TEPCO preparing to dump ‘decontaminated’ water into ocean — Still has strontium after ‘decontamination’… likely plutonium, uranium too (VIDEO)

Published: December 15th, 2011 at 9:33 pm ET
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TEPCO won’t release treated water to sea for now, NHK, Dec. 16, 2011 (Emphasis Added):

  • [Tepco] has decided for the time being not to release decontaminated water into the ocean
  • It is having difficulty dealing with the decontaminated water
  • Amounts are exceeding the initial estimates
  • Underground water is also flowing into basements
  • [Tepco] says it will not release water into the sea until it implements 3 measures:
  1. Blocking underground water from entering the basements
  2. Improving and stably operating decontaminating equipment
  3. Increasing the number of storage tanks

Additional Steps?

  • TEPCO says it will not release water into the ocean without approval from relevant government offices
  • A TEPCO senior official says his firm will explain its efforts in detail to relevant organizations after taking the 3 steps
  • He says TEPCO will also properly brief the national fisheries association and local fishermen on its plan

Japan Times, Dec 5: “The decontamination system Tepco is using to stablize the crippled reactors mainly removes cesium, but does little to mitigate strontium”

In addition to the Strontium, pieces of melted nuclear fuel are thought to be in the water:

According to Arnie Gundersen:

  • That nuclear core is in direct contact with tons of water
  • Contains radioactive cesium, radioactive strontium, and it also contains nuclear fuel
  • There will be uranium in that water and plutonium in that water as well

Watch the NHK video here

Published: December 15th, 2011 at 9:33 pm ET
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67 comments to TEPCO preparing to dump ‘decontaminated’ water into ocean — Still has strontium after ‘decontamination’… likely plutonium, uranium too (VIDEO)

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    TEPCO does not have the ability to get any isotopes aside from Cesium out of the water. This will lead to watered down nuclear fuel being released again. Since they cannot clean other isotopes out TEPCO.gov will claim that there is nothing they can do but dump it into the sea. Shameful negligence has been done on the part of the utility with their lack of detail on decontamination details during the early stages of the disaster. SHAME SHAME SHAME


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    • SnorkY2K

      This is bullhockey. Even a water softener will take some of it out. A mixed bed ion exchange column will also remove large amounts and an reverse osmosis pre-feed can take the exhaust levels below background. Cyclonic separators can also be employed to reduce the load on the columns. Mixed bed ion exchange columns cannot remove noble gas radio-isotopes but can handle all ionic metals. These columns do not eliminate the radiation though. They need to be recharged and during the recharging they would give off highly concentrated extremely radioactive material that would need to be handled carefully and be expensive to dispose of properly. I believe that they prefer to dangerously pollute to save the cost of proper disposal.


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      • Grampybone Grampybone

        Decontamination would cost them billions of dollars they do not have so cutting corners is the best option for TEPCO. They will try to sell the dumping as “the only option”.


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        • fredlvie

          i think,nobody on the world is able to “decontaminate” water that had contact with a molten reactor-core.this is ionizing radiation with a level of several hundreds of GRAY,maybe several THOUSANDS.and makes all other things radioactive that is hit by this radiation.


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      • dosdos dosdos

        Reverse osmosis would only increase the amount of water that is contaminated. It’s not a viable option.

        Depending on the system, RO uses five to twelve times the amount of water that is purified to rinse off the impurities from the membranes. The radiation particles would remain the same, they’d just be five to twelve times wetter.


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  • Ken31ONCA

    This is insane, but has been going on for a while now. I can only imagine how much of the stuff has piled up there with thier 6 reactors and who knows how much they had sitting there since 3/11 they need to fly that stuff to mars or something. they should of know better sooner, i blame the people who created and promoted the dirty stuff in the first place being 1930s or whenever it was. What a mistake it was


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    • Anthony, this editorial “Critical Mass” in Nature makes an implicit argument that the US nuclear regulatory system and environmental regulatory system are LESS captured than found in the Japanese system.

      I’m really not sure that its true the US system is better.

      How many US nuclear engineers and scientists have we heard discuss this issue transparently and publicly in the US besides Gunderson and other activists?

      UC Berkeley seems to have delegated most of their communication about the radiation aspects of the event to graduate students.

      If we had a truly independent system I would think US experts would be sharing their expertise on news shows, Internet discussions, science journals, etc…

      I’ve been looking and I am find very, very little discussion.

      What do you think?


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    This is so sad what has happened to the world and to the people, all because of greed.

    Anyone know a better way to get of all this waste and stop this disaster?


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  • dpl dpl

    it’s illegal dumping but WHO cares.
    they are announcing it in case some neighbor country wants to raise an objection Russia ,China, Korea anybody.
    the ocean is not a dump , DON’T DO IT!!!


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    • many moons

      Industry will keep polluting the ocean until there is nothing left to pillage there, and then (actually now) lots of industries can use it as a dump cause what does it matter it’s already polluted. However the real estate market will be injured by this kind of thinking cause no one will spend high prices to look out onto the smelly ocean! California beachfront might as well pack it up and head to the cascade mountains….oh wait a minute, there was a lot fallout in that region…hm real delima…the gulf has that smelly BP problem that’s killing folks down there….well South Carolina, that will be a good place to move except I believe there has been some nuke trouble there too…oh my, plenty of money but no where to live….I know I’ll follow the Bush’s example and move to Paraguay! Paraguay! One of the poorest nations in the world, we will make it rich with all our dollars!!!! Paraguay our new nuclear free home!!!


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    • fredlvie

      leading it into the ocean is the death of mankind.it’s ionic radiation,that makes ev’rything also radioactive thats hit by that stuff….


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    • fredlvie

      WHO does NOT care!

      ;-)

      WHO= world health organization

      ;-)


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  • hbjon hbjon

    So much for the tuna catching industry in Japan. Make mine a tuna salad sandwich on rye but hold the tuna. Make it a catcher in the rye. lol. That’s what all you guys are here. Catchers in the rye. Please catch them before they eat that tuna sandwich. They used to make us read that book in school. I often wonder if anyone learns to read anymore.


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    • fredlvie

      so eat fish as long as you can eat it.but proof it with a geiger-counter before eating…
      damned nuclear industry.GODdamned!


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @hbjon

      I am, and have been, a voracious reader all my life (at least since the 2nd grade). My twelve year old granddaughter also reads a lot. It runs in our family to be readers. So, at least some of the younger generation reads.


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  • unspokenhermit

    I too support the idea of sending the contaminated stuff to somewhere safe. On this earth there must be some place that can still bear this pain caused by human carelessness and or hunger for excessive power.

    I recently discovered the following dispersion model, which someone had linked to Berkeley’s discussion page. It uses TEPCO emission data to model possible dispersion patterns for Neptunium and Plutonium

    http://www.datapoke.org/blog/89/study-modeling-fukushima-npp-p-239-and-np-239-atmospheric-dispersion/

    http://datapoke.org/partmom/a=114

    If this model is accurate, it is very disturbing. Where are all of the so-called experts who claimed these elements were too heavy to travel far from the plant site?


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  • hbjon hbjon

    I am sure glad that wasn’t me pontificating about those dang isotopes. But I found a great quote from the classic book I mentioned above.
    “Among other things, you’ll find that you’re not the first person who was ever confused and frightened and even sickened by human behavior. You’re by no means alone on that score, you’ll be excited and stimulated to know. Many, many men have been just as troubled morally and spiritually as you are right now. Happily, some of them kept records of their troubles. You’ll learn from them – if you want to. Just as someday, if you have something to offer, someone will learn something from you. It’s a beautiful reciprocal arrangement. And it isn’t education. It’s history. It’s poetry.” ~J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye, Chapter 24, spoken by the character Mr. Antolini


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  • dpl dpl

    the rainout sample wiped from my car today in san jose measured .4uS/hr after 5 hours same sample dropped to half value. if the worse is behind us why are the RADS still going up? hello, a little show of humanity from the scientific community would be appreciated.


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  • James2

    Do you folks see the truth here?

    First off, Tepco doesn’t exist anymore – it’s the Japanese government calling the shots.

    Second, They have no intention of trying to contain this. They have done the financial calculation. They don’t have enough money to evacuate people, and they don’t have enough money to contain it.

    They have every intention of dumping everything into the ocean and waiting for it to float away to somewhere else.

    Every bit of radiation that goes in the ocean is radiation that they don’t have to clean up.

    It’s exactly like you taking a bottle of plutonium water and dumping it down the drain in your house, because then it’s someone else’s problem, not yours.

    If the rest of the world lets them continue to do it – they will.


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    • Misitu

      That’s an example of what I call Antisocial Behaviour.


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    • Same with the incineration James

      Unbelievable what they are doing with burning it…


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      • James2

        Of course it is.

        I’m shocked that China and Korea and the United States would stand by and let the Japanese do this without any kind of intervention whatsoever.

        This stuff is going to render China and Korea’s ocean waters unfishable and unable to sustain life. It will kill their beaches.

        It is sending waves and waves of radioactive clouds sailing toward the US.

        No action…


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        • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

          My view is that they are all corrupt. China – human rights? Korea – slave of the U.S.? U.S., a model of freedom and liberty, by butt! Congress just voted away our rights on the bill of rights anniversary with a military authorization bill of indefinite detention, which means American citizens can be arrested, jailed, and imprisoned indefinitely by the military, without any legal defense. This is completely unbelievable, but they did it!

          In the words of Dennis Kucinich, Ohio Congressman:

          “Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today outlined his opposition to H.R. 1540, the Fiscal Year 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in a speech on the House floor. The NDAA contains unprecedented language that would authorize the military to indefinitely detain individuals without charge or trial – including U.S. citizens and those captured on U.S. soil. It also “affirms” that the U.S. is in an armed conflict with Al Qaeda, the Taliban and “associated forces” (that are undefined), setting the stage for permanent global warfare.”

          “This bill authorizes permanent warfare anywhere in the world. It gives the president unchecked power to pursue war. It diminishes the role of this Congress. The founders saw Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which places in the hands of Congress the war power, as essential to a check and balance against the executive abuse of power. This legislation diminishes Congress’ role in that regard.”

          http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=272606


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    • fredlvie

      If the rest of the world lets them continue to do it – they will.

      and they DO!it’s a crime against the WHOLE WORLD AND ALL THE HUMANS LIVING ON!


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  • James2

    Honestly, I think the Japanese government totally caught the US government with their thumbs where the sun doesn’t shine.

    The stupid NRC and congress and Oblama himself believed that the Japanese would work to contain this thing. THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF IT RIGHT FROM THE START.

    Do you recall how they turned down help from other countries? How they didn’t want hardened nuke robots? how they seemed to do the opposite of the logical thing time after time? IT WAS INTENTIONAL. Because they never intended to do the logical “containment thing”.


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  • batista

    James,

    Maybe there really was a virus attack on the NPP’s computers. Mochizuki reported a confession from an IT guy at the F1 NPP that there was a cyber attack coming from Russia. Who knows whether it is the latter standing behind it?

    Maybe the reactors could have been “killed” but the stuff is kept by the US for use on its own NPPs in case of need – God forbid.

    Who knows whether there is no truth in the assertions of some conspiracy theory nuts about a Jp nuclear arms program and cyber attacks on the F1 NPP?

    If anything that might make them distrustful towards others and even willing to take the rest of the world with them to hell.


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      • VanneV anne

        Computers don’t control reactor.
        Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-11-04 14:09.
        “Word on the street, for some time, has indicated that a version of the Stuxnet worm was found in the Fukushima Nuclear Plant control systems. This was detected months before the earthquake. Lots of geek-chatter about this, on the internet, months ago. I think that report is likely.
        ============================
        “The computers at a nuclear power plant are only for data logging. They are not allowed to have ANY input on the control of the reactor. The reactor protection system, the electronics that activates emergency systems is all non-programmable discrete logic circuits. That is, all the functionality is hardwired into the circuitry, like your stereo amplifier, and is not reprogrammable.
        “Therefore, a virus can’t affect the reactor control systems. The operator’s display panels are also non-programmable discrete electronics.
        “Again, the programmable computers are only used to log data for examination after an event; kind of like a cockpit data recorder in an airliner….”
        http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5230


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    • VanneV anne

      Do you have a link for this assertion:
      “Mochizuki reported a confession from an IT guy at the F1 NPP that there was a cyber attack coming from Russia”


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    • VanneV anne

      Breaking News: Programmer of Fukushima confesses “Fukushima had a cyber attack”
      http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/12/breaking-news-programmer-of-fukushima-confesses-fukushima-had-a-cyber-attack/

      This sounds to me like government or TEPCO disinformation. If the power was off and no generators, how would the computer system have worked.

      In all the scenarios where a CME from the sun shuts down the grid for weeks, there will be meltdowns on every nuclear facility on the earth. This is called a power failure, not a cyber attack.

      The nuclear industry in trying to avoid liability and to keep on building new nuclear facilities has probably already killed off the planet and all of us.

      Scientists have known for over 55 years that nuclear chain reactions were the end of the world. Building nuclears is playing God, and the people involved think they can keep playing God without any consequences.

      The insurance industry has also long known that nuclear reactors are ticking time bombs. There is no way to get rid of nuclear waste.

      Governments should cut off all subsidies and refuse to insure any nuclear reactor. Then there would be no investors. The investors are stealing money from the people. All countries that have nuclear weapons programs and nuclear energy are kleptocracies. The genocide and stealing is bankrupting and poisoning the whole world. The tipping point was probably passed in 1945.

      It is radiation dumping in the oceans and release of krypton-85 that is causing global warming and causing the ice to melt. It is also causing depletion of the ozone layer along with all the microwaves coming from all the ionospheric heaters around the globe. Methane gas is coming out of the Arctic. This is caused by the heat of radiation waste being dumped all over and by nuclear energy plants and tritium and other isotopes being released into the atmosphere every day by every plant.


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      • VanneV anne

        There are also millions of small copper rods which were put into the ionosphere which is also causing global warming and depletion of the ozone layer. And then there are all the changes in the Van Allen belts caused by above ground nuclear testing, atmospheric testing iat high altitudes, and all the experimentation which changing the geomagnetic field to make it easier to launch space craft.

        We only have one earth. All the cell phones and cell phone towers cause great damage to brain cells. People don’t have the brains to manage the technology available today. And they don’t have the morality either.


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    • VanneV anne

      Is the Japanese earthquake the latest natural disaster to have been caused by a ‘supermoon’?

      “The powerful tsunami that today slammed into Japan’s eastern coast comes just two days after warnings that the movement of the moon could trigger unpredictable events on Earth.

      “Astrologers predicted that on March 19 – a week tomorrow – the so-called ‘supermoon’ will be closer to Earth than at any time since 1992, just 221,567 miles away, and that its gravitational pull will bring chaos to Earth.

      “Others on the Internet have predicted it will cause further catastrophes such as volcanic eruptions and earthquakes.

      “Coming just three weeks after the quake which devastated Christchurch in New Zealand killing hundreds, this latest disaster will only add fuel to their fire….”
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1365225/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Did-supermoon-cause-todays-natural-disaster.html


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    • VanneV anne

      Japan earthquake: Danger of nuclear disaster after Fukushima plant failure?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmjRG3m6Dw

      This news story says that there were problems with the cell phone system following the earthquake.


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  • VanneV anne

    “Sorry but NO! The Reactor Protection System (RPS) is immune to the Stuxnet virus because it doesn’t have reprogrammable microprocessors.
    “All control logic in the RPS is discrete logic control circuits. Saying the RPS is vulnerable to a virus is like saying that your stereo amplifier can be reprogrammed by a virus to have a different frequency response. NOPE – those circuits only “know” how to do things one way – the way they were designed….”
    http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5607


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  • The even bigger plan gets fullfilled: if you can not dump it secretly, just dump it officially. has been dumped b4 in the sea, so some tons more…. who cares…..

    maybe as a precaution build a pipe in future reactors directly from the reactor to the next ocean and call it emergency water closet……

    and after 9 months that is the result of their intense development of new methods…. congratulations.
    as someone famous said 100 years ago: i cannot eat as much as i want to vomit……


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  • jec jec

    By decree–Japan says ZERO contaimination dumped in ocean. Me thinks the Emperor Wears No Clothes…its a “fairy tale”..but not a bedtime story. This is a nightmare.


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  • datura17

    couldnt they just raise or lower the ph of the water and precipitate the metals out, then remove the water to another tank and normalize the ph and then release it? or how about dropping a couple of electodes in there and electroplate the metals onto something, and then release? and yes i know it inceases the waste, but isnt it better to have it as a solid as opposed to a liquid in the ocean? what about gelling the water and allowing it to evaporate but trapping the metals in the gel compound, kinda like the toy ‘slime’ or ‘goo’. one would think these things could be done for cheap, the cost to store/process could be a whole other game altogether, but at least the material would be in a solid form. what are the magnetic characteristics of these elements? can powerful magnetic fields be used to push or pull these elements into a magnetic trap? like designs here http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magtrap.htm although i think these traps repel and not pull, but needless to say, these are just ideas and if someone in japan can use them or spawn a better idea besides burning or releasing radiation into the ocean so be it.
    this whole thing sounds like this oil tanker skit (not real). think radioactive fuel as oil and the tanker as the reactor and the dumping of the radioactive stuff into the ocean as the towing of the tanker. the ocean is OUTSIDE of the environment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg


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  • James2

    Well, you can believe whatever crazy thing you want about what started this thing – personally a huge earthquake and Tsunami is enough for me – but in the end, what we have is at a minimum:

    3 melted through reactors;

    a huge plutonium-laden explosion;

    the largest body of water on earth with a tremendous amount of radiation in it;

    the third largest economy in the world in shambles;

    a country with over 100 million people in it vulnerable to food contamination and devastating illness – after suffering a huge natural catastrophe

    A government so desperate that they are willing to put everyone else on earth at risk so they can save themselves

    An industry so desperate to save itself that is it willing to suppress important information to people and put everyone on earth at risk so they can save their bank accounts…

    I don’t know about you, but I put that as a pretty bad thing that happened – regardless of cause, and I personally want, assuming humanity isn’t wiped out from this single incident (which amazingly is a real question here), it to never happen again anywhere.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @James2

      Please, would you notify the PBS Newshour with Jim Lehrer of those points? They are so confused they believe the reactors are in cold shutdown and all is well.


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  • batista

    I don’t think I claim any actual or purported occurrence cyber attack was the primary cause of the disaster. But such an attack could have precipitated many events.


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