Officials: Now up to 30,000 sq. feet swallowed by giant Louisiana sinkhole in latest collapse — Almost 20 times bigger than original estimate — “It’s a concern” (PHOTO & VIDEO)

Published: November 1st, 2012 at 1:55 am ET
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Title: Company, parish disagree on size of sinkhole
Source: The Advocate
Author: David J. Mitchell
Date: November 01, 2012 at 1:09a ET

Assumption Parish and Texas Brine Co. officials issued estimates Wednesday that disagree on how much land a 5.5-acre sinkhole swallowed during the slurry hole’s eastern-bank collapse Tuesday.

Parish officials offered an estimate Wednesday nearly 19 times the size of their initial estimate on Tuesday […] to almost as much as 0.7 acre, or 30,000 square feet. […]

John Boudreaux, director of the parish Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said measurements calculated on Wednesday comparing current and prior maps showed the area of collapse extends 300 feet along the sinkhole’s bank and extends 75 to 100 feet inland on the eastern rim. […]

Sonny Cranch, Texas Brine spokesman, said Wednesday that the company estimates about […] an area possibly as small as 750 square feet. […]

“It’s a concern, but it’s not endangering operations yet,” he said. […]

Official map showing the area that was swallowed up by the sinkhole here

Watch WAFB’s Oct. 31 broadcast on the large slough-in here

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  • arclight arclight

    Green Party BREAKING NEWS: Green Party Presidential candidate, Jill Stein, was arrested this morning in Winnsboro, Texas, for taking food and water to the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline tree sitters. They call themselves the Tar Sands Blockade. The Blockaders at the tree village have been in the trees for over a month now and are refusing to come down until TransCanada stops building the Keystone XL pipeline. Jill’s statement of support: “I’m here to connect the dots between super storm Sandy and the record heat, drought, and fire we’ve seen this year – and this Tar Sands pipeline, which will make all of these problems much worse. And I’m here to connect the dots between climate devastation and pipeline politicians – both Obama and Romney – who are competing, as we saw in the debates, for the role of Puppet In Chief for the fossil fuel industry. Both deserve that title. Obama’s record of “drill baby drill” has gone beyond the harm done by George Bush. Mitt Romney promises more of the same.” Watch video shot by the blockaders :http://youtu.be/8uW6weqijHM

    • Maggie123

      Jill Stein's an inspiration!!

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Another reason i'm voting for her.

    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      What! That's ridiculous! You know, I planned to vote for Obama, but I also came VERY close to picking Jill Stein. She was my second choice!

      • Maggie123

        Re the upcoming election: I'm in a swing state, and am deeply concerned on at least 3 issues. Will describe briefly on non-nuclear off topic forum.

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        I also consider Jill Stein but I felt I was enabling Romney to win and I just can't let that happen this election is too important.

      • many moons

        Between obama and Romney it wouldn't matter who won, they are both working for the same people. They both want the same things…the only respectable candidate who is even considering the needs of the American people is Jill Stein.

        • PavewayIII PavewayIII

          Yay, Many Moons! Two sides of the same psychopathic coin, just a different spin on evil. A choice between them is not a choice.

        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          I respectfully disagree recalling the Bush era and Obama has enough brains not to mention nuclear power anymore while Romney always says we will continue promoting nuclear and oil forget wind and solar. Just heard him say it. No way should this man be president. Now Obama is far from perfect but I do think he is the best choice. JMHO

          • Maggie123

            moonshellblue – I'm in your camp, have written some of why in post on off-topic forum. If I weren't in a swing state I'm sure I'd feel differently. I'm not even thinking of "best of two evils". I'm thinking of it as "emergency action to try to stabilize the patient while we gear up to provide leadership for our pres/congress to follow." I feel the choice is between supporting a 'corporatist neo-liberal agenda' and an extreme ultra-RW agenda that has already made itself known in many state legislatures. I think the latter is deeply ideologically driven – wants many more changes than just bonanza for corporations. It's got gobs of money behind it. Very dangerous IMHO. There are enough justifiably disgruntled who'll go 3rd party that outcome will be touch and go. (3rd party, esp. Green and Justice, would be my choices.)

            • Radio VicFromOregon

              @Maggie123, i just listened to an interview on KBOO radio yesterday about this very question and the guest, whose name i have already forgotten, but, has done lots of social activism, is also voting for Obama as an emergency vote, but, she also makes it clear that she believes the duopology and corruption will not change without people also voting for third party candidates, if even as a protest vote or a message to Dems and Reps that some of us would appreciate having a democracy. But, in a winner take all governmental system with an electoral college where 51% get to decide everything for everyone rather than like true democracies where people have representational coalition government, people are forced to vote between 2 parties. So, to win an election, vote Dem or Rep as you see fit, especially if the difference between them is wider than a hair. And, to change the system, vote outside the paradigm. Both have to happen right now. I will be voting for Jill Stein because my vote will be more effective doing so in Oregon, and because she is the only antinuke candidate as well. I am a registered Independent. But, we also need to remember that in the final recount, Gore did, after all win Florida, but that was determined months after he had already conceded the race. So, Nader did not steal votes away from Gore. Someone else with their hands in the ballot boxes did that.

      • Einstein Einstein

        You have got to be joking, anybody who would vote for a treasonous criminal illegal alien like Barry Soetoro has got to be brain dead.

        People such as yourself should not be voting, this is why our nation is being destroyed.

        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Wow, Einstein, those are some pretty ugly words you're shooting off at fellow bloggers on this site. So, i'm trying to figure out why you chose the tag Einstein if you are this intolerant of other peoples opinions, especially the opinions of people that make an effort to say things respectfully and who encourage open and free dialogue?

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Yes! A "climate alarmist" running for US president – never thought I'd see the day, since the puppets discredited Al Gore. Let's hope for the Green Party to morph into a serious alternative to the two-party joke.
      I'd vote for her!!

    • markww markww

      JILL SAID—- >Jill’s statement of support: “I’m here to connect the dots between super storm Sandy and the record heat, drought, and fire we’ve seen this year – and this Tar Sands pipeline, which will make all of these problems much worse.

      First Sandy was a Hurricane that started just like any Hurricane Someone with HAARP Intensified this storm by cranking up the HAARP TRANSMITTERS to almost 100 per cent of power. The signals can be traced back to the HAARP that did it cause it leaves a direction and distance on what ham radio operators call DF. The drought was also made worse by Chemtrails sucking moisture out of the storms and clouds. Fires were mostly started by terror organizations becuause i put it out to all fire departments before the summer, as to arson.
      MARKWW

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Hi markww , thank you for everything you and your friends do to help people and save lives !
        But if you still think global warming is a hoax , (instead of a symptom of logical inbalance of the interconnected dynamics that sustain life), carbon pollution is good for plantlife period and the current corporate/political system is just fine untill our profiting powers decide for themselves , ok ,everything is sucked up , including biodiversity , now we're gonne get green and transparent and all that .
        You might as well put gasoline in your firehose now. Same result .
        Because they CAN'T , they are SICK and in control by a bigger force that feels absolutely NOTHING but GREED. Unregulated for infinity they would start grinding live baby's for fuel if they could somewhere in time sort of speak. Why not , they are already killing children by the millions true pollution.
        She does not have to be a siencetist to connect dots , she is putting her worries , like inconvenient truth about selfextinction and political corruption, in to political initiatif to chance things.
        She is not talking about chance because it is political beneficial. But because she understand that its mandatory to survive for humankind.
        I think its the best motiv one could demand from a political leader , do what you do because you care.
        Please don't shoot her/us/yourself down with every opportunity you have as a siencetist.

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          You don't have to like her , but you do realise

          humankind and our providing planet is sooo backed against the wall here , i hope ?
          Or if you see lots of alternative close by escape routes in to the future , beside her , i'm happy to here about .
          thx for your attention

        • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

          @DisasterInterpretationDissorder,
          I appreciate that people like you who does devil's advocate work because it is right that it should be fully investigated. But if GW isn't a hoax, how do you explain why scientists, quite possibly paid by the big corps, had to fake scientific papers to prove that GW exists? What's your opinion on that? Is GW still true based on the fake scientific papers? Busby is another one who is exposing this kind of scientific fraud though within the nuclear industry.

          Information about the fradulant papers are here.
          http://bit.ly/Ukigy2

          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Hi GITD, that's not a serious blog you're referring to. I like this statement in particular:
            "We don't get any "benefits" from renewables. The push for this utterly wasteful form of electricity production does nothing other than increase our prices and reduce the overall reliability of the system."

            Sweet. Or this one, on nukes in the UK:"…the very earliest we can expect new nuclear capacity it about 2020, but possibly a good few years later. That is progress, of a sort, but rather confounds Ed Miliband's hopes that some of the new plants could be producing energy by as early as 2018.

            The energy gap, therefore, is there. It is real and it is going to take a lot of gas capacity to fill it. The wind fantasy is never going to deliver."

            • arclight arclight

              the video is unavailable at pbs
              you can get the full video here
              climate of doubt

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMTVGBGs_40

              • arclight arclight

                lord monckton.. NOT a scientist.. just scary.. 🙂

              • arclight arclight

                27 May 10 18:00 A Carbon-constrained World: can climate change be good for business?

                Lord Monckton and Declan Murphy
                Buchanan Communications, 45 Moorfields, London.

                http://www.mitef.org.uk/efuk/pages/mitef_events.php

                Buchanan Communications is a financial and corporate communications consultancy with long-term client relationships based on sound advice and the highest quality service delivery to support and guide clients through their communications challenges. Based in London and Edinburgh, Buchanan has been part of WPP since 1997

                http://www.mitef.org.uk/efuk/pages/mitef_event.php?id=396

                amd heres the write up Buchanan or WPP gave him compared to the climate fear monger chap!! 😉

                http://www.mitef.org.uk/efuk/pages/mitef_bio_lord_monckton.php

                amazing how opposing ideas are all profitable ideas???
                i think wpp prefer monkton by this write up
                2 words
                audous huxley?

                http://www.mitef.org.uk/efuk/pages/mitef_bio_lord_monckton.php

                how can an infectious disease cure another infectious didease? see monktons WPP biography.. lol!

                • arclight arclight

                  ps for those not aware WPP covered up the BP oil spill prior to the uk 2012, the nuclear tragedy in fukushima prior to the 2020 olympics…

                  lord mandelson and tony blair are working for them too! in kazahkstan!! tony even wanted to give the nobel to the kazahkstan dictator

                  the all bank in jersey islands tax free haven
                  they all cover stuff up like jimmy saville and friends trips to a certain orphanage their
                  they all stoped bloggers in jersey with the data protection act..
                  they are all a bunch of s^&ts imo

                  • arclight arclight

                    oh and back on topic here

                    they will cover up this salt dome disaster so Bayers can blame Texas Brine (soon to be likely deceased) and texas brine can blame BP and BP can blame haliburton and haliburton can blame anyone NOT in the military..

                    imo
                    peace

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            Bribed to make it possible we are having this argument whilest degenerating from pollution and watching reactors gooze for years, etc to divide and conquer , winning time to fill another wallet first ?
            Instinct to survive , knowing Time versus the way the monkey world workes and the batle uphill , trying to give it to much push and lie ? Must have been tempting to some…when your siencetific opinion is the weapon the argument wil be faught with/against.
            But anyhow , its not because the sickness got hold of lot of the people supposed to be ultimatly objectif , that the problem is any less severe or urgent or REAL .
            Those are SEPARATE issues . Secure every chance you have for humankind to survive , meaning remove the dynamics that nurture and protect corruption. Then go after the sickness/corruption itself .

            Thanks for the link , i promise i will try look in to it later today .

          • Radio VicFromOregon

            @GlowInTheDark, i read the link you provided and didn't see examples of fraudulent climate change reports or faked data, so maybe you can describe where to find it. But, i did read some articles claiming that they are telling the truth without providing any studies or measurements or field observations while claiming that climatologists are lying. So, i guess i found an interesting opinion site, but, not evidence of your claim. There was an email a couple years ago prior to an ICC summit on global warming where a researcher set his data in to 2 differ models and the models, as expected, reached slightly differing conclusions about projected rates and degrees of warming overtime, but, arrived at the same conclusion that warming would, indeed, happen. A few Congressmen touted this email as evidence of a fraud, when, of course, it simply shows that predictive modeling is being built. Not all climatologists agree on all the details or models. There are differing opinions and lots of debate, but all but a small handful disagree that warming is occurring and that humankind's releasing of sequestered carbon at such an unprecedented rate is the main driver causing the imbalance. Our current climate is based upon the biosphere having locked up most of the carbon and only releasing it into the system as the system could release the heat out. Humans changed that millennial old equation.

            • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

              hi VFO
              It appears that the referenced website page that has been used as a part of the article has been moved somewhere.

              How about this one?
              If the earth is warming up, how come that London ONLY had two days of summer this year? Honestly, we were freezing!

              The MSM is keen to report on the melting of the arctic ice but somehow failed to report on the bit that it grew back!? A selective reporting sponsored by…? How can it be possible for the ice to grow back while the earth is seemingly heating up???

              The graph
              http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

              This may be another interpretation of the journalist but he mentions a meteorologist Anthony Watts, perhaps you could email him with your questions directly. The mention of vegetation in Antarctica (NASA's study) is another interesting one, that's before industrialisation.
              http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record/

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              Thank you Vic for saving me the trouble 😉

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Wonder if relief supplies could be dropped from the air, or do they own the air space also? Maybe that would be considered littering on their property?

    • whereslora

      She's an amazing woman and she has my vote. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a government full of real, honest, dedicated people like her? Gary Johnsons and Paul Wellstones and Ron Pauls and Jill Steins . . . . differing ideologies but not puppets. A government of, for and by the people.

  • mick

    I'm sure somehow this is a good thing. And being that it is, it would be even better if 25 miles fell in.

    Just like Sandy is "good for the economy." Why don't we nuke the entire country? Wouldn't that be great for the country? Just think of the GDP boost we'd see from having to start all over again!

    • Maggie123

      Mick – re "just think of the GDP boost we'd see from having to start all over again!" Disasters are great opportunity aren't they … wars, too, give a nice boost!!

      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Alright you two, the sarcasms getting a little heavy. I'm going to have to take a puke if you keep it up.

        So, despite TexasBrines deep desire to get people to believe this sinkhole is much tinier than it appears, what does this mean that the bottom may be rising and the top is falling in this cavern?

        • PavewayIII PavewayIII

          Last briefing they said the ceiling was not collapsing. The cavern is getting shallower ('floor' rising) because of sand and fill running from outside, through the fracture and into the cavern. The bottom of the cavern itself is not rising – the fill is just piling up on the bottom.

    • vivvi

      Never let a good crisis go to waste.

      • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

        Crisis are created to boost deflated economy. e.g. wars
        Wars are lucrative to certain few…
        Disasters are also luctrative…e.g. TEPCO…regardless of the impact on people and environment. In Japan, when a restaurant causes mass food poisoning, the place is shut down immediately and the owner is arrested and charged. Did that happen to TEPCO? Oh no… they are protected. Think about that. Do no be fooled that TEPCO is broke. Plenty of money coming in from backdoor deals. e.g govt grant

        Sickness is also very lucrative for pharma industry…I'm sure they wish more people are sick contrary to the image they sell to 'help save lives' 😉 They even sell drugs that creates 'side-effects' so that people have take not one but several more to counteract the nasty effects.

    • Zombie_Planet

      I don't think there are any fish in there.

  • 16Penny 16Penny

    It just hit me that the earthquake from several days ago was centered to the east about 16000 feet down which would place it in the salt dome. Now the East side has had a serious collapse. I remember in the 10-23 resident briefing that Hecox reported that their opinion was that the finite amount of gas/oil in the chamber would soon be exhausted.

    Now we have reports that the floor and ceiling of the cavern have been moving, the cavern is re pressurizing itself with a healthy flow of oil and gas and the sinkhole is still bubbling even after they reduced the pressure in the cavern to ~500 psi.

    It sounds like they need to consider the possibility that the stuff coming up out of there is coming from a source in the gulf pushing through aquifers and other permeable layers of the geology. There are countless stories of local people noticing changes in the environment and their wells in the 2+ years since Macondo well.

    Be safe Parish residents and remember Hecox is only the messenger, and he seems to be sincere about sharing their current understanding of the situation.

    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Sorry 1,600 feet down, not 16,000.

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      I gotta agree with you, 16Penny. I think the volume and the earth movement that we are seeing at this sinkhole is revealing something larger. I realize that it could JUST be the stacked caverns making mayhem, but, no one is saying that their particular cavern of oil or gas storage has gone missing or gotten contaminated or has changed in pressure outside this one cavern, yet, the assumption is that these other storage caverns have been compromised and together, they are leaking into a fissure created by the collapsing bottom cavern as that cavern's contents makes its way up to the surface through the fissure it created. And, further, it is assumed that the bottom of the cavern is rising while the roof has eroded away, and this has created the ground sinking we are witnessing. I can visualize that, but, it doesn't seem quite right. I would expect the leaking to go downward at some point and start to fill the bottom cavern once the pressure was reduced from the releases and the leaking, not keep emptying itself upward. Where is all that pressure coming from if it should be reducing rather than building? That's my confusion throughout this whole thing.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    I don't believe this disaster, will get better either.
    We are having on going disasters that are caused by human error, greed, power, ego, and pride.

    None of these disasters have/can be fixed or even have been fully acknowledged or given us complete disclosure.

    They don't know how to fix the problems they cause.
    They just keep on doing, building more.
    Look at the disasters that these have caused.

    No To Keystone XL Pipeline
    No To Fracking
    No To Nuclear Power
    No To Drilling
    Yes To The Protection Of The Environment And The Public

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      + a zillion

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Thank You BreadAndButter..But they aren't listening. They have their plans.
        These foreign and US corporations are going to do our Country and us in. Can't the elected ones see the disasters around us now, it will only get worse at this pace.

        • WindorSolarPlease

          Correction:
          All these corporations who do damage to the environment are going to do "OUR WORLD" and us in.

  • Elqisqeyano

    Smoking Gun evidence BP's Macondo well incident and Bayou Corne,LA sinkhole are connected.

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2034901/pg1

  • I do understand Texas Brine arguing about size . About like BP and the gallons per minute . It's called liability .
    On another note, I saw on YouTube that the oiled trees and brush were being hauled to a local dump on hyw 70 that also took in waste from. the BP oil disaster .
    idahopicker was the user name

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    “It’s a concern, but it’s not endangering operations yet,” he said. […]

    Not endangering operations? Which operations? .genereral..emergency.?

    Either way..I'll bet it has…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Speaking of endangered..I'd say..the crews there and the locals..
    …ARE in danger.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS. Let's not forget the local fauna and flora…endangered.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hi, WSP..think I had that covered under fauna.
    Yes…all..an area rich with life..is being destroyed.
    Oh..there are trees falling in the sinkhole.

    It's mangrove.
    http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/mangrove_forests.htm

    This vegetation absolutely necessary for many reasons.
    How are they going to get the oil out of the swamp?
    They aren't.
    Are they willing to tell the evacuees there is no going home?
    No… will leave them to their personal sufferings..until they..
    as is their preferance..wander off on their own accord.

  • Insight

    If this disaster explodes how will the government care for the endangered citizens? Look at how Katrina was handled for an idea.
    The Governments report on KATRINA is called "A Failure of INITIATIVE" 397 pages! In a nutshell, they had the people, they had the equipment, they had
    the supplies but they didn't have a central command! The USCG which actually saved the most lives worked thru their higher chain of command, the Louisiana National Guard only worked thru their State commands, the same was true with the National Guards from the other 16 States that responded, the Navy had 2 aircraft carriers within 100 miles which could have served ALL the helicopters but the NAVY stuck to regulations nothing but Navy helicopters land on carriers even though they were ANCHORED!!! Now that really bugs me, it was an emergency! The active duty ARMY had a almost a regiment with their equipment but they NEVER even talked to the Corp of Engineers! The Marines had about 20000 foot soldiers. But since their commanders did not declare Martial Law they just stood around and watched people steal! Of course the AF had big lift aircraft in and out of the area but they were tied up ferrying all kinds of officials in out and over the area! It all boiled down to WHO'S IN CHARGE? It's an amazing story!

  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Houston we have a problem. While we were arguing about the size of the sinkhole, it grew… fresh pictures and flyovers..

    ..at least that is how it looks especially this pic.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/assumptionoep/8145855157/in/photostream/

    videos here..they don't look good either.. I suspect this is going to go all the way to the road, behind the second pad.. watch the dead trees.. it is a big indicator, based on what I have been seeing so far..

    http://www.youtube.com/user/assumptionla

    of course, just to be fair, now that the sinkhole is sunken, I suspect rain could drain into the low area giving a more sunken,full impression.. so, perhaps not all of the liquid is from the hole? I have no idea if it has even rained in the area, it just occurs that if they have been removing all this material, the liquid should appear less, not more.. shouldn't it?