Officials: More may be affected by WIPP radiation release — TV: They don’t know how serious it is or how it affects community; Could take months to fix leak — CBS: Ceiling collapse or punctured canister suspected; Still in ‘guinea pig’ stage; EPA monitors requested in area (VIDEO)

Published: February 27th, 2014 at 11:02 pm ET


ABC 7 Albuquerque KOAT, Feb. 27, 2014 at 8:27p ET:

  • KOAT: Officials at Carlsbad’s nuclear waste dump facility say they’re working to find out what’s causing a radiation leak. […]
  • Joe Franco, DoE Official: “Around 5am yesterday 13 of our employees who were on site the night of February 14th were notified they tested positive for radiological contamination”
  • KOAT: And now, there may be more affected.
  • Farok Sharif, WIPP Project Manager: “We have identified additional employees who were onsite the morning of February 15th”
  • KOAT: Those employees were allowed back into the facility because radiation detectors hadn’t identified a problem yet. Officials encourage those workers to get tested. […] They’ll figure out how to safely fix the leak in order to bring the facility back into full operations. But the timeline on that could take months.

KOAT, Feb. 27, 2014: Source of WIPP leak could be container, officials say […] “They don’t know just how serious this is right now, how this affects the employees, their family and the community. They still need to do more testing.”

CBS, Feb. 27, 2014: Elevated radiation levels have been detected in the air around the plant, but officials have said the readings are too low to constitute a public health threat. […] Don Hancock, director of the Nuclear Waste Safety program at the Southwest Research and Information Center, said the fact that the workers were exposed raises questions about those claims. “The WIPP systems right now are in the guinea pig stage […] they have never been tried.” […] Officials said […] a container of waste leaked, but it could be weeks before they can get underground to find out what caused it. Possible scenarios include a ceiling collapse or a forklift puncturing a canister, Farok Sharif, president of the Nuclear Waste Partnership, said […] Sen. Tom Udall, D-N.M., said he will send the Environmental Protection Agency a letter Thursday requesting that they bring portable air monitors to the area.

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Published: February 27th, 2014 at 11:02 pm ET


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  • KidIcarus KidIcarus

    I'm getting WIPPlash…

    • skizexq skizexq

      or, as they used to say in Wa State's Satsop County (and around the state some while ago…)
      DOomed from the start and never opened, how we wish they all could have been…now Hanford snubbing us all in the region with firings of whistleblowers…

      • skizexq skizexq

        They may have well shot this scene from 'Brazil' at that dreary place:

        "Is It Safe?" ( to qoute another movie)

          • 21stCentury 21stCentury

            good one skizexq 🙂

            You bring back a flood of old memories from the bad old days…
            I was one of the original Satsop/WPPSS no-nukers.
            I invested several years of 24/7 hardwork campaigning to bring Satsop/WPPSS to a halt.
            Burned up 3 motorcycles and 5 cameras keeping the dream alive..
            still have a box of slides somewhere, maybe??
            I still own property near Satsop.
            Today it's an interesting roadside attraction.
            I have some amazing innovative uses for the old cooling towers, maybe someday I'll getta-round-toit.

            • skizexq skizexq

              Good for you (and us in WA), 21st, so glad they never went online. What an expensive boondoggle.
              Thanks for doing something to stop it.
              That place still is creepy whenever I go through that neck of the woods.

              More just out re: WIPP in N.M., from Veterans Today:
              The Carlsbad Bomb making garbage dump is on fire. The burning radioactive metal does not go away, it turns to dense black radioactive smoke. The black smoke is very obvious in the daytime and it streamed from several ventilator shafts during a fire at the dump two weeks ago.

              The shafts were then closed and the visible smoke kept underground. Plutonium does not need oxygen to burn and escaped anyway. The HEPA filters are not good enough to contain the very small Plutonium particles; that’s because nothing is. The fire very well could still be burning Plutonium and Uranium in the salt mine.

              The special Bomb making isotopes catch fire easily and burn at unearthly high temperatures – nothing can contain a fire in the underground garbage dump. Since Uranium and Plutonium burn at higher temperatures than rock salt, there is a remote possibility the underground dump itself is on fire.

              more here:

        • We're all in it together 😉

          I'm afraid while being treated by the acid man Dr. Chapman of the NRC, the WIPP site is going to end up like good old Mrs Terrain. That is its complication will have a little complication…

          "Really, Ida – just because his techniques are revolutionary; I don't go around calling Dr Jaffe the knife man !"

          Thank God the official guys from WIPP and the Ministry of Information Retrieval and the other authorities in charge don't make mistakes, right ?


          P.S. Have you got a 27b-6 ?

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            You're all still slaves, but you will be spared the horror of crucifixion as long as you give up the identity of the man named Spartacus.

            I'm Spartacus! Wait, I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Sparticus.

            Safety in numbers, yes?

            Also known as presenting a united front.

  • vital1 vital1

    This was sent to me by Leuren Moret, and has given permission to publish it.

    Hi Peter – I want you to know that I worked as a geochemist at Livermore Nuke Lab 1989-91 on the WIPP project. DOE spent about $2.5 billion dollars developing a “package” (canister) for the low level nuclear waste intended for the pilot study at WIPP. After 5 years in the Permian salt formation, the packages/canisters were brought back to Livermore nuke lab, along with the same canisters used to store rad waste at Yucca Mtn in Nevada. The bacteria in the “mines”, as they are referred to at Livermore, had eaten the special metal alloy canisters IN FIVE YEARS and left the nuclear waste.

    They STILL after 50 years have no way to safely store their radioactive waste. $2.5 billion later, a Judge in Washington DC about 5 years ago, ordered the Yucca Mtn. project be scuttled with all their fraudulent science. He told them to throw it all out and start from scratch if they wanted to pursue it. He also told them that the National Academy of Sciences had recommended that the waste must be guaranteed to be safely stored for 200,000 years. The Yucca Mtn. project ignored that non-negotiable requirement and said it would be safely stored for 10,000 years. They could not even store it safely for 5 years.

    • vital1 vital1

      The Judge ruled on the case and threw the Yucca Mtn. project into the
      nuclear garbage can.

      The entire project at WIPP and at Yucca Mtn. were science fraud at the
      beginning, the end, and in the middle.


      • vital1 vital1

        Report at Nuke Pro – WIPP Busted Dead to Rights, they WERE Storing High Level Waste WIPP (25th February 2014)


        I caught the former director of CEMRC (2004 to 2010) bragging about how the facility has 100,000 cubic meters of waste. "Some fairly high level (>7ci/liter), hotter than anything left in the Hanford tanks"

      • vital1 vital1

        HIGH RISK of New Large Plutonium Release! 'Stabilization Efforts' Indicative of Explosion Damaged Ventilation System!

        PotrBlog report 27th February 2014 – report


        "Previously we stated: "We believe that it is unlikely that the DOE WIPP site has Air Filtration systems capable of surviving an explosion."

        • razzz razzz

          That makes sense. It would be like having a criticality in a spent fuel pool, there are no control rods to insert to stop it.

          Doubt they planned on having a 'reaction' in a salt mine. The air filtration system was probably never meant to handle a radioactive fire.

          I'm thinking the entire mine is a write off if they couldn't filter out every speck of radiation during a fire. Nuke plants just vent up the tall stack to atmosphere to keep the site workable or approachable, where do you vent trapped radioactive smoke in a mine without contaminating everything in site?

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Good question
            In a hardrock mine you can wash it, some mines have 'bolted roofs' with steel/concrete reinforcement.

            Open salt??? I think your screwed. To absorbent, they would have to scale the entire area.

            It is the DOE though, bottomless wallet.

            Q. What is a mine?
            A. A hole you throw money in.

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            "It would be like having a criticality in a spent fuel pool, there are no control rods to insert to stop it."

            Good idea. It should be mandatory. Spent fuel control rods.

    • Angela_R

      "They still after 50 years have no where to store their nuclear waste."
      And yet they failed to pursue neutralization. Now we have nuclear waste and a fire in an underground salt mine. At 800 degrees salt melts. What happens when salt melts?
      Where are the chemists? The MOST important specialists for this industry. They would have told…

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Vital1, I worked on the Yucca Mtn. Seismic Studies Project. It was my understanding back in 1995 the project managers at DOE were only aiming to assure the safety of the stored waste for 10,000 years. If that criterion for design "passed" then the project (given there were no major issues) could go forward.

      100,000 years or 200,000 years was a desirable safety margin. 10,000 years of safety with a reasonable assurance of no accidents was always the benchmark by which the success of the project design would be measured.

      I'm not sure whether or not that judge made the right decision, given there is no facility to replace Yucca Mtn. at present. But the DOE SHOULD IMO be thinking in terms of 200,000 year windows of safe storage.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Please don't quote me on that. It has been close to 20 years since I worked there, but I recall 10,000 years was some sort of benchmark for "success."

  • Nigwil

    So the filters that caught the emissions are say 99.97% effective, yet 13 people who were above ground received doses of enough for it to register on body scans some days later.

    What does that say about the levels in the atmosphere around the plant that must have persisted for some time? What does it say about the levels within area??

    "…the timeline … could take months…" More like half a million years!!!

    • vital1 vital1

      WIPP Is No Safe Haven For Nuclear Materials – 21st January 2011


      "In essence, if water manages to penetrate whatever protection the materials are being afforded, then radioactive isotopes can be carried away to be deposited in one of the many aquifers that serve the drinking and agricultural water needs of New Mexico. As for the protection around the materials themselves, that consists of ordinary steel drums, suitable for storage in non-oxidising environments, but not suitable for any environment that would result in corrosion. As a paper written for the Sandia Laboratories – a government owned facility – states:"

      "According to a study of comprehensive well records for nine townships around the WIPP site (Broadhead et al. 1995), 532 wells had been drilled in search of oil and gas by the end of 1993. Few wells had been drilled in the area prior to 1960. Between 1960 and 1989, drilling activity increased but was sporadic and never exceeded 20 wells per year. Since 1990, however, drilling has increased markedly, with annual totals increasing to a maximum of 140 wells in 1993. This increase has been partially attributable to the opening of previously restricted areas of the Potash Area to drilling. Most of these wells were drilled into the Brushy Canyon Formation of the Delaware Mountain Group."

      • vital1 vital1

        A lot more commercial wells drilled after this report was written, look at Google earth.

        "Three commercial wells have been drilled for oil and gas within the boundaries of the WIPP Land Withdrawal Area. Two vertical wells were drilled within the area during the 1970s; neither one became a producing well. A third well was drilled in 1982 from a location outside of the WIPP Land Withdrawal Area. The well was drilled at an angle underneath the area to intercept gas in the Atoka Formation and is currently commercially productive."

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        What nincompoop ever came up with the Doh! idea for storing nuclear waste in salt caverns, in the first place.

        Help! I'm Meeeeelllllltttttiiiiiiinnnnggggg!

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Nincompoop, now there's a word you don't hear all the time, nowadays. Maybe we should dust that one off and breathe new life into it.

          "You, sir, are a nincompoop!" he said.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            nin·com·poop [nin-kuhm-poop, ning-] Show IPA
            a fool or simpleton.
            1670–80; origin uncertain

            Related forms
            nin·com·poop·er·y, noun
            nin·com·poop·ish, adjective

            Word Origin & History

            1676, nicompoop. Despite similarity [noted by Johnson] to L. legal phrase non compos mentis "insane, mentally incompetent" (1607), the connection is denied by etymologists because the earliest forms lack the second -n-.

    • jec jec

      Good catch. And the dose, its relative..99.97 percent of 4.4M DPM…is what? or 99.97% of 4.4 DPm is what? Smaller by an order of millions. PLUS those where could I find where the company or the industry RATED or CERTIFIED them ! Other than the ability to filter out very small particles…WIPP is sure there are not SMALLER particles than what the filters can handle..right?

      Once the human dose is known, it could be possible to figure out the exposure a certain extent. Bet that scanner is going to be busy. Guess what..the scanner so far has done 16 people since the accident. What you want to make a bet 13 were from WIPP???

      And depending on what they were exposed to families might also need checking,especially children. My daughter has radiation therapy and after the pill/dose(yes, I know it much higher..etc etc)..spends three days in the hospital in strict and severe isolation. She comes home to a closed room for a week with all clothes and wastes disposed of in bags, bags are left in place for three months. NO ONE GOES IN THAT ROOM AFTER. After that week she can come out but stay away from people for more days. And still..sitting near the terrarium..the radiation killed off all the kids pet hermit crabs. I watched them curl up and die..

      And its possible radiation was on the workers, depending on the dose..and what was on the clothing. All topside worked DID remove coveralls and shoe covers prior to leaving the site..DIDNT THEY?

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech
        About as good explanation as needed.
        I've used these type for years, $$$$$
        Strange twist the DOE invented HEPA filters.
        Maybe it would be better in some cases to measure/think in PPM or PPB on particle exposures. That is after all, what is in/on everything in question. And a standard for non-radioactive exposure.

        I think they will never, ever do that, because the limit would be tiny, and tell you exactly if your screwed. They like to 'play' this invisible rad exposure, can switch and manipulate the 'score', at will, from cpm,dpm,cps,bq,si,cu,gy,rem,mr, whatever the f it takes to confound the discussion.
        Bottom line. Their filter is certified to 99.7% efficient.
        It passes 3,000ppm, or 3,000,000ppb. When it works perfectly.

        Industry standard for pcb/memory chips like in the computer you are sitting in front of: less than 10ppb oxygen in the shield gas.
        I am not kidding you one bit.
        Gives you an idea what they will let these lumps of human fodder they see us as be exposed to.

        Check out some OSHA PEL limits on your favorite chemical to lose a little sleep over. Its easy.
        'Short Term Exposure Limit (STEL): The employer shall assure that no employee is exposed to an airborne concentration of formaldehyde which exceeds two parts formaldehyde per million parts of air (2 ppm) as a 15-minute STEL.

        This is my personal opinion, yours…

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        A search to link ppm to radioactivity found:

        Nice that it is pre Fukushima.

        Appears natural uranium is approx. 3ppm soil/groundwater per liter

        Interesting, EPA allows about 10x for drinking water.

        My quest to understand just what these nuke numbnuts are always pushing like a dope dealer.

        Take it with a grain of salt, it is their bs story.

      • they worked in street clothes, no respirator

  • SadieDog


  • GQR2

    This is sounding more grossly negligent and knowingly criminal by the day. Gross negligence, sneaking in of waste. And god only knows what else.

    The attorney general ought to be involved. Meanwhile the Governor Martinez can't give away the mining and drilling permits fast enough,for every kind of tax break under the sun.

    • they had no limiting on anything per-agreements.. testing sites has no material limitations, and so the plutonium stuff from all over got sent there while exclusions were "Off-Line" as it were, once they get pass.. can't bring more.. but nothing says have to remove what's there already.

      Folks are now pissed at finding-out what is there already!

  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    More to come. Stay tuned. Or, just turn out the lights and go to sleep.

  • bo bo

    'Possible scenarios incude a ceiling collapse or a forklift puncturing a canister'
    what happens then ?

  • combomelt combomelt

    "Possible scenarios include a ceiling collapse or a forklift puncturing a canister, Farok Sharif, president of the Nuclear Waste Partnership, said"

    Didn't some official spokeshead(or all of them!) say that no one was underground @wipp at the time o this incident/accident/plan??
    And if that's true, how could a forklift puncture a canister? do we have remote forklifts 1/2 mile underground? If so , why? It looks so safe, the dudes driving forklifts in the wipp videos have hardhats on and tshirts and jeans, haulin' ass around, stackin' nuke waste all day! looks like any old warehouse anywhere! and looks like a fun group to work with too! lmao

    I think its all bs, and its all proceeding according to their f-ing plan! fill 'er up, and let the collapsing salt caverns bury everything, then the containers and TRU(Man the terms these psychos come up with to describe 'shit'!) waste corrode away into the salt(and aquifier, and biosphere, and atmosphere) forevermore!
    Who knows what all that mixed up shyte will do when it starts reacting with all that salt? Is it all an enormous fuel source for a gigantic, high pressure, underground, uncontained sodium reactor? This result is these psychos' wet dreams come true as their hands start slap washing each other clean of it all while walking away to the next WIPP dig site.

    • bo bo

      Thanks for clarifying, combomelt.

    • wildandfree wildandfree

      Thanks combomelt, let me see if things are being related right, no one was present, then, based on the nuke play book, 1) tell them if it was fork lift damage, then the breaks failed, it rolled down the ramp, but no worries it hit a can of rags, 2) if the ceiling fell, well we don't quite know yet the full extent, but it was probably due to geological shifts caused by the local drilling, not our fault, sorry, or 3) using that line of thinking, perhaps it is not our worst case scenario but the monitors picked up naturally occurring Radium as a result of fracking in the afore mentioned well drilling operations. Leaving us with the understanding that its not their fault and the leak is safe as it is only natural radiation or rags involved. Nothing to see here, what about that place in Japan?

    • jec jec

      Contractor/Paid Shill!! This FAROK SHARIF is the PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE WIPP CONTRACTOR! So Mr. Farok Sharif, president of the Nuclear Waste Partnership, wears many hats. A 'pres' sounds better than a contractor when speaking to the media….

    • Sickputer

      The US workers at WIPP stack their toxic barrels neatly…but when things go wrong the nuclear poisons end up like this German hellhole:

      SP: The masterminds of these trainwreck dump ideas always have a plan for some mystic future robot technology to correct their mistakes:

      "Assuming all goes well—and after tests for radiation, toxicity, and explosive gases—the agency plans to remove the deadly waste with remotely operated vehicles by 2020."

      SP: It never goes well.

    • What, you never heard about the famous forklift ghost? He's been down there since 1999, happily driving heavy equipment around high level transuranic waste whenever nobody's down there to watch him. His name is Jeeves. Sort of a take on "Heebie-Jeebies," which is the description inerringly given by the last humans in the lift at the end of shift, when they hear the forklift fire up in the dark depths below…

      Makes me wonder if they didn't turn the monitors off for the whole week between the "truck" fire in the north end experimental region and the reported release on the 14th. To flush the smoke, not the leaking transuranics. Which they didn't know were leaking. Because Jeeves never told 'em he busted a barrel. See? It's all on the up and up!

  • Jebus Jebus

    We Are The Guinea Pigs

    We Are the Guinea Pigs
    Three Mile Island continues is gone.

    Does anyone have this documentary location?

  • combomelt combomelt

    ty bo, once in awhile i have a lucid moment. but this next thought may not be one of them, but this "plan" of theirs is truly, off the planet, psychotic, non-sensical, but they think its OH SO PROMISING FOR THE FUTURE OF WASTE DISPOSAL!!!! NOT!!!
    These freaks MUST have experimented somewhere else with salt and PLUTONIUM Radwaste.
    Maybe these freaks found out that if you dump TENS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF this forever-poison somewhere far enough out of sight, and also way out of technical reach, AND THEN YOU SCUTTLE IT, WELL YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY WALK AWAY AFTER THAT 'ACCIDENT' SAYING 'SORRY' TO THOSE 'FEW' FOLKS(13 right now) THAT DID INHALE some aerosolized tru-waste. hEY you don't even have to maintain or monitor it for the next 200,000 thousand years then – BONUS!!!!!
    Maybe these freaks at WIPP or DOE et al know something miraculous will happen underground there, instead of it becoming a lethally leaking toxic underground plutonium and transuranic and hazardous waste dump FISSIONING continuously and leaching nuclear filth into the NM environment for hundreds of thousands of years into the future.
    SADLY, I DON'T THINK SO….. but…
    I guess this might be one way to curtail immigration AND seal the border!!!!!
    talk about a 'no man's land'.

    • Could be just a big-assed geoengineering project, under contract with our soon-coming ex-Venusian overlords. Who need an atmosphere with at least 1,000 ppm CO2 and average temperatures at least 50º higher than they are today. Eventually to be used as a thrust engine to move the planet half the distance between our present location and where Venus is now (too hot, even for them).

      I heard they may clear a million space-bucks on the deal, and a deed for Mars.

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    Too bad for everybody downwind for the next zillion years 🙁

    Too bad the algae-oil greenfuel plant is downwind..
    I was gonna use algae oil to fuel my hydraulic-hybrid..

    Looks like the frackers went crackers all around WIPP

  • These Pimps of Nuke are completely irresponsible…

    And they were trotting out all the old lies

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    WIPP has developed into a fast-breeder reactor with no way to stop the nuclear reaction and no containment.

    Iwonder if there was a secret weapons lab there as at Fukushima Daiichi or if they were experimenting with processing plutonium?

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      I meant to say, processing or reprocessing plutonium for plutonium pits or MOX fuel?

      • I addressed this back in April of 2011.. working with PU-Breeder rods and making U-235 for bombs in the basement of #4 reactor building. I linked the computer-dumps of both #3 & #4 reactors.

        Also video of the breeder rods in the pools, the fact breeder rod control blades are in them as well.. and some before & after shots of the pools.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Here's the wind tonight.

    It's heading straight to my son in Kansas.

    When they say more will be affected by the radiation, they mean millions at least.

  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    Can I put this here? I thought this may petain to Fuku.

    "Over the past two years, Mr. Perreault's oyster farm on B.C.'s south coast has experienced 80 to 90 per cent mortality of young shellfish – the normal attrition rate is 50 per cent – and last year, nearby Pendrell Sound had a massive die-off of wild oysters."

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    EPA monitors requested, lol

    They already know whats leaking (( Plutonium )) .. and it's blowing downwind.

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    By the way, the US Gov has been advocates of storing high level waste in salt domes and caverns for many many years. I still believe that there is waste buried is some of the Bayou Corne salt caverns as well. This shit is all intertwined. No fucking where to run and no where to hide. Say a prayer to your higher power cuz your asses belong to the nuclear mafia. If you live near Carlsbad, vaccate your family for now. NO,.. insurance does not cover nuclear incidents, SO WHAT!!! lEAVE ANYWAY!! Now you know why ins policies wont cover this shit! Just leave. Better safe than sorry. Plutonium particles is nothing to underestimate. Tiny nuclear bombs waiting to get into your lungs. Thats what it is.

    • jec jec

      Does OBAMACARE cover radiation injury or exposure treatments?

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech


        If you want to keep your nuclear medicine and care, you can keep it


        • HoTaters HoTaters

          VanneV, my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins (father's oldest niece and her daughters, grandchildren) are all in the path of whatever plume may be issuing from WIPP. Yesterday some of the air was getting picked up and circled around counter-clockwise through Utah, Idaho, then up to somewhere around Washington, then back down through Washington & Oregon.

          There must be 15-20 members of my family (mother's and father's side) in Texas, the midwest right in the path of this.

          Yesterday I noticed San Angelo, TX had lit up on NETC. Today it looks like it's making a beeline to the Great Lakes and the Atlantic Seaboard.

          This makes me so disheartened. I called my cousin in Texas to warn her today. Have been unable to reach a close friend of mine who is older, who lives in Carlsbad. Had tried to reach her since Day #1 when we all first heard of the WIPP problem.

          You, your family, Johnny B, and many others, as well as my cousins, are in my thoughts and prayers. BTW, I also have cousins in and around Denver, so I think about you and them often. Am concerned; the airborne CPM counts have been high in Colorado for so long.

          Be well, a sante, friend.

          • Jacklab

            What is the real risk as determined by the path of the plume? Any hard numbers or just speculation?

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          AirSepTech, please be gentle. jec is jesting, but does have a family member who is likely very ill now due to past radiation exposure. Did you know?

          It was a serious yet tongue-in-cheek question as I interpreted it. Haven't seen a lot of your posts here so just wondered if you knew many of us (not me but many others here) are cancer survivors & have multiple issues due to radiation exposure. Unfortunately, sometimes the cure for some people also includes nuclear medicine treatment.

          Please be considerate. That being said, I'm sure you meant no offense.

          Many of us indulge in off-color jokes here or dark humor, so i think I understand where you're coming from.

  • Ontological Ontological

    For a side show in a freak circus, this is truly becoming class act. Trust is not something we can afford anymore. WIPP is now Wind Injected Plutonium Puffer. Like an atomizer. Again let's get this lie straight. There are way more questions than answers as usual. Did a roof collapse? If it did, was it from local fracking and how much "low level" waste material was disturbed? Was there another explosion? Or did the "truck fire" on Feb 5th screw up the ventilation system and then a later collapse make the puff? Is this dragon breath still spewing forth, if it is still "leaking"? And, gulp; is it burning chemically or worse?
    Maybe the new laws are so lapse now; they can operate this kind of slop shop and get away with it.

    • Just some factoids to consider….

      Put just 6.2 Kilos of Plutonium 241 / OR / 10.6 Kilos of Plutonium 239 in one spot, and you get BOOM!! Criticality as in nuclear BLAST TIME ! Some Plutonium 240, can be added so you get a fizzle.. that's a minimum-level blast like what they had at unit #3 Fuku.

      Also.. just FYI..?

      The whole deal with Half-Life…? The numbers are based on isolation in a lab, not out in the wilds. The 30 year drop-off on Chernobyl stuff is now re-figured at 437 years they think..? Huummm…!
      The first "Product" in a chain reduction of fission elements is not always the really BAD one, and some later stages are ALPHA emitters ! @j@

      I always give folks such good news… sorry!

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    "WIPP … has disposed of over 90,000 cubic meters of nuclear weapons waste that has traveled over 14 million miles on the road, … Some of this waste is pretty high-activity waste, well over a Curie per liter from reprocessing of spent fuel from old weapons reactors, and is hotter than any of the high-level waste in those leaking tanks…

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    The roofs are sagging. Creep is about three inches per year,

    roof sag

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    "What we know with some confidence
    …one or more of the 258 … waste containers underground in Room 7 and Panel 7 released radioactive and toxic chemicals.
    The release spread contaminants through
    more than 3,000 feet of tunnels, up the exhaust shaft (2,150 feet), into the environment, and to
    the air monitoring Station #107, approximately 3,000 feet northwest of the exhaust shaft. Thus,
    the release covered a distance of at least a mile and a half

    highest levels of 4.4 million disintegrations per minute.

    Some pretty large halls;

  • ftlt

    That organ of truth and pure science, "The Scientific American", has already told us all the threat is diminishing in New Mexico.

    Wait!!! Didn't they say the same thing about FUFU within a week or so after the event. It's not that big or something to that effect?

    You don't think, they might not be always telling us the whole truth, do you??? Humm….

  • Nuclear Industry speak –

    Days = Weeks to Months
    Weeks = Months to Years
    Months = Years to a Decade
    Years = Decade to Decades
    Decades = Centuries

    Let's see, why do I get the feeling these numbskulls are not telling us all of the facts.

    1. First they said nobody was affected. Now at least 13.

    We know that will go up. Oh, and they know they have radioactive contamination, but can't say how bad, how much or what kind. They have to know, they just aren't telling us.

    2. They said workers were not underground. If that's even close to true then how come, all of a sudden, a forklift puncture may be a cause.

    3. Didn't they request EPA monitors over a week ago. Now they are just getting around to submitting in writing. Why isn't the EPA just there, they should not have to be requested. What a bureaucratic delay tactic.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Department of Energy is running the show

      EPA, OSHA, well, everyone else is like a broom in the closet

      They will only come out when the DOE needs to use them

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        we're SOL with the DOE
        who control the EPA and even WHO
        and conspire with the FDA and EMA
        and even USAF, USN to the UN
        But the IAEA failed the PRP
        now the seals wash up DOA

  • sworldpeas

    The guinea pig stage
    you have a banana glow
    Dont sleep next to me

  • What could the best case scenario be at WIPP and how can we "create it"?

    1. WIPP is declared too hot for human entry
    2. All shipments stop and backlog, some sitting on trucks
    3. Local lawsuits are brought on company now illegally storing shipments meant for WIPP
    4. Scientists and Managers from private companies doing testing have lawsuits brought against themselves personally, and their companies. Universities are included.
    5. Robots go into WIPP and try to mop up the radiation pools and fail for the most part
    6. FOIA causes pictures from robots to be released, showing all the predicted failure modes actually happened and that WIPP had proceeded directly against new knowledge increasing the risk.
    7. Attempts at cleanup prove costly and futile
    8. Decision to close WIPP for 200,000 years is announced
    9. A massive push to open Yucca Mountain ensues, but citizens have had enough and make their voices heard
    10. New "Cask It No Rack It" ruling on and by NRC makes storing of spent fuel in pools by the reactors illegal for more than 5 years AND they cannot use the fuel racks that were used in the reactor because those are not certified nor safe for storage
    11. The Cask It No Rack It Ruling (CINRI) creates a logistical problem for many running nuclear plants in the USA. Many plants that can barely compete with nat gas, solar, wind, have their directors decide to close the plant in hopes they can legislate higher kWH sales prices for nuke because it is “Base Load…

    • “Base Load Useable Power” (BLUF).
      12. Anti-nuclear activism stalls the BLUF excessive pricing, and after several quarters of high costs and no profits, many nuclear plants start preparing their decommissioning plans and announce shutdowns.
      13. Demand for Dry Casks is high and many industrial type cities with good steel and aggregate resources develop a thriving cask production segment. These former rustbelt locations jump on the opportunity and using good management and right to work attitudes, develop an industry with a best in class cost production, allowing them to also export to Europe and other places.
      14. Casking proceeds, using many of the workers idled from the nuke plant shutdowns. Training for ex nuke workers who want to participate in the “new paradigm” of renewable energy with energy storage occurs right at the old nuke plants, i.e. the casking sites.
      15. Because of the energy infrastructure at the nuke plants, solar farms spring up around the nuke plants.
      16. All of the GE Mark 1 plants are shut down by 2019, and casking is underway at all plants, catching up on the backlog by 2022. As casking demand declines, those industrial resources are targeted toward more hydro-power, including pumped hydro which smooths out the peaks and valleys of renewable energy.
      17. A handful of nuke plants are kept online to provide backup power, until power storage technologies, including use of old electric car battery farms as massive storage, can develop…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    " “The WIPP systems right now are in the guinea pig stage […] they have never been tried.” […] Officials said […] a container of waste leaked, but it could be weeks before they can get underground to find out what caused it. Possible scenarios include a ceiling collapse or a forklift puncturing a canister, Farok Sharif, president of the Nuclear Waste Partnership, said."

    DOE Awards Management and Operating Contract for Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP)

    "The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) announces that Nuclear Waste Partnership LLC (members comprised of URS Energy & Construction, Inc., of Boise, Idaho, and Babcock & Wilcox Technical Services Group, Inc., of Lynchburg, Virginia, and Major Subcontractor, AREVA Federal Services LLC, of Bethesda, Maryland) has been awarded a $1.3 billion contract for management and operating (M&O) at DOE’s Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) in Carlsbad, New Mexico."

    This is who he represents.. as president..
    Areva Federal Services ..etc.
    Areva rears it's ugly head.

    How many guinea pigs next in the wheel..1200 in Tyvek suits?

    • bf9 bf9

      Nothing but spin, I think they have a pretty good idea of what happened. I recall one of their spokespeople saying that nobody was in the area of the incident at the time down there…

      "possible scenarios include a ceiling collapse or a forklift puncturing a canister"?

      According to what they have said previously, zero chance of a forklift being operated in that area at all. Add that to the "direct lie/bullshit" list.