Official: Radioactive material escaping everyday from WIPP and dispersing — Top officials “not made available for comment” — Expert: Leaks from ‘unfiltered’ ducts went on for weeks

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Carlsbad Current Argus, Mar. 19, 2014: [Last week's radiation release] incident is believed to have been caused from a buildup of radioactive particles that eventually escaped the duct much like smoke from a chimney, and officials anticipate more residual releases until the original source of last month’s radiation leak can be fixed. “Small amounts (of radioactive particles) are escaping everyday and we’re going to see those spikes every once in a while,” said Donavan Mager, spokesman for the Nuclear Waste Partnership. “It’s so small that it’s going to disperse quickly. Everything is working the way we expect it to and as it was designed, otherwise you wouldn’t see any (particles escaping) if the leak was contained.” [...] WIPP officials said Wednesday they plan to test the mine’s HEPA filters to ensure they’re working as expected. [...] DOE and NWP officials will provide another public update at the weekly Carlsbad town hall meeting on Thursday at 5:30 p.m. in the city council chambers on 101 N. Halagueno Street. DOE Carlsbad Field Office Manager Jose Franco and newly-appointed NWP president Bob McQuinn were not made available for comment on the situation.

Nuclear Hotseat with Libbe HaLevy, Mar. 18, 2014 — Don Hancock, The Southwest Research and Information Center (at 38:45 in): There are normally 3 ducts that the air comes out on the surface, and all of those are supposed to be closed when the ventilation system goes into filtration mode (i.e. Rather than venting the underground air into the environment, the underground air first goes through this filtration process with the HEPA filters). DOE always maintained from the beginning that everything was working fine. It wasn’t until about 3 weeks later that they said, ‘Well we sent a worker in to put foam in the dampers of those 3 ducts that vent to the outside because they were almost totally closed, but not totally closed, and so there was leakage coming out of them.’ So again there was some radioactivity coming out beyond what might have passed through the filters themselves. DOE now says that those have been sealed off, and so the ventilation and air all has to go through the filters.

See also: Radiation released from ‘unfiltered’ vents, foam used to plug openings is degrading

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  • http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/8-1.php
    another example of the crimes behind nuclear.. and think past the name reagan or obama or washington or even lincoln when you are addressing true culpability.
    while the potus is always a willing tool they are just holding military office and executing a war, covert and overt. we. the people are not "We The People", we are what constitutes the chattle to be slaughtered.
    its always been warfare, taxes are ransom for the hostages held by the
    "state".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQhEYXu5yeo&list=UUS7vBLuVsIhboUZsv5OCnew&feature=share&index=7
    the protection they offer is that of the assassins.

    nuclear was proven lethal by curie and killed her. it's been killing ever since as a weapon of war, not health.
    denying reality and seeing the captivity as healthy is killing us off.
    URS, the company that stood up to do this job had its place in history planned and richly compensated. there was an equivalent
    company in germany selling their contracted waste to the mafia in italy that just ignored the lethal consequences and dumped it like empty beer cans around italy.
    we live among idiots and psychopaths.
    the german company disposed of tons and tons of waste.
    our URS is the same outfit that turned parts of england into a wasteland at sellafield.
    like serco and saic and boeing, bae, ig farben. generals electric and dynamics and raytheon.
    all of the net is a NET.
    find us a way out……….. anyone.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Sadly, the only way out of this nut house is through the/a funeral home.. :(


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      • Sadly, yes.
        And we are all surrounded by these reactors (while most are completely unaware of them or the dangers they present.)
        Who ever thought the destructive nuclear bomb could be feasibly used as energy to light our homes? It takes a special kind of someone to build and operate these hellholes on wishes and prayers. I cannot even imagine what nuclear, "scientists", are taught in school!


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        • irhologram

          What nuclear material is in light bulbs? I'm still musing over the one in 10 U.S. light bulbs having been produced from Russia's nuclear waste, imported to WIPP. That was in a RSOE alert that was permanently recorded in a video posted here (That RSOE alert has been deleted.).


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      alreadyconsidered … IBM should be on that list, too.


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    • nedlifromvermont

      the way out is to tell Jeff immelt, or that little girl "whose Mama makes windmills under the ocean that are powered by the Moon …" that GE has NO CREDIBILITY on energy, on Ukraine, on Golden Pond, until it (GE), or they (everyone else) admits that uranium fission power for the civilian electric generation program, was a COMPLETE FRAUD (never necessary) …and until then; they are baby murderers … read Sternglass, and weep, for the lies, the withholding of data … in short …

      FOR SHAME on GE, and POTUS and IAEA and all the other child molesting coddlers at MIT and EPA and US DOE and etc … ad infinitum …

      we, 'newsers, are right and THEY ARE WRONG …

      (sorry for shouting … again …) but SOMEONE'S GOT TO

      peace, 'newsers, rest, in valliant slumber …

      tomorrow brings a new, more RADIOACTIVE day …

      Nedli out!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Soon, this will read, prom queen gives normal girl her crown..normal in the future will be the odd/needy one ..no doubt.
    http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/prom-queen-gives-her-crown-special-needs-student-182858250–abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1


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  • Jebus

    HEY! look over here.

    Fukushima water decontamination suspended indefinitely
    March 20, 2014

    The failure in the system, known as the Advanced Liquid Processing System (ALPS), is the latest setback in Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s (TEPCO) uphill battle to stockpile radioactive water, which is ballooning at a rate of 400 tons per day.

    TEPCO said up to 900 tons of water, which had not been sufficiently cleaned in the ALPS equipment, flowed into a network of 21 tanks that were holding 15,000 tons of treated water. Not only have the 21 tanks been rendered unusable, but all 15,000 tons of previously cleaned water will now have to be retreated.

    http://rt.com/news/fukushima-water-decontamination-suspended-089/

    normalcy, marginalize, minimize, duplicity, procrastinate, lies

    WIPP is flappin in the breeze.

    A grain of plutonium in the nuclear desert.

    No job is more valuable than putting a shine back on the ship.

    Is all still Fukushima. 24/7…


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    • Hate to say this, but I did not (ever) believe their ALPs system worked, at all. I think they shut it off or it was shut off, long ago, and as they do in Fukushima Prefecture, they're just not getting around to finding an excuse for why so much radiation has been leaking into the Pacific.
      I honestly do not believe any work is being done at Dai'ichi. I think these poor people are walking around like a line of ants, taking readings from meters that have never registered the high number of rads in the air there, until they finally drop from radiation-sickness. Then they are replaced with whomever else the yakuza can pick up off of the street, and they work like the other busy ants.., writing down numbers, if they even know how to write.
      What a sad state of affairs.

      And most Westerners have absolutely no clue this has been going on since 3-11-11, and is not going to get better in any of our lifetime(s)…


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      • We Not They Finally

        Agree 100% with everything you just said. Think that the Yazuka is just draining public funds for themselves by so-called "providing labor," who can do little more than just nuke themselves on the site.

        Not sure that Westerners will never have a clue, though. Yeah, the cancer rates escalated greatly in the 80's because of the bomb testing already done. And somehow that became "the new normal" — to boot with "hero survivors,' and "fighters." And be proud if your head is shaved for chemo, and other such grotesque adaptations.

        But this time around with the huge major direct onslaught, the likes of birth defects across the population probably won't lead to a "new normal." It's too freaky when people realize that they cannot even safely reproduce.

        But it will be too late? Yeah, it will be too late, especially since it is ongoing and escalating. Then it will be a big, "Why weren't we told?" Don't know whether to rage at all the apathy and ignorance, or to just cry. Maybe a little of both.

        And right now, TEPCO is just floundering for the "default" position — a way to make it seem inevitable that thousands of tons more radiation get poured into the sea ongoing.

        I just have no tears for the people who did this. Why isn't the world rounding them up for public shame and permanent imprisonment?


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      • PurpleRain PurpleRain

        I think the same thing…I never believed their water filtration system worked…and others have told us that there is no way to filter out the radiation..or nuclides or whathaveyou. The people there seem to have no idea what they are doing, although it does seem that they have "cleaned" up the debris that was everywhere…so maybe they can get around better on the premises, but sadly..I think they hire people, run up their dosage, let them go before they die…and round up more people to take their place. It's very sad. And, they are suicidal-type heros… we can't fault the individual workers who are doing their best and putting themselves in danger. It's just sad all around.


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    • waiono

      The good news is that the MSM consensus is that Fuk-ium dispersion is actually healthy for us thru homeostasis. Certainly nothing to be alarmed about. Now Tepco can simply let the wqter flow freely into the Pacific.

      I'm looking forward to the day when Tepco assesses countries bordering the North Pacific a "user fee" through some clause in the coming TPP Treaty. And why shouldn't we pay? After all, Tepco has gone to gret lengths to insure our future health and should be rewarded for it financially.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "Gee, we need more money to treat it again. We are too dumb to fail…"

      off camera: Ha ha hee hee haww BWAHAHHHHGG AHGK! Almost choked I laughed so hard. Give me another eight ball.


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  • This terrible information, from LANL to WIPP, has been going on for far too long, yet the world mostly misses it. In fact, I missed much of it, until fairly recently. So as I go back through the dates and I mean back a couple of years, in this site, I am saddened to see that what I suspected for the past eight months is true.
    We are in deep trouble.
    I really don't see any way to fix any of this.
    And Obama & Co. still want to build more reactors? Are they completely stupid? Or, are they insane? I'm yet to work that one out.


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  • Sickputer

    They will vent as needed without disclosure (must not panic local populace is Rule #1).

    As we have learned from central Japan, knowledge of danger is a good thing, but in itself can't totally protect affected areas. Only relocation can do that.

    Who will sell their house and leave at the first sign of environmental distress? Seen a lot of folks in Fukushima City, Charleston, or Carlsbad pick up and relocate?

    Some did.. Less than 10% in Fukushima City, far less in West Virginia and New Mexico.

    Why? Because relocation means you don't come back. It also comes with a hefty financial cost. Who will buy the house? Can they find jobs elsewhere easily? What about stubborn family and friends who refuse to relocate?

    So you make a choice based on all those issues. 90% stay behind and take whatever occurs. Radiation or polluted water or whatever happened to their town. Welcome to Future Shock.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Once the public looses their loved ones, has no hope left, having nothing to loose. Is when the gloves come off.
    No one will want any of that.


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  • combomelt combomelt

    THE PTB ARE ONLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT COLLAPSED BEFORE THEY COULD FULLY STUFF IT TO THE BRIM WITH ALL THEIR SHYT FROM EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD BEFORE IT COLLAPSED. SO MANY THINGS TO FIX IN JUST THE FIRE REPORT ALONE!. ITS ALL ABOUT HOW TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THEIR FUKING MONEY BEFORE IT ALL CAVES INTO FUKE KNOWS WHAT.
    I MEAN, THEY HAVE TRUCKS OUT ON THE HIGHWAYS N BYWAYS ACROSS THE COUNTRY CARRYING THESE…..

    http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o287/combomelt/JOURNEY%20TO%20WIPP/72BcaskTruck1_zps53e350f6.jpg

    AND THESE….

    http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o287/combomelt/JOURNEY%20TO%20WIPP/Nuclear_waste_container_2010_nevada_zpsae2ac26f.jpg

    WITH NOWHERE TO DROP THEIR LOADS! (ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO DUMP THE SHYTE THAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, ON TRAINS & ON TRUCKS, HUNDREDS/THOUSANDS OF TOXIC TONS OF IT, OUT ON THE ROADS & THE RAILS, WITH NOWHERE TO GO NOW, XCEPT MAYBE A SITE IN TEXAS!!…LOOK OUT TEXAS!).

    HOW MANY FUKING TRUCKS WITH CASKS ON THEM ARE PARKED AT/NEAR HOW MANY TRUCK-STOPS ACROSS THE USA? WAITING…WAITING….WAITING….ROTTING….WAITING….ROTTING.

    SOMEBODY AT WIPP FUKED UP, DIDN'T GUESSTIMATE WELL ENOUGH, AND, WELL, NOW, THERES A SHYTE-TON OF EMPTY "PANELS" DOWN THERE THAT THEY WASTED $$$ ON & THEY HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO STUFF EVERY INCH OF IT FULL BEFORE THE DESIGNED COLLAPSE A FEW YEARS AFTER THEY "SEAL IT OFF". GREAT "PLAN" GUYS! THANKS FOR "CHOKING UP" AT YOUR BS SLOBBER WEEKLY MEETING. FUKE YOU…


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  • Uranium_Mountain Uranium_Mountain

    I would think that air like water would take the path of least resistance? So if one vent had a filter but 3 were closed yet not all the way closed, wouldn't a lot of air be blowing through those instead of going through the filtered one? And if that being the case then perhaps the filters were getting much less air passing through and captured than they should have had giving a very false reading for actual released Pu.
    What exactly is a small amount anyway? This is very vague. Very misleading from a spokesman that should be a scientist very familiar with readings and measurements. Would small to them be a gram an hour? I wonder just how much air volume per hour was passing through those vents anyway. Really, why wasn't the ventilation system just shut down anyway since no workers were in the mine? Why push more air in to force more air out? Contaminated air at that!


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    • We Not They Finally

      Apparently, the filters were designed to last just five years, with instructions to under no circumstances use them for more than ten. It's not 15-20 and with no replacements in site.

      Of course in Hanford, there is deadly waste stored in casks designed to last 20 years, but now it is going on 70. But shuttling that deadly cargo around the country as an alternative, doesn't look like it was too smart now, does it?


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    • razzz razzz

      "Really, why wasn't the ventilation system just shut down anyway since no workers were in the mine?"

      Because like Daiichi, operators were in a state of shock when the never planned or expected for happened.

      Even at Chernobyl the Unit next door kept running because the guy in charge refused to shut down the reactor under his command (visions of Siberia). At Daiichi they expected to save the reactors for restarting until within hours or days it was obvious that the only remedy was to cool with saltwater and even then TEPCO never admitted to meltdowns until 3 months later. WIPP spewing radiation was not suppose to happen either, officials are in denial trying to downplay the situation as behind the scenes it looks like abandonment is a good option unless Congress can change the law of physics.

      Vent and save most of the mine for later use even if having to contaminate the surrounding land above or seal shut the cavern and its loads up with radiation everywhere inside. Decisions, decisions. Both money losing propositions in the long run.

      Just admit defeat and seal the mine up and go find some other salt deposit to play in, unless there is something they are not telling us that needs immediate attention already down in the mine.


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  • Nigwil

    Its all pretty insane. I suppose if we all made a habit of sending an email to a politician every time we posted on here with a link to our post it would be a way to annoy/inform them; but then again I'm not that keen on 'bringing myself to the attention of the authorities' either! So I guess I will keep on muttering into my beard while watching it all go to hell in a handbasket! I feel useless in regard to my ability to change the world for the better. Sad, and useless. All I am doing is trying to do the best I can within my own patch. That's hard enough to do but its easy to get overwhelmed by the big picture stuff like Fuke and WIPP. Ugh.


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    • Bones Bones

      Nothing will be done and you can tell people till you are blue in the face. Nothing will change. This globe has many countries. Many more where people actually do have a say. The smaller the country the better. Switzerland is doing just fine for a reason.


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    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      Feel the same way Nigwil….. I'm already annoying the hell out of all my facebook friends when I share things there, but my little drip of water in the facebook stream might get to someone ..and another person's drip on info…might get thru..and they say that the strongest eroding force on this planet is the drip of water…it's what carves our mountains and valley's etc… so just keep your chin up and keep doing the little bit here and there and everywhere that you can. One person can change the world. It might not be you or me…but it might be one of us who are on this site even that will eventually bring on that tipping point – somehow, I hope.


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  • FXofTruth

    Since lying is what all officials do so well when it comes to anything nuclear, the general Public generally goes on with their lives…wanting desperately to believe everything is "OK."

    I've learned in 60 years of being told that: "It's a small release"; "a minor leak"; "the check's in the mail"; and "war will make us safer"; liars abound at all levels of Government and Corporations!

    What's amazing on this site is individuals post their feeling, observations, facts, ideas, questions, and recommendations and it inspires others to react and expand the process of critical thinking. Unfortunately, only a few thousand people may track this information and a few hundred comment. While that is great to see, there are 10's of millions of people who are in the paths of these nuclear disasters. The average person is unwilling to be deeply concerned about their future health (and that of their family's health} and consistently say, "The experts say everything is fine."

    Cancer rates soaring and lying about nuclear meltdowns are documented and proven beyond any doubt but, still deadly silence from the masses. A failed education system and a lack of self-preservation is the true evil in the average person's head. The belief is, "if I ignore it, then it doesn't exist!" Amazing….


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  • mt1000

    OT/ all demonstrations banned at the March 23 nuke summit in Amsterdam.
    Protest news -
    http://stopdenss.nl/english/

    Abe will be there …


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Top officials “not made available for comment” —

    I'm waiting to see their vacation pics.


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  • Nick

    The more complex our society becomes, the stupider we get.

    If intelligent people actually were in control, our world might be a different place.

    Anyone with a smartphone, almost anywhere, can get info about anything.

    It is human nature to have tunnel vision.

    With WIPP, arrogance, greed, and stupidity have doomed 1,000s of people downwind from the site.

    Maybe their cancers won't kick in for 3-4 years, but it will kick in.

    I suggest y'all use your instincts and ignore ANY official proclamation.

    I am not suggesting panic, just some reasoned thinking in the light of un-disclosed highly toxic radioactive leaks.


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  • 59raymondo

    Is there any video footage or transcripts available of the latest Carlsbad town meeting?


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    • It was a disgusting pimp-a-thon

      "You can't find it"

      "Its cleaner than your coffee"

      We were very careful with the fecal samples to make sure they didn't get cross contaminated….yeah right, are you afraid the the subjects were going to lick the samples?

      Filters are running 24/7 and we can run them up to a week at a time (yeah to average out the releases so the dangerous puffs can be blended into a lower average, see dilution is the solution)

      56seconds or maybe that was 90seconds to switch to HEPA (unless of course the system was bypassed during the fire, and it required someone to suit up and activate the HEPA, in the meantime throwing 4.4Mega-Bq Plutonium into the atmosphere at 400,000 CFM)

      DOE Franco — We asked other businesses with radiation capabilities if they saw anything and it was "non detect" on all their samples. (Sorry Franky boy, but that is a lie, because those other businesses just have basic geigers, and not the intense process that CEMRC goes through to analyze a sample for Plutonium! See, there we go again….you can't find it, hide the Pu)

      DOE Franco — The HEPA runs at 53000 CFM or 67000 CFM and the Delta P would indicate if they were degrading. (hmmm since Conca stated clearly that the HEPA was designed to run at 100,000 CFM, and since you had bypass dampers completely open to the atmosphere which masked the Delta P readings as being "OK", but even with all that, it still seems your filters are way clogged)


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        "unless of course the system was bypassed during the fire, and it required someone to suit up and activate the HEPA, in the meantime throwing 4.4Mega-Bq Plutonium into the atmosphere at 400,000 CFM)"

        And it did..by visual confirmation..the smoke from the fire was not contained in any manner.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        stock you are correct and what a mess.. :(


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Did you see the local officials?
          So proud to do it the way.. it's always done.
          Get there early decide what to say ..say it fast… mumble SOMETHING.. pat some backs ..ask about questions faster than anyone can elaborate a question.
          Thank a lot of the liars in the room.
          More back patting ..handshaking.
          Run for your cars.

          Go home perhaps tell.. your wife ..how tough it was to lie to the people.. remind her not to say anything to the neighbors.
          Just the way ..it's always been done.


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      • GQR2

        cleaner than your coffee. Obviously she doesn't feel responsible for the facts of what she says. None of them do. Half truths,leave out the rest of the story.

        The iphone charger licking Nuclear grandma says Rainwater is cleaner than the water you make your coffee out of.

        Joe Franco got a dose of courage and a dark suit. Russel Hardy let a GC go at 100 cpms a minute telling people don't be scared its everywhere. And we "digest" it..

        The Mayor who looks like such a nice guy (they always do) bullies the assembled group prior to the talk admonishing them strongly to watch out for the evil internet where all manor of rumors stir…

        And Heaton is ring master. They brought in a Tall White from Central Casting i mean Los Alamos to confidence restoring guy. Who will miss his wife but looks forward to worshiping in their churches once they move there.
        Next week i bet there are buttons given out with "We Love WIPP" on them

        These meetings could be a play. A work of theater,i wish they were fiction. Instead like a big canine they are digging and hiding their Nuclear slow motion Disaster in plain sight.


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      • IMO – They are not telling the truth.

        They start off in the first 5 minutes by calling those who question their efforts and motives… fear mongers and rumor starters. That's really not good PR.

        This was a major 'experiment' in controlling information and misleading people when it comes to the ominous danger of PLUTONIUM.

        One speaker used her grandchildren as a test to see if they could understand HEPA filter functions. If she could fool them, then it makes since she could fool others too.

        "Only a little bit got out…"
        Please define 'little bit' with regards to PLUTONIUM.

        "It's diluted, such you can't see it anymore, you can't find it", she said. "I'll tell you what you really want to hear."

        The Fairfield area was equal to 1 chest x-ray over a 24 hour period. She stated it as 1/3 of a chest x-ray in 8 hours.
        (downplay obvious!)

        Again, why doesn't anyone stand up and say a chest x-ray is not like inhaling a PLUTONIUM particle?

        I left a comment there. It seemed to go through. Maybe you can too?


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        • Here's my comment, just in case it does not get approved.

          March 21, 2014

          1. Stating that Fairfield was like 1/3 of an x-ray really means a full chest x-ray over a 24 hour period. A smooth way of downplaying in my opinion.

          2. Comparing the inhalation or ingestion of a PLUTONIUM particle to an x-ray is NOT a comparison. Please define a 'little bit' of PLUTONIUM.

          3. Have the livestock on the nearby ranches been tested?


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        • GQR2

          Hardy even said "you are all part of an experiment"
          Perception Management is a game and a goal to them. Time is spent defining their approach and its implemented. There are other "studies" going on as well no doubt. There is no real concern to assess health effects on anything.

          But note that the safety report devotes the first pages demonstrating in a fluster of paper work signed off by everybody but god about the lengths they went to assess the half a dozen worker's health.

          Done deal nothing to see here you Lookie Loos cows turn themselves inside out all the time.


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      • you can run the filters for a week at a time?

        What happens to the filters now, when they are running NON STOP, 24/7, 365 days a year?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Conca..doesn't want to talk ..saturation of filtering material.
    As that is what happens.. with his fishbone material ..leading to decreased absorption.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Here it is ..Stock.
    Repost:

    I noticed this fellow in the documentary posted above.

    Don Hancock.

    I'm going to have to comment in little bits.

    Insight New Mexico – Don Hancock on WIPP Leak
    March 13 2013

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iSawzcKt-k

    Hypothesis and alternate hypothesis..


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    • +1

      Sort of IMPORTANT I would think.

      "Contaminated people went home, testing of their families has not been done."

      "Dozens of more workers may be contaminated."


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    • "This is an ongoing issue!" – Reporter

      "I wish we didn't have this kind of situation, that required this kind of very difficult conversation and a very difficult situation, especially for those PEOPLE who are directly affected by contamination." – Don Hancock

      He speaks distinctly.
      I highly recommend this video.

      IMO – Very accurate information. You can just tell. He knows and he states it like it is.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        I recommend this video highly as well..
        Very concise thought …excellent.

        A materials fire in panel 7..or a heating room ..hot enough to the damage the structural integrity?
        Releases based on collapses and involvement of other materials?


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        • Seriously.

          I wonder 'what is' the worst case scenario at WIPP?
          Anyone ponder a guess?

          Can they seal off the mine, abandon it it and call it a day or do Filters have to swapped out for the next 10,000 years?

          >>What if power fails to the HEPA filters?
          Can underground explosions create cracks?
          How dangerous is swapping out a filter?

          Think really worst case. Hmm…

          Is it possible they might never be able to reenter the mine?
          They certainly can't go in right now. Not even robots. What does that tell you?

          The only thing that 'they' really know for sure right now is that they don't have a clue as to what happened. So saying they can fix it or do anything with it is 'lopsided' speculation.

          It must be nerve wracking to get on camera and admit that this billions of dollars, said to safe, costly monster, has had a CATASTROPHIC EVENT and that they don't even know what happened. How embarrassing is that?

          The only thing they seem to repeat is that a 'little bit' of PLUTONIUM escaped. Oh, and 'some' americium too. Just a couple of times.

          Q: Is storing all this stuff in one a place a good idea?
          A: No place is a good idea, that's the problem with Nuclear waste.

          Nuclear is a nothing but a NIGHTMARE from beginning to end!


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          • combomelt combomelt

            Chasaha-
            Thats why they called it a PILOT program. They have no clue what will happen, so they just wanted to stuff that mine to overflowing with any kind of nuke waste they could find. Russian waste is fair game as long as they pay to have it disposed of, everything is hunky dorey!!.
            Explosions underground? who knows, its a PILOT program, so anything goes, testing out this 2,150ft deep sucker, and seeing if it can hold all this toxic crap we have filled it to the brim with.
            it must really be the height of embarrassment, like you said, to have this multi-billion dollar facility ramped up and receiving hundreds of shipments a month of fuke knows what! It just collapsed too early for them.
            And the Stanford Xenon Gas project is/was a total waste as well. Just pour all that taxpayer $$$ down the nuke shyter, then seal it up and find another salt mine to dump the stuff that can't be dumped now at WIPP.
            I want to go to one of these WIPP town halls. I want to ask questions of these fukeing a-holes until I am blue in the face and that doddering old fool(the mayor?) who runs the show will have to have me forceably removed from the "meeting".
            So sick of the fake blabbering lies of concern….
            "I grew up here…..'
            "I have family here in Carlsbad…..'
            "I'm here because there is no danger…'
            "We are a FAMILY. WIPP is my Family…."
            Oh the humanity, its so sad how much sadness the folks running the facility have had to endure.
            An absolute lack of maintenance and…


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        • Another important observation.

          At the end of the video an 'expert' does a rad detector reading.

          It comes out a bit high, but he reassures everyone that it's just radon.

          What?

          You can't say it's radon unless you test for radon. Well, I guess you can say it, but that does not necessarily make it true.

          People are so gullible sometimes. ;)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS.. He is a board member here.

    http://www.sric.org/index.php

    Scroll down.. nice photo of Bonnie Raitt.


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  • lam335 lam335

    POTR blog says data indicates another WIPP spike on 3/13:

    "ALERT Further Explosions Possible! 4th Radiological Incident At WIPP, Highest Reading Since 2/17/14"

    http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2014/03/alert-further-explosions-possible-4th.html

    The data apparently indicates "a reported Alpha radiation reading of 368 Disintegrations Per Minute [DPM] and 57 DPM's of Beta radiation."

    If they only store Pu and Am, what is the beta coming from?


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  • GQR2

    New Mexico Environmental Dept withdrawing WIPP level 3 permit request.
    This is a good turn of events and goes toward how serious what is happening is and how much WIPP involved managers have been likely minimizing shall we say. At least i think that's what this means.
    check it out.
    http://www.no2wipp.org/?p=1029


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  • Sparky Sparky

    “Out at the plant, most people are gone. The contractor that operates the facility is retraining workers, who will continue to be paid, to help with the decontamination process.”

    How is that possible??? I understood that it's too hot w/PU and Am and ??? to enter the facility. What ever the pay, it is not enough to die for, or poison loved ones and future generations. Shut it down!!!

    http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-opinion/ci_25391371/dave-marks-dangerous-statements-by-scientist-radiation?source=nav


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  • mark_eric

    Here is a slightly more detailed description of the ductwork at WIPP. There are a total of four vents that release air to the environment at WIPP, one main shaft and three auxiliary vents. The three auxiliary vents are essentially pipes with fans on the ends, pulling air out of the facility and releasing it to the environment.

    The fourth vent is the main vent, and can be filtered. It is actually three smaller pipes with fans on them pulling air up the main shaft and out to the environment.

    In normal operation all six vents fans (3 on auxiliaries, 3 on main) are pulling air up and out. If there is a release detected then the main shaft leading to the three small fans is blocked so air can't escape out the main shaft. All auxiliary vent fans are shut off, and only one of the three smaller fans is left on.

    There is a large building which houses the HEPA filters next to all of these vents. There is an air shaft that diverts off of the main shaft and leads into the filtration building. With the main shaft blocked above, once the HEPA filters are opened, the single fan pulls air up the main shaft, through the diversion shaft to the HEPA filters, then sucked through the filters before reaching the main shaft above where it had been blocked. After reaching the main shaft it vents out the single running fan to the environment.

    -continued on next post-


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    -continued from last post-
    I know all of that sounds complex. Here is the shocking thing. None of what I describe is automatic. When the alarm sounded, there are roughly 14 baffles that have to be set BY HAND to shut the airflow off to the auxiliary vents and main shaft, and to turn the airflow on through the HEPA filters.

    Worse, it appears that after the initial release alarm, the three auxiliary vents did not have their baffles closed, although the fans were turned off. This means if there was any reason the gas and air coming up the shaft were higher pressure (because of a fire, for example) some amount of air would have been able to bypass the filter room and vent to the environment.

    Even with the baffles fully closed, the system has a .4 percentage leak, which is why they went around to the three auxiliary vents and filled them full of foam on 2014-03-14. I believe that is when they discovered that the vents hadn't been shut properly.

    I also believe this was why the numbers on what was being picked up by Station B seemed higher than it should. Because some unknown amount of air was venting unfiltered to the environment.

    -continued on next post-


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    -continued from last post-
    Here is a link to the Pearce Town Hall slides which has a detailed schematic of the ductwork. It also has photo of the site which you can zoom into to see the real pipes which correspond to the schematic. http://www.nmenv.state.nm.us/NMED/Issues/WIPP_docs/Pearce_TownHall__Slides.pdf

    Be sure to check out the pictures of workers dealing with the accident. They are standing in an area where it's known that some amount of Plutonium, Uranium, and Americium particles were released to blow around in the open. There are one or two people in blue paper suits, maybe one guy with rubber gloves. T-shirts for everyone else, and bare faces for all. Utter insanity.

    aHEMagain
    Rehypothecate the Eschaton


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    • razzz razzz

      mark_eric: Not sure why you selected two first names or why you expect redoing the end times will result in a different outcome but the only thing lacking in the mine venting drawing is the intake shaft or shafts. Do they bother to filter any incoming air or is like big open loop?

      Other than that, the ducting drawing makes the case for abandoning the mine as all the ducting and fans and filters are radioactively contaminated. By the time a major radiation release is sensed, the entire primary system including fan motors will be contaminated. Divert bad air to the secondary HEPA system and all your vent system is ruined.

      Is there not one fan and motor isolated from bad air somehow by only moving filtered air? Probably not since HEPA filters will not catch all the radiation.

      The radioactive workers who worked the ducting should be called the 'WIPP 13' or however many were left to divert bad air via manipulating the manual dampers.

      Lastly, I wonder if any new radioactive compounds where created when combined with the previous soot coating released during the truck and tire fire event?


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      • mark_eric

        Oh, particularly interesting last question! I can,t remember where I saw this, but I was reading something like a presentation made at a conference on radionuclide chemistry. As you might imagine, aside from the radioactivity of radioisotopes, they frequently behave a little differently in chemical reactions, and the chemicals they form may break down oddly when they reach their "full life". What is the term for when a radioisotope breaks down into it's daughter products?

        They were saying, given that Fukushima released. 600+ different radioisotopes! that the novel chemistry that would be revealed would be astounding. They actually seemed a little excited by the prospect. These were REAL nuts and bolts people though, so you could pick up the horror too.

        I agree, I don't think they will ever use the facility again, and I hope to god they don't go back into the facility in anything less than a full moon suit. There probably is an air intake schematic somewhere which I'd be interested in seeing, but it' snot filtered, that's certain. So yes, miles and miles of contaminated ductwork. I can't imagine it would be feasible to clean it, and if you had to replace it all, you might as well build a new one.

        aHEMagain

        ps: first name, middle name not two first. Stupid, I know, should have just gone for broke and used my last name as well. I also use my handle which I post under at other sites.


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  • mark_eric

    Last post, I promise. There is no ability at WIPP to filter gases, whether they are radioactive or not. I guess they never even considered a fire or criticality possible.

    aHEMagain
    Rehypothecate the Eschaton


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    • Sparky Sparky

      @Mark_eric, Thanks, that was a great explaination, but: Holy Sh*t!! Your last summary statement says it all, "There is no ability at WIPP to filter gases, whether they are radioactive or not."

      Someone please help me to understand this better: So the gases build up to cause an explosion, or are released without any filtration? Given the recent KNOWN and ongoing releases (possibly from fires in the underground WIPP of mixed rad wastes), and the potential for more serious releases and/or explosions: Why aren't they planning and alerting area residents to evacuate?

      I'm afraid this situation can only get worse. :-(


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      • razzz razzz

        About the only way to capture gasses is to run them thru different liquids with different types of chemicals and metallurgical traps to capture the gases by reaction but this is way to expensive of a system meant for a dry nuke waste dumping ground.

        After the 'experimental' storage designation was accomplished other wastes were accepted like liquid nuke wastes. WIPP was not prepared for a nuke fire or nuke reaction or even a nuke liquid spill. Storing used nuke glove wastes is one thing but liquid nuke wastes is a new ballgame.

        Besides the heat from the truck fire must have upset the salt for some reason plus all the soot to deal with didn't help when radiation was released days later.


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    • No ability to MEASURE radioactive gases or VOC's.

      WIPP contains VOC's and chemicals and mixed wastes, which combine all of the above..

      They only measure solid particles.


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  • Sickputer

    +311 m_e :-)

    WIPP bracket analysis for March 21, 2014 (after the Denial of Modification Permit)

    New Mexicans… 311 WIPP Wizards… 0

    Don't Mess with New Mexicans!

    SP: Nasty haze today here 240 miles downwind of WIPP… And yes plutonium particles can traverse the globe by winds swirling up into the jetstream:

    http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif


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  • Sickputer

    Interesting about how much Hanford waste was/is proposed for dumping into the WIPP New Mexico salt caverns:

    "The state of New Mexico has notified the Department of Energy that it will not move forward on the DOE’s request to modify its operating permit for its nuclear waste repository near Carlsbad.

    In a news release Friday, the state said it is closing the comment period on the request until more is known about the recent leak of radioactive material from the Waste Isolation Pilot Project.

    The DOE has requested a formal modification of the state permit so it can ship as much as 3.1 million gallons of radioactive waste from its Hanford site in Washington state to the WIPP."

    http://www.abqjournal.com/372528/abqnewsseeker/state-to-doe-wipp-permit-wont-be-modified-at-least-for-now.html


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    • Don't let them have a place to shite, and they will have to stop shiteing.


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    • mark_eric

      Did you catch that in the initial phase of this accident when all of them thought they'd be up and running in no time, that they planned on continuing (continuing!) selling the salt they mine from the ongoing digging to cattle ranchers?

      aHEMagain


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        • Gasser Gasser

          LED ZEPPELIN
          "Stairway To Heaven"

          First listen to this to get the tipping point gist>

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ovFSEHH_yJw

          ~~~~

          WIPP is a plant that's sure all that Becquerel's is gold
          And their digging a stairway into Hell.

          
When WIPP gets there they know, if the salt dome is closed
          
With lie's they can get what they came for.

          
Ooh, ooh, and their digging a stairway into salt dome Hell.

          There's a warning on the wall, but they aren't to sure
          
'Cause you know political words have two meanings.

          
In a tree by the brook, there's a Geiger counter that CPM sings, 

          All the time, WIPP's greedy thoughts are misgiven.

          
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
          
Ooh, what a FUBAR blunder.

          There's a feeling I get when I look at WIPP, 

          And my spirit is crying for me to be leaving.

          
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through Hepa filters,
          
And the voices of fear of those who standing looking.

          
Ooh, it makes me wonder, 
Ooh, it makes me WTF wonder.

          [Cont]


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          • Gasser Gasser

            [Cont]

            And it's whispered that soon, if enenews call the tune 

            Then commonsense may lead them to reason.

            
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long
            
And the World may echo with laughter.

            If there's Becquerel's in your hedgerow, be alarmed now,
            
It's puff's of Americium that can't be seen.

            
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
            
There's no time left to change the road were on.

            
And it makes us all WTF wonder.

            Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know, 

            The Reaper is calling you to join him,

            
Dear folks, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know 

            Your stairway to Hell is in the Radioactive wind.

            And as we wind on down the road 

            Our shadows taller than our missing souls.

            
There's bad Plutonium we all know
            
Who's Gamma ray shines white light that's to show 


            How everything will turn into black mold.

            
And if you listen very hard 

            The truth will come to you at last.

            
When all are one and one is all
            
To be an enenews'er and not a Pro nuke troll.

            And were building logic and fact to save'em.

            ~Gasser Classic~


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  • Anyone heard anything more about evacuation?
    As far as I know they're not evacuating the nearby towns….!

    Yikes.

    Hopefully some people close by are aware and are evacuating anyway.

    If you might be downwind of this thing, take precautions to avoid exposure.
    I wrote a post about avoiding Fukushima exposure on my blog, but this is a different animal and my suggestions are not sufficient for a close proximity release.
    http://what-the-fukushima.com/avoiding-exposure/

    People well downwind of this should be decontaminating themselves at the door.

    If not just for Fukushima, I'm now convinced that the minimum that all Americans should be doing is taking anti-radiation supplements. There is amazing research showing how much some simple vitamins can help your body protect itself from radiation contamination. See link below if you're interested.
    http://what-the-fukushima.com/supplements-nuclear-radiation-protection/


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  • mark_eric

    On the subject of closing the facility, did you know once they started the initial construction and realized it was a wet salt formation, not a dry formation, not before. They realized it because as soon as they dug a room, the ceiling began to deform.

    So they did a little thinking, bolted metal plates to delay the collapse, and continued on.

    The plan was as each panel was filled, they'd trigger a "controlled collapse" of the room, thus "sealing" the waste away for ever.

    Considering that this collapse was acknowledged to crush the barrels this seems unfathomable that they planned this on purpose. They acknowledge that even the low-level waste continually gives off hydrogen gas, which barrels are designed to vent. Why they would think it all would stay down below once mixed together in a nightmarish soup is beyond me.

    There is pressurized brine below the formation, and a fresh water aquifer above the formation.

    I'm sorry to say that if you live in the area you need to consider that over time, more and more of that material is going to be released to the environment. We're going to need a paradigm p-changing miracle to change that fact. You need to take that into consideration when deciding on your course of action.

    -continued-


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    • Sparky Sparky

      mark_eric, Honestly, I can hardly comprehend the reckless, ruthless stupidity of whoever conceived, designed and permitted WIPP. "There is pressurized brine below the formation, and a fresh water aquifer above the formation" with a "nightmarish soup" of who-knows-what radioactive waste stored in flimsy containers awaiting further "controlled" collapse, possibly hastened by fracking nearby.

      Nothing about WIPP or anything nuclear is controlled: that is the big nuclear LIE. Fuku, Hanford, WIPP, and hundreds of nuclear sites worldwide–all deadly and disabling to all living beings and Earth, forever.

      I hope that there will be a worldwide demand to hold these nuclear criminals accountable. Think Nuremberg Trials with five counts:
      * Conspiracy to wage nuclear;
      * Waging nuclear;
      * Nuclear crimes, including the killing and mistreatment of military personnel and civilians;
      * Crimes against humanity;
      * Crimes against nature (including non-human living creatures) and Earth.

      Between now and the Nuclear Trials (if they ever happen), there will be inevitable nuclear mega-disasters that disrupt, displace, poison and kill. Assuming survivors, the future looks grim.

      I hope we can "Tip It!" before it is too late. I hope it is not already too late.


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  • mark_eric

    -cont from last post-

    Although very soon (if not already) there won't really be much point of moving, because where would you go? However, if we're going to have a chance of coming up with that miracle that will save our jewel if a planet, we're going to need ALL HANDS ON DECK, IMHO, so please plan on sticking around as long as possible.

    aHEMagain
    Rehypothecate the Eschaton


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  • I say the WIPPsters really ought to overcome their childish feelings of shyness and shame now and finally ask the Wanapum staff for help. I mean, those guys brought that that massive concrete dam come back to its senses and fix itself. I assume it's just a piece of cake for them to come over for a visit and teach that puffy salt wimp who's the boss ! Enough is enough; everybody has been much too soft and patient so far. Structure and discipline is the key when it comes to taming that American Waste-Beauty.


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    • Gasser Gasser

      Todays mentality is why we are in deep shit

      We have more schools, more fools
      More healthcare, more death scares
      We spend a lot, on gadgets of value not
      Know a lot more, but can’t even the score
      Got many experts, that give out false blurts
      Folks in College, graduate with less knowledge
      Make war for peace, seeing who can kill the least
      Religious politics, passed by genitals that get licks
      Live longer eating health food, dying in fearful brood
      Pray to a mythical God, receiving a fake spiritual prod
      Split Atom for electricity, to make more useless gadgetry
      Less time for more conveniences, fixing the contrivances
      Spent a lifetime making a living, lost a life by not giving
      Mastering outer space, we screwed up our living place
      We tried to do better things, causing big climate dings
      Voted for secular democracy, got religious theocracy
      Six to one half dozen the other, enemy or brother
      Smile in ones face, cuss’em out in another space
      Borrow money as a slave, spend it for a grave
      Damned if you do, damned if you don’t do
      Nuclear reality, radioactive death a surety
      ~~~Gasser~~~


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Lying and ego flux…

    "I didn't seek out to go to plants that were in special need but I've had an opportunity to do that and based on experience that I've gained, I have a very clear idea of how to do this one," McQuinn said. "It's not because I'm smarter, I've just done it before."

    ""Other (cleanup sites) have been through much worse than this before," he said."

    He can't possible have 'done it before'…because this situation has never happened before.
    Worse than this ..how so?

    WIPP: McQuinn experienced in nuclear waste cleanup efforts
    3/21/2014

    http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-news/ci_25396672/wipp-mcquinn-experienced-nuclear-waste-cleanup-efforts


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Clint Wolfe is executive director of Citizens for Nuclear Technology Awareness, a nonprofit focused on nuclear energy information based in Aiken, South Carolina.

    Citizens for Nuclear Technology Awareness celebrates 20 yearshttp://www.aikenstandard.com/article/20111110/AIK0101/311109986

    Here he is:

    Clint Wolfe: Let the relationship with WIPP resume

    "The bad news is that politicians, anti -nuclear activists and the media latched on to claims of "serious safety concerns," and even turned the prudent act of stopping work to determine the cause of the "puff" into an admission that the facility was unsafe."

    http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-news/ci_25399089/clint-wolfe-let-relationship-wipp-resume

    I guess it doesn't occur to him that a permanent waste repository..isn't supposed to 'puff'..
    No radiation is supposed to be released…EVER.

    PS. The answer is ..NO.
    Go lick an iphone charger!


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  • jec jec

    Going back into ENENEWS archives for this, note the 'executive pronouncement –its fine, no need to modify any documents to add highlevel waste:

    "DOE may, when feasible, characterize some waste at these generator sites under the provisions of the modified WIPP Hazardous Waste Facility Permit that allow characterization based solely on process knowledge and ship that waste directly to WIPP"

    XML document, but shows DOE ignoring state regulation..by 'executive' decision…http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/FR-2008-03-07/E8-4541/mods.xml
    this is a mod to an existing document..but read the abstract..WIPP is the storage location for all this. Basically, DOE says SENT IT TO WIPP..we 'say' the containers are okay for ANY waste.

    Are these the same containers used by YUCCA MT which failed in salt after FIVE years. It was the reason the judge closed down Yucca for a deposit site since the containers were supposed to last 10K year, only lasted 5 years. A little sluthing might be good here…Did WIPP contractor scoop up a little extra junk change by taking the failing containers..??


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    • jec jec

      Fired WIPP contractor Project Manager Farok may need more than a new job if he okayed high level waste in failing Yucca containers to be taken to WIPP. The LLC he is a part of will be perfectly willing to point fingers of blame to cover up their faults..and Farok is low hanging fruit. Prove criminal actions..and I believe the company could be off the hook for damages. Anyone know what would happen?


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      • jec jec

        The 'stew' coming out is NOT low level waste, no way all the plume materials were tools, clothing and such.

        DOE needs to do a bit of firing of THEIR management–and political appointees from the Adminisration's Plum Book! The Plum Book gives the President power to appoint his friends and donors to heads of DOE, EPA..State Department etc etc. POTUS has certainly done a poor job — the WIPP mess and ignoring the dangers of radiation from Fukushima is a terrible example!


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    • jec jec

      From the document: " Under this amendment to its Record of Decision (ROD), DOE intends to send both contact-handled (CH) and remote-handled (RH) transuranic (TRU) waste from certain generator sites as needed to the Idaho National Laboratory (INL) to be treated and characterized prior to the shipment to the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) for disposal".c..waste from LLNL, Argon, Hanford WA, Savannah etc. HOT HOT Waste..put into containers in Idaho INL processing plant..or if newer than 6 months(whatever that means) it can go directly to WIPP.
      And then this killer:
      "Based on the SA, DOE has determined that a supplement to the WM-PEIS or a new EIS is not needed." With a pen stroke…..deadly PU plumes spread over several states…

      Documents referring to all this are available thru DOE see the xml document link above. News organizations should get this info and USE it! Public safety has been ignored. If I was a Congressman or Senator in New Mexico, I would be pissed!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Sure..they were just about to 'dump' all from all the major..nuclear production sites.
    Extra money to 'dump' it all?..you bet.

    Don Hancock mentioned..and I wonder also..if other chemicals/materials have been stored along with the nuclear waste.

    It's 'dump'..
    Nothing more nothing less..well..except for some experimental areas.
    And most likely one of the reasons ..they want to get down there so badly.
    Can you hear me ..Clint Wolfe?
    IT'S A 'DUMP".


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    • jec jec

      Heart–just what was in those other sites whose waste was 're-classified' by DOE?'
      DOE may, when feasible, characterize some waste at these generator sites under the provisions of the modified WIPP Hazardous Waste Facility Permit that allow characterization based solely on process knowledge and ship that waste directly to WIPP..addition, TRU waste from Babcock and Wilcox (BW) (Lynchburg, VA), and NRD L,L,C, (NRD) (Grand Island, NY), will also be moved to INL to be treated and characterized prior to shipment to WIPP for disposal.
      What devils brew occurred?


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    The everyday radiation down swirl is a direct result of refusal to admit that nuclear is a failure, a lie, and a death trap. The learning curve seized but the suffering curve is elevated due to the false introduction curve which was extended under the pretense of being a perfection of the learning curve. The introduction is over.


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    • GQR2

      very interesting acd,this company WCS takes waste from 36 states. Betcha they take every kind under the sun. At least they tried to avoid any water sources but surely there is a lot of fracking around the area?
      They are politically connected, in business since 89'
      there no end to the Nuclear Waste.
      gaah. :(


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  • http://www.wmsym.org/archives/1983/V1/17.pdf
    within that document new mexico trades its veto power over the WIPP location of waste for 64 million dollars, that's why they just suck it up and grin at the capitol. trading your lives for their lies.
    EEG was a front group set up as a "public opposition group" that signed off on the project in spite of the known risks.
    hope stock can add this to the nuke pro site of it isn't already there.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Here comes hero worship..as the workers are being sent to find out what the state of the supposed permanent repository is in.

    "All underground personnel will don three sets of protective clothing and a closed-circuit air system so they are not exposed to radioactive particles but the layers present heat stress concerns for the workers according to Bryan."

    "For example, Bryan said, if the closed air circuit for a rescue team member fails, that person should remove their helmet because suffocation poses a greater and more immediate threat of death than breathing in radioactive particles underground"

    WIPP: Radiation leak investigation is a 'balance of risks'
    March 22 2014

    http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-news/ci_25402724/wipp-radiation-leak-investigation-is-balance-risks

    Oh.. yay…if you can't breathe..take off the mask..die later.
    Sorry… no idolizing of the 'clean up' crew.


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    • jec jec

      But, Heart, there is no risk..its been vented and its safe anyway..per WIPP! So they should be fine, right? (sarcasm).

      You can not have your cake and eat it too..either its walls and floors/ceiling are contaminated and the air is contaminated.. or nothing is contaminated. Since radiation is still puff puffing away, via the vents in 'EXPECTED' releases, the air is not safe its HOT!. On the releases, EXPECTED means they just open the vents and check or change filters, so to sound in control, WIPP and DOE use media management techniques.


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    • jec jec

      Heart, this is a must read. "workers will ride the salt shaft cage down into the mine and inspect the cables and integrity of the shaft on the way down." Just how safe is someone in an elevator if they do not know how strong the cables are? What about a robot first?? With a heavy weight?


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  • What is three layers of blue paper suits going to do, that one layer cannot do?

    Beta and gamma radiation down there will cut through that like a hot knife and soft butter.


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  • jec jec

    And then there is the North Anna Nuclear Plant, Richmond VA with its dry cask storage issues. VEPCO (similar to TEPCO) is petitioning to move the casks. See:
    http://nuclearpower.einnews.com/article/196294379/8gzY66AUK1ef_nJM?n=1&code=L2MTF8VQQG7a5Tvq


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    • jec jec

      "Post-earthquake shift of dry-cask storage casks poses no significant risk, Dominion says" Does this sound familiar? Hummmmm…


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      • jec jec

        Media wordsmithing..first..only several dry cask storage containers were affected..then they mention
        Twenty-five of the 27 casks on Pad No. 1 of the Independent Spent Fuel Storage Installation (ISFSI) “showed indication of slight movement from pre-earthquake positions

        Gee..even for my poor math skills that is 25/27 or close to 100% of all the casks!!! And then they moved more than a little..what about the difference from 15'2" to 16 11". Over a foot in some if not all cases. I would take a good look at elevation data, and more as the concrete base is key to keeping casks stable. Guess VEPCO needs to justify prior to relicensing.


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  • jec jec

    And now our President has okayed shipping Plutonium from JAPAN for disposal in the USA. What site are they planning to use? See:
    "Japan to send plutonium to US for disposal"
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140323_05.html

    With WIPP out of action, where are these dangerous radioactive materials to be stored, and HOW DO THEY GET THERE?

    As I fondly remember from WWII…NUTS.


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    • jec jec

      To"promote cooperation for the common goal of preventing nuclear terrorism". Heck,they don't need to worry about terrorism,They have TEPCO, Hanford, and WIPP. Both seem to be doing a great job in releasing dangerous radiation on the public, just like any run-of-the-mill terrorist organization!


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  • razzz razzz

    jec: All good points and links you posted. It's more like follow the money, political monies.

    With no rule of law, fines are just a cost of doing business when a companies can still show profits after paying out assessments and no worries about jail time.

    Nuke dumping is another money making proposition (scheme) except it is a deadly one to people and the environment.


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  • jec jec

    New Mexico withdraws permits for WIPP expansion!!!!
    http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-news/ci_25396673/state-withdraws-permit-wipp-expansion

    Its stopped the permit process until a better understanding (facts? data on radiation) are made available to both the government and the public.

    Wonder where the PU from Japan is going to get stuck? Hanford,WA like the USS Ronald Reagan's contaminated equipment and steell? Wanapum Dam is still an issue..that crack shows an old part..but a lot of NEW cracks. Water levels are dropped 26 ft which affects upriver dams and fisheries. Not good, and not good to put more junk in storage there. LLNL for storage, NOPE, DOE has been told to get the contaminated mess OUT OF THERE. So what does that leave? Would love to be a fly on the wall. Can OBAMA make an exectutive decision to to override the State of NM and continue to use WIPP or other closed sites? Someone needs to keep out a careful eye on this..


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