Published: October 10th, 2012 at 3:48 am ET
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Title: More land falls into sinkhole
Source: The Advocate
Author: David J. Mitchell
Date: October 10, 2012
[... Gary Hecox, a geologist with Shaw Environmental] said that hydrocarbons pulled from inside the cavern and on top of the sinkhole are virtually identical as far as their chemical makeup.
When asked if that means it is confirmed the failure of the cavern caused the sinkhole, he said “All the data we’ve looked at so far would lead you to that conclusion, yes.” [...]
Hecox said later that, in contrast to early reports, the hydrocarbons in the sinkhole and the cavern are crude oil, not diesel, and may have come from natural oil bearing formations along the side of the salt dome. [...]
Hecox said the most likely option is that the crude oil went up the side of the salt dome into the sinkhole.
But he also said that many of the occurrences around Bayou Corne appear to be tied together.
“It is very likely the release of oil and the gas we’re seeing, the cavern collapse, and the sinkhole are all related,” he said.
The first reports noting the possibility of crude oil in the sinkhole and cavern can be found here:
- Hydrocarbons could have breached bottom of cavern -- Oil detected on top of giant sinkhole (VIDEOS)
- Sinkhole: "Oily fluid" began coming up drill hole -- Gas at 900 psi "had been expected"
Watch Chris Piehler of Louisiana’s Department of Environmental Quality claim recently that the hydrocarbons in sinkhole are dominated by diesel range organics, not oil:
Published: October 10th, 2012 at 3:48 am ET
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We need to watch this dome very carefully. If it tilts and falls in wht happens to the sides that weakened the whole structure can this happen to another dome or the one filled with BUTANE?? I also see where reports are coming from that bubbles are coming up near the lake that drained in the 80's and that bubbles too around the ST Lawrence? If I am not mistaken. I feel these bubbles are going to be more and more active from other places too, so keep your eyes open this could be just the beginning of something Biblical.
I do know all Emergency Folks like Firefighters, Law enforcement and other organizations stay ready till this ongoing disaster is over this could be the start of something worse , Could there be a domino effect here going on?
Mark
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Methane Bubbles are everywhere here is a video of some at Snake River in PA near NY which is blamed on fracking: http://youtu.be/EbIjm4Ee6-I
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Also rock formation (carbon dioxide) can cause bubbling in rivers but as you can see in the video I posted it acts more like methane just hope it doesn't get like this:http://youtu.be/NVpQnpWS2wU
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I'm with you Mark, and if this IS related to the Macondo well, the time to conjecture and gather evidence is now, not after the event.
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Just goes to show, don't dump fracking sludge in salt domes.
Stop fracking now!
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Stay on this Mark!!
I rarely comment, but sure do read and follow links…
This is an ongoing disaster that is surely as big as the whole Gulf of Mexico ..
I just fled the Tampa Bay Florida area . The. Coast Guard was flying every day patrolling ..
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I am glad you left Florida people are getting sick cause of the BP crap and still getting sick from the corexit mixed oil and chemical composition
Mark
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I am now in NW Georgia Mark . Many I knew were sick with flu like symtoms . They were told it was a virus .
I was homeless there . I decided I could be homeless somewhere safer just as easy .
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I'm in PA and we also had flu like symptoms which seem to last for months waxing and waning. Things that make ya go hmm.
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moonsellblue: I live in Indiana. I got this "flu" a couple weeks ago, after my ol' lady got it. Seems as if everybody at her work got it. Thought it was the flu coming early. But now that you mention it, this just isn't flu season. What's going on?
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Hi there, Indiana and Pennsylvania. SE Wisconsin here. Flu-like symptoms are up in my entire household. I've got it the worst most likely because I already suffer with an autoimmune disorder. Also, comparing the dual-household that lives here, my husband and I (and even my cat!) are getting it worse living in our basement apartment than those living upstairs (puppies included). We are all along the jet stream. :-/
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Are we not all told the flags and borders divide the globe?
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Hi Chelsea,
I also suffer from an auto-immune disorder was dx'd with MS on my 30th birthday, some gift, even the doc gave me a break and did not charge me after giving me the results of my MRI. Anyway, this flu like illness that is going around is not the flu but something unrelated as no one in my family had high fevers just low grade, fatigue, gastro troubles, and headache. Not sure what it could be but does seem to get better than comes back a few days later. At first I thought it was my condition but so many other folks are suffering with the same symptoms. Has anyone gone to see a doctor? Just curious what the medical community has to say.
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The expert is from Shaw – "Shaw believes that nuclear power offers a successful business model and provides a cleaner energy source to help address global warming and meet increasing energy demands worldwide."
http://www.shawgrp.com/projects/nuclear/china-ap1000
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noooo .. they're everywhere .. invasion of the zombie nukers or what?
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Pretty huge cave-in:
"…Texas Brine already announced that the cavern carved from the Napoleonville Dome is 1,500 feet shallower than what it was when it was abandoned in June 2011…"
That's half the height of the original cavern. The original cavern top was at 3500', now its only at 2000'. That would leave about 1,300 ft to the top of the salt.
That's 10 million Bbls or around 45 million square feet of salt that collapsed (100 ft. radius x 1500 ft)
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Well, the cavern was located right next to an unstable portion of the wall. As the salt structure degraded, it removed salt support structure that was holding the fractured strata in place. Whatever was on the outside of the dome, in this case, a crude oil deposit, came flowing in and mixing with the salt slush. That can fill 1500 feet of cavern pretty quickly.
However, this started two or more years ago. It had plenty of time to undermine the entire dome. Ultimately, 2,000 acres are at stake, with another 2,000 adversely affected. The sinkhole is just getting started.
Bayou Corne is a dead town.
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This GrandGulf PR from Nov 2010 gives a good picture of the oil- and gas-bearing sands just outside the Napoleonville dome.
Likely source of the oil/gas is the M1 or M2 sands from the side of the cavern. Not sure if the deeper deposits would migrate from the 7,500 ft. level all the way to the fractured part of the cavern wall (maybe 4,000 – 3,500 ft level?).
http://member.afraccess.com/media?id=CMN://6A514819&filename=20101111/GGE_01119649.pdf
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PavewayIII: You can really see from this drawings like this how Idahopicker (on YouTube) and others have concluded that there may be a connection between the sinkhole and the BP Disaster, can't you?
You can see the possibility for lots of lateral movement in such upsloping deposits. This should be kept in mind when turning an extraction well into an injection well. If you pollute these deposits with sludge that can migrate over long distances, aren't you closing off the possibility for new technologies to extend the life of the field in the future? Personally, I'd outlaw injection wells. And fracking.
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How much of this disaster is connected with the giant earthquake in Haiti, which "just happened" to open up oil reserves there. And further north…?
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I see why *they* think so and they may be right. I don't agree with their reasons, but I'm no geologist.
The Macondo well is at least 150 miles away from the Napoleonville dome. It's half-way down the Continental Slope, under a mile of water. The Miocene sands' oil and gas is at 10+ thousand PSI. There's also a ton of methane covering or mixed in with the seafloor deposits.
Napoleonville-area Miocene sands were deposited around the same time (10 million years ago or so), but the oil and gas formations are considered 'normal' pressure – maybe a thousand PSI. Its too warm for methane to form hydrates – its all gas.
Oil and gas in both places originates from deeper sources underneath the Louann salt. It made its way through cracks, fissures and folds upwards and *into* the Miocene layers.
Page 10 of this PDF shows the Miocene depocenter. Its been fractured and faulted and eroded/re-covered for millions of years. The oil is not continuous or 'connected' except in the most indirect way.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slb.com%2F~%2Fmedia%2FFiles%2Fresources%2Foilfield_review%2Fors08%2Faut08%2Fthe_prize_beneath_the_salt.pdf
On the other hand, all of the above are riding on the Gulf tectonic plate. If that's slipping South, then everything on top of it – especially at the margins – will be stirred up. That just seems more probable to me considering the seismic activity.
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PavewayIII: the pdf is a very informative piece. Thanks for that. You are probably right that BP well and sinkhole are not connected directly. They are both part of the same plate, and both may have been affected by the same seismic activity. Good post!
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I think the connection is the methane layer. This is very important to understand.
Not only did the BP drilling pierce this, and the salt dome, more importantly, it gave the warm sea water access, which is causing the methane layer to turn from a solid into a gas..(due to temperature change) this gas creates pressure and pushes it's way up through the crust of swiss cheese, we have created.
Connect that dot to Aurto Lauri and what he had to say about the methane layer.
Connect that dot to the coriums burning through the ground.. to the methane layer and the potential heating and gassing off of it..
..and do not forget the underground lava highway that gases off into the salt domes..(big dot) "The Gulf of Mexico is heating up due to a rise in magma flow convecting (running like a conveyor belt) under the Gulf floor. This is the Earth Expansion Theory, where the Earth heats up, filling the salt domes with tar (magma melting oil and creating tar), and pushing the ocean floor up. The tar bubbles as it heats up, and it outgases." http://vimeo.com/26882508#at=0
add to that at least 7, in the last 30 days, volcanoes erupting that have not had activity since before Christ, http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
We really need to consider the Earth in a holistic way.. it is one big living/dying organism…and we are her parasites. If we kill her, we kill ourselves.
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Sorry – http://www.slb.com/~/media/Files/resources/oilfield_review/ors08/aut08/the_prize_beneath_the_salt.pdf
I understand Dr. Hull's explanation, but don't see it as something only in the Gulf and/or as a direct result of the Macondo screw-up. If there was never a well drilled in the Gulf, the gas would find its way to the surface one way or the other. Macondo didn't help, but neither do the thousands of other wells there.
The magma theory doesn't (to me) explain bubbles in South Louisiana or further inland. Maybe that happens like clockwork every 500 years for some other reason – we just have no way of knowing.
The Mayans didn't say a thing about bubbling tar on their calendar wheel, but I wouldn't count anything out.
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Funny, she never said it was only in the Gulf, nor as a direct result of the Macondo screw-up.. seems like you might be trying to throw a blanket of confusion on it..
What I am pointing out, is that we have more than one force at work here. This is why they can't explain it.. more than one force at work.
We have methane turning to gas and needing to vent, due in great part to the Maconda well piercing it.. the warm Gulf water can now get at it, heat it up and it turns to gas causing bubbles..No other well has ever been as deep.
We also occur to have the magma underground lava channel that is very hot, heating the oil that is known to gas off into salt domes.. causing fissures and putting pressure on weaknesses..
Then, add "hot" waste from the nuke industry.
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Agreed, I see many causing connected factors concerning Methane bubbles throughout the country not just BP oil, Fracking, Nuclear Power plants, but history itself. Well said Cataclysmic and thank you.
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Excellent pdf! Took awhile to get, and had to link back to original, but great find PavewayIII!
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This place is as good as a school. Thanks for this string of posts, very good insights and references – all appreciated.
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Maybe it's time to call a State of Emergency to get people more involved to not act like idiots, assuming this fire did start from gun shots while hunting.
Firefighters battle marsh fire burning in New Orleans East
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2NvFtd9R18
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yeah, let's learn from the past! what a great idea!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-C75m1D9U4
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OH my God, I just got 22 bank statements in the mail (I work on a non-profit) but I didn't realize the bank was going to hook me up as a quick as they did after talking to them about a project I'm working on (Oh, Lordy)! I wasn't ready to move that fast, but I guess I don't have a choice now.
I know this seems off topic, but in reality what I do can go international (meaning State side while I live in Canada) & that's another reason why I do this. LUCY the PHOENIX FUND is really dedicated to the Gulf Coast of Mexico but how we get her there remains to be seen.
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pray a bit?
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that's sounding rather pointless.
doing trumps praying every time.
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i should add a
as i was playing 'rounnd.
as we mentioned last night, i think the only best thing left to do is singing, everything else is looking like it's pointless
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@ JustmeAlso, actually it is 21 bank statements & 1 gas bill (go figure..(lol)). In a nut shell, 14 new accounts (that's why it's jumped up to 21 bank statements now) for a new initiative I'm trying to put together for Canada as a whole (eg. 10 provinces & 3 territories) while the remaining 7 accounts with this bank are the standard trusts that were established years ago. The 14th is an insurance measure to protect the funds from the other 13 when I can get them up & running. Working on a web-page now for this project but not ready to upload it to the site yet.
I'm going to do a video on this as it should be funny, as maybe if I can laugh my way through it others will latch on & not be afraid to participate.
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Correction: The 14th is an insurance measure to protect the funds FOR the other 13.
While in the States it will be 51 Trusts & 1 overflow to protect the 50.
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Here is what I found s to the methane Cap under the Bp Drill hole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSOkmBAuRg0
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Totally ironic …. (and thanks mark for the find)
but I just wondered…what were the chances of me clicking on that youtube link and the banner ad (you know THE ONES YOU IMMEDIATELY click the X on to get rid!!)
was for 'UNDER FLOOR HEATING'!!
had to chuckle
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Repost folks, apols if you'v3 seen it, but the excellent diagrams of BK Lim of the fractured Macondo Saltdome theory are very helpful to understand this crazy new twist…
"At the time of Deepwater Horizon, there was much discussion about the colour of the substances spewing from Macondo Mississippi Canyon block 252 after the rig sank. Also, speculation that the DWH had set off a chain of events that could extend underground northwards from the Mississippi Canyon prospect, up to Louisiana.
The best explanation that I found that better than any other explained the characteristics of the Macondo well blow out (apart from simple greed, speed and incompetence) was drawn up by BK LIM. COINCIDENTALLY, his theory was that TransOcean had hit the side of salt dome. The hot escaping fluids that rushed up through the fault lines were melting the methyl hydrate floor (melt temp – 0c)and could result in an unstoppable venting until the reservoir ran dry, or pressure equalised with the outside.
The was also the risk there that the salt dome would 'cavern out' (as Bayou Corn is) and collapse..(cont)
Why is BP's Macondo blowout so disastrous & Beyond Patch-up.
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/30/4781973-why-is-bps-macondo-blowout-so-disastrous-beyond-patch-up
Also see:
Geologists: Louisiana may be overdue for earthquake
http://www.wafb.com/story/15550059/earthquakes
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Its funny how all the pieces can be put together.
Its good how all the pieces can be put together too.
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Louisiana Sinkhole, Bubbles, 1000s Quakes Link To Oil, Gas ENMOD
http://beforeitsnews.com/earthquakes/2012/08/louisiana-sinkhole-bubbles-1000s-quakes-link-to-oil-gas-enmod-2443976.html
Louisiana sinkhole: Butane well company's worst-case scenario report required
http://www.examiner.com/article/louisiana-sinkhole-butane-well-company-s-worst-case-scenario-required
Are Shallow Earthquakes Associated with the New Madrid Fault & BP’s Mega Oil Spill?
http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/are-shallow-earthquakes-associated-with-the-new-madrid-fault-bps-mega-oil-spill/
http://www.jerrypippin.com/OilSpillArea.htm
New Madrid Fault Intro: Site map
http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/sitemap.htm
THE SALINE DOMES OF THE TEXAS-LOUISIANA COASTAL PLAIN
http://www.onemine.org/search/index.cfm?fullText=Southern%20Louisiana%20salt%20domes&start=50
Salt Domes in the Gulf Coast Aquifer (PDF download)
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&sqi=2&ved=0CF8QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.100.861%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=LkFkUL-bIo7BiQekyYDADw&usg=AFQjCNHNsHhSzhgQb_GLG4kyynkeCNhVnw
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Methane Hydrates
http://www.killerinourmidst.com/methane%20and%20MHs2.html
http://theobligatescientist.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/methane-hydrate-crystals-hamper-effort.html
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/edu/learning/player/lesson11/l11la2.html
http://www.only-one-solution.org/practical_implementation_options/methane_hydrates.html
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