Official: “Police state methods” used by gov’t to promote nuclear power (VIDEO)

Published: September 24th, 2013 at 1:54 pm ET


Title: Tatsuya Murakami, Mayor of Tokai-mura in Ibaraki Prefecture
Source: Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan
Date: Sept. 5, 2013

Tatsuya Murakami, Mayor of Tokai-mura

At 29:00 in

Tatsuya Murakami, Mayor of Tokai-mura in Ibaraki Prefecture: When I consider what has been done in the past, the national government has had the state policy of promoting nuclear power.

And the way that they have promoted nuclear power has been very similar to the way a kind of bad government would operate.

In other words, they have used sort of military, police state methods in order to promote nuclear power, and I’m not in favor of that kind of action at all.

But having said all of this, concerning the severity of this accident I think the state must step in.

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Published: September 24th, 2013 at 1:54 pm ET


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224 comments to Official: “Police state methods” used by gov’t to promote nuclear power (VIDEO)

  • nedlifromvermont

    Sadly, we are, all of us, Children of Goebbels.

    No different in the United States of Nuclear Fascism.

    That said, the State is morally bankrupt, the Emperor has no clothes, and our President is a thin buffoon.

    End Nuclear Power … was always a pack of lies.

    Not necessary. Not cheap. Not low carbon. Not good.

    peace …

    • bwoodfield bwoodfield

      The problem is that the nukers high paid lobbyist line the governments pockets. As long as the money flows from companies like GE into government officials pockets we're going to continue to see this over and over, with the same broken records playing in the background.

      "Nuclear power is safe", "We have complete control of the situation", "No immediate threat to the population"

    • ftlt

      Ned: Shocking the Nazi connections in the Nat. Security apparatus following WW2 and beyond..

      It is no mistake it seems like a fascist repressive country here = because it is

      • We Not They Finally

        Check out Project Paper Clip some time. The Nazi scientists got "paper-clipped" onto U.S. defense following WWII. Which then segued into The Cold War with barely a breather. Eisenhower tried to call foul over "the military industrial complex," but it got him and us nowhere.

        • ftlt

          We it was a lot more than just Nazi scientists.. Try many of the Abwehr, leader industrial and banking sectors got free ride too..

          The USA intelligence community, as one might expect, was freaked out anti-commie and very stiff armed themselves

    • Floppy Dumbo ear boy got more money from nuke and education than any other lobby. nuff said.

  • ftlt

    Japan is practicing Amerikan Freedom on its people now???

    They will have to build more jails and participate in more wars if they plan on catching up..

  • pkjn

    Radioactive Contamination Still Found In Drinking Water Across Japan
    September 23rd, 2013 SimplyInfo
    The reading for Tokyo for cesium 137 was higher than the reading for Fukushima City Fukushima. While these amounts are small, water is consumed in large quantities, added to and used in food and also for bathing. This makes small levels more of a concern than in food.

  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    If forever is longer than expected, then we "still" are fuked.

  • rockyourworld

    is it any different than governors collecting the names of anti frackers and reporting them to homeland security then leaking that they were reported?

  • rockyourworld

    big gas just wanted us to know our place!

  • rockyourworld

    know your place 99%, you're here to fund all the ponzi schemes!

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Don't count on our government to "help" stop the genocide. They are probably running tests to see how long it takes until we die. Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology: The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

    Read more:

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Everybody should read this, especially believers in (blind) patriotism, conspiracy theory dissers, and government must be do gooders. To be fair though, they might not have sprayed those innocent folks had they received enough petitions. …too sick to laugh

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        I hear you…my desperation, and looking for solutions has passed, along with my Aunt, Uncle who died of cancer, and my cousin who now has breast cancer… all from St. Louis.

        I will sit back and watch this play out, and see what Dr. Strangelove and his Fuk-ing insane bas*&ard buddies have in store for the world.

        • We Not They Finally

          St. Louis has more troubles these days, with the underground landfill fire edging closer to the huge nuclear waste dump. But it might have already gotten there! The radiation readings have sky-rocketed there, according to Michael Collins, who is quite knowledgable. He was adamant a few weeks back on the Jeff Rense show, that St. Louis had 108 times BACKGROUND (NOT 108 CPM!) But others can't seem to trace that down. They could be in serious trouble there, if anyone has accurate current info.

          I had especially wondered because an outfit called said that the CDC ordered 2.79 million doses of an anti-radiation drug (normally used for cancer patients in the wake of "treatment" by radiation) from a corp named Amgen. I thought that sounded like the population of St. Louis and sure enough, greater St. Louis has 2.79 million people! It seemed like a real "coincidence," but it also seems impossible right now to CONFIRM anything. Am hoping it's a false alarm. But St. Louis should be watched ANYWAY. It might turn into very bad news.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            Yes, St. Louis area has the fire and other major issues with infrastructure. My family settled in that area in 1789, and the remaining relatives who reside there are very concerned.

            They watch the radnet monitors, because no one is updating them of the dangers.

      • kez

        Code and NBOUSA:

        Post WW2 and Cold War era experiments are rather old news. They were horrible.

        But they occured in many war monger nations.

        I don't think anyone here is a "blind" patriot anymore. Some folks still believe in the people being able to effect change en masse .. and it has been demonstrated to work.

        You are most certainly entitled to voice your anti American opinions tho.

        How about applying for citizenship to Syria or Afganistan or Kenya?

        Or move to Australia, Canada or UK?

        Perhaps you would better express your hatred of the US govt by burning a few flags in the street? Or bombing some buildings. Or shooting up a workplace. Write a vitriolic manifesto on Facebook before you do.

        If you hate the US so much. .. leave.

        One of our most fundamental rights here is that we can speak up. That we can change our politics and have.

        There is no perfect society .. but if you hate this one so vehemently .. find a better one. Or continue to sit back in apathy and gripe .. because that will most certainly contribute to the problem ..

        And solve FUCKING nothing.


        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Look like some of the programming is breaking down…and Kez you are correct!

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Kez; Yes, well you might want to look around and see if the treasured "free speech" is still intact. When a government eavesdrops on every communication, that is not free speech.

          As far as other places to live, there are places more progressive than the US, believe it or not. Places with cheaper, and better medical care, places that are getting rid of nuclear power, & have better working conditions.

          You might want to look around…Kenya, Afghanistan, and Syria are not the only places there are to live.

          Remember, to make the most effective argument you need to know your audience. You don't know me, nor do you know what I am dealing with in my life, nor do you know what action I have taken.

          You are always very condescending & judgmental of everyone, so if you are such an expert, and we are just the ignorant masses, you handle it.

          Drop me a line when the nukes are gone.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Kez, you were right that war mongering countries do some pretty shady things, but then if people want to poke their fingers in everyone's shoulders around the world, under the intent of creating a New World Order, it will cost those same people a great deal of money and pain!

            When most people search for the "light of truth", they will often become very despondent about what they find. Do they have the right to be despondent, yes they do. Do they have the right to express themselves, yes they do. Blinders have to be removed before the light can be seen and people use different approaches to remove other people's blinders…

            With that said, when you think of the governing powers running this world right now, how would you describe those government operations over seeing their populations via actions/laws written? Lets look at just (4) each US, Russia, China and Japan. Are any of these entities corrupt and if so which ones and why?

            The purpose of looking for the "light of truth" is to correct the path any governing body or civilization takes/has taken in its current and past actions and in its intent.

            Not everyone wants or cares what the truth is and the truth seeker is a very rare breed in this world today, but the numbers are growing and that is a good thing. The fixes for what ails this world today are very simple, yet confusion purposefully rules the/our days.

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              Yes, Obe it is depressing see the truth. When the light of the fiery skull illuminates the world, the harsh light shines on all the dark crevices. The psyche pauses for a moment, unwilling to look, and longs for days of blissful ignorance, but ultimately gathers strength to proceed knowing the harsh light is the only way to evolve.

            • hbjon hbjon

              You are very wise Obewan, but you do realize that most people are too afraid to look really really close at a situation. Most people are content to know that an atom splits by some sort of hokus pokus and gives off a lot of fire stuff. Sadly, detailed explanations have gone the way of the buggy whips.

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Kez; FYI there are still experiments going on today. One example, the plume that came over the USA after 3/11 and the NRC found I-131 in milk and didn't tell the populace.

          I have the FOIA documents- it is an email between the inspectors and their supervisor. These great Americans allowed children to drink I-131 and did not report it because the states where they found it did not have a law requiring mandated reporting.

          We all have to use critical thinking and realize no government or corporation cares about us. We need to stick together; that is unless you want to use your energy defending a system who lets children be poisoned?

          • hbjon hbjon

            Is it not mandated by the US Constitution that government must protect the populace from foreign threats? Informing the people that Japan has attacked our food supply is part of the protection we pay for when they deduct tax payments from our checks. This was an accidental attack though. Does that change anything?

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              if engineers made a bad design and install of a hot water heater that blew and killed your wife and children, I think they would be culpable. Nuclear engineers are crazy by default or they would know better. Isnt that true? I dont know if they should be in jail or a psych ward.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              I would think that is the only premise/purpose of its creation in the first place..

          • please post on Youtube, and do creative commons license, let it go viral…

            post here..

        • RememberThis RememberThis

          I would GLADLY move out of here….if I wasnt so damned sick from being a fucking downwinder!!

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            I actually had to tell my older brother who battled prostate cancer and might have won that he should stay out of the rain.

            I told/asked him if he ever thought that in his lifetime that someone would warn him not to go out into/for a walk in the rain, which is his/has been one of God's given rights to life!

            To think that we as a species could do so much damage in such a short period of time to our own God Given Planet's environment by chasing money and greed around this world.

            Progress has come with an enormous prIce tag for all creatures/plants that share this Planet Earth with us! We may have reached the tipping point!

            • kez

              Sorry abt your brother Obe .. keep in mind for future perhaps ..

              Zyflamend and Curcumin-95.

              I realize that there are still some tigers sharpening their claws for my hide. I choose not to respond bc it's a futile argument .. and the board has raged enough for now yes?

              Thanks for being my friend. I like you too. I wish you always well .. no matter what side we take here in this debate. Sincerely.

              I know you are a good soul. Peace .. and find some rest .. and greater thoughts. I shall as well.

        • MichaelV MichaelV

          My family were activists; as a youthful participant I would seek redress of a number of grievances by the exercise of the right to freely and peacefully assemble.

          I vividly remember the bottles, broken bricks, stones and racial epithets that were hurled through the air.
          The shouts of, "N1@@3R…! If you don't like it here, then go back to Africa" made my blood run cold, but stiffened the resolve to see the movement through.

          This link has photographs of the Selma to Montgomery march, when they used police dogs and fire hoses on the demonstrators.

          Today that march route is a federal historical trail.

          As an undergraduate I witnessed police handcuff, pick up, and take to jail protestors who dared to block the gates of the Hanford reservation. I often wonder how getting arrested affected them and their families, what was the price they paid for standing against the forces who use the Columbia basin as a nuclear waste dumping ground. Those trucks are still rolling in from across the US.

          Kez, when you say like it or leave, we won't.

          We got our hands on the bloodstained banner, and we're going to hold on until the end.

          I'd like to know what you think of the photographs in the link.

          • kez

            MichaelV .. I am speechless. And tearful. And choked up.

            I can't even see my keyboard .. or breathe well.

            Thank you and (forbidden G word) bless you.

            PLEASE don't ever lose that spirit. PLEASE.

        • ftlt

          Kez: I am American. To say what you just said is outrageous..

          My country has been stolen. Improvements made in the mid 20th century are not all but lost now. 75% of Americans live without hope and that percentage is growing. And now they are being poisoned at every turn food-air-water for profit

          Your comments show you to be ignorant or not caring of what is happening around you.

          You live without a care about the real history of this country or the political realities.

          You want to just focus on FUFU – Well you cannot and not remain ignorant of the ugly truths that surround you FUFU is just one symptom.

          FUFU and its like (war. pollution, poverty etc) are murder – genocide – democide choose one or all – and these practices are endorsed, facilitated and protected by a runaway for profit for the few US govt run by fiscal outsiders.

          You must have it pretty good.. Smug an Comfy, to only have FUFU to worry about huh???

          You sound like a knee jerk patriot… Wave the flag and vote for Obama again as the better choice of 2 evils… Have some more kool aid, kiddo

          Can you please tell me the way to effect change here..

          The election process is fixed/bought off. The media is owned and ordered to tell lies or half truths.

          I'm running out of ideas?

          The USA govt is the problem. Not the solution.. It is now a police state that purpose is to repress the one time citizens of a great republic. The jails are full. What's next death camps?

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            I suspect kez is either a pro-Nuker, or a gov't agent working for Abe's gov't. I'll probably get attacked now. I wouldn't take any of kez's attacks personally, IMHO.

          • kez

            My Oh My .. I don't even know which Bear I poked to reply to.

            Summarizing my very consistent presence here .. like it or not ..

            Sitting here writing doom and gloom (and sometimes very fringe conspiracy laden ideology) posts that all is hopeless ..

            "They" (whomever .. illuminati et al) have WON. We are lost. We shall sit like frogs in the frying pan and wait until it gets hot enough to kill us ..

            But somehow any other action is forbidden because "they" have controlled our minds and tied our hands ..

            And I am accused of drinking the Kool Aid??

            Because I don't want to sit in the frying pan w you? Because I have advocated making phone calls and writing letters and signing petitions?

            My mind is not contrrolled by "them" .. my speech is not controlled by "them" .. and even if they spy on my damn phone and emails .. my actions are not controlled by "them" .. because I am not a damn terrorist or threat to my society .. or a criminal fugutive .. or a drug runner .. or a pornographer .. or whatever.

            For all the phones calls and emails and petitions I have signed The Men In Black have not come to whisk me away!

            Errr .. wait .. someone is knocking right now ..

            **Ms Kez .. come with us** You have violated the Ene covenant .. you have not lockstepped into hopelessness chaos and ..

            Whatever .. use your own imaginations ..

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              "they will often become very despondent about what they find. Do they have the right to be despondent, yes they do. Do they have the right to express themselves, yes they do."

              I rest my case..

              • kez

                Yes Obe .. they have that right.

                Thank God mankind has risen above the same despair and inaction in the past.

                Maybe not ever again tho eh?

                I will have a sip of the Kool Aid and instead of my usual "take care good souls" closing tag .. I shall say:


                RIP .. that should make y'all dance with glee here .. yes??

                RIP fair world .. all is lost .. all is done.

                Whoa .. RIP. Powerful. Very powerful words. Takes my breath away. Literally.

                RI fucking P.

                Happy now Eneusers?

                RIP Dead Souls.

                • mopar69 mopar69

                  Wow, this thread is…wow. After reading so many posts, comments, articles ans op ed pieces here, there is both hope eternal and utter despair.


                  • mopar69 mopar69

                    Damn fat fingers….

                    Anyway, I don't believe all is lost or all is saved. Where is the middle ground anymore…

                    In my experience, and leaning towards dark outcomes, I have noticed the "worst case" seldom occurs. Lots of hand wringing, fear, predictions etc. on the other hand there are the avoiders/deniers.

                    My philosophy is this: It's not the end of the world until the world ends.


            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Kez, your self assured belief in the government and politics, your safety and rights is exactly what my Argentinian wife was thinking,.. before she realized she worked a block from a detention center and her friends started to disappear because of anti government leanings.

              Was the radioactive gassing and injecting of your fellow citizens was so long ago and so easily written off as a symptom of the times? Yes, it was way back in the '40s, 50s and 60s, when men were of low morals, not like our enlightened age when we use proper torture technique on non convicted detainees, constant "peacekeeping" in several countries resulting in untold deaths and destruction, and a Nobel winner president who assures us there is nothing to fear from Fukushima, elimination of citizen rights, or transfer of funds from public to bankers.

              This is what you said to me;
              "Perhaps you would better express your hatred of the US govt by burning a few flags in the street? Or bombing some buildings. Or shooting up a workplace."

              Doesnt this brand me as a dangerous terrorist? Someone who should be indefinitely detained?. Perhaps someone here should alert the government that Kez is an activist, protesting against political wrongdoing. Indeed why is it that YOU dont go shoot up a workplace? All those innocent children Kez, and you with an angry activist bent, just ready to snap

          • bo bo

            Women used to wear red lipstick and miniskirts in afghanistan in the 60s.. i heard there was a democratic, peaceful nation before the americans came in and ruined it.

            I'm not a historian (starting to learn only recently) but my impression is that the US to some degree artificially creates the realities in countries around the world to match this myth : 'you can whine all you want but you have it pretty good here in the states you know, out there in the old world there is no freedom!'

            (Which is the gist of what kez is saying to code in the above post, I believe)

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              Even Ronnie Reagan.. we purposely are ruining the Middle East..

              Reagan " The Shah of Iran Was Our Best Ally "


              The US marching about like the school yard bully..making enemies out of allies.

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                PS. Much of the same could be said of Assad of Syria.
                Did he use chemical weapons?
                I doubt it…
                Most likely the their behalf.
                As it usually is.

                Palestine and perhaps Lebanon ..are going to be left for Israel… to be picked to death.
                And believe you me…sights will someday be on Jordan…ETC.

                • bo bo

                  Yes I'm only scratching the surface compared to some of you here, but comments like 'then why don't you go live in Syria or afghanistan' as a way to 'put things in perspective' how 'things could be much worse than US' – aggravate me.

                  Didn't things get much worse in many such countries BECAUSE of the US?

                  'Things could be much worse outside the US' line of talk… is more like a self realizing prophecy.

      • kez

        As an aside Code .. if you did choose to make your point abt the horrors of the US govt .. and write a manifesto and try to go "death by cop" ..

        You would receive *international* attention via 24 hour news cycle.

        HUGE coverage compared to these ENE posts.

        *Much* more effective than those pesky petitions!!

        /sarc off unless someone is enough of an idiot to think I am serious ..

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Kez, you imposed the hate theme, I didnt say that. Blind patriotism comes to my mind because since 9-11 I saw so much flag waving, which reminded me of Nazi patriotism, and this transferred to themes regarding government response to radiation too. People, even family, branded me a conspiracy theorist, in the negative sense, because they refused to believe the government or Obama would downplay or cover up a Fukushima event. I dont hate the U.S. or different races etc. for some reason you attach those ideas to my posts independent of my intent. The activism thing remains an issue because if we really want to make a change, finding the right way is important, not just blind faith in the system. I say boycott. Somehow I dont think you really looked into how many millions have protested, and to what avail? Why put me down? My points have some merit

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            CS, IMHO, kez is deliberately trying to get people off and is making up one provocation after another. Could be several motives, but none, IMHO, good.

            • Jebus Jebus

              Now come on anne, kez is very sincere here, remember he/she has experience being an anti-nuclear activist having a significant other who was fiercely active in the movement and having played everyone here…
              /sarc off unless someone here is serious enough to think kez is an idiot…

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              anne, interesting thought. But if you read this sarcasm piece; " if you did choose to make your point abt the horrors of the US govt .. and write a manifesto and try to go "death by cop" …" It says to me two things; one she works with juveniles and its rubbing off a little, and two, she has some anger issues eeking out which, considering she suffered the loss of her beloved husband to cancer, is not surprising. I notice that many here have lost a dear one to cancer or suffer through it themselves, …

              so for now Im sticking to the love and gratitude

            • NoNukes NoNukes


              You mean to say that there are gov't and corporate/nuclear employees having conversations with themselves and others on this website under multiple different screen names, attempting to shape and direct responses, as well as slide threads into fights over religion, politics, food, and various hot-button topics?

              • NoNukes NoNukes

                How many different screen names would a writer have to use if they got paid by the post, or wanted to appear to be a crowd?

                • kez

                  Dunno .. don't care.

                  Admin would have tossed me off if I was writing under multiple nicks.

                  But since you and Anne and all are so repulsed by my messages and intent ..

                  Let me again wish you what you crave so desperately and apparently hate so much from me.

                  RIP .. all is done .. RIP dead souls.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                I think intelligence agencies are all over the blogs. And there are psychological studies on-going.

                The Best Kept Secret in America

                Also, it has been reported that the Japanese gov't specifically hired bloggers to counter criticism of Fukushima Daiichi.

                Also the gov't has software that a single person can take on many personas for blogging.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                “..It is this sloppy reporting that leads the Japanese government to feel it needs a way to counteract the rumors and lies spread on the Internet. I can understand the government’s wish, but not its actual strategy of wasting funds on a futile campaign to hire commenters and bloggers to refute what they judge to be “irresponsible” reporting….”

                • Anthony Anthony

                  Sloppy reporting is when people are not informed honestly and fully when they are in danger of radiation contamination. From another country or their own. THAT'S sloppy reporting!

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                Persona Management Software: A little birdie created your opinion
                “…This software — Fox News reports the federal government is offering contracts for the development of persona management software, but the HB Gary documents make it seem that it already exists — could be used to generate fake online identities, complete with Facebook, Twitter and Linked In accounts, subscriptions to RSS feeds and automated abilities to contribute content like retweets and status updates, everything that makes a fake person essentially indistinguishable from a real person online. A single operator can manage up to 10 personas, so a team of five can deploy 50 people on the Web….”

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Im shocked! no, this cant be, not our government

            • dharmasyd dharmasyd

              Anne: Please drop the 'H' from your IMHO. Your opinion has never sounded humble to me, IMO

              I have to say though, that once you dropped hammering your religious reasons for being irreproachable, you have been a lot more pleasant. And I congratulate you for doing so much research and supplying so many good links. But there is more than just that. I only ask thazt you soften a bit around the edges. You've made great progress. Keep going. See my comment on the current top feature, "Tokyo Professor…"

              • Jebus Jebus

                dharmasyd, IMHO can mean "in my honest opinion"…

                It is better to look at the good that those who stand with us are trying to do than to analyze how they have come to the conclusion that nuclear power has to go…

                There are others here that have not left evidence of their anti-nuclear mantra.

                I am detecting an overall heightened intensity of frustration on this site and it seems to be spilling over towards those who stand among us with the truth in their hearts.

                It is not hard to detect those who despise our mantra of no more nukes and efforts should be directed towards them to illuminate their souls with the truth…


                • dharmasyd dharmasyd

                  Jebus…Surely IMHO can stand for IM Honest O! I've not been aware of that usage until now, however.

                  I just Honestly believe that the evolution in which we are engaged is much larger than 'merely' getting rid of nuclear weapons.

                  So long as we live in a mode of being "Number One," "King of the Mountain," of being Dominant, Superior, Better than all else, …..
                  …we will not grow nor evolve to the next, mandated level, IMHO!

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                  dharmasyd is pro-Nuke.

                • dharmasyd dharmasyd

                  Jebus. See Anne's JUDGEMENT of me 2 down. She says I'm "Pro Nuke!" She does good research, but the rationality is a tad tea-partyish.
                  Night all.

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    @dharmasyd, does anyone really know who is and who is not?
                    I did not comment on that because you have left evidence you are not and anne has left the same evidence.
                    My concern is the injection of personal beliefs in things that no one on this planet has empherical proof of being true.

                    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

                      Fair enough Jebus. I ask only a tiny degree of poetic license with language. I use "god" (usually lower case) or "god-like") only because language fails in this dimension.
                      Personally, I am an agnostic. For me, there is no proof of anything on this level. In my comments, I am not referring to any god in which I personally believe. Maybe I'll start calling it "Great Spirit," but I don't think that will help much.

                      I do, however, 'believe' in evolution. To me, evolution has been scientifically proved. And I do feel, although this is only an hypothesis, that nuclear energy is involved in our evolution.

                      I thank you for allowing me to exchange back and forth with you. Unfortunately, I have never found this to be possible with Anne.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Well this will be a great test for Evilution vs de-Evilution.

                      We must all be patient since the cards have been played and the smart ones are already on the move..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      nuclear is involved in our extinction, not evolution. But fear not, when the arrow of time is looked at differently, its all rosy

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Poetic license? Your speaking to the choir, lol… (PI)

                      Great spirit, I like that. I feel that.
                      Evolution? Renewal of life with time never stops, with or without man. It is the only way it can work. It translates up to renewal of everything, with time that never stops. Theres bound to be changes.
                      Time is the constant that allows any combination of existance to be true, eventually…

                      Of course nuclear energy is involved in our evolution as we are stardust, just arranged a different way.
                      Mankinds current iteration of nuclear power on earth is an epic failure given the current constraints of his physical environment that protects his very existance from that same nuclear power…
                      Mankind must build his own successful shield off world, before he can harness that power to evolve and promote his own survival elsewhere. This world is only a nest from which to depart from. This is not mans ship, it belongs to all the creatures that live here without escape. Only man can escape if he so chooses, otherwise he must live here without that nuclear power and utilize the power that rains freely down upon him.
                      There is nothing spiritual about that, it is a fact of life…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Jebus criminy, have you been talking to aftershock? Man can leave spaceship earth if he chooses? Like an eye can leave its socket I reckon…it can be done. BTW, Einstein might disagree that time is the constant. Time; the Achilles heal to all philosophical constructs

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      You missed the part about the successfull shield…

                      Otherwise with nuclear power on Earth, he is fucking up the current successfull shield for all known life. Space is a harsh biatch…

                      Man has not been around long enough to judge time…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      high time he learns about timelessness. seriously, the only thing about the dream of leaving the planet that twirqs me ever so slightly is that it gives false hope as a solution to earthly problems. But I would take a UFO ride any day! ….taken their sweet time…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Were not talking about immediate tomorrow…
                      We did not get to be 8 billion individuals by being timid and shy.
                      The future is to discover somewhere else that has a natural shield to promote survival. We are the only life form here that has that potential. Thats well off into the future. In the meantime, unless "they" show up and show us how, we need to be rid of nuclear power on this ship, for our own survival and for all other known life forms. Be a shame that we sink this ship before getting that chance to explore the neighborhood…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    yeah, but…your posts were a tad nuke apologetic, tainted with a little quasi new age pre-pious rationale which placed blame on mans primitive emotional development; not a very well worked out thesis. I mean, can we really say for sure its our dharma to raise our consciousness so we can live and work with nuclear power? hahaha, just joking

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      my post was meant for Dharmasyds enjoyment, prior to Jebus's empherical ephemerisms

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      I'll stop, dogma can have two extremes…

                      sorry Sam…

                    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

                      Yes, CodeSh…That's the direction I'm leaning. At this point, it can only be an hypothesis and sill remain that until it is either disproven or seems to develop some validity. Since Einstein said, "With the splitting of the atom, everything has changed save man's way of thinking…" maybe it would be good to take off from that point and try to change man's way of thinking.

                      To me, that appears to be indicated. I'm glad you find Anne's posts valuable. They are.

                      I just don't think we can put the toothpaste back in the tube. I believe it behooves us to try to find a way to live with what we have.

                      This is all I was trying to say. How do we eliminate nuclear energy? I just don't think that is possible, and that we might improve our chances by realing we can't put them back in the tube, and learn to live with them, possibly by raising our moral, ethical consciousness to become a little kinder, accepting, compassionate, a little more "our brothers' keepers," a little more 'god-like.'

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      dharma, of course I can follow your thoughts; a noble effort. In the end, even when mankind is reduced to radioactive dust, its widely acknowledged that Truth with a capitol T lies beyond the limits of intellect and even 'mind'.
                      I just dont like to see the suffering, but then Im real limited in that way

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                anne has the most beautiful posts here for my taste

            • kez

              My oh My .. Anne this is like the 30th time you have accused me of being a Japanese pro nuke spy here.

              Or Richard .. I had forgotten that one.

              I may tangle w the extremists ideas but I can assure you I am not a govt spy .. I don't like nuclear .. I don't like the petrofuel destruction either.

              I believe solutions must be found in the moderate and compromise .. no one side has the answer.

              But BTW ..


              Watch out for the slow moving scoops.

              Take care good souls.

              • Haven't encountered you before (that I am aware of), kez. If you're fairly new to the conversations, it would probably help to do a little observant analysis of the personas present before trying to shake certain mindsets. It could be that they actually need the 'disaster porn' hyperbole to fill some innate need. If you're looking for boots-on-the-ground activism, this probably isn't the best recruiting forum.

                ENENews is a valuable aggregator of timely news useful to boots-on-the-ground. I use it regularly, often skip the comments altogether. But when I do engage – usually to explain a technicality that's not being understood, or to reassure people that Fukushima isn't an 'ELE', it seems to be received pretty well.

                As for our energy future, those decisions are not ours to make. But the people making those decisions (utilities, holding companies, manufacturing/engineering concerns like GEand Siemens) Wall Street, et al.) are moving very strongly away from nukes. Everyone who isn't the industry itself understands what Greg Zaczko has been saying – the technology is fatally flawed, cannot be allowed to continue. Our energy future is elsewhere. Dealing with the leftover mess is just… karma.

                • norbu norbu

                  joyB, you said "But when I do engage – usually to explain a technicality that's not being understood, or to reassure people that Fukushima isn't an 'ELE'" how do you know Fukusmokeysteam is not a ELE?

                  • norbu norbu

                    JoyB, also I choose my own energy path. That decision is mine to make, not the Gov or corp. Nuclear energy will be around for millions of years, there is no way to get rid of it in a hurry.

                  • Fukushima is not going to make humans extinct, that's why it's not an ELE (for us, and we're the only ones who care). Humans will not go extinct until we are rendered universally sterile, or everyone dies before puberty. Though if we do hang around long enough, we may evolve into something other than human-as-we-know-'em.

                    Not being an ELE doesn't mean it's good for us, or anywhere close to benign. There will be much damage done, likely millions of lives shortened. Though we'd never be able to pin that on Fukushima, given the sheer volume of other toxins and carcinogens we've trashed our planet with.

                    If you happen to be one of the unlucky ones, it's not going to be much comfort to know humans will keep going without you. But that's something we'll all face sooner or later, life is still a 100% fatal condition in all generations.

                    For an ELE, I'd look to the skies. It's more likely to come from there, one way or another.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Yes, JoyB it appears to be about what is usually a taught mind set.. 🙂

                • kez

                  Hi JoyB .. yes .. thank you for the note .. nice to hear from you.

                  Typed more and just backspaced it all out.

                  Old dog .. new trick. Sincerely appreciate it. 🙂

                  Take care and peace.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  JoyB, while you are quelling fears Fukushima is an ELE event, maybe you have technical details on how Fukushima compares to the atmospheric bomb testing. seems like a good comparative benchmark. I think Busby estimated 60 million deaths from that era, pretty high numbers I hadnt heard before. Thanks

                  • There are no reliable figures for the amount of fission products produced (and fallen out) by all atmospheric and ocean bomb testing, even the '61-'63 period (when it was at its worst). Monitoring was scattered and the technology primitive, but it was enough that both we and the Soviets were moved to enter a hard ban. I have heard that dose levels in mud puddles in scattered areas after a rain during that period were as high as 10R/hr. Lots of people died. It's not blamed on that of course, but it was known – that's what motivated the ban.

                    I've seen figures for Chernobyl as equivalent to anything between 10 and 100 megatons' worth. I'd lean toward the high end of that, but only because I know what coverup artists nukes have always been. Airborne cesium from Fukushima is at least three times that, other isotopes equivalent. There are a number of relatively small and large nuclear reactor cores on the bottom of earth's seas as well. The oceans were for quite awhile the preferred "out of sight out of mind" catch-all for nuclear waste and oopses.

                    We've crapped ourselves up rather badly. Fukushima will eventually end Japan like Chernobyl ended the Soviet Union – The Powers That Be understand perfectly well at this point that this technology isn't worth the gamble, for any nation or alliance. The end of humanity's nuclear tango is upon us. If nobody uses their stockpiles, that is.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      JoyB, thanks. Im still curious though, because you specifically mention to Kez and the rest that many posters exaggerate the magnitude of the Fukushima disaster. So, throw out a number, and we wont hold you to it! We have an estimate that Chernobyl killed a million and ruined five times as many. Now we have three Chernobyls, possibly tons of Uranium and Plutonium blown up with the works, and Tokyo area with 30 million. Would you estimate that one or two will die, thousands, tens of thousands, or do you put it at several millions who will die as a consequence of Fukushima? Wild guesses are acceptable. Then there is the tipping point question. I roughly estimate that animals up the food chain all across the Pacific will have serious doses due to accumulation. Enough to cause life threatening disease. So if the Pacific balance is ruined, as if thats not enough of a tragedy, what effect will that have on land animals? I think you can answer this because you have a confidence in your position, which suggests that posters have over estimated the seriousness by a significant amount. Thanks

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Ahh, but don't just limit the overestimation to the posters on this site.
                      Any answer, in context, from anyone, has to consider evidence of the severity of Fukushima, that takes into account, even more than the ENENews website…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Jebus, please reiterate, I didnt get it

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      "I think you can answer this because you have a confidence in your position, which suggests that posters have over estimated the seriousness by a significant amount. Thanks"

                      The question was posed, but the answer has to include the evidence from much more than the posters at ENENews.

                    • My expertise is not psychic prognostication. You say there is an estimate that "Chernobyl killed a million," but there is no way to objectively establish that. Besides, it's been less than 30 years. It ain't over yet.

                      Death certificates don't say what caused the heart condition or immune dysfunction or cancer. They simply indicate the proximate cause of death. And that's not all that accurate most of the time either, and not everyone who lives and dies is recorded.

                      Radiation is just another contributing cause over time. The whole equation is about time. Our nuclear crap (and nature's) is a contributor to the existential dangers all humans face in their time on planet earth. But nobody who dies more than 90 days after exposure is ever going to have their death blamed on that exposure. That's the recordkeeping 'rules' that humans have made for themselves and their nukes. Because… hubris.

                      In the ~150 years that encompass the bulk of 'premature' deaths from any given exposure event, every single human in at least 2 of the generations existing in that time will have died. All of them. Guessing final causation is some future statistician's historical thesis, nothing more. We all die in the end.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      We’ve Passed A Red Line – A Conversation with Alexey Yablokov (VIDEO)
                      “…In the interview, he notes the vast amount of chemicals and radionuclides that have permeated the environment since the 1950s, and he attributes that to the “disappearance” of a staggering amount of people from the world population today. (Watch the video for the actual number) …”
                      See more at:

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Alison Rosamund Katz
                      “In February 2010, the New York Academy of Sciences published the most
                      complete and up-to-date collection of evidence, from independent, scientific
                      sources all over the world, on the health and environmental consequences
                      of the Chernobyl accident. For 24 years, through a high-level, internationally
                      coordinated cover-up of the world’s most serious industrial accident, the
                      nuclear lobby has deprived the world of a unique and critically important
                      source of scientific information. The International Atomic Energy Agency
                      (IAEA), mouthpiece of the nuclear establishment, has coordinated the
                      cover-up through the dissemination and imposition of crude pseudo-science.
                      Regrettably, the World Health Organization, a U.N. agency on which the
                      world’s people rely for guidance, is subordinate to the IAEA in matters of
                      radiation and health, has participated in the cover-up, and stands accused of
                      non-assistance to populations in danger. The new book on Chernobyl makes
                      available huge amounts of evidence from independent studies undertaken in
                      the affected countries, unique and valuable data that have been ignored by
                      the international health establishment. This comprehensive account of the full
                      dimensions of the catastrophe reveals the shameful inadequacy of current
                      international assistance to the affected populations.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      It also demonstrates,
                      once more, that future energy options cannot include nuclear power.
                      With the cover-up of the health and environmental consequences of the Chernobyl
                      accident, the nuclear establishment—which includes, most notably, the nuclear
                      powers and therefore the leaders of the Western world—has deprived the world’s
                      people of a unique and critically important source of scientific information. It is
                      part of a general cover-up that serves the nuclear industry, both civil and military,
                      and has done so for more than 50 years. Above all, it serves the geopolitical
                      ambitions of a handful of nations, 1 allowing them to maintain a position of
                      overwhelming power in the world—itself the major source of global insecurity
                      and violence. The cover-up has disserved humanity and all other life forms and
                      has damaged their life-support system—the environment—for tens of thousands
                      of years and their genetic inheritance, irrevocably.
                      “There could be no clearer illustration of the nihilism of unfettered power.
                      As the unknown author of ‘Abyss’ pointed out, as early as August 1986, in
                      relation to the cover-up: ‘the demand for life has now become a revolutionary
                      programme; . . . carried farther and farther into madness by the necessities of
                      their dominance, those social forces which would once have been described as
                      conservative are no longer concerned even with the conservation of the biological
                      bases for the survival of the species’ (1, emphasis added)….”

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Biological consequences of Chernobyl: 20 years on
                      Anders Pape Møller and Timothy A. Mousseau
                      “The disaster at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1986 released 80 petabecquerel of radioactive caesium, strontium, plutonium and other radioactive isotopes into the atmosphere, polluting 200 000 km ^2 of land in Europe. As we discuss here, several studies have since
                      shown associations between high and low levels of radiation and the abundance, distribution, life history and mutation rates of plants and animals. However, this research is the consequence of investment by a few individuals rather than a concerted research effort by the
                      international community, despite the fact that the effects of the disaster are continent-wide. A coordinated international research effort is therefore needed to further investigate the effects of the disaster, knowledge that could be beneficial if there are further nuclear accidents, including the threat of a ‘dirty bomb’.
                      “One of the four nuclear reactors of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded on 26 April 1986 as a consequence of human errors owing to a temporary shutdown of the
                      cooling system. The explosion transported vast amounts of radioactive material into the atmosphere, much of which was subsequently deposited not only in the immediate
                      vicinity of the power plant in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, but also over large parts of Europe and other continents (Figure 1).

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      ). On this, the 20th anniversary of the worst environmental nuclear disaster in history, there is still much disagreement among government agencies,
                      health professionals and scientists over the long-term effects of low-level nuclear contaminants. The official UN position [1] suggests that the consequences to human health are much lower than expected, the park-like appearance of the 2044.4 km ^2 Chernobyl exclusion zone,
                      with large mammals appearing to be increasing in numbers, suggests an ecosystem on the rebound. However, the UN report, and interpretations of it in the popular and scientific press (e.g. [2,3]), has generated an optimism that might be unfounded. Here, we discuss the information available concerningthe effects of the Chernobyl disaster on wild plant and
                      animal populations, and also humans. It is our hope that this information will serve as a foundation for future studies investigating the long-term ecological and evolutionary repercussions of chronic exposure to low-level radioactive contaminants (low-level radiation has been defined as the dose below which it is not possible to detect adverse health effects, typically 1–20 rads). Given that the effects of the disaster were felt on a continent-wide scale
                      but that research has generally been the result of investment by a few individuals, we also call for a coordinated international research effort to further investigate the environmental outcomes of the disaster.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      “A brief history of the Chernobyl event
                      “On 26 April 1986, during a test of the ability of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant to generate power while undergoing an unplanned shutdown, safety systems were turned off, leading to an explosion and nuclear fire that burned for ten days, releasing between 9.35
                      ! 10^3 peta-becquerel (PBq) and 1.25 ! 10^4 PBq of radionuclides into the atmosphere (by contrast, the Three Mile accident inPennsylvania, USA on 27 March 1979 released just 0.5 terabecquerel). Although many of these radionuclides either dissipated or decayed within days (e.g. 131 Iodine), 137 Caesium (137Cs) still persists in the environment even hundreds of kilometres from Chernobyl. Likewise, 90 Strontium (90Sr) and 239 Plutonium (239Pu) isotopes are common within the exclusion zone. Given the 30, 29 and 24 000 yr half-lives of 137 Cs, 90 Sr and 239 Pu, respectively, these contaminants are likely to be of significance for many years to come.
                      Physiological and genetic effects of radiation
                      “Immediately following the accident at Chernobyl, humans exposed to high-level radiation suffered from acute radiation sickness, including dizziness, vomiting and
                      Fatigue [1] . The long-term physiological effects of immediate and later exposure have also shown changes in levels of antioxidants, immunity and hormones.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Most of the long-
                      term consequences of the Chernobyl disaster stem from the inhalation and ingestion of radionuclides generated by the explosion and nuclear fire (Box 1), in contrast to the
                      effects that result from direct exposure to radiation from a nuclear blast. The genetic consequences of radiation exposure will depend on the received dose, dose rate and
                      other indirect effects (Box 1). …”

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                  JoyB, Tnanks for being so insulting. I refer to your statement: "It could be that they actually need the 'disaster porn' hyperbole to fill some innate need."

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    I am being sarcastic when I say thanks. Calling names doesn't lessen the fact that 85 Chernobyls on top of all the accumulated radiation from testing, nuclear accidents, and nuclear waste is going to kill many, if not all people. Certainly it is already destroying the human genome which will result in more genetic diseases and mutations with every generation. And studies have also shown that radiation lowers human IQ.

                    • It's a good thing that treatments have been developed for cancer, and that some forms of cancer have impressive survival rates these days (though 5 years is questionable as both 'impressive' and 'survival'). Others don't – heck, Steve Jobs even bought himself a transplant and couldn't beat pancreatic cancer.

                      It's not a pleasant way to go, with or without treatment. But some of the treatments today are themselves so torturous I'd certainly be reluctant to spend everything I had on them. A choice if you're lucky enough to have a choice. Billions are still in the same boat I was, where vanishingly rare spontaneous remission is the best they can hope for.

                      Still, there's no shortage of humans making a mess of this planet. Strange that a critter so mean and so fragile should be evolution's Great Success Story, isn't it?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      JoyB, so I think I get it; Billions of people are in the same boat you were, where vanishingly rare spontaneous cancer remission is the best they can hope for, but a review of the psychology types posting on ENEnews indicates they have a perverted need to blow the severity of nuclear accidents way out of proportion.

                      Since we're all going to die anyway, and since exact facts of increased mortality are hard to come by, its clear that dangers from Fukushima are overstated for the purpose of morose titillation. Gotcha

                  • 'Disaster porn' is the compelling ELE narrative seen so much in these parts, the "woe is me, we're all going to die!" thing. Some people seem to need to indulge, I personally find it pointless and depressing. As well as not true for this particular event. Now, if it's an incoming comet we can't avoid there might be something to it, but I'd have other things to do with the rest of my time than moan and groan on the inter-toobs about it.

                    Jaczko's right that there's no way to control what's happening at Fukushima. There was never a way to prevent or control it, once the damned facility was built and put on-line. Mitigation is the best we can hope for now, and there are some things that could be done on that. But they won't be done, I think that's entirely clear at this point.

                    That's a shame nukes start to finish are a shame. If there's one thing humans are good at, it's doing shameful things.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      That was slick, nice work…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Porn is porn and both are pretty exciting especially for men..

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      People have concern for the lives of other people and are appalled that there is not a complete ban on nuclear technology and an immediate closing down of all nuclear power plants. What you call 'disaster porn' is an accurate reporting of this disaster and a hope for the lives of all the children in the world now and in the future. To minimize this disaster is to render the future nil for all the children of the world.

                      Your so-called 'disaster porn' is not 'woe is me'. It is a call to wake up and completely halt and decommission all nuclear reactors. If this doesn't happen immediately all across the world the ELE has already started. We can only hope that the tipping point hasn't already been reached. But because all nuclear reactors are not being shut down immediately and nuclear technology universally shunned, there is completely evidence that radiation has completely destroyed the reasoning power of many people, including, sadly, those in power. We are being destroyed by a nuclear mafia that is extremely stupid with no discernible human intelligence.

                      Your so-called 'disaster porn' is reporting that is the last chance to save the world. It reminds me of "Pandora's Promise." Using words for propaganda to destroy the truth.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      JB might have said it well, but annes posts were sterling. Like when snow is coming and your axe hits squarely, splitting the log, you hear that cracking thud. The stark poetry of sincerity

                    • Anne, I have spent nearly 35 years of my life trying very hard to sound the alarm. We got Chernobyl and Fukushima and god only knows how many burps, sputters and dumps in that time anyway. We here are preaching to the choir of people who already know the score, and care so much they spend their time trying to sound the alarm.

                      I learned something valuable for all the costs of my years of trying – and the dear lives it cost…

                      You can't make people care about what they don't want to know.

                      By rights ALL nukes should have been permanently shut down two and a half years ago, immediate steps taken worldwide to begin cleaning up the mess. That is not where we are, is it? Do you really believe the number of frustrated tears you shed here will make them care?

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Endless Fukushima catastrophe: Many generations’ health at stake
                    Dr Helen Caldicott l RT September 13, 2013
                    “…Bio-accumulation of radioactive elements around Fukushima will devastate many future Japanese generations, while the Pacific Ocean is also being contaminated by leaking radioactive water. Yet there is still no good solution from the Japanese government.
                    “As I watched the tsunami power into the reactor complex at Fukushima on March 11, 2011, I realized the world would never be the same again. …”

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Unsafe at Any Dose
                    By HELEN CALDICOTT
                    Published: April 30, 2011
                    “…However, doctors know that there is no such thing as a safe dose of radiation, and that radiation is cumulative. The mutations caused in cells by this radiation are generally deleterious. We all carry several hundred genes for disease: cystic fibrosis, diabetes, phenylketonuria, muscular dystrophy. There are now more than 2,600 genetic diseases on record, any one of which may be caused by a radiation-induced mutation, and many of which we’re bound to see more of, because we are artificially increasing background levels of radiation….”

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Endless Fukushima catastrophe: 2020 Olympics under contamination threat
                    Dr Helen Caldicott l RT 15 September, 2013
                    “Scientific estimates predict that the radioactive plume travelling east across the Pacific will likely hit the shores of Oregon, Washington State and Canada early next year. California will probably be impacted later that year. Because the ongoing flow of water from the reactor site will be virtually impossible to stop, a radioactive plume will continue to migrate across the Pacific affecting Hawaii, North America, South America and eventually Australia for many decades.
                    “We are only talking about ocean currents, however, fish swim thousands of miles and don’t necessarily follow the currents. As noted in Part I, big fish concentrate radiation most efficiently, and tuna have already been caught off the coast of California containing cesium from Fukushima. Seaweed also efficiently concentrates radioactive elements.
                    As I contemplate the future at Fukushima, it seems that the escape of radiation is virtually unstoppable. The levels of radiation in buildings 1, 2 and 3 are now so high that no human can enter or get close to the molten cores. It will therefore be impossible to remove these cores for hundreds of years if ever….”

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                  JoyB, Jaczko is in favor of new smaller nuclear power plants. And you also in favor of newer nuclear technology?

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    correction: are you also

                    • No, I'm not. Nor are they an economical means of producing electricity even if they could be demonstrated never to melt or explode. Who needs 'em?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      TY, Joy. I'm glad to hear that. I think people are so outraged that so many people will be suffering because of Fukushima. I've been crying over my family and friends since the Santa Susanna reactor meltdown in 1959. Also, we visited Idaho after the meltdown there. And my father once took us to Nevada so he could view an atomic bomb test. He worked for Rocketdyne in the space program testing rocket fuel at the Santa Susanna Lab.

                      When your child gets cancer because of radiation and nuclear accidents it is impossible to remain silent.

                    • I was diagnosed with leukemia when I was 7. Back when mud puddles were reading 10R/hr, and I was an incurable mud puddle splasher. Next door neighbor lady had cancer of another kind. They took me out of school and I was bored to tears, nobody to talk to. So neighbor lady, who was a painter, gave me art lessons when she felt well enough.

                      We talked about it (since nobody else would). Made a deal that whichever of us died first would plead the other's case. She died, nobody talked about that either (as if a hearse in the driveway wasn't something to notice). I was absolutely confident that I'd get well, and I did. There were no treatments then, but it did sometimes happen. I believed I knew why, but nobody asked.

                      I understand the angst. There's so much to be angsty about these days, nukes are just another one. I try to pay more attention to life than death, because I think it's life that counts. Some people get more time, some get less. But all lives are complete (in my view). I have lost a child, so I do know from some sorrow and great anger. I still believe life is worth living.

                      Every generation has its dragons to slay. It's the nature of the exercise of living. An adventure, and adventures always come with some dark shadows and struggle. Tread lightly on the earth, leave it better than you found it. Just a way of looking at things, because I'm still here to see.

                      Life is absurd. Might as well laugh at it when we can.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Survival rates for childhood leukemias
                      “With acute leukemias, children who are free of the disease after 5 years are very likely to have been cured, because it very rare for these cancers to return after such a period of time….
                      “The 5-year survival rate for children with ALL has greatly increased over time and is now more than 85% overall….”

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      "Overall Survival Rates by Lung Cancer Type
                      • Small Cell Lung Cancer – The overall 5-year survival rate for small cell lung cancer (limited and extensive) is only about 6%.
                      • Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer – The overall 5-year survival rate for non-small cell lung cancer (all stages combined) is roughly 15%…."

                      "…But only a small number of liver cancers are found in the early stages and can be removed with surgery. For all stages combined, the relative 5-year survival rate from liver cancer is about 15%…."

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Review of The Plutonium Files: America's Secret Medical Experiments in the Cold War
                      “…General Groves considered the potential of personal injury lawsuits as the most serious threat to the nuclear program. A secret AEC document, dated April 17, 1947, warned young radiologists, ‘It is desired that no document be released which refers to experiments with humans that might have an adverse effect on public opinion or result in legal suits. Documents covering such field work should be classified “Secret."’…
                      “In one of the most important books of the past century, The Plutonium Files emphasizes that AEC scientists deliberately ‘downplayed the amount of radioactive pollution emanating from the bomb factories and the health risks of fallout, reasoning that a few extra leukemias, bone cancers, or genetic mutations were an unfortunate but unavoidable side effect in the struggle against communism.’…”

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Another review of this book:
                      “…These brilliant scientists have not only poisoned the chromosomes of untold families, cities, and possibly the whole world, but they have very possibly given our Mother Earth a cancer from which we humans shall suffer, and are suffering. But not to worry. The Earth's disease has a half-life of only 24,000 years….”

                    • Wreedles Wreedles

                      "I believed I knew why, but nobody asked."

                      I'll bite. Why?

                    • When I was 7 it was entirely self-evident to me that I lived because Mrs. Edwards was successful in pleading my case to the Powers That Be on the other side of the veil.

                      'Miracles' still happen here and there in our world, though the modern mindset automatically dismisses them. Occasionally you'll see grand debates out there on the 'net somewhere pitting an ever so rational sci-type naysayer against an ever so passionate an experiencer, as if simply by denying the empirical experience of another person, their experience magically becomes hallucination.

                      Looks like magical thinking either way, doesn't it?

                      In my later adult years I've come to strongly suspect that the 'miracle' of spontaneous remission is a quantifiable (if they bothered) and very specific gene expression suite that somehow turns 'on'. To the point where someone literally on their death bed wakes up one morning, gets dressed and goes on home, no physiological reminders of the disease remaining in them anywhere. Imagine what "Spontaneous Remission In A Bottle" would be worth in this world, as they close in on isolating expression triggers and quantifying suites.

                      Spontaneous remission was rare back then. It's even rarer now that there are agressive (and body-wracking) treatments like just sub-lethal radiation and toxic chemical stews. "If we don't kill you first, we might kill the cancer!"

                      Humans' approach to life is ass-backwards sometimes.

    • Sixela Sixela

      This program has now been upgraded to "Geoengineering". Hello Chemtrails!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    code..just for you and this technology was perfected in the early 90's, well before 2001 and they are now reveling it to the entire world. The Zeitgeist Matrix always needs a cool down period..

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      thanks Obe. How rich or dumb do you have to be to use a perfectly good fifteen million dollar jet for target practice? Rich enough to buy them in the first place, and dumb enough to intimidate and bully the world with em

      look at those sincere and friendly faces though. Oh pity the children, fleeced by their war lords into believing they kill for the good

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        There is no way a human took those planes on those flight paths in 2001…

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          obe, when millions and billions are at your disposal, mindboggling algorithms will be written. We dont know half of the robotic death machines they are working on.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    oops.. revealing.. but in this particular case they might be the same.

  • We Not They Finally

    Yoichi Shimatsu, a great Japanese-American journalist who goes back and forth, says that he expects Japan to go the way of martial law. He says people there are spending no money and that no one has the money or power to oppose Shinzo Abe.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    He might be right and we might all be under martial law soon. When any civilization begins to collapse in on itself, the military takes its rightful place and that has always been at the head of the table.

  • MichaelV MichaelV


    To say like it or leave conjures up the chasm that spans the abyss of intolerance.

    Admin is moderating my original comment to you.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      hear hear. …. there there

    • ENENews

      MichaelV, looks like 2 of your comments went into moderation because they were from an IP address similar to a spammer. I approved them and problem should be fixed now. Let me know if still not working right. Thanks, admin

  • Michael Tellinger – Ancient 500,000 Year Old Sacred Mystery And Civilization Revealed; via @AGreenRoad

    • What is old, is new. What is new, is old.

      Nuclear is a dead end.

      Five Reasons Why Nuclear IS A DEAD END

      by Jeremy Rifkin

      • teamplayer

        Great find, Dr.
        Thank you.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Very nice and the general and his boys and girls knew this 60 years ago and/but they still allowed the charade to continue on, while millions have died and trillions of more dollars were wasted from those then understood consequences, but alas, there is (A) hope if more like Rifkin get the floor! 🙂

      • crystalwind crystalwind

        Ever since I heard about Entropy and discovered Jeremy Rifkin in the '80s I've adored him. I wrote my college paper on Technology and The Second Law of Thermodynamics citing him often. Centralization, complexities and energy watershed argue nuclear power out of the picture. That it is with us at all flies in the face of all logic. But Rifkin could have told them that before they built the first reactor…or maybe he did tell them. Glad to see he is getting attention. Thank you for the vid.

  • ftlt

    Kav: Look when you start telling people to leave their country, I believe, you have crossed the line into a form of mindless brutish thinking.

    If you have rethought that statement, apologize.

    I do "support your right" to say whatever you want to on this and any MB… It would damage the MB if you were in anyway constrained in your ability to comment on here… Even if you were pro nuke or fifth columnist – which I believe you are not

    That does not change my mind that you are drinking too much of the laced Kool-Aid and Jello…

    If anything can be done at FUFU to help lessen or stop the horror released there everyone posting wants that – you included.

    The point here is, many here believe this is a far greater issue than just FUFU or the almost now forgotten sink hole. They are all one in the same. They are political beasts. To have a general discussion regarding energy without mention of its political side in the last 100 years, is far beyond naive – it is choosing to be ignorant to the realities of our time.

    If this were an engineering forum, then dissuasion could be constrained to that narrow topic.

    Live with others ideas.

    It is fair to vigorously speak to your ideas and point out failings without the type of brutish language you used above.

    Call me a knob or an idiot or a bunghole – that is OK – I'm a duck.

    Tell me or others to leave the country of their birth is off the charts.. In fact, it is part of the problem – the fascist…

    • ftlt

      the fascist "old standard comment" faux patriotic problem that stalks our country and in the end will be the surge of it… It reeks of ignorance and mindless adherence to the myths and the lies we are constantly force fed..

      The myths and lies that have gotten us to FUFU, the Sinkhole, Deep Water Horizon, Endless War on and on and on..

      It is mass murder/Genocide for profit.. There is no other way to look at it unless you and yours are in the 1% – and in the end even those arrogant fools will suffer the same fate.


  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    ftlt.. no worries Kez excites me too every time she enters the room.

    I also get silly and all excited and misspell her name often!

    Certain women just have that natural ability to scramble other's brains….

    • ftlt

      OBE: Don't mention spelling and typing to me… They gets me excited as they are so illusive to me.. I doubt, I have one CLEAN error free post on here… HAHAHAHAHA

      • ftlt

        Kez vs Kav >>> does not trump = Surge for Scourge above..

        DING DONG DING DONG HAHAHHAHAHA… I gave up trying or caring years ago..

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I struggle with the same thing everyday but when she comes around it gets much worse.. 😉

  • Jebus Jebus

    It's ironic that this thread is what it is…

    I think I will skip my daily ENENews now and sit writing my congressmen while smiling and laughing at this absurd world.

    If you deleted every comment on the ENENews website, there would still be more than enough evidence to allow someone intelligent to realize the magnitude of Fukushima.

    Nothing can compete with the power of the "word of mouth".
    The most powerfull thing you can do is to turn to your brother or sister and allow them to realize for themselves, the magnitude of Fukushima. Then ask them to do the same…

    You can change history's tale, but you can not change the result, for the result always equals the sum of the parts.

    Read the site again…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    So you told your children how bad it was and then they went home and then told their parents, whom then called and told all their family members, who then went to work and they told their bosses, who then told their whole staff, who then repeated the whole process and that is why they all should go to Tokyo Japan for vacation, based on an article from a Nuclear Industry paid for staff spewing Nuclear Bullshitus?

    Did they not see the massive explosions of these Nuclear Power plants?

    Oh wait, I forgot the radiation contamination spew is invisible!

    I got it now!

    • kez

      Obe .. you didn't link to me .. but IF YOU DARE suggest that I have assembled my kids into a lockstep Koolaid line .. think again.

      You and Anne can wail and extoll all you want abt how their fine little brains are fried by radiation already ..

      Meanwhile .. as I said my kids are smart .. they work hard.

      They also do not believe that reptilian aliens are ruling the world.

      They are obviously much better company for me right now.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Kez, you DO realize that the use of the reptilian term is metaphorical suggesting a psycho-type ruled by more primitive drives characterized by the archipallium or primitive "reptilian" brain stem and limbic system, unhindered by moderation from the neocortical functions exemplified by higher mammals? For example, when your kids are mischievous, you might call them scallywags or little monkeys, never expecting to be taken literally

        Dont underestimate the sophistication of these fellows which they only thinly hide behind feigned plonker personas! Believe you me!

        • kez

          Code .. you do realize that the venerated PattieB from this board has given at least two alt net radio interviews in the last 10 days or so stressing 'her' absolute belief that these reptilian aliens are running the world.

          And something abt rh positive and rh neg blood types making us rh neg not worth their time? Thank God I am safe bc I am Rh neg.

          Just do a you tube and ustream search for "her" latest.

          And after predicting the end of the world at least twice since August she is still wrong.

          But OK .. "she's" valuable here.

          Whatever .. you didn't get what I meant .. and it wasn't rhetorical.

          And I am not blond .. why am I the only one challenged so?

          Otherwise .. thanks for not being as mean as some of the others. 🙂

          But "she" will milk this crap as long as she can ..

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Kez, why do you let Pattie B bug you so much? Let it go..

            What you ought to do is download this PDF and hand if to your children and ask them to write reports on what they learned and have them give their vocal reports in front of all their parents in a large school auditorium. Let them also know in a few years by mandatory law they will be by force tax slaves for the rest of their lives supporting such massive coverups outlined here in this PDF. Conspiracy is a who you know operation it seems..

            • kez

              Because folks like PattieB make all our efforts bullshit because they are just too far out whackos for a boardroom.

              Deal w it. Have you ever been in a boardroom with high powered execs?

              I have .. Shell Oil.

              Would you wear some stupid star wars costume to such a high powered board room?

              Would you invite PattieB to speak your cause in such a high powered board room? Abt the real life reptilian rulers and planet X?

              Would you invite Anne to speak abt the Illuminati?

              If you OBE were gifted the chance tp speak to some real power brokers abt our cause ..

              Who the fuck would you invite .. and what the fuck would you say?

              • kez

                Or would you just gripe and pass the oppoutunity ..

                To chat an Ene?

                Hmm .. any of you?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                Is this the kind of language you use with your students? Is this the kind of activism you profess? What is your brand of activism trying to achieve?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            kez…I had zero "blond joke" intent, never crossed my mind. I was trying to say your efforts at sizing up the people here is about as useless as others are at sizing you up. You have said more negative things about people here than anybody Ive read. Why is that? Is it REALLY because theyre all irrational, inactive, whackos? I suggest, if I may, that your feelings about them is a projection, based on your own frustrations perhaps, that not enough is being done.

            BTW I would not dream of banning a Kez, as another had suggested. …Kez, do you find fault with this idea: there is plenty of opportunity in the world for activism of all kinds (including but not exclusively petitions) and plenty of room for people contributing their ideas about energy, energy disasters like the Gulf spill and Fukushima? You can contribute, you can argue peoples points, its all good. But personal attacks create animosity, and seldom lead to corrections or alignment with your wishes. You can do that too, just realize it. I think, as a teacher, this is just really old news about psychological behavior and response.

            lastly, I get a kick out of JoyB who stated people post disaster porn, posturing himself as an experienced voice of reason…only to go on and say things like the best billions can hope for at this point is spontaneous remission. Point is, things really DO APPEAR nearly apocalyptic, especially if you think in the near term future of, say 1000 years.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        kez, I never said that you should treat your kids as if their brains are fried. I'm for education. Using one's brain increases the brain's ability to think.

        You are the one who acts like a troll and wants to stop reporting of the news.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          I'm all for increasing brain power. That's why I want to ban all use of cell phones and cell phone towers, ban all nuclear technology, ban all use of cooking oils and fats and transfats that cause Alzheimer's, ban all use of pesticides and herbicides, ban all use of mercury in shots, ban all TV.

      • Kez, Do you even read what you say? After berating Code Shutdown and NewsBlackOutUSA for speaking their mind calling them traitors and they should leave the country if they don't like it you say "One of our most fundamental rights here is that we can speak up." There usually is a troll lurking about but they always seem active when topics such as "police state methods" erupt. Yeah you guys really don't want us talking about that kind of stuff, right? And it doesn't really matter if you are in fact a paid tepco or cia troll or just a frustrated menopausal sex starved overweight middle aged women frustrated and bored with nothing better to do then rag out on strangers on the net. I don't care. Your confrontational argumentative off topic conversation dragged us away from the natural progression of the topic and I don't like it. Final straw is above retort to Obe. Capitalized drivel. Everyones seen you here everyone knows. They all come and they all go. None of them are missed.

        • kez

          Mark .. first .. my caring to promote any change here via the enusers is done. Dead. So congratulate me please. This community I accept will never be activist. I learned. And you cannot sum up my posts even over the last year so naively bc you haven't read them all.

          Second of all .. I am either the extreme of a paid CIA or Tepco Troll ..

          Nor I am a shrill frustrated sex starved fat middle aged woman with nothing better to do ..

          Jeezz .. basically I just asked for a few phone calls and emails. And that the far out alien illuminati crap go off topic.

          so .. forgive me .. that's freaky extreme. And ugly to women even tho not one woman here will support me.

          Why not throw in the C word while you're at it? cmon .. you know ya wanna? I know MichaelV knows how it feels to be called the N word. He might speak up. or not.

          Second .. Dear OBE .. hiding behind your own "shills" .. you speak up for your own self .. i think you know exactly what i meant ..

          it is off topic for sure ..

          but for sure shows the actual Heart of Ene ..

          so gotta go from here ..

          I think the reptilian aliens ruling the world are nicer. :}

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    No wonder these Nuke Pukers need a police state!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Kez, You are lighting up the room again. 🙂

    My response was based on the article your posted concerning where you (by your posted link) wanted us or someone here to believe that Tokyo had very little to no contamination and that is simply impossible, since all of Japan is now contaminated in some form or fashion.

    Now the chain of communication (to all those humans around you) is what it is and that should be every posters duty to not only write letters, which I have, and to spread the good news by word of mouth, like Jebus referred too in his comment.

    Children must know the truth of what they are inheriting and will have to deal with in the very near future from not only their elders, parents, community leaders, etc., but also from their teachers..

    This has been taught Chaos and it needs to change and children need to grow up very quickly these days.

    • kez

      Obe .. yeh sure.

      And you didn't get my last message either. But you sure played me and hung me out to the wolves ..

      I don't care to draft a long reply here .. so you will either actually read again what I wrote (and you won't) .. or you will consider that the far out whacked ideas (hey reptilian aliens aree real) don't further the cause .. and at some point you can't play everyone to make a point .. because not everyone is a good voice to the cause because the middle is turned off by reptilians aliens running the world ..

      And the middle is where you need to be to effect change to start what you desire. The farther extreme position yoru stance .. the less gets done (congress ring a bell) .. the more die and are poisoned .. and you will fail.

      But I like you. Ultimately you do have a good heart.

      Stay the course. Good luck. 🙂

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Not sure why you are hung up on reptiles and/or other things like Planet X, PattieB etc.

        Clearly the entire premise/operation on the planet and in this world is based on continuing lies and on going conspiracies. It permeates every board room and operation floating through our prestigious halls of government, science, technology and education platforms/institutions.

        It is what it is and having a few more fly around are just icing on the cake and more to ponder for the human mind. I get a kick out of them because its pretty clear if we are generating 16 million top secret docs each year, their is now massive amounts of information to hide from the average by force tax paying American citizen.

        Since, I am directly downline related to the Sumerian Culture I can relate to all these wild stories circulating on the net. Loved Star Trek and Stargate too!

        We should be focusing on Nuclear since it is now directly in the entire World's face and as a failed technology we must end its application here on Planet Earth. All Bobbies should be done by now and if he/they isn't/aren't done by now.. then he/they is/are very stupid.

        No body is coming down or arriving from space to save any of us and millions are dying horrible deaths right now as I type this and I will blame the bulk of all this new human misery on this Nuclear Technology Application around the globe.

        If you can't teach it (the facts about Nuclear) to others then you should probably change your…

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    Alternative Media Special
    Friday September 27, 2013
    Filling in for George, John B. Wells hosted a discussion on alternative media with a panel of guests appearing throughout the night, including journalist and Breaking the Set host Abby Martin, Shepard Ambellas of, and Buzzsaw hosts…
    Host: John B. Wells
    Guest(s): Abby Martin, Shepard Ambellas, Tyrel Ventura, Sean Stone, Tabetha WallaceThey called me a No-Nuke-Now-Node..

    Last night's show featured these guests who discussed how alternative media( ENENews) is running circles around the MSM.

    It's no surprise they'd show up here with a strategy to alter the thread topics…

    • MichaelV MichaelV

      They called me a Nifty-No-Nuke-Now-Newshound…

      • kez

        MichaelV .. Gotcha .. just a couple of days ago your post abt being a poor african american (black) man and enduring the racist stigmas of the N word brought me to tears.

        Obviously just a big joke to you now huh?

        God I am stupid .. congrats on a very good play on the N word dude! And very well done that you sucked me in!


        Except that I find it offensive to be used that way .. or that you would actually use such a tactic.

        • MichaelV MichaelV

          Main Entry: 2nag
          Function: verb
          Inflected Form(s): nagged; nag·ging
          Etymology: probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse nagga to moan, complain
          Date: circa 1828
          intransitive verb
          1 : to find fault incessantly : complain 2 : to be a persistent source of annoyance or distraction
          transitive verb
          1 : to irritate by constant scolding or urging 2 : badger, worry
          — nag·ger noun
          — nagging adjective
          — nag·ging·ly \ˈna-giŋ-lē\ adverb

          Thanks to the genius Lenny Bruce Richard Pryor Mel Brooks Quentin Tarantino and others words no longer divide us a long lines of culture national origin sexual orientation or our love for the environment.

          Michael Richardson tried it and failed miserably; there is a difference between genius and stupidity: genius has its limits.

          When Suburban college kids from northern states we're in desensitivity training in preparing to desegregate southern lunch counters they were appalled at the thought of using a racial slur. it was apparent that to do so caused them to have adverse physical reactions. it took a lot of coaching to assure them it was okay.

          You tipped your hand when you told code to leave the country; when I wrote, N1@@3r, you inferred and articulated only one meaning.

          nag nag nag all the time; don't be a nagger Kez.

        • MichaelV MichaelV

          Until you can help me meet a payroll and/or give workers a living wage don't you condescend to call me a poor anything ever again.

          Or, if you can identify industrial cleaning compounds that are non-toxic and biodegradable, implement a viable rideshare scheme for workers
          you are free to send a resume.

          • MichaelV MichaelV

            And another thing, I disdain the euphemism 'N word'.

            You too can say n1@@3r, Kez…

            I'll be your coach.

            Start by saying it slowly after me: n*****, n******,

            Now, you try it. With practice you'll be writing gangsta rap in no time at all. Your friends will have a new admiration for Kez.

            You folks can have parties where you invent new ways to toss it around, and play parlor games with real prizes for who can guess the secret word.

          • MichaelV MichaelV

            We make solutions of lemon juice water, and acetic acid and water for commercial cleaning/environmental services. They work well, leave a naturally clean surface and fragrance, and you can drink them.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Good stuff! Always best to use safe methods!

              • MichaelV MichaelV


                For tough stains and bacteria a few drops of dawn detergent works wonders.

                We can the avoid in many instances the over use of chemicals and what we dump into the environment.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  H2O2 along with your dawn does wonders too! H202 added to anything gives any cleaning compound a new zip of life!

                • MichaelV MichaelV

                  Advertisers encourage consumers to use more and more, the bigger the bottle the more powerful,etc.

                  more consumption means and higher energy requirement, and hence that gives false credibility for our needing nuclear power.

                  I'm going to mix w/H2O2 and note the results… thanks for the tip.

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    Insofar as the attacks on investigative journalism is concerned…

    …Alternative media is running circles around the MSM…go ENENews..!

  • kez

    apologies admin for continuing so off topic .. I am done.

    Take care good souls.

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    I'm all for a petition to get kez banned , whatever honest her original motives/dynamics to discover she has a great talent at self-righteousness trolling ,
    she's addicted big time now , she is a worthless hypocrit and a distraction to ENENews , insinuating we get some necrophile pleasure's out of the world's misery ..
    This has been allowed more then long enough now !

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder


      she is = she became (a worthles..)

    • or-well

      DID, I oppose that suggestion.
      We are all free to avoid written response and ignore any poster's comments.
      Refraining from dialogue removes the platform for response.
      Should anyone persist in off-topic posting, we are free to point out its off-topic nature and report such posts.
      We are free to report personal attacks, or any violation of this site's posting rules.
      Should those rules not be violated, the Off-Topic Forum exists for presentation of topics and opinions and response to same, should anyone desire to do so. No one is forced to engage in dialogue.
      This site does not ban obvious pro-nuclear shills. From time to time they post and are rebutted.
      This site does not ban posters who present inaccurate info or speculation presented as fact even if it is of a nature that some might consider absurd or dangerously misleading.
      In the "real" world, in "meatspace", we must contend, or learn to effectively contend, with opinions we disagree with, with the presentation of argumentative or inflammatory positions, with inaccuracy and with lies.
      Far better we gain such practise here than become a homogenised, monotone chorus all singing the same note over and over.
      As to Kez, specifically, I find her approach rather de-motivational in nature, but personally I am no more and no less impelled or motivated to action by her remarks, which are, in my opinion, less de-motivational than the "We're all gonna die!" variety.

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Thank you Orwell for your opinion ,

        i agree in principle , but no longer in this case.. do not underestimate her.. like some have warned..

        • MichaelV MichaelV

          I wasted 90 minutes responding to her; hopefully everyone will see her for what she really is.

        • or-well

          You're welcome DID.
          I suggest underestimating no one!
          The regular posters here represent a small percent of the 13,000 FB "likes" or the total readership, as shown by stats presented on occasion in the past.
          I suggest that Kez's condemnatory abrasiveness mixed with her "calls to activism", while clearly offensive enough to some to prompt responses, will do nothing to deter those who post here.
          I suggest that spreading notions of helpless acceptance of impending global doom is more damaging than rude forum behaviour, even IF done with sincerity.
          If that opens a can of worms, so be it.
          It doesn't trouble me if we disagree about this. I'm glad we can talk about it. For all I know, Admin may ban Kez. Or me. In the long run, it won't make much difference if we don't act outside of these forums.
          But here, at least, is a place to present viewpoints from all across the anti-nuclear spectrum, just like in real life, and just maybe, help those who are nearer the beginning of the learning curve. That is something I believe Kez overlooked or de-valued. Not everybody is ready for activism, even of the most accessible kind.

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            or-well , this sums it all up pretty neat for me without the maybe's..

            "But here, at least, is a place to present viewpoints from all across the anti-nuclear spectrum, just like in real life, and just maybe, help those who are "nearer the beginning of the learning curve". That is something I believe Kez overlooked or de-valued."

            I talk to save the world , not individuals.. but critical mass..
            that is still near the beginning of the learning curve..

            "Not everybody is ready for activism, even of the most accessible kind."

            Doing this here, voicing my opinion as clear as possible is my version of being an activist.. nobody has to explain itself..
            live and let live is my motto..
            untill i get cold turd's aka "de-valuetings" in my neck from supposedly "fellow/buddy" activist's on a high horse.. longer than a brief episode of emotional blurredness is supposed to last..
            I'm not having it.. she can do her thing here without trolling ,
            lead by example etc..

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    Official: “Police state methods” used by gov’t to promote nuclear power (VIDEO)

    There are 13 thousand people that like ENENews. if we reminded them to share links on social networking and in alternative media outlets then we can do an end run around the main stream media.

    Let's not be distracted by off topic comments. It's easy to identify who these people are and what their motives represent.

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    On Saturday night's coast to coast am show Abby Martin hit a homerun in explaining how the fascist corporate power structure controls journalists through fear and intimidation.

    Shepherd Ambelis elaborated on how smart phones are changing the world by bring information directly to the user. The days of the mainstream media are numbered.

    ENENews is invaluable; we must develop an approach to share this information with this many people as possible.

    Facebook is replete with warm and fuzzy human interest stories and cute cuddly animals; Twitter is for celebrities.

    To simply email links may not be enough if they are not open.

    These actions need follow up from perhaps a telephone call. The sound of your voice would most likely have a lasting effect.

  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    I guess it's come down to the point that decisions are being made despite the inner-voice whispering(or in some cases) SCREAMING-311=ELE?! It's a shame that it's happening & division is occurring within our very small following here on ENE(compared to the magnitude of the event/issue)& even worse that it's based on personal bias & some sort of unhealthy competition happening here that resembles the same mindsets of the haughty scientists whose vanity & presumptions led us full-speed ahead into the Atomic Age as soon as they figured out how to unleash the atom & without tackling the many huge problems associated with how to turn it "off" and/or deal with it when it goes out of control. Einstein,Fermi,etc. were probably arguing amongst themselves similarly & didn't even notice when the switch was flipped "ON" before they ever had or would devise a way to shut them OFF or deal with the foulness that resulted. I haven't personally seen any "alien-reptile humanoids",but those calling the shots are snaky,cold-blooded variants or a "sub-species"who believe they're immune to their crap technology's lethality?(maybe they are?)BUT,the cancers & deaths including my wife's stepfather's 5 days ago that I've seen FIRSTHAND & now growing inside my own body at rates unprecedented prior to 311 except in hard-hit post-Chernobyl regions IS UNDENIABLE PROOF to ME & drives me to post here & suffer "consequences"only a perceptive,poverty-level,ill,ENE"activist"on an…

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      cont'd;NSA-shitlist can explain to those who haven't yet received their "on the job" hospice/oncology 101,crash-course training yet in the case of those who have children & grandchildren or are so attached to their material possessions & place in life/society that they cling to some shred of hope for an "acceptable" outcome. Hell, I'm guilty of having held the same "guarded optimism" until I started burying people who'd been just fine up until post-311 impacts amongst my family,friends-even pets began to remove my daydreams of a future,if even for my children's sake! I NEVER thought I'd ever feel guilty for my part in my two grown children having been born into this shitty world and I harbor deep guilt & remorse for having felt relief when what would've been our then 20 yr old daughter's February 2012 miscarriage of what would've been our only grandchild spared all of us,especially the likely deformed or sickly baby that was followed by the rapid onset,detection & diagnosis of my wife's aggressive,stage3B,advanced breast/lymph node cancer & chemo,surgery & radiation commencing on 3/1/12 and now they want to take her remaining breast,ovaries & more lymph nodes in addition to the 7 they removed last year with chemo/radiation/surgery ROUND#2 beginning in November-just about the time we'll be foreclosed on & evicted following the stepdad's death last week & loss of his fixed income. If my level of "activism"isn't enuff-"SORRY"-I'm too busy between ENE &…

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        cont'd;-watching beloved family members take their last breaths & die on my watch… 🙁 GOOD LUCK ALL!! I might be feeling self-pity & a real downer at the moment-but IMO it should probably be expected(?). I still don't wish for anyone else's leg or arm to fall off or grow a tumor the size of a cantaloupe before they figure out that there IS an ongoing ELE that hasn't even begun to reach all of the places & people along with everything else walking,crawling,flying,swimming or growing deformed roots in irradiated soil waiting to be picked & packed & found on a dinner table near you!! This shit sucks!…..

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Your activism is much more than enough! Hang in there Johnny Blade!