Officials by West Coast Speak Out on Fukushima: Concerns about cancer, illness from contaminated food — ‘Low-level’ radiation being reported in fish — “We cannot sit by and watch and wait” — National gov’t appears to not be taking it seriously

Published: January 20th, 2014 at 3:34 pm ET


The Haida Nation’s 2013 House of Assembly, Dec. 2013: With ongoing and increased concerns about the aftermath of the 2011 nuclear disaster in Japan, and considering our reliance on seafood here on Haida Gwaii, the Council of the Haida Nation will look at ways to work with the provincial and federal governments to request that the Japanese government provide open and honest updates on the nuclear waste leaching into the Pacific Ocean.

Tahltan Central Council, Jan. 14, 2014: Because of growing concerns throughout the Tahltan Nation regarding negative impacts the Fukushima nuclear disaster has on our fisheries (specifically salmon), TCC President Annita McPhee emails National Chief Atleo seeking action to ensure that the full measure of potential impacts is being systematically and properly studied, and everything is done within the power of our Nations, as well as Canada, to ensure that our salmon are saved.

Message to National Chief Atleo from Tahltan Central Council President Annita McPhee: I am writing to inform you of growing concerns the Tahltan Nation has regarding potential impacts of the Fukushima nuclear disaster on our fisheries and salmon in particular. We are concerned about consuming fish that may have been impacted by radiation and getting cancer or other illnesses as a result. […] The Fukushima disaster is unlike others that humanity has experienced before. […] We do know, however, that low-level radiation has been reported in fishery stocks. As well, sockeye salmon stocks had a devastating year. We cannot sit by and watch and wait to see what the full impacts of the Fukushima disaster will be on our salmon and our way of life. Co-ordinated action needs to be taken to ensure that the full measure of potential impacts is being systematically and properly studied, and everything is done within the power of our Nations, as well as Canada, to ensure that our salmon are saved. To date, we have not seen or heard of Canada taking this issue seriously and working in a real way to address it. We would ask that you, in your capacity as National Chief, raise this critical issue at the highest levels of the Federal Government, and demand action. […]

Read the message in full here

Published: January 20th, 2014 at 3:34 pm ET


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118 comments to Officials by West Coast Speak Out on Fukushima: Concerns about cancer, illness from contaminated food — ‘Low-level’ radiation being reported in fish — “We cannot sit by and watch and wait” — National gov’t appears to not be taking it seriously

  • Socrates

    If the fish all die off, then you don't have to worry about the effects of eating them…

    Oceans are undergoing nitrogen – oxygen problems that are changing the populations of algae. In turn, toxins are forming..Some of this is caused by activities of mankind; some is caused by post Ice Age changes.

    PSYORG had interesting abstracts about the bad algae forming at great depths. Add radiation, arsenic and flush…

    • Socrates

      Researchers at San Francisco State University published an article in February 2013 in the Journal of Phycology that O2 levels have fallen leading to an overgrowth of Pseudo-nitzchia, a phytoplankton. These algae release domoic acid.

      HURL; SOEST; LLNL; AND UCSC participated in deep sea studies of corrals.

      These studies indicate long-term warming from the last 20,000 to 10,000 years ago plus adverse changes in nitrogen-fixing.

      Runoff from fertilizers and dumping affect the nitrogen – oxygen ratios.

      We are aware that the Chinese banned seafood. While anti-nuclear people.may want to blame radiation levels, we need to understand numerous studies published in the past year.

      I am surprised that Lawrence Livermore Labs, San Francisco State University, University of Santa Cruz, and elsewhere have not made statements about die offs.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Socrates…I read the article, and was reminded how Lake Tahoe has lost much of it's clarity due to fertilizer run-off feeding algae originating from lakefront estates, and golf courses.

        The common theme among all of these articles and the ongoing pollution/disasters, is that the greed and gain of a few has ruined the planet for everyone.

        • Socrates

          I was crossing the Alps into Austria five years ago and photographed the emerald algae in Alpine lakes. I lived in Reno during the late 40s and early 50s…I have hiked out of Tahoe into Lake Lois and Doris in the Sierras. The Truckee River used to flow clean from Tahoe.

          Climate change in the past two hundred years, but also in the time since the last ice age plus agricultural runoff and dumping is all catching up to us. It has warmed since the last ice age. Nobody can dispute that fact. 12 million years ago, during the Miocene, there were huge lakes where there are deserts. I used to go on paleontological expeditions in the early 60s. Studied geology back then. It is heartbreaking to witness the changes.

          I spent many, many years on the West Coast, mostly So Cal but also north. Really bad changes. In Hawaii.too.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            I lived in Tahoe for 8 years…hiked desolation wilderness many times…I can't go anymore as it breaks my heart to see all the development that has occurred. Whether it is Tahoe, or the Pacific, it is obvious the Earth is possibly being polluted to the point of no return.

      • Lawrence Livermore Labs and UC Berkeley too connected with DOE that is run by Energy Industry.

        • Socrates

          Right. UC Santa Cruz, not Berkeley. I know what you mean as soon as I saw Lawrence Livermore Labs. But there are many studies by many universities all pointing to exactly the same conclusion. The climate has changed and the nitrogen/oxygen rations are bad, getting worse.

      • It gets much worse…

        Nuclear Energy As A Direct Cause Of Global Warming; via @AGreenRoad

    • GOM GOM

      Socrates. There is some pretty heavy stuff on that site. I noted the article regarding TV watchers and the disregard of suffering in other countries. I just about said the same thing in my post below. Thanks.

      • Socrates


        You can listen to the articles in the text – to – pod version rather than to read.

        I was stunned by the climate change and nitrogen-fixing studies
        With news about toxic algae.

        These patterns are so well – entrenched that the ecosystem and economy is going to take a massive hit. Food out of the Pacific and fresh oxygen are important.

        Nuclear is too dangerous to add. Not having children for two generations would help. It is more bad news for the planet.

        • GOM GOM

          Socrates. Actually, I will be printing them out to read. Computer kills my eyes, but I love reading. Not sure about the nitro fixing thing. Don't quite get it yet, but seem to understand more about the sea than nuclear. Toxic algae? I live with it daily. The "big hit" is on the horizon. May I suggest a site? Survival acres blog. Everything a person like you would love to read about. It is my favorite. A little scattered here but I am tired. Thanks. p.s.- i would have loved to have seen Austria…

          • Socrates

            Survival acres… went there. Thanks. Spoke to a friend from India. When he goes there, he wipes the sweat of his brow with the back of his hand, there is black soot, like as soon as he gets off the plane. Between China and India there are billions – three and one-half. No laws there capable of enforcement. Some religions have three or four wives and more than a dozen children.

            The planet is headed for a hit – the – wall collapse, maybe war. China's GDP grew at 7.5% last year!

            Survival acres says that a change of behavior will not happen so prepare for the worst. Hopeium will not be enough.

          • harengus_acidophilus

            You like deaqd trees?

            "I will be printing them out to read"

            This website is about energy, but if you REALLY fighting for a better world, why you do need an information printet on leaves made from killed trees?
            Is it more "convient"?

            That's "the nukers way"!



            • GOM GOM

              harengus: You are harassing the posters with your imbicile stalking.

            • Ontological Ontological

              We had a Mighty Maple tree in Vermont, took four people to hug it. The trees are dying as well, they give what is left their lives in order to un pave the road to hell, and use those good intentions as power against corporate corruption.

              • artika rama

                ontological check out the photo on this book

                just click on it to enlarge the photo ,, what you are looking at are the tree barks and the brown and white rings represent after and before chernobyl ,, thats how clear the influence of radiation is on these trees ,,

                • Ontological Ontological

                  Thanks A-R Yet one more way to see this "invisible" enemy.
                  Here is another way, I stand behind my QED claims about the cesium refraction of pink adding to and in some cases blending all the light into pink in the spectra of a sundog in our atmosphere.
                  This has never happened before. I have photos of all kinds of damage to the air, I have been photographing for 40 years. Nothing like this pink effect we are seeing in the sunrise/sets in the last year.


                  • artika rama

                    ontological thanks , going to check it out .

                  • zogerke zogerke

                    Ontological- Trying to rephrase- out of honest inquiry/ not challenge or disputing conclusions:

                    Are you saying that the cesium nuclear sourced pollution in the jet stream…from fuku releases…is/are changing the color of optical phenomena in atmostphere- so that sun dogs from ice crystals/ are manifesting in different color range than normal?
                    If so, wouldn't analysis of the light reveal the constituents?

                    I'll say one thing, interaction on this site can sometimes challenge me to refresh my education in sciences….

                    • Ontological Ontological

                      I was referring to my avatar image before my name. Sir Isaac Newton wished to find spectral pink, best he did was Magenta. Image below is dual spectra from TWO prisms

                      Ok my avatar photo is a macro photo close up of BOTH spectra in ONE "spherical prism" a crystal ball.
                      Bright white light shining into the sphere from above. The photo is of the duel refraction you get from 90 degrees out in front of the top of the sphere.
                      The pyramid of pink (amour) is the parallax from above. It is red DOWN to violet (bluish) haze in center. The bottom is reverse spectra red bottom UP to violet. making violet to violet in the center The red top red bottom in bent white light, is primarily pink due to all seven white light colors, sandwiched inside of the red top and red bottom refraction lines. Pink = white & red together. To do this in LIGHT is strongly debated. But here is photographic proof. My avatar image. A tiny 1/4" wide dot of light focused back on itself against the light source. Use the windows magnifier at 400 to view the red top, red bottom, purple center in blue haze. And the amour colored light pyramid. Doing this took time, patience, and lots of improvising.

                      I can't find anything on this, only these lines linked below which gave me the idea.


    • AlexfromNB

      "The National Government Doesn't Take It Seriously…"

      No kidding! They're far more concerned with global warming, drones, wars, political posturing and moronic madcap paranoia regarding so-called terrorism than they are about a potential threat that could ruin life on this planet!

      Once the ocean dies, how long will it be before we follow? Yet, nothing is said, nothing is done, no public statement is made to help resolve these horrendous issues, that is if anything can be done at all! At least try for crying out loud! Just don't sit there and allow Japan and Tepco to continue on this same path! What they've been doing for well over 1,000 days isn't working.

      Stories regarding the gallant sailors on the USS Reagan tell it all. Few news reports, no government statements and worst of all no action to help these horribly stricken heroes and their families. Why? Much like the Japanese government led by Abe, appearances are far more important than safeguarding people, their health and their lives. What is our government doing? You tell me!

      • many moons

        The national Government doesn't take it seriously….if they did they might realize how dangerous these plants are and shut them down.

        Thankfully Germany and a few other countries have put 2 and 2 together but the USA is too entrenched as you say Alex, with their Drones and spying and power posturing…. I wonder what part of the USA will be our evacuation zone?

  • Pete

    How convenient that they turn off the Seattle EPA RadNet monitoring station the day before the NFC championship game.

    Everyone is so distracted with what did happen and what didnt happen, whose facts prove what, lack of facts prove this or that, but it seems many have forgotten What Could Happen.

    Its Right There, Happening Now and the US does nothing.

    • GOM GOM

      Pete. Just watch the movie On The Beach, 2000 version. It is not for the faint of heart and does not sugarcoat anything. The only difference regarding the radiation is nuclear bombs vs Frankenshima. I cried like a baby knowing that it portrays us, and our very near future. There will be much heartbreak, along with the illnesses. Then we will slip into acceptance. Funny how we, as Americans, live our lives with total disregard for the rest of humanity. And isn't it ironic that our country will be among the first to succumb to the radiation affects.[we will never be told the fate of Japan] And an indifferent world will watch us slip into oblivion.

    • What COULD happen is MORE concerning that the cumulative effects of what HAS. The US is going to do zero because GE owns MSNBC/NBC etc…because of all the same GE designed Marc 1 units in US…

      But what concerns me most living on Pacific Coast (Carmel by the Sea) is that the Mad Scientists with the joy stick at HAARP or related might just decide to give Fukushima another jolt and that's all it would take and then truly epic world changing disaster. It MIGHT not have been quite…but with all the poisoning of the atmosphere with the incredible amount of chem trail spraying, the FACT of how hot the planet is now (2012-2013) how hot the Pacific is (NASA verified) etc. Building 4 is SO precarious due to the liquifaction–that's the #1 thing.

  • "We cannot sit by and watch and wait to see what the full impacts of the Fukushima disaster will be on our salmon and our way of life."
    – Annita McPhee, Tahltan Council President

    That's true, Annita, however, it's been almost three years and nothing has been done. Most people are just sitting by and watching, at least those that are even aware.

    IMO – There are no government agencies testing or talking about the world's most insidious catastrophe of all time. I do not see that changing.

    Maybe the reason NOTHING has been done is because there is nothing they can do. Your tribe might want to consider that and prepare.

    The Nuclear Industry will follow their playbook manual until the absolute end. πŸ˜‰


    There is a young Naval seaman sitting on my couch right now. When I asked him about his parents in Santa Barbara, and what their concern is regarding Fukushima, I was told "they don't care about that stuff, they recycle and donate".

    • Canuck1

      If they can't see it, they are not concerned. if it was a giant wave coming at them from a distance they might move out of the way..That's the mentality of people. PLAIN STUPID. The gov't and education has made SOME of us stupid our entire lives.

    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      Did you ask him about their concern for the sailors on the rescue mission that are suffering terrible health effects from radiation exposure, and how the Navy couldn't care less?

    • After posting flyers in senior communities for enenews, and not one of the small rip off sections has been taken in over a month..

      Unless it is on TV, it does not exist as an issue, is AGRP's guess as far as seniors are corcerned.

      Anyone find anything different?

      • Ya. I've seen a lot of no tear-offs. But I don't care. When I go back to check I rip off a few so it looks like others took a few. And if the flyer has been removed, I replace it, starting with a few torn off. There are plenty out there who don't care, but I also think there are many who are flat out scared …. and don't want to be the first to touch that "alarming" flyer. So I help them out with the first tear-offs, looks like others dared, and it seems to be going better.

        Try some different target markets, Dr. Goodheart. Today I go back to the state college. Last week the Union center, today the engineering departments. Truthfully, I'm NOT expecting any tear-offs. Fukushima is pretty hot to handle. But I imagine a few stop in their tracks to ponder. Some need their consciousness raised little by little. And if they take one, hurrah.

        Don't be discouraged. Marketing says it takes 22 TIMES for someone to see a message and finally warm up to it. And we aren't seeing much help to knock out that count from the media.

        Take heart you have the courage to post it up in the first place. Then keep posting in every market that is welcome to you (and tear off a few, then see if there are any others takers). The flyers are just one more way to reach out to People behind this curtain of current non-dis-info.

        The flyers have only been being posted to Enenews for about a month now. Three years and several decades of nuke lies…

        chip away at the stone. The People…

        • … The People deserve to know, no matter how slow.

          Daycares, coffee houses, laundry mats, hardware stores, yoga studios, training gyms and exercise centers, mountain climbing outfits, restaurants, bars, community centers, ice cream and herb shops, health food stores, churches, banks,university billboards galore…

          plenty of places to branch out to and post. And when asking to do so, there has been very warm reception.

          Maybe the old folks take the Arnie path, and think they're too old to be concerned for themselves much. But they do have grandchildren. Feel free to redesign the flyer to fit you're own markets better. The more who see it the better, even if right now it's only subconscious. Happy to help

          My goal: How many places can you post?

          • clamshellernh clamshellernh

            Be careful I would not do banks
            They have instituted new laws due to the BOFA
            One that strikes me is you are not allowed to be less than 25 feet from the property
            And they can arrest you
            You may get discouraged to find your stuff diapers just do it again paste over it

      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        I carry a batch of paperwork with me as well as some wheat paste on this subject as well as others
        I have tape and tacks
        I also have chalk to write out a hash tag for twitter
        Subways …coffee shops ..bookstores bulletin boards …as you do it a lot you become more creative
        I find having talking points ready
        People just have so much time on the street to take and listen to you so be ready with them as well as you hand out flyers at subway entrances ect
        A print out with documentaries is good as well
        Health food stores always have community bulletin boards anything pertaining to our food supply would go ther the more colorful the better
        Put contact info on some as well if you are so inclined
        That's my contribution on how I do it .
        And don't get discouraged you may give out a hundred and only get one that takes the bait for lack of of a better term
        Be blessed and continue the good fight

    • AlexfromNB

      Yes sir, ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

      • Indeed. But the bliss isn't real and certainly won't last as the rad word gets out. There are many young generations who won't have the luxury of ignorance. All, let's help break the spell

        Alert the People


      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        You would be surprised . Do not be so quick to jump
        Many are on board , many do not have the time to do what we are doing here . Many have a lot on their plate already so what ever we can do to abbreviate info the better . People are waking up be careful not to scare . Stay on topic . Too much info at once goes unheard .
        That's how I see it anyways but I come from an area that is more progressive and open to what the goings on of the world are .

    • GOM GOM

      markww. I really like that site and that pic would make a killer avatar. I plan to read that report tonight. Thanks.

    • Socrates

      Turner has proven to be unreliable. ENENEWS is cited as a source. But the problem with the Pacific is not just radiation. You can read some of the citations I have provided and you will see that eating lots of tuna would probable kill you from the methyl-mercury and PCBs first.

      Fresh water goes first. As time goes by, radiation plumes will bring ten times more radiation to the West Coast in the oceans. Strontium-90 and Cesium-137 are/will be threats, but China banned West Coast seafood based on arsenic and toxic algae.

      • GOM GOM

        Socrates. From memory, planetary water is 97% salt/ 3% fresh. Now, when you toss in radiation..? Technology provides the ability to drink ocean water. But with isotopes? No way. I have recently heard of a company called Kurion. They have the ability to filter Cesium. At least I think it's Cesium. Thought you would like to know.

        • Socrates

          Japanese have cloned radiation – eating bacteria for fresh water. Too little, too late.

          Climate change and sun – cycles are tricky but something ended the ice ages four times. Radiation contamination and overpopulation go together.

          On the Beach solution may be the ticket. Some want a nuclear war, too. Go out in glory or take someone with you – who knows….

          Nice day in Encinitas…. warm with nice breeze off the ocean. Enjoy what you can. 99.999 of all species are extinct. Bacteria will survive… As they have for almost three billion years.

        • harengus_acidophilus


          "Technology provides the ability to drink ocean water.
          But with isotopes? No way. "

          It's called "reverse osmosis", you get rid
          of all isotopes but Tritium remains.
          And you will need huge amounts of energy.


      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        Yes I agree they are mired in a bunch of stuff , a big turn off to me
        As I say read between the lines
        Those of us that have been around a while can do this
        Others just run away and pretty much write off the entire message
        We must share sites that are Lilly white and don't seem to have a hidden agenda
        Take what you need and leave the rest easier for us seasoned folk

  • sworldpeas

    I ate the salmon
    What the fuck my hair fell out
    A gift from tepco

  • Ontological Ontological

    Start fasting to prevent ingestion. Avoid running, exertion. Be sure to be heart smart. Avoid x rays if possible. Stay inside. Also don't worry be happy can apply when under stress. May not protect from the radiation much but sure will make those around you to be more comfortable.

  • Daisy207

    I noticed that all of the NETC monitors around Fukushima have changed to ones with much lower detection limits – none are showing readings in the 10,000 range any more – don't know what is happening.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Daisy, you just didn't look in the correct place. The monitor at the reactors is extremely, unusually high:

      Station ID 6:1181341550 Fukushima Dai-ichi, Fukushima, JP
      nSv/h: current 144000 Low 134000 High 150000
      Average 144913, Deviation 2877.2

  • Veracity Veracity

    I was with a group of six people last night and we were talking about fukushima. One guy wanted to move somewhere to avoid the radiation, another guy left because he "didn't like hearing about stuff like that," while the rest of us discussed it intelligently for an hour.

    My mom on the other hand believes whatever the news tells her and whatever the president says. She thinks I'm a nut case. Same with my sister & brothers. Oh well, I tried. They live on the west coast.

    I do talk to a lot of people that know what's going on but really there's not anything we've come up with to do other than to be there to help others if we are able. We don't eat much & certainly not fish. We don't sit & wait for the gov to do something. We don't watch tv or play games. We try to inform others who will listen.

    Accepting that there's not a damned thing I can do to change what's been done and what's still to come is a gut wrenching part of all this. But it's necessary in order to live in the moment with some small amount of sanity.

    I don't know if this is a good reply for here but it's what I have.

    • I think moving south makes sense. Not necessarily to escape the radioactive fallout, which would be only a temporary reprieve, but to steer clear of the bat shit crazy political fallout. I don't want uncle sam telling me I have to go scrub radiation off park benches or whatever futile slave task they give me.

      Personally, that's a fate worse than radiation poisoning.

    • GOM GOM

      Vera. Can I make a suggestion? Volunteer. At a place that caters to sealife. An Aquarium maybe. Get a group together that deals with sea- turtle eggs. I do this. Throw flowers into the sea. Are you far from it? If not, go. No ocean? Create a website or blog about Fuku. You can do a lot, your not dead yet.

      • harengus_acidophilus


        "Throw flowers into the sea."

        What's the use of killing flowers?


        • GOM GOM

          harengus. You are a sad, sad little man…

          • Ontological Ontological

            Pathetic how so many think they are insta-genius. When a "friend told me" is an answer you have to consider the source. The way people are responding to this crisis is the joke, some planning would be nice. But the lying little POC representatives prefer to hide in there shells. I get told, for good ideas "that is too expensive". The loss of this pearl (Earth) cast before swine, will come at the GREATEST cost off all LIFE. Every penny if that is what it takes, this "treasure" is worthless compared to a SAFE corruption free world in the future.

    • many moons

      Maybe there isn't an awful lot we can do to stop Fukushima's damage but we need to all stop the rest of the NPP around the world….
      Specially now that there are no doubts or illusions that they are so very lethal, even Arnie has spoken up and admitted he was wrong to ever think nuclear power has a place on earth.

      I don't know anyone in the world who isn't downwind from a potential disaster….We need to shut them all down!!!

      Protest, Boycott nuclear energy, vote for the green party…we are all sitting ducks!!!

      • artika rama

        manymoons There is still A LOT we can do about fukushima . Fukushima DID NOT END ,, and most probably going to get much worse,, unless some international effort is made to prevent it . We cannot stop untill we achive this .

        • many moons

          You make it sound so simple…so OK I'm with you lets make it stop…and lets make the other death traps disappear TOO…

          Other NPP around the world are in the present condition to be turned off…I think that a world wide united front to turn them off is needed…now.

    • nedlifromvermont

      Hey Veracity! Right on … these are the situations all of us here face everyday … for some reason some of us are awake and choose not to lie down … even though there is precious little we can do to avoid some of the effects of Fukushima/General Electric radioactive actinides, let loose upon an innocent biosphere …

      … and the shills at NPR today were all over the story with "health physics PhD students who declare the cesium levels now detected in Pacific seafood were "so much lower than anything the FDA would ever dream to become alarmed about … about a banana …"

      so they ARE scared of our truth getting out and they ARE fronting a massive disinformation campaign with corporate funding and secrecy laws … and yet there is still precious little we can do …

      … but the truth is a powerful argument, and it will out, and we will not be silent … in the face of this unbelievable tragedy … this sheer dabacle of greed … conceived of at the highest levels of American capitalism and bought-off government … for the civilian nuclear power program was always a gigantic fraud … as it still is today … for it never was necessary … except for bombs and subs … and it could have been avoided with investment into solar and wind technologies … a truth the nuclear trolls still somehow won't ever be able to comprehend …

      so welcome to our anti-nuke truth site … we provide here refuge and support for truth-tellers;

      peace …

  • Sam Sam

    Are we not witnessing the breakdown of another Native American People
    The Hiada nation in British Columbia. Salmon going and gone. What about
    the bears as well. Cry. It is so sad.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    We quit because it contains nuclear radiation.

    The radiation is in every drop of rain and snow that falls in the Northern Hemisphere.

    Crops, water supplies, lots to be concerned about.

  • Tedd Tedd

    If the China syndrome is a realistic theory, that would make the exit point in the Atlantic just off Uruguay.

    Still going south???

    There is no escape.

    • Pete

      Yes, Im still thinking of going south, because Seattle is ground zero for japanese air and water. And the law of gravity says that an object cannot pass all the way thru the earth.

      Very little air flow makes it to the southern hemisphere, so very little vs a whole lot seems pretty good to me.

      • Tedd Tedd

        Agreed. I was looking into the best South American location. Looked at quite a lot. Argentina seems to be the best bet.

        I believe Argentina has only one Nuclear power
        plant. It is a first world country.

        Having an education and skills doesn't buy you much there. Everyone struggles with low wages.

        • Au Au

          Tedd, sounds better than Venezuela. Miss Venezuela murdered in roadside attack:

          Or maybe even Chile:
          Next president could be a communist:

          I don't know anything about the John Birch site. You'd have to research it.

        • mairs mairs

          I know someone who worked in Montevideo, Uruguay for a few years. They were transferred there. He and his wife really liked it. He is Dutch and his wife is Swedish.

          • Mack Mack

            Just FYI, Dr. Busby figured out that a Fukushima "China Syndrome" would melt in the direction of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

            "If there is no water, or the channels are blocked, the heat actually melts the fuel into a big blob which falls to the bottom of the steel vessel in which all this occurs – the pressure vessel – and then melts its way through the steel, into the ground, and down in the direction of China. Well, not China in this case, but actually Buenos Aires, Argentina (I figured out)."


            • artika rama

              mack Thats not possible mack . Nothing can fall into the earth further then the core of the earth itself. The gravity pulls everything towards the core. After the coriums would reach the core of the earth , they would have to CLIMB UP towards argentina AGAINST gravity . Not possible.

              • harengus_acidophilus

                Do you understand these kind of questions?

                It's agonizing, what kind of schools do you have in the US?
                Dozens of people are asking about "flying coria".
                That's … (no words)

                How to educate such a bunch
                of fear driven magical thinging?

                <sarc>Tomorrow: how to burn a witch</sarc>


                • harengus_acidophilus

                  … thinking

                • artika rama

                  harengus Its mind boggling but its not only in US believe me ,, i have had reactions from people who didnt know the difference between fukushima and shusi ,, but thats how it is.. The whole education system is based on indoctrination ,, people seem to loose their ability to think to create when they attend school .
                  We are turning into consumption zombies ,,

                  • Mack Mack

                    Hi artika rama, I posted Dr. Busby's comment for public discussion. Not saying I believe it.

                    Also, please read every word in a post before commenting.

                    Dr. Busby didn't say it would end up in Argentina; he specifically says "in the direction of Argentina"…as in if you took a compass, it would be going in a certain direction.

                    Also, a corium wouldn't have to melt to "the core of the earth" as you stated. All theoretical, but it could veer to any direction, not going near "the core of the earth."

                  • Ontological Ontological

                    The Ivy League is money/sports. They teach lies, and incorrect/grey zone science, paid off by the corporations.
                    You leave totally unprepared to do anything but money grub, bully and lie, for the rest of your life.

                • GOM GOM

                  harengus. Degrading and harassing post. So Americans are ill-educated magical thinkers? And you find that remark amusing, why? And the how to burn a witch thing? EVERYONE can see your pathetic attempts to get rid of me. Boffo the ass clown.

    • artika rama

      tedd Thats not possible tedd it is just misinformation . Nothing can go through the earth to come out on the other side. Even if the coriums would keep melting down everything infron of them they would reach the center of the earth and stop . From there they will have to CLIMB UP towards uruguay , they cannot do that ,, there is nothing pushing them AGAINST gravity .

      • SadieDog

        Go to sleep.

        • artika rama

          sadiedog I am ont the opposite side of the planet , its day for me when its night for you πŸ™‚ ofcourse i am assuming you are from US .Goodnight πŸ™‚

      • SadieDog

        Come back and fight with us tomorrow.

      • Ontological Ontological

        Centrifugal force also, that adds to the gravimetric effect, not just mass gravity is at play. Electro gravity, electrostatic. Earth is a dynamo. So the cores will sit in the mantle until cooled or hot magma. There is magma below in many tubes from a larger magma glob under Japan. For the record, the mass of the Earth was underestimated due to not understanding the dance of our Solar system with its Sun. Watch this dance of life. @3 minutes in if your in a hurry.~>

        • Ontological Ontological

          *underestimated = overestimated.

        • artika rama

          ontological I dont think centrifugal force would have much effect in this case . Its correct what you are saying and we can see the effect of centrifugal force on movements of the planets etc but in this example the centrifugal forces wouldnt effect the coriums that much .
          Other forces like electrostatic etc are also negligible .
          Mainly the coriums will DROP towards the center of the erath , not much different than a ball dropping from a heigth under the influence of gravity .
          Ofcourse its not a free fall ,, it has to go through a lot of mass and a lot of friction but the only force pulling it in the direction of the center of the earth is mainly gravity ,

          • Ontological Ontological

            Most of the Earths mass is the mantle. the gravity at the center is not strong enough to dislodge anything past this 67% mass, hollow or not. Earth however is most likely a geode, cooled after a Mars sized object impacted, and melted Earth to what was left to reform we see now. The ORIGINAL planet may have had a solid iron core.


            • artika rama

              ontological Absolutely ,, anything going down there is not coming out in my opinion as well . Now is that a good thing or bad ?? i have no idea. Some people even postulate that molten coriums could get mixed up in magma and come out as radioactive lava ,, i hope they are wrong.

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Ontological: you're pegging my BS meter here. Your cryptic and bombastic words of doom wrapped in prophetic and scientific jargon caught my attention. I've read your sputum on several other posts and watched a couple of your videos. You're pontificating a bit much. So, what I want to know is, what are you selling here? I sincerely want to know.

  • humptydumpty humptydumpty

    When I clicked on this, I was expecting CA, OR, and WA governors/ senators/congressmen to be speaking out. Where are they?

  • combomelt combomelt

    thought the same thing too! the link below is to the ca district map, and people can easily see who's district has beach-front, and who should be "concerned" in this instant.

  • American Phoenix57

    "There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press.

    You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread.

    You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
    – John Swinton, former New York Times Chief of Staff.

  • isogoodhumans

    In just one month of Japanese data we found bamboo shoots, eel, smelt radioactive at up to 170% the Japanese government limit yet below the US FDA limit which is 12x weaker than Japan's limit.

    We also found highly radioactive Pacific Cod which was swims far enough that it could be caught far from Fukushima (eg in China Prefecture) where there is no restrictions on itscatch.

    Consumers need to be careful with these food products:

  • Losaccali Losaccali

    I have read on numerous occasions that "Florida is being fried- and/or will become the new California."
    Could someone please explain to me the reasoning behind such statments?! It can't be the elevation like Colorado, then what?