Published: February 26th, 2013 at 3:17 pm ET
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Assumption Parish Police Jury, 1:15p ET: The Office of Conservation is advising Assumption Parish officials and the public in the Bayou Corne area that CB&I and Itasca Group analysis of ongoing seismic monitoring has detected what appears to be an uptick in underground fluid movement below the sinkhole in the vicinity of the failed Oxy 3 cavern in the past 24 hours. As has been noted in earlier similar events, the fluid movement appears to be linked to observations of trees falling into the sinkhole, release of trapped debris from the sinkhole bottom and increased odor from hydrocarbons released to surface. CB&I and Itasca Group analysts have advised that, while the activity appears to represent no additional significant threat to the general area, operations directly on the sinkhole be suspended until subsurface activity slows again.
The Advocate: Sinkhole work suspended after underground tremors detected [...] Response operations on an 8.6-acre sinkhole in Assumption Parish were halted Tuesday after seismic monitors noted an increase in the kind of underground tremors linked with past burps and edge collapses in the yawning slurry hole, state regulators said. [...] Over the past 24 hours, seismic monitors have been picking up an increase in underground fluid movement near the failed Texas Brine Co. LLC cavern, officials said. [...]
See also: WWL: Residents angry as Louisiana sinkhole continues collapsing -- 'Flash over' discussed... like when leaving gas on too long before lighting propane grill (VIDEO)
Published: February 26th, 2013 at 3:17 pm ET
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If Bayou Corne did blow, and triggered a subterranean explosion in the gas that has migrated through the New Madrid Fault, would it blow up the southern/mid Mississippi Valley?
$50 says no one has a clue.
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TIS
"subterranean explosion' there is no subterranean oxygen.
No oxygen no explosion— the NMF is safe..
Donate the $50 to charity of your choice–
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Not my research but…
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21082196/
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Fascinating.
'Huge stores of oxygen found deep inside Earth'
Thanks, Proton.
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My pleasure TIS… "no subterranean oxygen" is a pretty outrageous claim… must be opposites day where ever thad is typing from…
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**The key to the abundant oxygen storage is the mineral majorite, which exists deep below Earth's surface in the mantle**
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Anthony–
**The key to the abundant oxygen storage is the mineral majorite, which exists deep below Earth's surface in the mantle**
It is between 340 – 560 miles dowm to the mantle–
Bottom of the Bayou Corne/ Napoleanville saltdome is in the Louan saltbed between 4-6 miles–OOPS!
Oh! pls note article reads 'could be', 'suggests' rather than a definate such as 'is'. so in other words ir somebodies unproven theory–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorite
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Are you now claiming there is no mantle below Bayou Corne?
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And, from the source quoted in the article: "Our results indicate that the oxidized nature of the upper mantle can no longer be regarded as being representative for the Earth’s upper mantle as a whole and instead that oxidation is a shallow phenomenon restricted to an upper veneer only about 250 km in thickness." No doubt there is Oxygen down there. And with it being gaseous and lighter than other fluids, I guess it would migrate up, until eventually it made it to your neck of the swamp.
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Or poor wording by a reporter.
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Embarrassed about jumpin on the wrong stump again Thad?
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16P/TIS/Proton
We were speaking of Bayou Corne– I do not want to disappoint you but the gas/ caverns do not go down to the earth's mantle.Wiki reference for majorite in the mantle is 360-540 MOLES underground– But you knew didn't you? that just being silly–?
Also if you read the article it says "could be", "suggested" rather than is. In other words just someones unproven theory– doubt that he has many samples
16p no I'm not embarassed just insulted- give a man an apology and he then play the fool with it.
Still waiting for your supporting documentation on the 100,000 psi methane pressure. I gave you proofs why it was impossible. Gave you proof that the BP/MC252 could not have pressured other formations because it was a cased well no response there.
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You never responded to my invoice. $60 / hr for doing your homework Thad. You Proved nothing but claimed everything.
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16 P
Do my home work? LOL first you have to do your own–
Did not say the earth under Bayou Corne did not extend diwn to the mantle only that the caverns and gas did not– but you knew that you are just being simplistic–playing a little game?
Reverse logic– if there is enough subterranian oxygen why has there NOT been an explosion already–250 km (160mi) oxidation zone– Oxidized means the oxygen has already combined with some other element forming an oxide–no longer free oxygen.
You started the discussion about methane hydrate with "let me bounce this off you—" I gave you the best answers I could and you kept dragging other things into the discussion and I continued to give the best answers with proofs I could. And rather than accept that possibably you had misunderstood or were mislead in a subject that you admit know very little about, you refuse to accept proofs and learn something.
IF YOU KNEW ALL THE ANSWERS AND WERE SO SURE OF THEY WHY DID YOU BOTHER WITH ASKING QUESTIONS-
So how about your proofs–?
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How about yours?
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16P
The proof are there hfor all to read, you kwow that, all you have to do is read.
If there is one you can't comprehend or umderstand ask and I try to explain. Or you can bring up again one at a time.
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"there is no subterranean oxygen"
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Exactly what type of work is being conducted at the sinkhole?
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@Proton – Skimming and removal of the floating oil and visible hydrocarbons. Moving the floating containment ropes and removal of debris that get regurgitated after the so called burps. They do this by using airboats. When there is heavy bubbleing and displacement, they have to get the boats out of the water because the boats will sink like a rock if going over a heavy bubbleing area. The high concentration of bubbles displace to much water and the boats are no longer bouyant. They have already lost one boat early on because of this and almost a worker along with it. The worker got away just in time.
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Thanks tm2020… Hey that's my theory on the Bermuda-Triangle!
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I agree with your theory on the bermuda triangle. I also believe that massive methane releases under the sea has occured in the triangle, thus explaining the loss of ships.
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I just read an article stating the methane theory I will try to locate it as it was quite interesting but that was their take.
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Researcher Ivan T. Sanderson identified these mystery areas during the 1960s. Sanderson described the actual shape of these regions as more like a lozenge rather than a triangle. Some of the more famous spots include an area in the Sea of Japan, the North Sea, and of course the infamous "Bermuda (or Devil's) Triangle."
Oceanographic surveyors of the sea floor in the area of the Bermuda Triangle and the North Sea region between continental Europe and Great Britain have discovered significant quantities of methane hydrates and older eruption sites.
Because of the correlations and existing data, the two envisioned what would happen when gigantic methane bubbles explode from natural fissures on the seafloor.
The methane—normally frozen at great pressure as gas hydrates embedded within subterranean rock—can become dislodged and transform into gaseous bubbles expanding geometrically as they explode upwards. When these bubbles reach the surface of the water they soar into the air, still expanding upwards and outwards.
Any ships caught within the methane mega-bubble immediately lose all buoyancy and sink to the bottom of the ocean.
Aircraft falling victim to these methane bubbles will lose their engines-perhaps igniting the methane surrounding them-and immediately lose their lift as well, ending their flights by diving into the ocean and swiftly plummeting to the sea bottom.
In most cases little or no wreckage would be found by searchers.
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Sometimes us aliens just steal the airplanes or boats. They make great souvenirs.
We usually throw the people back – they're annoying and seem terrified of some kind of probing ritual. It sounds kind of sick so we never ask. We also take their credit cards.
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Laughing!!!! Thank you for that.
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….I still don't know how to explain lost aircraft in that region though…
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They end up at the bottom of the ocean also…
Here is a good example but not quite fitting hence the mystery of it all.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_can%27t_I_fly_a_fighter_jet_into_space
What comes out of the ocean in that area pushes the oxygen elsewhere. Oxygen is necessary to keep the jets firing…
Propeller planes? same principle…
Now some type of gyroscopic magnetic gravitational field generating propulsion system may work in such an area..
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@eatliesndie …. If infact the ship sinking theory due to huge methane releases from the ocean floor causing the disruption of bouyency therefore causing ships to sink is correct. We saw an airboat sink into the sinkhole because of that exact reason so why not on a bigger scale in the ocean with a bigger boat with a much larger methane bubble release area? As far as the missing aircraft, I believe there are a combination of events like when their instruments went cookoo for kookoopuffs they got lost, veared off course and ran out of fuel over the ocean somewhere and thats that. As far as methane related aircraft losses, it is highly plausible that as described in much of the research I have done on methane releases, it sometimes comes up in a huge bubble, i mean a really big bubble in the ocean. So who's to say that a giant methane bubble did not just surface the ocean top while a lower flying plane, as pilots love to do over the oceans, and then as the plane flew through the methane plume, the engine of the airplane causes the highly saturated methane atmosphere to ignite causing an instant paralyzing shockwave to disable the pilot causing it to crash and sink?
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@timemachine2020 & Proton. Yep. I've no problem with the idea of ships sinking due to very large bubbles, and I can run with the idea of planes dropping from the same enormous bubbles though it had not occurred to me previously. It all sounds probable.
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It has occurred to me also that some saturation of combustible gas could ignite and blow the planes apart… And watercraft also if they have any ignition sources on-board.
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Proton
If there is not enough oxygen in the gas/air mixture for a boat or plane engine to function there is not enough oxygen for an explosion — both are function of combustion under the same restriction.
A boat would sink in gas laden water- a couple of semi-submersible drlg rigs were lost that way.
But gas laden air would not knock a plane out of the air might kill the engine but the pilot would still be able to glide down-
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These guys disagree:
http://www.helium.com/items/1912359-how-brilliant-computer-scientists-solved-the-bermuda-triangle-mystery
and page 2 of this, with a linked reference at the bottom:
http://phe.rockefeller.edu/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Air-France-447-methane-outgassing-hypothesis.pdf
There are many more.
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Then there's this article, to bring it back to Louisiana, Gulf drilling/spilling:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631498889.html
One of the quotes I like is: "It's long been known that there are pockets of methane gas, known as methane gas hydrates, beneath the ocean floor that could erupt if they're disturbed or if their internal pressure becomes too large," Professor Monaghan said.
Prove the BP Blowout did not over pressure any surrounding formation. Prove it thad, not just thad says so.
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16 P
Here is a schematic of the casing ran, cemented and tested on the BP/MC252 well.
Notice between the bottom of the well to the well head there are NO exposed formations.
The blowout was from the bottom up through the inside cased well when the "Temporary Abandonment Plugs" failed.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_udSTgadqhFc/S-uAQp9p7jI/AAAAAAAABbg/hQCGgca2Se8/s1600/Deepwater+well+casing.jpg
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16P
This is also from the other threasd exp;aons how and why casing is run to pretect from pressure
—- The well bore casing.
A well is drld in sections the first casing set and cemented. The csng and cmnt at bottom (csng shoe) is pressure tested LOT, leak off test,the pressure value dictates the highest allowable hydrostatic pressure of the drlg fluid in the next section drld. In the next section drld when mud wt approaches LOT again csng is ran through the previous csng, cmtd and LOT tested.This csng within csng withon csng is repeated until total depth reached. Wellbore can have 6 to 10 sectioms. Hole size from 36" to 7.0".
When a blowout occurs the only formations expose to pressure are those drld below the last csng shoe all other drld formations are behind pressure proof tested steel and cement–on the MC252 there was no drlg after the last casing was set-
oil field cements have compressive strength as high as 88,000 psi.
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Thad, Read this:
http://archives.huntingtonnews.net/local/100609-rutherford-localbpoil.html
Disagree with the guys who were on the rig?
"A BP employee has said that during the first Top Kill, “We discovered things were broken sub-surface.” "
And this guy from Florida didn't know what he was talking about either:
"Florida Senator Bill Nelson said, “Oil is seeping up from the sea bed. That would indicate the well casing itself is actually pierced.”"
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Thad, watch it for yourself:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CGAQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1sJDToBqXdc&ei=0LYtUdLFIIvq8gT_woHoAg&usg=AFQjCNGGsyIkGJHX057vhb1D63maPipyBw&bvm=bv.42965579,d.eWU
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And the Wall street Journal:
"PLC said Thursday it had finished pumping cement into its ruptured Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico, one of the final steps in sealing it for good, and that it was now watching the well to gauge if the procedure was effective."
Ruptured, sounds like the side got blowed out.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703748904575411282865294788.html
Then there is this:
"An Associated Press report published on May 24, 2010 suggested that lax federal regulation oil well cementing–a suspected cause of the accident–contributed to the disaster. Federal regulators don't regulate what type of cement is used, leaving it up to oil and gas companies, who are "urged" to simply follow guidelines of the American Petroleum Institute, an industry trade group. Far more stringent federal and state standards and controls exist on cement work for roads, bridges and buildings. Reports by the MMS named cementing as a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts at Gulf rigs from 1992 to 2006, and five of nine out-of-control wells in the year 2000 were related to cementing problems." – See more at:
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill?topic=50364#gen24
Your drawing does not prove anything. You would have to show me proof before I doubt all of these sources combined.
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Methane's density is .55 compared to air (1).
The effect on a wing entering a methane cloud would be to immediately remove most of the lift and cause the plane to aerodynamically stall. It seems to be flying level, but it's dropping down like a rock.
A pilot recovers from a stall by gunning the engines and pointing the nose down to get more air flowing over the wing. They would be half-goofy and slipping into unconsciousness because of the methane and their engine would have stalled.
If they survived all that and got control of the plane, they are still going to encounter a massive wind shear from the 'heavy' air gushing under the rising methane cloud.
If they survived *that* then there's still one more challenge. Huge volumes of moving methane like that can create enormous static charges and lightening. If some of the methane is diluted down to 5% – 15%, it will ignite with a spark. They will either be torched by the fireball or die from the explosion.
If your in a plane and the ocean below starts boiling, you're probably better off just rolling out the door and getting that one last tweet off.
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that's just like I was imagining!
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PWIII
That works depending on airspeed when entering gas cloud. Gas density to .55 stall speed would double.But fly at 3 times stall no problem. Black out? not if above 10,000' on O2. Methane diluted back to flying- enough oxygen for explosion also enough for engine -do an air start "Damn that was a close one!"
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hey Thad, remember typing this? "there is no subterranean oxygen" still opposites day at your computer? or just another day?
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Proton
ANd the nearest is at 150 miles down in the form of oxides not free oxygen. Must be free oxygen to be available for combustion– So by your references there is no subterranean oxygen just oxides, which will not support combustion which is oxidation.
You do remember your basic high school chemistry???
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Wonder how much pollution was just released into the bayous from the sinkhole now that the 2 are connected with the last 2 days of heavy rains in assumption parrish. How did their dirt roads in the middle of the swamps hold up? We shall see when the police chopper feels like sharing or when wings of care does another flyby. Helicorders showing a lot of activity both in subseidence and fluid movements. This gal is far from singing her last song. The hole will be 50 acres before this is done. We are witnessing the formation of a lake right in front of our eyes. Unfortunately this lake is not one that you will want to go skinnydippin in anytime soon. Hopefully one day it will become somewhat clean enough to use recreationally and will support life below. Time for the residents to get their buyouts so they can move on rebuild their lives. God bless our neighbors in Bayou Corne.
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TM2020…
"Wonder how much pollution was just released into the bayous from the sinkhole now that the 2 are connected with the last 2 days of heavy rains in assumption parrish. How did their dirt roads in the middle of the swamps hold up?"
None. The berms, phase 1 are complete, and did their job. Phase 2 will be to go back and build all the berms up to 5 feet height. The dirt roads did just fine.
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Who knows. The Bayou Corne residents may end up with lake front property instead of bayou front. Way to risky to stick around and find out though. Can someone please explain to me WHY they are not pumping the toxic brew out of the sinkhole into truck tanks to be hauled off and disposed of properly, instead of letting it flow into the bayous, lakes and eventually the gulf? Morgan City is becoming the flow zone of the pollutants coming from this sinkhole fiasco. SHAME on Texas Brine for allowing this to continue to happen. Such a fragile and diverse ecology to allow these chemicals and hydrocarbons along with who knows how much NORM to get out into the surrounding marshes and bayou environment. STOP THE LEAKAGE INTO THE BAYOUS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yes, TM, there is foulness all around this hole. Esp those who created it and should be put in it, literally near it or INTO it.
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Everyone with any responsibility in this situation is MIA. I would take this to mean there will be even less response to industrial/environmental 'accident's in the future.
I can assure you, this sends a clear signal to all the other players that there will be no repercussions if they act in a similar fashion. Damn the regulations, full speed ahead, regardless of the destruction/deaths.
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If they actually did have a clue, knew what it was, whether it was fixable or not, it would not keep getting worse and worse. At an early community meeting in the area, an expert slipped and said it was a "frack-out" — like fracking so aggressive, that it cracked the salt cavern. But obviously, if that were so, there would be corporate responsibility and (oh, my God), a call for actual REGULATIONS, of which there are none thanks to Dick Cheney. Don't even ask if this is our future. It is already our PRESENT. We're here. Here we are.
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And the same geologist Hecox today says he doesn't know what happened.
He was referring to hydrualic fracturing. Quite from hydro fracking–
His premise was that then the bottom of the cavern collapse out side sediment flow in so rapid with so much force tha it cause a pressure spike inside causing the top to fracture due to the increase in hydrualic pressure and blow out. Thhere is a very similar phenomena "water hammer"
AS far a hydro-fracking the nearest is in the Hatmesville shale 250-300 miles nw of the saltdome–
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7:43pm CST Looks like a good jolt on LA11. http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA11_HHZ_YC_–.2013022612.gif
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And LA 12 & 14 are worse http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA12_HHZ_YC_–.2013022612.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA14_HHZ_YC_–.2013022612.gif
Recent Helicorder Displays
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/
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Anyone following along on the chemistry side of things. I was looking into how Oxygen reacts with hydrocarbons and learned it is sometimes used for contamination mitigation. Here is an example using Benzine:
C6 H6(12 x 6) + 7.5 O2 = 6 CO2 + 3 H2O
For a cleaner Chemical equation see bottom of page four in this:
http://www.epa.state.il.us/land/lust/forms/technical-forms/bioremediation.pdf
I tried but hard to type those on this forum. Anyone know if CO2 has been detected in the gas samples from the stinkyhole?
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Sure 16, I remember seeing that in an isotopic analysis. Here:
http://www.deq.louisiana.gov/portal/Portals/0/BayouCorne/JOB19441.pdf
The report states: Chemical mol. % Carbon Dioxide 1.38
Are you trying to say that there could be oxygen reacting with hydrocarbons at depth, forming Carbon Dioxide and WATER?
Holy batcrap Batman!
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16P
Some much oxygen and so few explosions — Bummer
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Thad,
"Some much oxygen and so few explosions — Bummer"
So is carbonic acid. Have any of your kind been doing CO2 enhanced well producing in the area or one of the universities been doing a test nearby? I am pretty sure they are doing some of this North East of Assumption Parish, a few counties away. It almost looks like It is being produced as a byproduct right around the corner from B.C. in St. James Parish:
(Map on Page 10)http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/publications/EP/CO2_EOR_Primer.pdf
And I know it says planned by the yellow locator dot so I did your homework, here it is funded:
http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2007/06/louisiana-getting-16-billion-ammonia-plant
A little name dropping at the end of that article, "U.S. Transcarbon LLC is primarily owned by Green Rock Energy, LLC, a company formed by D.E. Shaw & Co. and Goldman, Sachs & Co. to invest in coal and petroleum coke gasification projects." There is probably a good conspiracy theory there!
So if you get too much of that stuff in the air, and it is a heavier gas, Well here is a few examples of other deadly lakes:
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/news-killer-lakes?image=0
And before you say carbonic acid is a weak acid you should read:
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2009/November/12110902.asp
After hearing about those deadly lakes, why should we let these morons concentrate this CO2 underground? In water tables?
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16Pennny
when they detect this: it will be too late
C6H6 + C4H10 + CH4 + 16(O2 + 3.78N2) = 11C02 + 10H20 + 60.48N2
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Thanks for posting that. I think you had pulled on that hanging thread before. Along with all of the geological aspects, you are right, there are the chemical reactions to consider. These reactions can have a drastic effect on volumes and pressures, as you most likely already know.
For anyone just learning, water can hold higher concentrations of dissolved gasses at higher pressures. So as gas filled water comes to surface (low pressure) from underground (high pressure) gas comes out of the solution and forms visible bubbles, which grow in volume as the pressure is reduced.
Temperature has a similar effect. As cold, gas saturated water is heated the dissolved gas is released from solution and forms bubbles. So, if you had cold water at great depths and it was brought to the surface, rapidly, and allowed to mix with warmer waters, gas bubbles would form and expand rapidly. This rapid increase in volume does have the potential to cause explosive damage under the right conditions.
For a better description and simple experiments please see:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/education/viewing/3318_01_nsn.html
Or do your own research!
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Stinkhole is burping and subseiding more this morning
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA11_HHZ_YC_–.2013022700.gif
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They should go back to work there. They should smoke lots of cigarettes and light off fireworks too
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I agree. I want to see some singed eyebrows at the next meeting. Isn't there one today?
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and make some of the nottle rockets land on Thad's lawn, so he gets the message.
I am more suspiscious of other folk on this forum…
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I am not sure Thad is a Bayou Corne resident. And just to clarify I wish the residents no harm. I was speaking of officials. Mr. Cranch, would you like to shoot the first roman candle?
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16P
Not resident of Bayou Corne was ask to join by them back in Aug
Back to your sources – farcical- An investment group spout off about 100,000 psi – impossible. Somebody that some reporter of some unknown newspaper identifys as a"BP employee" who does not know enough to speak in specific technocal terms. Not that BP would have employees running around talking to reporters– probably break room attendant. Then the ROV vid that yiu can nir can the commentator- telling you what he wants you to see. Did you notice the 'alt' on the the screen that is altitude-distance off bottom 2.65 ft about like you seat on the floor looking at what about your feet- prop-wash– "Rupture"– yiur words "Or poor wording by a reporter." Apply. the talking head did not have a clue what they were talking about — just read the cue card written by someone who knew less- some some funny-under ground pools of oil, rig pumping concrete – can't because of the aggregate would, Halliburton used quick dry cement–oilfield cement does not dry sets due to exothermic chemical reaction and–actual I expected better from you.
You can reference the loony tunes and the know nothing and ignore the real the valid. The USCG supervised 4 bottom surveys of the wellhead/ ajacent area, these surveys were witnessed by fed and state agencies. The NOAA did a multibeam somar bottom mapping survey of the entire MC252 block and their own ROV-nothing no craters,fissure/ fractures no leaks just one natural seep…
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16P
You dispute the casing program then maybe in your wisdom you can explain how the well was drld 13,000 ft below the sea bed WITHOUT casing'
TM2020 you made a connemt in the past sounded like yiu werea bit famolar with drlg– maybe you could explain production casing set blow ou was through cased well when the Temporay Abandiment Plugs failed
Also looking for the supporting documentation for the 100,000 psi surely something that big if real would have other documentation beside some investment advisory group
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Thad,
"can explain how the well was drld 13,000 ft below the sea bed WITHOUT casing"
I would love to hear more about your theory. I never said no casing.
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16P
13,000' without casing— that was in response to you refusing to accept the BP/MC252 casing program as ran or is it you think maybe it was ran but not good. In saying that pressure from the blowout reached and pressured up other formations– just what are you saying- no casing – bad casing. Magic maybe.
And what proof do you have to show that it did reach and pressurize other formations. The is so much evidences says it did not. The ROV surveys, only one blowout, no others- the 100,000 psi Methane Hydrates never exist — can't possible to exist– That methane from the BP/MC252 reached any formation ridiculous– Note the fault in the BKLom graph it ir are anyother fault in the area would have become a seabed blow out.
You want proofs–how about you giving proofs that BP/MC252 reach and pressured other formations– that 100,000 psi methane hydrate exist –
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Since you bring it up. How many is "them". Are we talking just 1 resident and her sister or is there some committee or group?
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"Since you bring it up. How many is "them". Are we talking just 1 resident and her sister or is there some committee or group?"
Thad was invited to the group after recommendation to us by Professor Linda Hooper-Bui. We have learned a lot from thad and are very appreciative for his input and information.
https://www.facebook.com/linda.hooperbui
This resident, nor her sister had anything to do with it. Sarcasm recognized though…
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Linda seems like a nice lady, working to understand the impact of the BP spill on the ant colonies. Why would she inflict Thad on this community?
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16P
Because I do know something about the oil field and drlg. Because I caught BP's negligent mistakes, saw through their lies from the beginning. Because even though I was still working in the oil field was honest enough to speak out… My layoff came later about a month after Obama's moratorium was put in effect.
So what is your claim to fame, what background experience developed your expert knowledge..? Geology, hydrology, other earth sciences, maybe petroleum engineering, drlg technology—?
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The residents of Bayou Corne do not wish harm to ANY one. We are thankful that through this long 7 months so far, that there has been no deaths or even injuries, to residents, as well as workers on the hole, as well as Shaw, LDNR, and Texas Brines people.
Many of Texas Brines employees are locals. Many are temporary contracts, and they are all taking the biggest risk of all by being out there on and around that hole on a daily basis.
It is not even remotely funny to start talking about wishing harm to ANYONE involved.
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Before you get whacked out, I was talking about singed eyebrows.
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Bullshit. You are involved in a conversation wishing HARM to people, and I think it's clear that the others are NOT talking about just singed eyebrows, yet you play along.
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I said exactly what I meant. Singed eyebrows, nothing more.
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"But Judge, I was only driving the get away car"
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well, it is a wonderful time and all…
http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Police-investigating-9-year-old-rapper-named-Lil-Poopy-193164921.html
so there. It's the only thing I could think of besides that seeing of Double DICK Cheney's shifty eyes on Letterman tonight. Now I know I will have nightmares.
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There is also all the mess they dug up from the beaches and swamps and oil and corexit in the sink holes too BP put it there.
This thing is a witches caldron. The weakest areas are going to fall in even the roads they are putting down sand for are going to SINK all that money spent for nothing
Markww
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markww
Pls document Corexit in WHAT sinkholes– At present in Louisiana there is only one sinkhole of note and no Corexit– none has been used and none has shown up mysteriously—and BP has been around either–
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markww
Sorry mis-read — you're still claiming clean up debris from the BP disaster was put in the storage caverns– and still without docunentation–
Let me help you there– it never happened so you will never find any, give it up.
Do you think the people of the area are blind and stupid. There is one road in and one road out right through towns- Bayou Corne and Pierre Part. The people would have seen any trucks– and would remembered and would be raising hell about it now.
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What..? A lunch box and hard hat in hand.. drop your smokes in the mud…jump in the truck.. run like hell event.
Yet..the little community up the road..is allowed to remain in place.
Prudent cowards…
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HotR — and all other wanna bee comedians
Make all your silly little quips the people of Bayou Corne don't hear you and I'm glad they don't. They won't see how some think their situation is some form of low comedy.
You have absolutely no idea of their day to day existance.
They live on the edge day to day some stoic some just this side of total panic. Not having the funds to run, not being able to just toss their life into the void of nothing and start all over. Or too old to start over. Not knowing if the next tremor will be followed with a blast or the very ground fell from under their feet.
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Thad
"I'm trying to rewrite history- Well it seems that some here are trying to rewrite the laws of chemistry and physic-
There was no explosion below the sea surface- An explosion requires a fuel-the oil and gas and an oxidizer– the oxgen in air–There is no air below the surface of the sea."
http://enenews.com/area-near-giant-sinkhole-filmed-you-can-see-some-bubbling-going-on-from-road-homeland-security-emergency-preparedness-on-scene-video/comment-page-1#comment-310241
Mechanical and vapor (explosion)
"Strictly a physical process, as opposed to chemical or nuclear, e.g., the bursting of a sealed or partially sealed container under internal pressure is often referred to as a 'mechanical explosion'. Examples include an overheated boiler or a simple tin can of beans tossed into a fire."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion
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correct 16Penny…
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16P
That is a bit out of context- as it was a conventional explosion being discussed– if not so why did the person not reply come back and say, "no I was claiming a mechanical explosion."
And where is your evidence of your mechanical explosion???
All vids from beginning to end show the well head intact.
The 4 USCG ROV, 1 NOAA ROV and the NOAA bottom mapping survey show the well head and bottom intact -no evidence of your mechanical or any other explosion. Or do you want to re-write that history also. LOL
Lets go back to the 100,000psi you know so much about—
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You said you were willing to do item by item. We are still on the casing integrity. I wonder why you are not sharing your proof that the casing was good with the lawyers from BP? I am sure they would appreciate it, maybe even give you a job.
Here is what the US department of Justice attorney Mike Underhill had to say about it:
"The evidence will show that BP put profits before people, profits before safety and profits before the environment," Underhill said in opening statements. He added: "Despite BP's attempts to shift the blame to other parties, by far the primary fault for this disaster belongs to BP."
Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/2013/02/25/4490559/high-stakes-trial-begins-over.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
Sounds pretty sure.
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@ Thad..Nothing about the above statement was comedic.The situation is and has been beyond their control.
Another fool's game.
It goes on and on.
Jump on someone else..OK?
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16P
Simple-casing integrity is not in question. Note the number of times it is listed in the link you attached–
Next–
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16p—
It does mention 'negative pressure test' which I explained on another thread-hope you understood it was a testof a cement plug set inside the casing not the casing itsef– to help you understand I repost here-
It is done AFTER the casing is set and cemented. And after the temporary abandonment plugs are set inside th casing and is a test of the plug's integrity.
A tool called a 'packer' is ran on drl pipe INSIDE the casing down to the point of test above the plug- then seawater is pumped down the drlpipe to the packer under pressure equal to the displaced mud hydrostatic- packer is set and seals to casing – pressure is released off the drl- the pressure below the plug has been increased by the reduced hydostatic (back pressure) above it. IIRC some 2,500 psi. The drl pipe is observed for a pressure –no pressure increase plug tested good, pressure increases plug NOT holding test bad. BP had pressure increase clained it to be expansion then surging- they were confused but in a hurry so assumed it good. TransOcean observed the test-"worst mistake may have been placing too much trust in the BP supervisors on the rig." Exactly TransOcean could have over-ridden BP but only for safety reasons. -Test is GOOD or is NO GOOD ..NO MAYBEs ..And the test could be re-ran,, There was no negligence in the interpertation of the test– the negligence was in ignoring the lack of good results and not rerunning. 3 hrs rig time–
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Thad, there are some interesting comments here about you:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/bp-oil-spill-case-not-closed.html
Is there any truth to them?
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And this one to Thad:
http://our-manmade-disasters.blogspot.com/2012/09/thad-dalys-inside-connection-proof-bp.html
Seems like you have quite the reputation. ENEr's beware. I have found my research for the next few hours. I recommend anyone even considering this guys comments to research his credibility and activity over the last few years.
You look nice enough but of course, I could put a picture of Jenna Jamison next to my tag. Doesn't make it true.
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And with that, Thad you are on your own. Enjoy the silence. I am no longer playing your game.
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Excellent find 16Penny
I've found the individual to be highly suspect, albeit technically proficient.
I certainly wouldn't claim to know he is a troll, but his persuasive techniques embody well-tested propaganda techniques.
For propagandists, the goal is to be an opinion leader who calls into question oppositional opinion leaders' legitimacy or integrity.
Achieving this end requires a troll to be reasonably educated on the subject matter and adept at 'objective' seeming attack.
Of course, this strategy is an acceptable form of debate and wouldn't be problematic if used without deliberate deception employed as well.
I've engaged with Thad and I see that he often deflects comments he doesn't want to address.
Again, who doesn't?
However, this is a typical sign of a troll when the deflections concern critical issues in the debate.
The fact that others see the same patterns across blog sites suggests either deception or strange deflections.
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Yep, that is why I have decided to move my attention elsewhere. It wasn't only those two sites. Way more than enough evidence of a pattern to show that once he is done here he will relocate and repeat.
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@16Penny – found an interesting read for you penny.
http://our-manmade-disasters.blogspot.com/2011/03/thad-daly-your-biodata-dont-add-up-you.html
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TM2020
this is the "famous hiding from assissans" BKLim
Pls tell me you don't believe it was possible for BP to have drld 3 wells– 2 of them secret.
Yeah I called him out, showed the lie and that why he did the hatchet job.
And you could a lot better by reading and evaluating the crediblity of an article before posting it as proof of anything
I should say "THANK YOU" because the article makes me look better than worse if the reader know anythimg about offshore drlg–
THANK YOU!
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Majia
And what is the critical issue I am trying to deflect others from?
Pls you brought it then you should be able to state
Trolls deflecting — is that anything like bringing up impossible issues only vaguely related, endlessly debating with out presenting real proofs while refusing to accept the proofs from others
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Apologies if I've misunderstood you Thad but what would be helpful is if you clarify your position when challenging others' proofs.
For instance, the one issue I engaged with you over concerns whether the ocean floor was fractured at one (or more) of the BP well sites (since there were at least 2 drilling sites).
Rather than discussing the evidence, you challenged the integrity of my source, Matt Simmons, with reference to his stock purchases in BP.
But there were other sources of information for a fractured ocean bottom.
Dr. Robert Bea, who teaches engineering at the University of California Berkeley, also warned the ocean floor could be fractured http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/08/top-oil-expert-geology-is-fractured-bp.html#comment-form
Additionally, Simmons wasn't the only one to have strange conduct around stock:
Jon Swaine and Robert Winnett “BP Chief BP chief Tony Hayward Sold Shares Weeks Before Oil Spill,” The Telegraph (2010, June 5): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html.
For more background on outrages stemming from BP and gov. conduct, especially on corexit, see here
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/no-justice-possible-in-bp-oil-spill.html
Thad we may just disagree, but in our communication I felt that there was a deliberate effort to dismiss the argument about the state of the ocean floor without considering the evidence
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Majia
What I try to address is lack of proof or things put forward as proofs that don't prove—Go back and read the train between 16P and myself he did not present a single proof that the BP/MC252 blow out pressurised others formations- where I did present proofs—
As for a Matt Simmons he was your evidence and the stock issue was to show just how credible he was not.
In all honesty if I'd had money I would have bought BP stock because I knew his rants were baseless.
Corexit- I don't like Corexit or even similar dispersants. BUT it was a legal product to make and sell so cursing NALCO is useless. It was alegal and THE approved dispersant, BP's use broke NO law using–EPA had pre-aproved. Over use? subjective call yes? but the EPA allowed its continued use. No the party to address is the EPA on what they approve and how they approve. We don't need a replacement that is a varient of Corexit with a different name.
Disniss the condition of the ocean floor without considering the evidence. Not even. I did consider the evidence – did I not mention the 5 ROV surveys-USCG and NOAA and the multibeam sonar survey – NOAA.. Simmons and other were making their claims and predictions 2 and 3 yrs. The ROV surveys(2) and the multibeam sonar survey are current Aug-Sept '12
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Thad
Are you saying that Dr. Robert Bea is supporting BK Lim?
Maybe I misunderstand your comment below but I can assure you that Bea's findings are empirically derived.
In DEC of 2012 PNAS reported that research was still ongoing to determine the effects for the Gulf. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/11/29/1204729109.full.pdf+html
Please LINK survey reports by NOAA and and USCG.
I searched and couldn't find them.
All I found was a report that BP released THEIR survey to the government in Dec of 2012
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2012/12/coast_guard_releases_videos_of.html
BP initially didn't want to turn over their survey data or reports but eventually was persuaded to some stuff over to the Coast Guard (in Dec 2012)
http://democrats.naturalresources.house.gov/press-release/markey-pushes-bp-coast-guard-release-results-macondo-survey
I CANNOT find where any agency other than BP actually conducted the survey.
So, if we are relying on BP exclusively for survey data then I would say we really don't know what happened at the bottom of the ocean
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Majia, thank you for posting that background info from Dr. Bea. And you are right on with your assessment of it being less than intelligent to rely on the crook to report their crime. At least with Bayou Corne we have a few eyes on the situation that are not answering to Texas Brine or influenced by the revenue they generate.
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Wow Majia, it is clear that anyone demanding proof that the casing failed is either aware that BP has not been forthcoming with the technical data that could support that or is completely oblivious of the information you posted in those links and the source documents linked to in Washington's Blog. There is a ton of background there if anyone wants to learn what is going on beyond the usual press releases.
I just came across the official link to information publicly released by the proceedings in NAwleens:
Current developments and history of court filings:
http://www.laed.uscourts.gov/OilSpill/OilSpill.htm
Link to publicly released court documents:
http://www.mdl2179trialdocs.com/
I haven't gotten into it but I expect it to be like a rotten apple. Full of dark nasty stuff. My reasoning for that guess, US DOJ was offering a substantially higher settlement than BP would consider before the trial. That indicates high confidence that the court will find in favor of the prosecution based on the available evidence.
As I like to say, time will tell.
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Majia excellent find
this is the "famous hiding from assissans" BKLim
Pls tell me you don't believe it was possible for BP to have drld 3 wells– 2 of them secret.
Yeah I called him out, showed the lie and that why he did the hatchet job.
And you could a lot better by reading and evaluating the crediblity of an article before accepting it as proof of anything
16 P–I should say "THANK YOU" because the article makes me look better than worse if the reader know anythimg about offshore drlg–
THANK YOU!
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See my comment above. I said nothing about BK Lim.
I was talking about Dr. Robert Bea, who teaches at UC Berkeley.
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Majia
The article by Bea was "could" it was not a report of "is".
No one has presented proofs of MC252 pressurizing surrounding formations, least of all 16P.
There is no evidence. Period. The ROV surveys are approved and supervised by the USCG– all vids have "data clock" ROV operators are independent operators with logs of 'bottom time'
No physical evidence– if MC252 had charged other formations the faults in the area would be venting and bubbling like a Jucucci– has not happened– im fact the natural vent at 1.6 mi away has not increased in activity–
You, 16P and other want to believe bottom damage, pressurized formations yet none can prove it is, yet denie proofs that it isn't. So why is one group held to a higher standard of proof?
!6 P can not even explain what he bases his claims on.
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"I was talking about Dr. Robert Bea, who teaches at UC Berkeley."
And who is giving expert testimony in Federal Court this week. He also formed and participated in the Deepwater Horizon study group. Their full report is here:
http://ccrm.berkeley.edu/pdfs_papers/bea_pdfs/dhsgfinalreport-march2011-tag.pdf
It is also going to be in the court proceedings.
A quick search of it turned up no occurrences of Thad or Daly, together or separate.
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16P
I will stand on Linda's recommendation
But if you really want to be a muckraker let me help you – check out BKLim and clone and sheep, he has done several hatchet jobs on me– but for true objectivity read the full posst so you can see what so upset him/ them. BP drilled 3 wells 2 secret, the DWH struck by a blue beam weapon? to destroy the helipad to prevent crew survival and sink the rig– you'll like that one has pics showing "beam burn marks and damage" problem is it is the other side of the rig sinking, He clains the disaster was an intentional BP MIHOP, "Made It Happen In Purpose" event to depop the GoM coast. BP used Nune device to kill well. If you like people bashing me you will love BKLim– go to the source most of the other bad mouthers are only his echo
Other articles by him you may like- Indonesia and Japan earthquakes/ tsunamis were MIHOPs. Then he also claims that hie"expose's' are si danming that there has been several assissanation attempts and he niw lives in hiding'
When refuting claims with proofs and logic when it can't be denied ot either ignored,names called-troll is a favorite- or the hatchet job– so go for it but you will only find slander from the ignorant, enjoy—
But in no way will they detract from proofs or in you case lack of–LOL
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Comments, yup, that's ALL you have shown 16P. Comments from other posters and bloggers. THEIR opinions, like yours and other here that have accused Thad of being a troll and a BP shill. How is that any convincing evidence or proof?
So, if someone else points out your comments here, on another site, will that be proof to those readers? LOL.
Thad doesn't change the subject to get out of anything. He changes the subject, when he gets tired of repeating himself 5 different ways and finally realizes that the recipient of his posts just aren't listening.
So, I am not being called a troll and a fraudulent shill as well. Soon that will be all over the internet as well, and so that must make it true.
I have been on the internet a loooong time, and have participated in many many discussion forums, and have NEVER seen anyone be able to keep his cool and shrug off the saracsm, insults and name calling as Thad does. And they are plenty, and ongoing. When he finally does reach his fill of the insults, his way of responding amazes me because he hands out a scortching response with the utmost grace, and send the recipient walking thinking he has just been complimented. And never the first curse word, or deragatory comment. Just facts.
I salute him for that and think THAT is what gets to most of you.
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My position has been clearly stated. I have accused him of nothing but providing incoherent arguments over and over. I stated his posts elsewhere were more of the same we have seen here on ENE. Show me where I call him anything. Show me where I say that BP had no casing. Show me where I claim to be an expert.
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16 p
shows us how BP/MC252 pressurized other formations claimlng it did is suggesting no casing or bad casing– so what is it? Show us—
and how /where does methane hydrates exist with 100,000 psi
And the places you made those claims repeatedly is there for all to see–
Next–
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NEWS: Crewboat hits shut-in wellhead a mile off Louisiana coast
Feb.27 2013
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2013/02/crewboat_hits_shut-in_wellhead.html#incart_river_default
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I find no trail of activity to indicate Thad is working as a deep agent to stir up trouble. Yes, you found a couple of accusatory posts on that blog that call him a BP troll.
Dig a little deeper… Click on the name by his picture to see his open Internet postings. You might find he's not exactly your typical defender of big oil unless you think he is some deep cover sleeper agent:
"The US government final starts following through with punishing corporation's negligence and instead of appluading you piss and moan that it was a poor little UK company that got caught in their obvious negligence.You cry about what was not done yesterday. Wake up it is today and a change is being made. Sorry if that is not good enough. Tell it to the 11 dead on the DWH or the 15 dead in BP texasCity refinery"
SP: blaming your emails being hacked is a low blow to accuse anyone without proof. We know the government can do that at will, but trolls and BP? I may have been born at night but not last night.
I see a poster who likes to joust with others about technical facts of drilling, oil and gas behaviour, and other oil field and waste storage issues. YMMV.
I certainly don't know all the vagaries of oil and gas hydraulic fracturing versus hydro fracking for groundwater, but I research, pay attention and try to get smarter. Like this link:
http://www.ngwa.org/Documents/PositionPapers/Hydrofracking%20-%20Water%20Wells%20Pos%20Pap%20Jan%202012%20singles.pdf
Cheers,
SP
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Sickputer, I don't think I did claim Thad was anything. I stated he has a reputation on the internet, and I see other examples of blogs where someone using the same profile makes wild unsubstantiated claims and provides little or no proof to back it up. A good example is claiming that the bp spill never pressurized any rock formation and that it was contained by the sheath. I show the guy? that indeed there were statements made by officials (both state and federal), employees and information coming out from the trials to the contrary. His proof otherwise is to point to a diagram of the well casing, no proof that it depicts as built conditions, and say "see there's proof". Then change the subject, lay some bs down about me claiming to be an expert (rather I am claiming his assumptions are not supported by the evidence) and interject that I somehow claimed that BP drilled the well with no casing.
SP: "I see a poster who likes to joust with others about technical facts of drilling, oil and gas behaviour, and other oil field and waste storage issues. YMMV."
If that were truly the case we wouldn't be having this discussion. I see a knight who pretends to be drunk off his horse so he can get away with cheap shots in hopes of getting to the final joust. Technically speaking about his posts, he blends truths, opinions and flat out lies into a pudding that is convincing to the eye and nose. The stomach just can't tolerate it though.
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16P
You are right I do have a reputation but not what you want to claim or would have others to believe. And it people like you that gave me my reputation – not suffering those who play expert but can back it up.
You keep claiming that BP/MC252 pressurised other formation. You have yet to provide any proof.
I have provide proofs- reason why it could not and proofs that it did not, yet all you do is ignore and continue to bang your gong–next step is your are suggesting I'm a troll.
Put up your proofs that the BP/MC252 blow out pressurized other formations explain how it did it through steel casing and cement or admit you can't –put up or shut up–
Can you do that? or are just going to bang your gong–
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Hi Folks…been busy, so not much commenting. I really don't know how a thread about Bayou Corne degraded to this point, and that is none of my business.
Work is still ongoing at the sinkhole and the berms are being built up even higher again, because there has been subsidence over the last week. Now that that have closed the ends up, hopefully it will at least slow or stop the transmissions of hazardous chemical compounds to Lake Verret.
The toxic build up will begin, but half dozen of one, and six of another. Fluidic movements and some rock falls have been recorded, but due to the shallower funnel of the 'stinkhole', pressure continues to build and the 'plug' is more embedded than at any other point…
Worrisome, but what can you do? At least APPJ and CBI put out an advisory this time for the workers, and kept vegetation collectors off Well Pad 3 and the stinkhole today, although drilling, trucks, and berm building continued. That is progress.
As for the issue of Methane (Hydrates), if you get the chance to watch it on History, the I highly recommend 'MEGA DISASTER: Methane Explosion'. It is so very informative, and settles many arguments over these issues. It's like twenty bucks at the History Channel, but it should be on again sometime this week, do check local listings.
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Did a quick search and found a portion of that episode on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHMuoV2SJaU
Enjoy and you can donate the 20 to a good cause like FUKU kids.
Here is an easy way to give:
http://kuminosato.net/english-2/background-of-its-foundation/
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Is it coincidental that the History Channel picked up on the parallel of the CO2 releases or am I just thinking along rational lines?
One item in the interview with Dr. Gregory Riskin (spelling?) that interested me is that he said the Methane Hydrates, or methane clathrates, would accumulate in stagnant water. GOM is stagnant.
To follow my initial background on the CO2 explosions see this post:
http://enenews.com/officials-work-by-sinkhole-suspended-increase-in-underground-fluid-movement-odor-from-hydrocarbons-being-released/comment-page-1#comment-333802
More to come.
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16P
"GOM is stagnant."
Since when–?
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/rtofs/current_gulf_1.png
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dhos/fig_sat/gc/gulf_20100822.gif
http://texaspelagics.com/GOMocean/GOM_LoopCurrent.jpg
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Incomplete combustion of kerosene with a boiling point of 205 to 260 deg Celsius during a quick flash over could get you this: 2C14H30 + 29O2 —–> 28CO + 30H2O where no nitrogen is involved in this part. The fractions are heavy and vary. Eye witnesses smelled kerosene at one of these vids. This reaction can be seen as an oxygen thief. (No links for that – my words). It is the understanding of these that matters so much. These extra comments are not meant to be all inclusive of all related facts neither meant to change anything you said. Your posts contain many valuable links of meaty substance. If Thad gives you the &60 you can smiley send me &5?
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And this relates to the sinkhole and area how?
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There are three major petroleum source-rock formation systems that have been identified in the Gulf Coast Region.
http://www.datapages.com/AssociatedWebsites/GISOpenFiles/ReservoirsandPetroleumSystemsoftheGulfCoast.aspx There should be a fear of the CHRYSENE, BENZO[A]PYRENE and BENZO[B]FLUORANTHENE polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons with strong carcinogen affiliations. The bubbling is followed by oil and something of a 100 000 compounds, because that is what oil consists of and would be rather unique to the sink hole, so the exact characteristic being very speculative at this time without constant fingerprint identification of all compounds present. Both active and inactive volcano gasses and path of least resistance comparisons were also made as possibilities in aspects I suppose. Some possible cause-effect studies here go beyond subsidence cause-effect with its plugged-and–not-connected-sealed-and-isolated-forever-nothing-will-go-wrong euphoria. Cheers Thad.
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haizedustrium-1234
Which of the three major petroleum source-rock formation systems is the gas and oil coming from-
Has any CHRYSENE, BENZO[A]PYRENE and BENZO[B]FLUORANTHENE been detected–
"Both active and inactive volcano gasses" which gasses ??? from where ????
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The migration terrain of releases will be more of a concern using the “water hammer” principle you taught us: formation hammer, oil hammer, methane layer hammer, fault line hammer, mantle hammer, cap rock hammer, formation fissure, methane layer breach, fault line crumble, mantle drid, cap rock nip. We aint have no 88,000 psi cement under us Thad. Slow migration aint no migration. Matt Simmons left us a lead to follow up on. Don’t expect answers with a flick of a finger. You first get a fish to bite, then you reel it in. Celebrations. BENZO[B]FLUORANTHENE is a family derivative of
what has already been detected in the industry, however, these tests should be done at the most likely point of occurrence, that is, at the point where the infertility and cancer rates are the highest, and they are high, very high. The contributory mixtures are then clustered in such a way that they cannot be statistical impossibilities. Time will tell or history, if not the release of findings.
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haizedustrium-1234
Really? and you are sure WOW.
Now say something —
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300483X10004786
“DNA strand breaks”. Dibenzopyrene Isomers are challenging analytes. Also in cigarette smoke, gasoline exhausts fumes, creosote, burning of crude and shale oils.
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC43028 “reproductive and developmental toxicity”
Don’t try to ignore it if you can’t detect it, Thad.
Fish should also contain it there.
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haizedustrium-1234
And your point is —-?
So pls confirm that you use no oil or other fossil fuels either direct or dirivative.
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Typical supply-demand scenario where the region falls directly under the supply category. Reading this thread bulletin, it speaks of fluid, probably the
safest way of describing it. When fish can rid itself of most of these PCAHC in two days, they will be in the Upper Confidence Limit, with clean water dependency in the area. With regards to humans, the question would be how much is absorbed from the lungs, skin and gastrointestinal tract over an extensive period of time. When you want to drink water, you want to drink water, when you want to breathe air, you want to breathe air, while using fossil fuel and oil for something else.
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haizedustrium-1234
For your sanity sake DO NOT do you realize what fish do in it.
you will be talking gibberish soon—
LOL and Bye
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http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/benzob.html
ok, sure comin'up gonna be goood
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