Officials: Flyover confirms massive collapse zone at Louisiana sinkhole (PHOTOS)

Published: November 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 am ET
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See hi-resolution photos posted today by the parish here

Title: Parish, Texas Brine continue size dispute
Source:  The Advocate
Author: David J. Mitchell
Date: November 02, 2012

Assumption Parish officials said a helicopter flight over a sinkhole east of the Bayou Corne community confirmed on Thursday their estimate of how much territory the slurry-filled hole swallowed Tuesday. [...]

November 1, 2012

John Boudreaux, director of the parish Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said he produced his estimate with a pre-collapse, ground-based photograph of the site and Google Earth-based mapping software that used aerial photographs of the site before and after the collapse, which occurred at 4:45 p.m. Tuesday.

He said with the newly available aerial photographs taken Thursday, he was able to verify those measurements — roughly an area 300 feet along the eastern bank and 100 feet inland [an American football field is 300 feet by 160 feet]— are accurate within 10 feet for the irregularly shaped collapse zone.

The widest part extends about 110 feet inland. The narrowest is about 88 feet, for example. [...]

Texas Brine officials noted in public statements that the floor [of the collapsed salt cavern] rose another 10 feet recently. [...]

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Published: November 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 am ET
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45 comments to Officials: Flyover confirms massive collapse zone at Louisiana sinkhole (PHOTOS)

  • Radio VicFromOregon

    Markww, i know you will be reading this article, so i want to take a moment and say to you that i hope the hell you are completely, absolutely wrong about the methane layer and the fault line in this region, and each time i read the next latest eery development in this sinkhole, i wish this more and more! You have deep and profound concern for the safety of all these people, strangers to you, but, nonetheless, you are an emergency responder, and if now retired, a volunteer one. I know no one here wants you to be wrong more than you do yourself. But, if you're right, i hope to hear your voice on that ham radio giving out information and directions to clean drinking water and shelter all the way to Oregon cuz the refugees will have to head north. My work schedule is changing and i won't be able to blog here much anymore, but, i will e keeping a eye on this sinkhole and looking into those theories more closely. Thanks for providing them. Should you ever decide to get a different geological perspective been farther out than ours, check into the Expand ing Earth theories. They are elegant, probably far more accurate, and, well, can be a very different view when seeing he continents as rooted to the magma core. That might go with your thoughts quite well. Start with Neal Adams video clips. Fasten your seatbelt and be prepared to be blown away.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi VicFromOregon

      I hope you will still pop in here when you have the time, always like to read what you write.

      I hear the chanting of the posters here..No Don't Go..No Don't Go.

      Stay safe and good wishes to you. Thank You.


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          And, there you are, Mack. I may have already said, but, you keep gently pushing us to go all the way to the line. Many readers may only put a toe in, others waist deep, and you remind us that we are not just trying to stop nuclear energy, but, create a new society as well. All movements, to be successful, require a few who will keep reminding people that they still have a ways to go and that we're all getting there together. I appreciate that when discussion veers into heavy opinion, you also remind us to look for the facts.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        WindSolarPlease, thanks! Some will miss me and others are already cheering my departure ;-) . I will drop back by often but won't always have time to blog. I'm glad to find a recent post of yours so that i can say thank you in return. Whenever i read your posts, i imagined the 7ooo+ and counting readers who kept getting exposed to your reminders about new technologies. You keep asking us to have a conscience, and see the possibilities of renewables. It's not just about antinukes for so many here now, but, about expanding our concerns to other forms of energy, and you've been a great part of that dialogue and making that possible. What i've always enjoyed seeing was the "please" in your name and grateful to you for helping to balance out those of us who forget to ask.


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    • Maggie123

      VicFromOregon – your familiar sign-on, always a promise of thoughtfulness both technical and contemplative, feels a loss aleady! As WindorSolarPlease says: Stay safe, good wishes, and thank you.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Maggie123, i hope you found my post for you. It's somewhere on the off-topic blog. If you and yours get tired of dry farming, there's always the challenge of Oregon and farming in rain. Any who wish to check in sometime can find me on facebook. I rarely go there but i get a prompt if someone knocks. Look me up under Vicki Neland.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    There is more bad news in these photos. A clear view of the gap in the trees that runs from the pipeline right-of-way to the service road. This area seems to be widening over time, and the path is full of water. Looks as if the sinkhole is expanding rapidly in the direction of the two tanks. There is now standing water on the sinkhole side of the two tanks. This area has been dry until now. Means this area is sinking. Suggest they take the precaution of emptying those tanks in case they go into the sink hole. Also, they should now remove equipment from the parking lot adjacent to the sinkhole, as it will probably go soon.

    Markww, second Vic's comments. My biggest concern is that butane from one of those 3 caverns nearby suddenly releases through the sinkhole, mixes with air, and finds an ignition source. Over 1 1/2 million barrels in each cavern. Would be an unbelievably large explosion and fire.

    Vic, many thanks for your insights here. We will miss you. Perhaps you will find time to keep up a presence here.


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      "…This area has been dry until now. Means this area is sinking…"

      Dry since spring of this year, but that area (like most other low-lying areas) are periodically underwater. The water level is generally high in winter – its a combination of rain and tides. The water level has been so low this year that it seems unusually high right now – but really isn't.

      The pipeline right-of-way was mostly open water for much of the year. It's slowly (over years) been filling in. The bayou water has been low, so much so this year that the R/W looks like dry land with grass.

      There is some very slow subsidence in the general area. Obviously more close to the sinkhole. The area around the tank pad is usually marshy or boggy. They had to bring in gravel and fill to *make* the tank pad and all the dirt roads on the property. If you see those surfaces going underwater, then you have some major subsidence. They were built around 4' above sea level. The water in the area is maybe 2.5' above sea level right now.


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      • Lion76 Lion76

        Do the trees usually fall into the water holes every year?

        What about when they showed a vehicle driving right over the previous pipeline area in earlier photos and videos?

        You sound really shilly to me.


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          Lion, I understand from previous conversations that many of the trees are evergreens, but don't quote me. I have never seen a video or comment about annual tree diving contests in LA but if a tree falls in the water and no one is there to hear it, does it make a splash? I think paveway described how the water table is lower in the summer, was the video you referred to taken during the summer?

          I have only been following this site since the sinkhole started acting up but that is long enough to know Paveway III is no shill. He simply gave us some background about the areas seasonal changes and the way the roads were built up for development of the sinkhole, I mean salt dome.. yes salt dome. :)

          Thanks Paveway, I have never visited Louisiana and I had no idea that the water table behaved that way! I had noticed they built up the road which is/will be terminated (lol) by the sinkhole and I have always felt nervous for the guy operating the heavy equipment perched at the end of it.

          I mean no disrespect to the people in the way of this disaster with my humor. That is just how I respond to tragedy overload and I apologize in advance.


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        • PavewayIII PavewayIII

          "…Do the trees usually fall into the water holes every year?…"

          WTF is up with your sarcasm, Lion76? This is in the middle of the South Louisiana bayou. Dig down a few feet anywhere and there's water. PhilipUpNorth remarked about standing water between the tanks and sinkhole. There has always been water in the square area around the tank pad and the 'crack' has had standing water on an off. Look at Google Earth or the old SONRIS imagery. Everything around the sinkhole is sliding into it and going underwater. That doesn't magically make this area 'never was a salt marsh'.

          "…What about when they showed a vehicle driving right over the previous pipeline area in earlier photos and videos?…"

          What's your point – it was dry this summer and its not now? Or are you saying that all the water in the R/W in this image could only have been caused by the sinkhole?

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/assumptionoep/8116447633/in/photostream/

          "…You sound really shilly to me…"

          What sort of odd religion do you follow that is so easily threatened by someone offering information? Should I email you all my posts so you can censor out comments you consider 'pro-sinkhole' or whatever your deal is?


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        PavewayIII, i've really appreciated you sharing your knowledge on this sinkhole mechanics as clearly and thoughtfully as you have. You also accepted disagreement gracefully despite knowing that few of us know hardly enough to disagree! Thanks! Vivvi jumped in there, too, many times, razzz, markww, and others and together i finally got a sense that i have no idea what the heck is going in that sinkhole!


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      PhilipUpNorth, i will be reading as often as i can and blogging when i'm able. I enjoyed your presence here, too, and the depth of your knowledge and concern. If your avatar is reflective of where you live, you must be up in the most beautiful regions of Canada close to the glacial lakes near Banff or such? You always questioned, always, and that reminded me to keep approaching all this from the perspective of wondering and not just from unquestioning certainty. Thank you.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Vic your insight and concern for others and our entire planet's health will be missed and the "Expanding Earth Theory" is a very wise theory.

    This "Expanding Earth Theory" is the only one that makes any sense.

    But then again, we live in a world where "good sense" is not something we promote as a normal thought process on our Planet Earth or inside the surreal Zeitgeist created.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      obewanspeaks, hurray! You know about the expanding Earth theory, too, and see the elegance and clarity of it. It is, after all, the way of the force. What an insight for me to see the current geological theories and how far off science can get when they follow profit and not their own observations and measurements. That every NASA measurement of the ocean floors erases the growth measurements in order to match current theory of a static planet size, should say it all. And they think nothing of it other than they must be making manual corrections to the data because it doesn't fit the model. Well, anyway, i've always wanted to make a cob house like Obewan's. You are as sage as your avatar and i have enjoyed reading your posts even if we rarely exchanged. The force be with you…

      The red pill everyone – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ
      http://www.jamesmaxlow.com/main/


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Hi Vic , that is Fascinating ! new food for tought , this pleace offers soo much . But i see compatibilities with a cooking universal life theory so yes its interesting.
        Thank You for being a intellegent, sensitif and very civilised teacher , and sry if i offended you and others like that by being a bad student regarding civilised , probably often also sensitif . A lot of that comes from lack of energy or oxigen to maintain high level above my head when stressed.
        I have posts on this site that i worked 20 hours non stop for to create in english , sometimes i'm done in seconds pro post or paragraf , guess it shows . And sometimes ( a lot ) i don't now how to start/finish at all , so i move on and forget . Sry again all .

        I hope you jump back in whenever you can .
        Respect !


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Oh, thank you so much DID. I just loved your and Maggie's discussion on awareness and self empowerment. You write and think out loud beautifully. I could tell the time and thought you put into your posts. I will definitely be checking in. I'm just facing some time constraints and having to reprioritize a few things around for a bit, but enenews and everyone here, and the chance to discuss such vital issues and share the frustration, the fears, and the hope, too, has been so important to me. By the way, i enjoy your ever changing avatars ;-) . Be well. oh, and i see you as teacher and student both. I love the phrase – none of sits at the other's feet.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    What's happening to the US..We have radiation from Fukushima, The Gulf Disaster, Louisiana Sinkhole, New York disaster, New Jersey disaster, Old Nuclear Plants in trouble, economy, and so on.
    Is this Country is falling apart?


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Global warming, the arctic ice is due to be gone by 2015 which will really inundate NYC if they do not plan ahead. I don't know if it is too late to avoid future disasters but I really hope Mittens does not get elected as he does not believe in global warming and I don't trust him. JMHO


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      • ObviouslyObvious

        Global warming? Please review IN DEPTH the info at iceagenow.com – Arctic ice is increasing not retracting. Read the references, look at the statistics, charts, scientific data. In other words, don;t take my post or anything at the site at face value. The FACTS and science is available all over the place.


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          ObviouslyObvious, seems like a lot of folks have recently come to enenews to share the word that burning fossil fuels is great and good for business. I don't expect the sentiment to travel too far here, though. But, i encourage you to go back and review that website and any others like it. My trouble with that site is that it, like so many similar places, leaves out most of the collected data and only presents very selected examples. For instance, surface ice at the poles will, indeed, increase and decrease. That is expected to be so until gradually it doesn't rebuild at the same rate as it melts. No one really knows exactly how fast this will take and the reasons that climatologist even offer a time guess is because the consequences for our societies may be very drastic. The issue of glacial melt is mostly above the bottom ice, which is melting at a different rate than surface ice, and land ice melting at different rates tan sea ice.


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          con't – So, to select such narrow examples, and only the examples that support a certain claim – that everything is normal – is to be less than truthful. Things are not "normal". Please, take ALL the evidence at your disposable, not just a small selection, take the parts that conflict, too, and see where it takes you. Go to sites that disagree with each other and reach your own conclusions. Scientists have arrived at their conclusions very grudgingly. It has taken decades to get them to even consider the notion of global warming. As i see it, the goal of refuting global warming claims is usually supported by the fossil fuel industry and a belief that America must continue to burn hydrocarbons to maintain her world dominance since the more a society consumes energy, the stronger is appears to be in world politics. It is based upon a fear that alternatives will not allow for that dominance ad that the standard of living will diminish along with the economy. These are all good discussions to have about using energy and what kinds, but…


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          It's not only about ice surface – it's also about thickness, which isn't as obvious…look what NASA has to say
          http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html

          Complex, huh?


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          con't…even if they somehow didn't contribute to global warming, and i don't see how that is possible that they do not, the burning of hydrocarbons does tremendous health damage to the world. All the asthma and cancers from burning it, the wars and wasted money in politics, the pollution of the air and water, it's basic incompatibility with life at the rates we are using it still argue for seeking alternatives and leaving it in the ground sequestered as the balance of the biosphere dictates. Coal launched the Industrial Revolution, oil launched America ahead of everyone else, now it is dwindling and in 50 to 100 years, we will all be back to coal, ad then, at some point, we will need to seek out new forms of energy. So, why not seek out those alternatives now to make a cleaner, healthier world, perhaps a world where no one country gets to dominate the resources. A very different world. So, for me, it's not just about the Earth warming and addressing that, it is about replacing fossil fuels with something better, something that can lead to a fairer, more just and equable world.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    You're doing a Great Job Corporations in putting waste in salt Domes, building monster plants that you can't control, drilling letting the methane pour out creating cracks. You must really want to change our environment.

    New World = No Man Zone


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  • ocrapicu812

    the ignition source is automaticly there via rapid gas escaping causeing heat on rough surfaces as it is forced by. Ever put your thumb over a high presure air chuck? it gets hot and will burn you. same idea hear. when the liquid finds an avenue to escape it will just be a loud roar and a boom. those around it wont even hear the boom because the out rushing wave will have vaporized them first. that much fuel will level 100s of miles from the blast zone.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Agree ocrapicu812, that could happen.

      Some say earth is getting larger, that's ok humans can change that. (sarc)


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      • ocrapicu812

        ive heard nothig of the earth getting bigger . I have however heard that the cost is sinking and there may be evidence to support it or at least that a large section is getting ready to slide. Im no exspert but ive seen the impact creator scan of the gulf sea floor. that astroid hit at an angle directed back under the northamerican plate so that whole section underneith the sand and what not is like a shelf. add in 3 million barrels of missing b.p oil which I think seeped into the deep fracures from the impact and you have lube . add in the fault running into the crator and you now have a recipe for the biggest disaster in modern times. seems far fecthed i know but look at research along cosal areas and there is eveidence of mega slides both where the slide occured and also from the sunami accross from the slide. there are actualy more then people really know unless your a knowage hound or geoligist. this is a very plausable senerio.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        13 mm a year is pretty slow expansion. We could probably out walk it. ;-) Give it several hundred million years and it really adds up!


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  • arclight arclight

    dound this interesting//

    Louisiana Sinkhole? -Gulf Stream Shift Linked to Methane Gas Escaping from Seabeds

    “The new work could reinvigorate a debate on the risk of methane release from the oceans and whether destabilized hydrates make the continental slopes more unstable”

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/02/louisiana-sinkhole-gulf-stream-shift-linked-to-methane-gas-escaping-from-seabeds/


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Good read Arclight! One thing that it did not address however was the effect of the millions of barrels of hot crude released by the Macando well mishap. I think it is very likely that the multi miles wide (something like 5 by 15 miles I think) bubble formed in the sea floor after the well blow out was caused by the crude heating the solid methane compounds. I also think it is possible for that gas and crude under very high pressure to follow porous layers in the gulf impact crater right up and under the continental shelf. 200 miles in 2 years is nothing for gas at never before seen pressures. Of course, only my opinion.


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      • arclight arclight

        hi 16Penny
        i noticed we had a very cool summer with lots of cloud cover and little rain in the uk.. wonder if the gulf stream isnt quite making it over to europe?

        but the article does pose some questions… global warming making oil prospecting dangerous? what about the arctic and the northern russian tundra?

        interesting times..

        peace


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        So, at least the experts are admitting that they are stumped.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        @16Penny, i don't know enough to really evaluate your hypothesis, but, it sounds pretty reasonable to me. And, if isn't coming from that far away, and making its way from a closer source, even other nearby wells or caverns, no one is claiming the oil as theirs, and the only forensic match that i recall reading about was a definite match to the Macondo oil well. Curiouser and curiouser. I feel so sad for the people and wildlife there. I really don't understand why a larger evacuation hasn't be declared given the amount of methane, or even the fact that the sinkhole is widening with no understanding as to why. Maybe, though they haven't much idea what is going on, they still feel confident this will be contained to the salt dome cavern. No reason to think that as far as i can see, though i suppose no reason to think it will spread, accept for all that extra methane bubbling a few miles one way or another, the fact that it spreads further each day, and the fact that the soil, as you pointed out, is quite porous and permeable in places for miles and miles.


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    No nukes, No Fossil !


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Sinkhole comment – Last night there was a youtube posting that has now been removed by ?? that I thought I would share. A lady had found a pdf file purchase order from the state of louisianna wherein it was an order form dated a couple days ago to a printing company in New York that prints their legal documents like land deeds,death certificates,birth certificates and such with watermarks and so on. Anyway it was an order for 200,000 death certificates to be used from a period dating if I remember correctly like 3 months ago to a year and a half from now. I know people die and for an entire state mabey that is normal bit it sure seemed like a high amount. She scrutinized the thing pretty thoroughly – seemed legit to me. Does anyone else find that strange? So I just googled the population of louisianna and divided that be the gov website mortality rate which resulted in an average yrly death rate of 36,315 annually. I smell a rat. How bout you guys?


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Thanks – I built this – Louisianna 200k death certs ordered link


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