Officials: Melted fuel still leaking out of Fukushima reactor — Likely escaping from opening at bottom of containment vessel — Gov’t experts want to give up sending in robots to search for molten cores — “Disaster the likes of which has never been known”

Published: April 11th, 2017 at 9:27 am ET
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Mainichi, Mar 28, 2017 (emphasis added): [TEPCO] failed to locate melted nuclear fuel inside the No. 1 reactor at the disaster-stricken Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant… [T]he latest survey on the No. 1 reactor also failed to obtain data necessary to extract melted fuel, such as where the fuel is located. Therefore, the utility is compelled to consider fetching melted fuel in the absence of sufficient data… [T]he robot explored an area around the opening for workers at the bottom of the container vessel… It is believed that most of the melted fuel at the No. 1 reactor has spread across the contaminated water accumulating at the bottom of its container vessel. TEPCO believes that melted fuel is likely leaking from the opening.

Asahi Shimbun, Mar 24, 2017: Some Nuclear Regulation Authority members are skeptical of continuing to send robots into reactors in the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant… These regulators are increasingly calling for a new survey methodology after recent investigations utilizing robots controlled remotely generated few findings and were quickly terminated… The lower part of the reactor’s containment vessel is submerged in water where deposits of fuel debris are believed to reside below the surface after melting through… TEPCO and the government… have yet to collect information on the location, amount and condition of the melted fuel… [T]he surveys centering around the robots so far have failed to produce meaningful results.

Asia Times, Mar 10, 2017: The robots are part of an unprecedented task, challenging engineers to come up with technology that doesn’t exist to deal with a nuclear disaster the likes of which has never been known.

See also: Nuclear Investigator: Worry over underground explosions at Fukushima — New data shows molten fuel is “dropping lower each day”, melting deeper into ground below plant

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  • SadieDog

    – "TEPCO and the government hope to start removing molten nuclear fuel from 2021. But they have yet to collect information on the location, amount and condition of the melted fuel"

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      That's humorous. How are you supposed to develop a plan to remove nuclear fuel when it's unknown:

      a. where it is, and
      b. how much there is

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        How about a plan to determine:

        a.) where the molten nuclear fuel is, and
        b.) how much molten nuclear fuel there is

        Methinks they've got this back-asswards.

        • Sol Man

          The core removed most of its self, thus it is becoming everywhere; achieving a steady state over time.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            the fission products are only about 3%. Some of the fuel exploded into powder…how much is not totally clear. The majority of the fuel is still there, leaching strontium and other stuff

            • Code you should "go back to formula" on that one.

              Fission fraction is way higher the 3%
              CS 133 and 134 is 6.78%
              CS137 is 6.09%
              SR90 is 5.75% (almost as much as the long lived CS137)
              I135 is 6.333%
              TC99 is 6.05%

              30% of 1800 tons is now how much — 540 tons just of the "big fission fractions"

              • Jebus Jebus

                Are your actnide percentages based upon the percentage of fuel burnup at that time in each reactor?

                I assume it maters in the calculation of each source's quantities released.

                • No, thats a basic general figure for a complete normal cycle. But who wants to quibble over 30 or 40 tons of radioisotopes, when TEPCO says it was grams, LOL

                  I asked the NRC for burnup data on MOX, they didn't even have it. Yet spending $40B on reprocessing plants that don't work.

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    I'm sure it is calculated somewhere.

                    I remember #3 was loaded in the prior year october/november?

                    But I guess it matters what percentage they ran at.

                    I agree, a massive amount of particles initially, currently a relentless flow.

                    Six years into forever…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                fission yield…I dont know, I got the figure of volatile fission products from spent fuel. I think thats different than 'fission yield' which is fission products per fission event. I have it that it was largely the volatile fission products that were released. This is one reason why strontium is climbing, perhaps eclipsing cesium as time goes by. Its leaching out. Can you take those fission yield percentages and just add them up and assume thats the percent in used fuel? On the face of it, I kind of doubt it

                • Code,
                  volatile means the ones released as gases, IMHO and without further research.

                  Yes, add them up. it depends on the burnup percentage and what stage in the fuel cycle they are at.

                  But an order of magnitude should not be ignored.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    After a typical burn-up, the radioactivity of the spent fuel has increased by a factor of a million (1017 becquerel/metric tonne of fuel). One year after discharge from a reactor, the dose rate measured one meter from the fuel assembly is one
                    million millisieverts per hour (for comparison, the natural background dose is on the order of three millisieverts per year). A person exposed to this level of radioactivity at a distance
                    of one meter would receive a lethal dose in less than a minute; hence spent fuel must be handled remotely. This dramatic increase in radioactivity is caused by the presence of 3 to 4 atomic percent of fission products (e.g. 129I, 131I, 137Cs, 90Sr), transuranium elements (e.g. 239Pu, 237Np, 241Am), and activation products (e.g. 14C, 60Co, and 63Ni) in the metal spent fuel assemblies. The very penetrating ionizing
                    radiation (β and γ) comes mainly from short-lived fission products, such as 137Cs and 90Sr, with half-lives of about 30 years. These fission products are mainly responsible for the thermal heat from the fuel (1300 watts/tonne of fuel after 40 years). The less penetrating radiation from α-decay events comes mainly from the very long-lived actinides, such as 239Pu and 237Np, with half-lives of 24,100 years and 2.1 million years, respectively.

                    http://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Bruno_and_Ewing_Elements_2006.pdf

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      readers digest version; spent fuel contains 3 to 4 percent of fission products.

                      Even after a year, its so poisonous you get a fatal dose in less than a minute standing a meter away from it. Its in the ocean and on our food, and this is called safe by the nuclear industry!

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      spent fuel overview;

                      'spent fuel consists of three classes of materials. The fission products, which make up 3 to 5 percent of the used fuel, comprised of the lighter elements created when the Uranium atoms split. After about ten years, the activity is dominated by cesium 137 and strontium 90'

                      'Uranium makes up the bulk of the spent nuclear fuel (around 94 percent); this is unfissioned uranium that has lost most of its uranium 235 and resembles natural uranium. This component is only mildly radioactive'

                      'The third type is the transuranic component, elements heavier than uranium. This part of the fuel is mainly a blend of plutonium isotopes, and americium. Although the transuranic elements make up only about 1 percent of the spent fuel, they constitute the main source of today’s nuclear waste problem because they are highly radioactive for thousands of years'

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  why it matters…well one thing is that if there was a lot more nuclear material…aerosols…it suggests the explosions were involved in the release. Units 1, 3 and 4. That is quite different than the narrative which tries to suggest that the explosions were 'harmless' hydrogen. Also, modeled estimates of release that dont take into account explosive release could be way off.
                  But to batt wildly on estimates isnt productive either. 3 ounces, 50 tons, 300 tons, 15000 tons…I think we can narrow it down a little. My 1/2 cents worth

                  • razzz razzz

                    You are so confusing. You can hug a fresh unused uranium fuel rod without suffering any consequences then after becoming used, otherwise known as a 'spent fuel rod' it is then a million times more radioactive than the fresh fuel rod (which is true) but a spent fuel rod only contains 3% fissile materials (which is also true, BTW the new actinides are all manmade) then you quantitate the radioactive by-products aka decay chains available for release during the meltdowns.

                    From there, it's a matter of figuring how much nuclear fuel was actually released to the air, aquifers/sea and ground.

                    What nuclear fuel didn't go airborne, remains behind to erode into freshwater aquifers then into the Pacific Ocean since there is no containment(s).

                    Notable that Unit 2 robotic inspection show high radioactive readings (in so much as derived and not a true reading) compared to Unit 1 recent radioactive readings. Can only surmise that most of the remaining melt of Unit 1 is underwater being shielded and Unit 2's melt is largely exposed. Directly measuring Unit 3 is pretty much hopeless as the other endeavors have been only borderline possible.

                    As to radioactive fuel released during a meltdown, fall back on the German study with its plausible scenario. Need only ask TEPCO or the US Navy what true percentages were detected in airborne monitoring during initial blasts so to calculate how much melted rod material was left behind.

                    Virtual fuel removal, no problem.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      razzz, Im confused that you find me so confusing. What part exactly?

                      the relevance of my humble input relates to this point above in the thread. I tried to give some ballpark idea…how much fuel is still there as corium and splatter; The overwhelming majority

                      http://enenews.com/officials-melted-fuel-still-leaking-from-fukushima-reactor-likely-escaping-from-opening-at-bottom-of-containment-vessel-govt-experts-want-to-give-up-sending-in-robots-to-search-for-molten-cor/comment-page-1#comment-830630

                    • razzz razzz

                      You are actually quoting parts of the German study where they pointed out that Strontium-90 would increasing become a problem after 5 years or so. Maybe more of a problem than radiocesium or radioiodine dilemmas. They had all the release ratios figured properly just not the magnitude event situation (3 melted cores).

                      You can just multiply the German's findings x3 and wait for actual percentage release numbers whenever they become available for the Daiichi melts.

                      The boiling off or aerosolization of certain radionuclides is the great unknown. But if the Pacific die offs are any indicator then it is much worse than anyone wants to comprehend even though hillary had staff issue internal guidelines for Daiichi fallout while o'bummer fled the country with a hundred of his closest friends to avoid the initial Daiichi plume.

                      Since then, they keep raising the background radiation levels to compensate for Daiichi fallout. That includes raising 'acceptable' exposure and internal dose rates, far above what was recommended or tolerated pre-2011 levels. It was either raise exposure rates or throw a lot of food away and admit liability for new cancers…like that would ever happen i.e. USS Reagan sailors can't even have their day in court yet.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Me thinks they will have to raise those numbers again and soon..

                      'This has created a dangerous situation in which a thermo-nuclear war may break out any moment on the peninsula and posed serious threat to the world peace and security, to say nothing of those in Northeast Asia,' it said.

                      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4411108/North-Korea-hits-Trump-ahead-Day-Sun.html#ixzz4eCwRBNSN
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                      Who balls are the bigger balls?

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      I just want to clarify for everyone that might be interested, since we know what has happened with Fukushima, that if anyone wants to show them their biggest Nuclear balls in the near future..

                      We are all on our own!

                      All of us are/will be on our own.

                      Pretty sure that is why the rich are building their own underground survival bunkers!

                      They already know the truth!

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      indeed razzz, scientists have an in-depth knowledge of destroyed fuel and its products. But the point was made that a ballpark estimate of atmospheric fuel aerosols exceeded the fission product 'source term'. So that was part of my point; It was a field test finding that large amount of fuel and power plant alloy in the form of micro spheres roughly the size of red blood cells was produced. That is, an explosive release of micronized nuclear power plant stuff different than simple hydrogen explosion residue.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      quote; 'Following severe nuclear events, a major fraction of refractory radionuclides can be present as radioactive particles. The particle characteristics will depend on the source and the release scenarios, and such information should be included in the source term. Furthermore, assessments are traditionally based on average bulk mass or surface activity concentrations of radionuclides in environmental compartments (Bq/kg, Bq/m2 or Bq/L), assuming that a limited number of samples are representative. Localised heterogeneities such as particles will, however, be unevenly distributed, and representative sampling can be questionable. Due to structural properties, dissolution of radionuclides from particles prior to measurements may be partial. For areas affected by particle contamination, the inventories can be underestimated, and impact and risk assessments may suffer from unacceptable large uncertainties if radioactive particles are ignored

                      Sources Contributing to Radionuclides in the Environment: With Focus on Radioactive Particles

                      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283644030_Sources_Contributing_to_Radionuclides_in_the_Environment_With_Focus_on_Radioactive_Particles [accessed Apr 14, 2017].

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      razzz, not just volatile fission product release from heat, but fuel 'relocation' via steam and fuel exothermic explosion, not just hydrogen

                      computer modelling of a severe accident without any water injection of a spent fuel pool as per conditions of Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant spent fuel pool;

                      'Fuel relocation could cause the conductivity change and the release of radionuclides. In the SFP severe accident, lots of heat was from the oxidation heat. When the zirconium mass became larger, a higher oxidation caused the failure'

                      https://www.euronuclear.org/events/topfuel/topfuel2015/transactions/topfuel2015-transactions-poster.pdf

                      a violent oxidation reaction occurred with the zirconium based alloys at high temperature. This prompted the search for different, more accident tolerant fuel cladding alloys that dont burn up and release fuel and cladding/containment alloy particles. It was found that severe steam oxidation and exothermic reaction…explosion…of the metallic core components occurred

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      refractory transuranic nuclides, plutonium in the forms of fine particles, were released into the environment, and piled up as black dust along roadsides. for the FDNPP-accident released (241)Pu, a similar radiation impact can be estimated as was seen for the global fallout deposited (241)Pu in the last decades from nuclear bomb tests. (13 to 546 Bq/m, and estimated at 5% of the core inventory) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25881009

                      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25014620

                    • razzz razzz

                      What they can't quantify is how many new radioactive products and byproducts were created due to ongoing fission after the initial meltdowns.

                      Versus Chernobyl that burnt itself out being high and dry whereas Daiichi melts found water to moderate themselves in besides the possibility that a molten radioactive mass can internally moderate itself if configure correctly by chance (Unit 2's melted mass might be a good example).

                      If these 3 melts were self fissioning for months on end, which would account for excess heating, there is no telling how many new radionuclides were produced.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The FIRST TWO TASKS after the Fukushima Disaster began were the following:
      1. Find the corium.
      2. Produce a 3D corium map.

      All Tepco has done is to muck about in radioactive water.
      Oh, and they sent robots ib to explore lots of places where the corium isn't.

      Where is thedamn corium, Tepco? 😉

  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Which one is lethal:
    1) 9.4Sv
    2) 25Sv
    3) 250Sv
    4) 560Sv
    5) All of the above?

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      You forgot to mention a reading at reactor 2 (iirc) recently, which wasn't even in range to identify the corium was over 600 sieverts per hour, more than twice as high peak chernobyl readings (which of course, were almost directly after the disaster there). That means the radiation for a single failed reactor at fukushima (which they can't even see or identify and breaks their shitty robots) is quite possibly even significantly above 1000 sieverts per hour. No worries.

      On that other site, Timmeh has been trying to suggest shit like:

      "so far, no increase in birth defects, congenital malformations, stillbirths, or premature births could be linked to radiation exposures caused by (Chernobyl)."

      Of course, his replies have been allowed, while mine hasn't (linking to nbc, cbs, japantimes, theguardian, etc), and i wasn't even nearly as insulting there as I typically am.

  • DUDe DUDe

    "..challenging engineers to come up with technology that doesn’t exist to deal with a nuclear disaster the likes of which has never been known.."

    A Nuclear Disaster The Likes Of Which Has Never Been Known !!!

    NEVER BEEN KNOWN..But plenty well accurate enough described in all them warnings and pleas and peacefull (untill the riotpolice had their way) anti-nuclear protest from the then future victims that are now the suffering consequence collectors of your psychopathic hubris you planetkilling warprofiting parasites..Death-sentences..

    That's exactly what warnings are invented fore you freakishly absurd concentrated sacks of EVIL..to avoid creating a unseen DISASTER where there is NONE !

    Y'all should be donating every dime you made as a MONSTER to help-organizations for nuclear victims and such and then go whipping yourself nonstop with barbwire in public while begging for orders what to do to be forgiven..to receive infinite more mercy you dont deserve then what you where capable of giving..correction..you gave nothing at all ever..you TOOK away without a second thought the maximum of everything..YOU destroyed ALL life from within..

  • anotherhuman

    … and yet America media says that Fukushima is not a problem….

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Hey, south african media has also tried to suppress information about that (i've had more than 10 replies, in particular replies to a pro-nuke shills) and they weren't even insulting, deleted on a south african "information technology" site.

      Pretty sure the same crap happens in most imperialist sold out societies.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Repost:
    I want this to be seen.

    What is it with guys like Dutchsinse and David Icke, they can go all the way out on their tangents.
    Yet they fail to understand that the majority of a 4-6 nuclear reactor site, lost it's cookies, and according to Ken Buesseler the majority went into the ocean.
    They just can't get it.
    What is it with them? ..they can't control the information input so they would rather deny the existence of the situation?

    Fukushima Radiation on US West Coast Poses No Health Risk, Scientists Say
    April 11 2017

    https://www.davidicke.com/article/408935/fukushima-radiation-us-west-coast-poses-no-health-risk-scientists-say

    David Icke – NEW UPDATE Reptilians Are About To Attack 2017
    March 15 2017

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPZ84qPaxOk

    Muse on, baby.

    • Heart, it is something weird that I cannot readily explain. Perhaps they are pursuing the "no harm meme" in order to reach a broader audience, in order for more coverage by "mainstream" type media outlets.

      Perhaps they are click whores and will try anything….

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        I don't know, stock.
        I don't lose any sleep worrying about their opinions..

        • DUDe DUDe

          "..I don't lose any sleep worrying about their opinions.."

          Just imaging that on top of coping with the frightening reality that our Shared Planetary Future has become TATAL (Toxic At The Atomic Level)..

          That we would also have to worry whilest being culled with the liveblob about the mental wellbeing of those who stole our future and continue to do so whilest selling it as "GREATNESS"..

          They are trying though..with neverending increasing taxes to fund/pay for the exponential mess they make of everything they touch with their warprofiting monster minds..on a finite planet..(keep smiling)..

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Heart I know many scientists that just can't wrap their heads around how dire
      Fuku truly is and that ongoing fission has no solution but they insist that it's
      In the ocean and not to worry? What can I say ignorance is bliss ''tis folly to be wise. I
      know nothing currently exists to battle this nightmare but I do wish
      TEPCO would dry cask the common SFP that's a little something they could accomplish?
      Of course the cost is probably a factor as they wasted all their money
      on the infamous ice wall like trying to put out the sun. What a species.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "they can go all the way out on their tangents."

      Perhaps Dutchsinse would be better suited than robots to get to the cores. Maybe he could get crowd-funded like Dana Durnford and explore the reactor. Plus, he should have no fear, as all the radioactive debris was removed already, in his opinion.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Heart, whenever we read an article re: Fukushima which begins with, "Despite," we know there will be denial, correct?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      The alien reptiles are a much bigger threat, LOL. 😉

      Roit-O, Mate!

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        There has been a massive attempt (and it succeeded) to get everyone dumbed down to the risks of radiation, since Chernobyl happened.

        Remember the "Bad Old Days" when it was known the stuff could and WOULD kill a person sufficiently exposed? (Of course we know it doesn't take much to get us "sufficiently" exposed to cause illness & even death.)

  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Which one can be found in the building:
    1) 50Sv/h
    2) 530Sv/h
    3) 20Sv/h
    4) All of the above?

    You may refer to diagram

    http://akiomatsumura.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/asahireactor2.jpg

    For extra points: Which one is likely to disappear by 2021?
    For a Golden Certificate of Interest: Mark the 9.4Sv/h spot in red.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    OT, will post more at Non-Nuclear forum. Please post replies at Forum.

    From the EMF Safety Network:

    "The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is proposing to mandate radar (called V2V technology) in all new cars and light trucks. The stated purpose of V2V is to improve driving safety and pave the way for self-driving cars.

    V2V is like a smart meter in your car!"

    Public comment is being taken until Wednesday, April 12.

    Also providing a link to World Health Organization publication re: high frequency RF and human health. Worth reading.

    http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs226/en/

    Here is a link to post your public comment.

    "NHTSA is accepting comments until Wed. April 12. Please comment on why you oppose V2V here:"

    https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=NHTSA-2016-0126-0009

    When is the non-ionizing radiation bombardment going to stop? We're also going to get 5G wireless networks soon. Direct to you, courtesy of industry, w/o proper government oversight & informed consent. And communication nodes will likely NOT be visible to us. Coming to a City Street Light near you….

    This kind of thing is generally NOT allowed in Europe. It's like US Citizens are guinea pigs for every new technology being rolled out. OK, the Chinese do it, too. Just seems like consumers and citizens have very little input or protection & it's all about industry & the Almighty Dollar. $$$$$

  • Isthmus

    Ho-Taters Yes, and also no mass graves, first there are the first responders to take you to the mortician , all done next please.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      We are being absolutely FRIED with all the ionizing and non-ionizing radiation.

      Have come to the conclusion that's why I no longer feel fully alive, since about 2010.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Everyone including myself is walking into stores, paying for things, and walking out without the merchandise purchased. Maybe you turn back and get your items before the clerk has to run outside, maybe not.

        I just found someones wallet in a shopping cart sitting at the cart rack the other day.

        I believe it is becoming much more common. Hell, the other day the guy in front of me did it. I chuckled to myself that I'm not the only one, only to do it myself right after the last guy.

        Idiocracy…. I don't feel bad. In the movie they got lucky and found someone with a brain left in a time capsule.

        We may not be so lucky. How long before Trump sprays bullets at the press?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      It can be argued this is all part of Agenda 21 and it's a "soft kill" operation.

      Greed or soft kill by design?

      Greed and the lust for power are strong driving factors in the minds of sociopaths and psychopaths.

      Add in the stupidity and indifference factor, and Agenda 21 or no Agenda 21, you have a recipe for utter catastrophe.

  • Anything with a signal will crash within a half an hour. (that is being generous).

    Does anyone else get the impression that the fuel in r1 has been cooling in the over flooded basement since the june 2012. I believe this is the true situation.
    Did anyone see if they ever unflooded the reactor post 3.11? It was fully flooded at that time. I mever saw an additional report to claim otherwise after all this time..
    Image:
    http://www.gettyimages.com/event/debris-and-contaminated-water-still-fill-no-4-reactor-building-of-fukushima-daiichi-466595743?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect#-picture-id466029691

    I believe this was intentional. I also believe there are a few floors continually being flooded. Further showing its intentional.

    The rest is a horse and pony show until we know those answers as common knowledge in the first place-

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      With that in mind, I think "measured" radiation readings from the coast at Fukushima are all lies.

    • The reactors all have huge HOLES in them, and the 'cooling' water poured in goes out through those holes, into the basements, along with radiation and heavy metal poisons picked up along the way.

      Then the basement water 'leaks' out into the ocean via a number of channels, cracks, etc.. and flows along with the underground river that may also be 'holding' the various corium 100 ton lava blobs that came out of the various reactors.

      It may take 100 years for them to admit this…. and 200 years to find where the blobs are, at the rate that they are going.

      Not wanting to know is the biggest problem, and one that cannot be solved.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Not only do the reactors have HUGE holes in them, but they are designed to have huge holes in them. The holes at the bottom of the reactors allow the control rods to be inserted during a Scram operation, to enable an emergency reactor shutdown.

        https://www.scribd.com/document/284286671/Scram

        See the bottom of the reactor diagram for the location of the control rods. The fuel exited the containment in the reactor vessel, through those holes.

        http://boingboing.net/2011/03/22/cool-diagram-of-a-nu.html

        Yes, elementary for those of us who have seen this a bazillion times now, but some of us may not have seen and grasped this yet.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          The diagram of the BWR kind of looks like a big, ugly spider, non?

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Speaking of spiders, I saw a spider on my floor last night. I could tell it was a spider for sure by the way it walked. I picked up a piece of foil paper from an empty lens cleaning wipe, and gently smashed it.

            Spiders generally are easy to smash. I thought I noticed legs moving though the whole spider was still sitting still. I reached down to smash it again. The way I was leaning down was difficult and my weight shifted as I pressed down on the spider. I put a bit more into smashing the spider than I had intended.

            There was a "crunch" sound as the spider's shell caved in.

            Wait a minute… a spider doesn't have a shell.

            Apparently spiders are changing.

            WTF

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              It's just Chitin, uni, not to worry. That's what gives it the crunchy sound and feel. Wasps and hornets are crunchy too. Have had to give them a good smash when they're stinging. It's not until their hard little bodies go crunch! that I feel safe again.

  • papacares papacares

    Friends, walked my little stretch of beach and noticed the smell of death. As I got closer to the waters the sand suddenly revealed billions of dead purple sail jellyfish of every size, however most were about as large as a grain of sand what turned it an eerily bluish purple. Most tourists do not notice how the beaches have become strangely sanitized now. Void of almost everything but trash and driftwood. It is so sad to see how much the pacific has died since 3/11. So very very sad. Am also noticing the number of gulls is slowly reducing even though our estuary is filled with harbor seals accompanied by eager eagles looking for a wayward pup.
    Also this years spring break whale watching was a big bust. Hardly anyone out with wares for tourists because surprise the whales did not show. 5 or 6 years ago it was nothing to see them. It has been almost a year now since I have spotted a whale. Beach side sea bass fishing is OK as the fish are rabid for food but who would ever eat one unless they had a death wish.
    Would love to report something good like a turn-around or some such but just when it seems the end of this disaster is almost at hand, then wham another one bites the dust.
    Peace out

    • We have had record numbers of humpback whale sightings off the Pacific coast of Nicaragua. In the past two weeks, many friends witnessed whales in the act of breeding. This is normally the time of year we see them, but there are so many now that people have created whale watching trips.

      I try to convince myself that the ocean conveyer belt and the below the jet stream status of my home kept the area safer from the effects of Fukushima. CPM on my rad monitor has been between 14-22 for several years. Maybe the whales will migrate here. None of my sea captain and fisherman friends have noticed a decrease in turtles, dolphins or whales. If anything, there are more sightings. Fishing isn't great, but that is due to overfishing by the Japanese in the 1990s. It never really recovered after that.

      • There is a HUGE difference between southern and northern hemisphere… as far as oceans go..

        Currents divide them into 'separate' entities, at least for awhile.

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Dr. Goodheart, would you say my attempts to acquire iodized (that is not like typical iodized salt, from an aquifer, with added kelp, from the southern) much higher calcium and lower sodium, from the atlantic is a reasonable alternative/response to some other things?

          Potassium iodide and iodine concentrates (mostly kelp derived) happen to be particuarly expensive (almost $100 for few hundred grams), so at about $3.5 for a kilogram, I figured it'd be worth trying. I've done far more stupid shit than that

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Nicaragua is in the Northern Hemisphere. But you are correct, Doc, in stating there is division of waters between the Hemispheres, to a limited extent.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Possibly irrelevant, but perhaps (if you consider the amount of whale strandings, disease, shark appearances, etc at some other places) what you are seeing COULD be a whales migrating closer towards coasts as the ecosystems collapse.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Nicaragua is far enough south that it might not get as much admixture of waters as farther north. See this simplified diagram of The Great Oceanic Conveyor Belt.

        http://oceanmotion.org/html/background/ocean-conveyor-belt.htm

        But then again, "what goes around comes around." See the video here, a reasonably good model:

        https://pmm.pps.eosdis.nasa.gov/education/videos/thermohaline-circulation-great-ocean-conveyor-belt

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          There must be other factors at work which might explain why the North Pacific has been so devastated, post-Fukushima. The rain-outs and fallout over the Pacific is one explanation. The presence of the Kuroshio current is another one.

          Anyone care to chime in?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuroshio_Current

        • In Nicaragua, we get off shore winds (coming from the Atlantic and the lake) 9 months out of the year, which is another reason I feel relatively safe here. I have spent many, many hours/days/weeks of my life looking at currents, wind and jet stream patterns over the past – OMG – six years. I wish I had the skills to create mapping models, but when I imagine it as a fractal based on the movements, it seems like the Pacific Coast of Nicaragua is one of the safest areas on the world – if the convention belt moves the radiation to Australia (dying GBR, anyone?) from et Pacific Northwest. Hard to say, as there are no rad measurements here. I may be the only person with a radiation monitor in the country, or at least one of only a handful. I haven't met anyone else actively testing here – and my testing is limited. I assume if there were others, they would read this site and would have contacted me.

          I have noticed a significant decline in fish, animal, bird and insect life when I visit my family in Florida, though I attribute much of that to the GOM blowout and Corexit dump on the Gulf Coast. It's eery. It's been my second home for two decades, an island I know intimately. About 1/10th of the wildlife that once existed now remains.

            • From the link:

              George Kennan, in a 1948 document, when he headed the planning staff of the Dept. of State, wrote: “…we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction…We should cease to talk about vague and -for the Far East – unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

              Pretty much sums it all up.

              • Ya Kelly Ann, and you had the courage to leave the "good 'ol USA". Congrats.

              • DUDe DUDe

                "..We should cease to talk about vague and -for the Far East – unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

                Pretty much sums it all up.."

                The only promise the American Government honored till the end..to never cease to de-humanise itself..

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Hmmn, yes, they have been at this game for a long time. There used to be more truth available to the general public, it seems. Unless you happened to be downwind or otherwise an object of their obfuscations.

      • DUDe DUDe

        "..Fishing isn't great, but that is due to overfishing by the Japanese in the 1990s. It never really recovered after that.."

        No unimportant detail..some balances do not recover easely or ever at all behind certain manmade tippingpoints..

    • Dr. Paolo Scampa – 9 Tons Of Radiotoxic Isotopes Came Out Of Fukushima, 28 Times Chernobyl 6 Billion Curies, Enough To Kill The Whole Human Race By Internal Radiation From 168 Billion Curies
      http://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2013/11/dr-paolo-scampa-9-tons-of-radiotoxic.html

      • he is off by a factor of 20 times, low.

        Even so it not an ELE overall, but sure looks like it is killing off the Pacific food chain pretty effectively.

        I asked Busby if he agrees with my 10000 to 20000 equivalent nuclear bombs, and he thought that was way high, and asked me for my calcs….

        After a very exciting 2 months in Hawaii, I am bogged down by lists of things to do, and don't have time to dig up my calcs, but will revisit this sometime soon.

        I also want to set up a radiation monitoring station that goes to online services. I have 2 identical Inspector GC's

        • The nuclear industry says only a couple grams came out.

          So when he says 9 TONS that is quite a difference.

          My personal opinion is more on the order of 300 TONS or more..

          But that is just me, a tiny drop in a huge ocean of opinions.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            The Daiichi complex had a total of 1800 tons of fresh and used nuclear fuel. IF all of the volatile fission products were released, it would be like 50 tons. Stocks extrapolation points to an anomaly. The extra tons of stuff must be exploded, aerosolized zirconium, steel, uranium and concrete

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Well, we know that even 6 years later, a single reactor at fukushima is a minimum of about twice as radioactive as chernobyl was at peak level.

            Considering the other statistics about the power plants, comparatively, I'm not gonna make claims about mass (though it'd be interesting if we could have proper statistics about that), it's quite safe to say that chernobyl ism't really on the same scale.

            Of course, some pro-nuke guys actually suggest there are no deaths, etc linked to chernobyl, eben, nevermind fukushima.

            This is why we can't just sit here on enenews.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          stock, what did you think when you did your Whale Count survey in Hawaii? What's your read on the state of life in the Pacific, in Hawaii?

          A friend of mine says there is less and less sealife and fish there very year since the mid-1980's.

          Really value your opinion, since you lived there, and know the area and the sealife.

          • It was really fun event, and I will do again, although next year could be my last, as I am selling the house and the business and kind of consolidating my life where it is easier to keep an eye on things.

            I did just one site of around 50 sites, and we saw just massive amounts of whales in all kind of activities. The 14 year veteran lady who always does THAT site, said that it was by leaps and bounds more whales than she has ever seen there. But the prior month, there was zero at that site.

            I think they are still crunching the data, there is a massive amount of data. It was well organized, but also casual.

            I got to put my Canon 6D camera to use! Xmas present for myself, because no one else is going to buy you a $3000 camera and accessories. Those are still on my portable hard-drive that I need to consolidate onto my server, organize, and I WILL POST UP

            So there, whale report and a slice of life

          • HoTaters, i think I mentioned to you my main past time in Hawaii was SCUBA, I did over 900 dives. I love the ocean, we saw the best of it. It is still "fun" but not when you know what it used to be. Fish life and coral life has been decimated, and the dest4ruction of the food chain doesn't help.

            Disappointing doesn't even begin to describe the emotion……

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              Stock, personal assessment, do you think considering the state of the ocean, the "spontaneous" yet "contagiuous" cancer, their cluelessness, plankton ecosystem collapsing salmon failure, strandings, etc. is normal?

              That amount of whales, along with say the appearance of sharks. Are the majority of whales fleeing to coasts in search of food? It is very hard for me to be able to tell.

            • DUDe DUDe

              "..and the dest4ruction of the food chain doesn't help.."

              ..and the CONTINUED UNSTOPPABLE destruction of the foodchain..doesn't help..

              🙁

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Went to Hawaii and did quite a bit of shallow diving in the late 1960's. It was magnificent there, truly awe-inspiring. Your report saddens me.

      • One Nuclear Power Plant Legally Releases 1,000 Hiroshima bombs Worth Of Radioactive Heavy Metal Poisons Every Year, HUGE Radiation Releases/Venting Spikes During Refueling Is Normal And Routine, Poisons End Up In Air, Drinking Water, Ground
        http://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2015/03/regular-huge-radiation-releasesventing.html

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        10,000 hiroshima bombs
        http://www.npsag.org/upload/reports/00-004/00-004%20Castle%20Meeting%202011%2009%20-%20Paper.pdf
        A range of possible
        atmospheric source terms is estimated, using three methods:
        dosimetric measurements
        at the plant, simplified accident progression, and aerial USDOE maps of
        surface
        contamination. Estimates from other sources are also included to arrive at the ranges.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Papacares, if it helps, we saw what you describe annually, when we lived on the North Coast in California. I don't think that event (finding these dead creatures) is in and of itself cause for concern.

      Not intending to minimize the situation with massive die-off's in the North Pacific. 'Just don't think using the little jellyfish you describe is the best example.

      Just sayin' and not meant as a personal attack, or an attack on your credibility.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    a search with the terms "Japanese" and "Salmon" (in my instance also "crash") results are saturated with news of tapeworms

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/01/13/salmon-large-tapeworms-arrive-us/96534500/

  • Isthmus

    I've come to the conclusion that Mexico and beyond is less expensive to live, less radiation , more food available, less roundup , and definatly more relaxed people, that includes me, and I won't worry about the typo's.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Get past all the tapeworm stories

    http://islandbreath.blogspot.com/2017/03/collapse-of-pacific-salmon-run.html

    http://russgeorge.net/2016/07/29/alaskan-aleutian-terns-nearly-all-gone/

    ELE within limits set for ELEs by government. If any species decimated is important, you will be notified and a statement of nuclear industry innocence and species expendability statement will be issued promptly.

    https://www.fws.gov/alaska/fisheries/mmm/walrus/pdf/UME_Rad_Statement.pdf

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    TEPCO stated very early on that they needed to use technology that had yet to be invented to clean this mess up. It's like they need to make a shovel they can dig on the Sun with.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      That will be fun for them and the rest of the world residing downwind..

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Thanks Nuclear! 🙁

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      • Isthmus

        Obe If there should be the jet stream coming at us with fallout from recent explosions, here are some things we need to know. 1 If you have intense itching on the skin, Niacin always with Vit.-C will cause a red flushing reaction in approx 10 to 20 min. depending on a persons digestive health. Then approx. 20 min later the reaction will have run it's course and subside. Now notice the itching has stopped. This should tell you how Niacin can release the dark energy that was stored as a mental effect on the cells of the body. Dark energy has been my study for 35 yrs. + I have taken Niacin for 35 yrs. and have learned very important data to pass on. I know I'm the newby here but have been watching since 3/11, There is a protocol, for the way out is the way through. If your interested then let me know. 300 to 500 MG of Niacin + Vit-C might turn the situation of cancer around . The protocol is all important .

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Excellent! 🙂 Agree!

          • Isthmus

            What I know 1 The reaction will always release the most recent effects first, so if you wait until there is heavy symptoms, that means you will have to take some amount and the radiation received in the recent minutes and hours or days, have to be released first before you can access the Radiation that caused the symptom, that's what they call cumulative. Now what number of MG was taken today must be repeated the next day with the same amount. When the reaction becomes less the person can up the MG at your choosing, now you will be accessing effects earlier in time. basically you can access back to childhood. Recently I took Niacin and the very first reaction on my head was at the entrance of my nose towards the bottom, then realized I had breathed in radiation up my nose. If your nose starts itching, you know what to do. Also recently had developed a small lump like a tumor next to my nose, It went away because I took 1000 MG of the Niacin for several days. cont'd

            • Isthmus

              What I know 2 After the reaction there is a noticeable relaxing of the nervous system, and a loss of body heat which the body recovers soon enough. Also if you time it right and you have a state of relaxation and you get in bed for the night in that state, you fall asleep fast and sleep sound probably all nite. Releasing that dark energy has de-stressed the whole nervous symptom . I new a girl that had so many broken bones, and so many x-rays that she had Leukeima , well she turned that situation around, it can go away. Cont'd tomorrow, this is my most important post here, ask questions . Let's survive like Stock said .

              • Niacin chelates ALL 1000 heavy metal poisons?

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  I have starting taking Kirkland Super B-Complex with electrolytes every day and have never felt better..great energy and noticeable improvements in body function.

                  Works for me! 🙂

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                The Benefits of Bentonite Clay
                https://wellnessmama.com/5915/benefits-of-bentonite-clay/

                Also take Zeolyte to get id of radiation.

              • Isthmus

                What I know 3. This is a two terminal universe, male female, North South, Head superior feet inferior, Hot Cold, just to start. Science used to believe that structure monitored function, now they know the opposite. Mental function monitors structure. Now considering that in this universe all impact creates a round structure, did you see the sun diving comet couple days ago on Suspicious Observers? our planet is mostly round,not quite,the moon is round other planets, and also tumors. It's the function of the impact that creates the round structure. Now that function was a mental energy, and all light energy that gets impacted turns to dark energy, and all dark because it's mental can turn back into light energy. Light energy is the amount you feel alive, also called healthy. I'm 74 this July and I learned a long time ago that the sun radiation was burning my hair, and started taking Niacin to eliminate the effects, perhaps that's why my hair is plenty grows fast and is still brown, just a little sidburn grey, notice I said a burn on the side.

                • Isthmus

                  One thing to be aware of is the radiation coming in on the left side of you while driving, can over time cause the left side of your face to shrink a little more than the right side. A great idea is to have UV protectant applied to your drivers side window, this is real so this is another way to protect yourself. Taking Niacin, don't get scared off by an intense reaction, you should like the reaction, the more intense the reaction, the more benefit you've accomplished. Also important is the body's need for Bioflavonoid, part of Vit-C Complex Keep in mind the Niacin will expand the blood vessels and the strength of the cell walls is provided by the Bioflavonoid it's a typo. In the grocery store you can buy Orange juice, they've taken out all the bioflavinoid because they know people don't like bitterness in their Orange juice. A good example of the bitterness is the rind of a grapfruit, health food store supplement is best source I guess .

              • neptune-klm

                Isthmus-I am also interested in your info email me at auntlinny5@yahoo.com

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Isthmus, I'm interested in this information. Can you pls. send links or docs on this here?

          HoTaters@hush.com

          Thank you.

  • rogerthat

    looking for melted fuel in fukushima is like looking for brains inside the heads of nucleocrats: you have two chances of finding anything useful – fat chance and no chance

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    Define chancer: someone who takes chances and often does improper things to get an advantage over other people — chancer in a sentence.

  • Side effects of NextToNone Drug;

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  • Ask about NextToNone when you visit your local Medico and get a checkup.

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  • More dark humor
    http://jokes.cc.com/funny-dark-humor

    Don't bring a flashlight… unless the batteries are already dead.

  • Would you like some champagne with your nuclear waste?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbRP-QfeI-8

    Benefit? Its FREE

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    1+1=2
    I think David Icke and Dutchsinse can agree to at least the equation.
    This is reactor 1.
    Not Reactor 2..
    In Reactor 1..corium is below with zero availability to view let alone access.
    Sorry folks. no can show the hole..

    1+1=2

    Now they admit 2 reactors are pits of nuclear material..
    In a few weeks there will be some mention of three, another dose of denial about four..
    And so goes the Fukushima musical chairs.
    As the Human mentality flits from one thing to another ..the pits remain.. and the sounds of the reports…
    The sounds of the reports.. do we conspire these things into existence?
    By the sounds of the reports.. the implied hopelessness.. will go on longer than humans can contemplate.

  • curly

    President Trump halts all future plans for use of radioactive substances (including weapons) until something can be done with the poisonous waste products.

  • Breaking – Ex-Iranian President Ahmadinejad registers for presidential election
    http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2017/04/12/ahmadinejad/

    … relates to the nuke club …

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Iodine131 in sewage sludge indicates ongoing fission.
    Half-life is only 8 days.
    In 2015, Iodine131 was the highest since 2013, and going up over time.
    Corium is still hot, and still undergoing fission.

    "Iodine-131 levels in Gunma prefecture sludge skyrocketed on their May 1 report to the highest readings since the huge Fukushima emissions of July 2013. These analyses were actually done in April 21-23. This area is to the southwest of the Fukushima plant."
    http://optimalprediction.com/iodine-131-detections-in-finland-and-norway-preceded-by-detections-in-japan/

    I left a request for Bobby1 to update his graphs of Iodine131 readings in sewage sludge.
    (Glad to have you back on your blog Bobby1!) 🙂

  • curly

    "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear – kept us in a continuous state of patriotic fervour with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home, or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it." General Douglas MacArthur

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    What will Tepco/Japan do now?

    The ONLY thing they can do:
    1. Fill the reactors/containments/torus with borated sand
    2. Bury Units1-4 under a sarcophagus.
    3. Pour a buttressed foundation extending 100' deep, below the lower limit of the aquifer.

    Should have been done long before now.
    At least, they can have some shielding from neutrons and gamma rads.
    And protect the Ocean from getting more radiation.

  • curly

    "Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country that determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, whether it is a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship."

    Hermann Goering

  • curly

    "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

    Hermann Goering

  • Sol Man

    If only it were merely a dance that was done with the devil.

    It is difficult to gauge the level of trouble that the entire world is in because of the death wish of some.

  • curly

    "Those that would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither safety or liberty."

    Benjamin Franklin

    • curly, "deserve" goes too far. The masses, in fact all of us, can be swayed by an endless droning with propaganda.

      And now that the internet lets the powers that be immediately assess the effectiveness of their propaganda, it's even worse.

  • or-well

    "The people will believe what the media tell them they believe."

    George Orwell

  • curly

    "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity for those years."

    David Rockefeller

  • Isthmus

    Anyone know what happened to GOM, she's missing in action, if it's Mac then I'll have to double down on him.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Oh really? Hehe. Yeah I'm pretty good at deception and alting.

      No, I'm not GOM, quite the opposite actually. But well, you can figure that out.

  • curly

    "The world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

    David Rockefeller

  • curly

    "A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude."

    Julian Huxley

  • curly

    'The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."

    Plato

  • curly

    "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."

    Bill Clinton

    • The bastard should be tried for treason just for saying that.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      gov·ern
      ˈɡəvərn/
      verb
      1.
      conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of (a state, organization, or people).
      "he was incapable of governing the country"
      synonyms: rule, preside over, reign over, control, be in charge of, command, lead, dominate; More
      2.
      GRAMMAR
      (of a word) require that (another word or group of words) be in a particular case.
      "the Latin preposition “cum” governs nouns in the ablative"

  • curly

    "The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people"

    Bill Clinton

    • Isthmus

      You mean Curly, clinton the potion salesman reincarnate, he stands up on his soap box with his bag of tricks, enlists peoples sympathy by graveling his voice, as a hurt person, it's unethical to give one sympathy because the word sympathy comes from same-path, and if a person is going down emotionally helping them down is unethical, but it worked form him to get people to agree with him, simply disgusting, and then hillary tried it one time and flopped, an never tried it again that I know of.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    dom·i·na·tion
    ˌdäməˈnāSH(ə)n/
    noun
    1.
    the exercise of control or influence over someone or something, or the state of being so controlled.
    "evil plans for domination of the universe"
    synonyms: rule, government, sovereignty, control, command, authority, power, dominion, dominance, mastery, supremacy, superiority, ascendancy, sway
    "she was put off by the male domination sanctioned by her boyfriend's family"
    2.
    (in traditional Christian angelology) the fourth highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy.

    • Isthmus

      Obe Very good awareness, the word ninefold I haven't digested that to certainty yet, need to mentally scrub that one in context. Here's another one. Interrorgate IN TERRORS GATE

  • Things dont seem to be improving around the planet…

    I seek to purchase a good radiation detector not too expensive

    can you give me some advice ?

    Thank you

  • curly

    "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"

    Henry Kissinger

    • Isthmus

      People often make a statement like that when they are so absorbed with themselves that they are short sighted and talking about themselves. A lot of military do what they do because it is an over ( A harmful act towards another) to not come to the aid of another. However its bait also to join the dark side, takes courage and courage is what builds our adrenal content, which becomes our immune system . Did you hear recently a person interviewed said thank you Trump for coming to Syria to help stop the slaughter of their people, and they don't want to come to America they want to stay in their Syrian home. No doubt it's not going to be business as usual for Assad .

      • DUDe DUDe

        "..Did you hear recently a person interviewed said thank you Trump for coming to Syria to help stop the slaughter of their people, and they don't want to come to America they want to stay in their Syrian home. No doubt it's not going to be business as usual for Assad.."

        You have a link to that act pls ?

        • Isthmus

          The person was on a liberal station, I think it was CNN, possibly MSNBC, The interviewer was all ready for the person from Syria to start bashing Trump, but instead was praising him, and this statement I think was on fox, anyway someone screwed up getting him on a liberal talk show, that's all I can remember at this time, yesterday the 11th.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Sending in robots is getting quite expensive.

    Government considers placing pictures of the lost corium on milk bottles

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