Published: September 30th, 2012 at 12:08 am ET
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September 29, 2012 Resident Briefing on Sinkhole in Assumption Parish (23 parts):
Part 18
At 0:55 in
Martin S. Triche, Assumption Parish President: Seems like the smell is getting worse, we’re getting a lot more reports from this community of this smell. Originally it was on the highway and in the Bayou Corne community…
At 3:00 in
Chris Piehler, Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality: You’re not being exposed to carcinogens… It don’t smell good, but it’s not some thing we determined is going to cause cancer… [goes on to compare risk to roadkill]
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Part 21
Resident: The health department says the air quality is good, it’s not harmful to us. I don’t know what they use to determine that benchmark, but there are families that evacuated and since they evacuated they no longer have headaches, allergies go away, gaseous allergy reactions. How do you address that?
Chris Piehler, Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality: I’m not a health expert. I would suggest that anybody is having symptoms, medical wise … consult a physician. … The data we collect do not indicate that there are long term health effects to be concerned about from air pollution.
Resident: But again, why was they evacuated and their conditions got better. There is something here that affects their health. Now whether you’re recoding it… is there other tests, can something else be done?
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Published: September 30th, 2012 at 12:08 am ET
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Quote: it’s not something we determined is going to cause cancer
What can you determine about this?
He says he is not a health expert.
All I hear is double talk..no real information..They either don't know…or …They know but can't talk about it.
You staying there..taking a chance? Good Luck.
There is one thing I have learned..They protect the Corporations before the public…
Oh Heck I'm saying it…"They" are the Corporations.
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Has anybody figured out yet that corporations are incapable of telling the truth? Expecting these guys to tell you the truth and the whole truth is naive to say the least.
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I'm tired of everyone blaming the corporations. Corporations are PEOPLE my friends. OK, well, coporations arn't people, they are ONLY people. It is people who are saying these things, it is people making these decisions, planning these actions, performing these tests, whatever offense of the moment is being discussed. What I want to know is how can we can hold THE PEOPLE (from CEO to mail clerk) to be responsible for their actions.
There are already plenty of laws on the books to handle all of this stuff, no new laws, if we could hold the people responsible for THEIR OWN ACTIONS, without being able to pass off responsibility to an abstract fiction called a corporation.
Or, go the other way, if corporations are people, then charge them with the crimes they commit, then don't impose a fine, that just becomes cost of doing business. Instead give them jail time. How do you make a corporation do time. Say the sentence is five years. Revoke their corporate charter for five years.
I really think we need to start holding THE PEOPLE responsible though. If you have a tumor in your brain, you don't blame your brain, you cut out or otherwise eradicate the tumor. Unlike cancer though, if you don't deal with the root of the problem, the tumor will just move on to the next corporation once the first has been ruined.
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CORPS have thrown truth and honesty out the window for not only the all mighty dollar but lie. It may be people but they lie for the man
Mark
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Hi mark_eric
In my book (not that it matters), Corporations are not people. Corporations do not eat, drink, get married, or breath, and so on..Corporations are business's that is run/owned by people who are interested in profit, their goal is profit no matter what it takes.
A corporation cannot be a person and owned by people at the same time..I believe Slavery has been outlawed.
However the Supreme Court has ruled in a different way, their ruling is to benefit corporations and not the public.
They are allowed to spend unlimited money in political campaigns.
To put it bluntly, corporations own our government and they corrupt our elections.
I think if you own any business you should be the responsible party. However, this has not been the case with Corporate America.
There is no doubt in my mind we need corporations, people need to work, plus they furnish the public with many things.
Basically you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Therefore, I believe they have their gooses all lined up to protect the owners of the corporations.
I agree they should be accountable, responsible, and laws should be changed so that there is fairness and protection to our Country, the public, and to our environment.
Usually when people talk about corporations they are really talking about the owners (people). I personally don't think a corporation is a person, but I do use the word "corporation" also in reference.
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Tore a page right out of Fukushima's playbook…Obfuscation. These corporations do understand lawsuits. I hope local residents leave and don't have to sue for health issues but just relocation costs and loss of value.
If it gets any worse, with bubbling showing up everywhere, it will become forced evacuations.
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Wonder if all this might have been planed during Bp drilling. Jesse Ventura has a video out how they were going to by everyone out and make the state a huge refinery. There are also videos that BP did this on purpose for the one world government Search the internet.Also was the Methane Cap broken and melting under the domes.
Mark
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I wonder if Jesse Ventura even successfully finished highschool.
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People are reporting they are getting sick.Something is not right in this whole problem.
Officials not understanding what is going on at all.
ITS WAY over their heads. I said from the get go have real scientists and engineers and others come in and see what is Going on FROM NASA to Oil engineers from across the Country work together to solve this massive explosive yes I said explosive event.
Gas is liquid, then there is gas that is in a vapor bubbling up and something will go BANG Millions possibly Billions of barrels of explosive dangerous stuff can go AND NOT ONE PERSON CAN COMMIT TO THE TRUTH. EVERYONE HAS THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND . We have a massive disaster building up and it could be the most destructive event mankind has ever seen.
Millions of barrels of liquid gas in a dome whose to say it wont get pushed out if the original dome falls over and finishes filling up and leaning over. Thy say it can't happen the gas will stay in the ground BS all it needs is a push and its done explosions that wipe out hundreds of miles of everything.
Mark
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You're suggesting that they import people from Texas to solve this? The shame of it all! (/sarcasm)
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NASA engineers Retired Oil Engineers and scientists I do not care where they come from as long as everyone puts their heads together and can solve a world problem that may be bigger than what the locals think
mark
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I volunteered to help along with other scientists and engineers when President Obama asked engineers and scientists to volunteer to develop solutions for cleaning up the BP gulf spill. We had to sign that we would follow the rules then BP changed the rules that we could not reveal our solutions, that basically or solutions could leave no means to quantify how much oil we removed from the water, and we had to pay to prove that our idea worked.
As soon as I saw the Mayor of Minamisoma request help, I volunteered through my Japanese niece and was told that their experts thought that my suggestions were too extreme. When the call for engineers and scientists came from our state department, I was told that my expertise in processing radioactively contaminated water would not be needed as they were only looking for engineers to help rebuild and restart the nuclear plant.
Tens of thousands of engineers and scientists are out of work in the US or are working underpaid in part time jobs that hardly make the bills. As long as the companies that caused the problems are in charge of the clean-up, they are not going to allow anyone in who can identify or quantify how much damage that they have done and definitely don't want any expensive remediation projects that could cost even a dollar started. They would pay $1,000,000 in lawyers rather than risk having future liabilities paying out $10,000 to someone with a solution.
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SnorkY2K: I hope you're able to tell your experience and observations more widely. I'd like to hear an in-depth interview with you, perhaps others you may have met. Wonder if there's a way to offer your info/observations for alternative radio interview? (Or do you blog? Also – some of the well-read alternative news sites invite articles – might be worth checking out Common Cause or similar?)
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Our team of five was just one of many. We were grouped so that we had a variety of backgrounds. Our group included a manufacturing engineer, a wildlife biologist, an electronics engineer, and the owner of a large construction firm. We covered three tasks that we thought might do some help.
First, we found the chemical made from rotten oranges that removes oil from tar sands that can be separated and reused to remove all the tarballs from the beaches and swamps. We also worked on solar powered floating pods to break up oil in slicks to prevent eutrophication and death of wildlife while other teams could remove oil. And our electrical engineer developed a homing device to target underwater plumes of oil so that they could be absorbed before they rose to the surface. While our construction guy advised on readily available skills and supplies to teach and deploy thousands of teams for building the pods and processing centers.
I have been interviewed by internet radio stations but not national media
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Gee … I dunno … is it because methane is toxic? Perhaps we could motivate these officials to care more by demanding that they stay in the community until the issue is resolved. I would advise everybody in that community to GET OUT !!! NOW!!! Even if it does not explode, the gas is still poisonous and there seems to be plenty of it. I would not be staying around waiting for some head-up-his-ass official to tell me if being poisoned is safe or not, especially if said official is not breathing the poisoned air himself.
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I totally agree. It's the same story. Texas Brine is going to be held accountable so they will ensure, like tepco, that they don't admit to anything at all. "There's no immediate health risk – It's all ok,your headache and other symptoms are from stress, just go back home and relax – Pay no heed to scare mongers", etc, etc. Just get out. Run away from that stinkhole.
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vivvi & eatliesndie
Agree..Just smile all will be ok.(sarc)
You don't feel good..Use your heads..get out!!!
Even if you have to live in your car or tent.
The trouble is, people will probably lose there jobs, and possibly their homes, everything they have worked for if they leave.
They will lose it all anyway if they don't have their health, but people take chances to hold onto what they do have.
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If H2S is bubbling out, the public better stay away. H2S is lethal.
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Well, it is an election year. Perhaps the president can hire the same P.R. firm that was used to make the BP oil spill disappear into thin air as if it never existed. If the American people were dumb enough to believe that story, selling Fukushima should be no problem.
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oh what a tangled web we weave …
when first we practice to deceive;
by the way, corporations are not people … this is merely a legal nicety invented by our supreme court (last word on all important matters) in the ? decision, and has become accepted doggerel, with advantage of precedent … fits the corporate nature of our society, where liars rule with impunity … same kind if breeding nest which begat the Hitler fiasco in 1930's Germany …
I'm all for changing this precedent … with a big class action lawsuit against GE (who knew their cheap cheap containments wouldn't hold when needed, but persisted in flogging this ELE technology and then lying about it all the way to the criminally complicit bank … oh well … history is what it is …
our eyes are being opened a little wider every day …
NBC = National Bullshit Cabal, but nobody important seems to really mind or care …
you'd think the Mark Zuckerbergs or Larry Ellisons or even the Warren Buffets of the world wouldn't cave in to the corporate lying theology so easily … since their wealth is not so directly tied to technologies that are designed to kill people and, in fact, whole societies …
something about being given keys to the kingdom seems to somehow change a person, into a conniving monster …
and we, little truth tellers of enenews, throw fire crackers of truth at their impregnable castles of fortune, with predictable results …
don't stop now folks!
peace!
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These poor folks need to use their God given comon sense and get out of their. Texas Brine is not telling what was being stored in the dome cause it isn't good…..flee and live to sue the pants of those corporations.
When the gulf was sending out dangerous vapors, the towns folks hired an independent NJ firm, they were flown in an tested the air and reported they high level, dangerous situation that existed….the truth in other words…..the people of bayou corne would do well to do the same.
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Many moons: Agreed! Evacuate asap. Occurs to me things are now so bad that other "disaster response" measures need to be taken for sake of safety, health, and community "shared experience".
Mobile units (FEMA?) need to be set up for the entire community some miles (10- 20?) away and out of line with prevailing wind. Some temporary fencing needs to also be set up for any larger domestic stock. In other words – move *every* living thing, but give the people opportunity to remain a community.
Today's article ("whole community sinking") is bad enough re sinking! But it also mention s the smell.
Those people (and any animals) are not breathing anything like healthful air, regardless of official casual "wait and see".
Whatever the dominant and/or mix of vapors they're inhaling are causing their bodies to struggle in some functional way. Exposures to the vapors have gone on far too long.
If nothing is offered, the people should load basics in vehicles, perhaps including tents, etc., and move themselves – perhaps for a start to an upwind school or even parking lot!
I don't know how many people – assume enough that officials are hoping they don't have to be moved. Breathing the vapors for this long a time, however is not at all wise .
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And there will be more complaints on Monday
and there will be more complaints on Tuesday
and there will be more complaints after MayDay
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did anyone else get the advertisement for Gas-X when they viewed this topic. If only the answer were as easy as Gas-X. But, then maybe we should be asking the chemists at Gas-X if they have any ideas since their product obviously works.
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Lets see.
1. The people working the sink hole are covered up in HAZMAT suits per OSHA rules..
2. NORM stored in the sinkhole/cavern is 15 times higher radiation than safe levels. There was a LOT of those materials dumped into the cavern..
3. Flow from the sink hole contains dangerous chemicals – liquid and gas! Benzene is DANGEROUS, Methane is dangerous, sulfur is dangerous..crude oil is as well ..it contains radioactive particles..AND many many other dangerous chemical..to include benxene, methane, sulfur and more.
4. Pressure from underground is not safe. Explosive levels are in the cavern and in the sinkhole area..the vents..which were drilled..have not worked due to plugging by the below vent materials.
5. EARTHQUAKES are not safe. "Tremors" they are called because they are "human made".WHAT is the power of those "tremors" in EQ terms? a 2.0? a 5.0? What is the potential tremor size.
None of the above conditions are NORMAL for humans to live near safely. IF workers in the fumes need HAZMAT coverings..so do other livings animals near by. The "experts" will all the announcements..need to know they rare reasonsible for damagescould face legal charges in the worse case of a explosion, of collapse, or poison vapors. IF they get paid for their activities..their COMPANY should be charged NOW for the cavern failure. Where are the engineering studies showing this is a safe location? They had to have an engineering study stating no risk from earthquakes etc.
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