Published: June 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm ET
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Serving tuna with a Geiger counter
The Oregonian
Editorial Board
Saturday, June 02, 2012, 2:01 PM
The finding reported last week that bluefin tuna caught off southern California carried low levels of nuclear radiation from Japan was another signal the world’s food chain could be compromised.
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An ocean and a continent away [from Japan], the premier New York City seafood restaurant Le Bernardin now refuses all fish from Japan, while using a Geiger counter on fish from other sources.
Yet Oregon and the West Coast are between New York and Japan. And radiation, which shrinks the world as it spreads, won’t be gone soon.
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As Oregon and Washington watch for debris released by the tsunami that triggered the nuclear failure, Japan’s radiation seems to be closer to home and even inescapable.
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The Oregonian: “Largest newspaper in Oregon and the Pacific Northwest by circulation and the 19th largest daily newspaper in the country.”
Published: June 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm ET
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"?Uncontro llable fission? is continuing under site..."&q uot; That means for over 5 years...
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Any updates on the tsunami debris in both canada and alaska?
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http://www.ktva.com/home/outbound-xml-feeds/Japanese-Tsunami-Debris-Washes-Ashore-in–155984035.html
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Thanks, Admin! As a resident of Washington State, I will be following this issue as the debris from Japan continues to wash ashore in the PNW.
But one statement in the above referenced article caught my eye: How can NOAA unequivocally state that "the debris" does not contain radiation? There's a heck of a lot of debris (over a million tons?) heading our way. Have they tested it all? Not likely…
And yet, officials are encouraging citizens, including children, to help with the clean up…yet, I do not believe they are advising them to take precautions during the beach clean ups. Perhaps they should at least wear gloves, as they could be exposed to countless other toxins in addition to radiation, yes?
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I am a part of a group beachcombing for Japan in Oregon.
I quite agree that NOAA is trying to minimize the radiation danger. After all the USS Ronald Regan aircraft carrier was over 100 miles out to sea in the days after the tsunami and radiation release and they got doused – so why not the tsunami debris.
I have a Geiger counter so I will be checking for contamination.
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hi gotham.. your gieger is unlikely to be able to pick up plutonium.. it has a VERY short energy spike and you have to be right on top of it to get even a blip from what i understand..
could be a problem regarding safe testing of the wreckage!
peace
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OT, but look at this:
Mon. 6-4: After 14 months of no Fuku coverage in U.S. media, look what suddenly appears this morning as the banner headline on our CA desert cities local paper:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=CA_DS
Raises questions such as, is the national news coverup being rescinded, did our local editors have brain-fade this a.m., did other local U.S. papers do the same coverage, and will the nuclear concern story be refuted in tomorrow's edition?
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Jump ball- in a groggy moment I was quite taken by the desert sun when I opened it up. What a headline. Quite bold.
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I think it was quite brave. I have had three people here who's love one die recently say the words 'it's an epidemic.'
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Surprised you didn't post the unusual headline when you saw it earlier…
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And:
http://www.mydesert.com/article/20120604/NEWS11/206040307/Nuclear-plant-presents-danger-West-Coast
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That link doesn't exit. It says:
Unfortunately, that page could not be found.
Don't depend on links. THings go away on the web all the time. Cut-and-paste whatever you want to share.
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It used to exist:
Nuclear plant presents danger to West Coast | The … – MyDesert.com
http://www.mydesert.com/…/Nuclear-plant-presents-danger-West-Coast
Jun 3, 2012 – More than 14 months after a massive earthquake ripped apart the Fukushima nuclear power complex in Japan, fears persist about how a …
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Try this link:
http://japansnucleardisaster.com/2012/06/nuclear-plant-presents-danger-to-west-coast/
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Gotham, that is very kind of you to offer your assistance in the coastal clean up. It sounds like it will be a huge undertaking requiring a lot of manpower.
I hope you are able to take proper precautions and minimize your potential exposure to any radiation that may be found on the debris you are picking up.
Good luck!
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They say the debris is not radioactive because they know it's mostly the accompanying ocean surrounding said debris that is radioactive pollution, that DoES NOT dilute and dissolve, but hangs together in hotspots just like in air along the jet stream…
It's Legalese! That's all.
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How in the world could it nao contain radiation?????
If the debris was somewhere out at sea when the reactors blew the debris would have been hit as was the USSR ronald regan got hit and it was farther out…..whatever was between the reactors and the USS Ronald Readgan is contaminated….no doubts…the proof is undisputable.
People should make TEPCO pay high prices for real cleanup.
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And let's not forget about the spreading plume of radiation in the Pacific from the contaminated water TEPCO has purposefully and not-so-purposefully dumped directly into the ocean. Just like the Bluefin tuna (and other sea species), surely the debris must have passed through some of the radioactive water on its way to North America…?
Here's hoping the authorities see the light and insure the coastal clean ups are done with appropriate safety measures, and NOT with the help of children.
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As previously reported by Robert Alvarez and posted by ENENews here:
http://enenews.com/us-govt-memo-radioactive-fall-out-in-ocean-does-not-gradually-spread-out-in-all-probability-there-are-streams-of-higher-radioactive-materials
And addressed by Global Research here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31200
The effects of massive amounts of radioactive contaminants pouring into our ocean, yes one ocean, have been known since 1955, just like ALL the other effects of radioactive contamination have been known since "commercial" nuclear power began. It was all swept under the rug, even after the original generation of anti-nuclear activists were screaming it at the top of their lungs. We were warned…
Save a childs future, Speak Up Everywhere, Anywhere!
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comprehensive and current debris news and monitoring links
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html
in rad free gardening and guides… protocol treats
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
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the nuclear news now link has current fukushima fallout forecasts and other rad updates. Correction to the above story … the world's food supply IS contaminated… geeeeeze.
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Hi chemfood..what is your advice on the best dosimeter for food testing? Are you familiar with the different brands? Heard any good remarks about a specific unit? Are there any brands to avoid? I appreciate any suggestions.
I am looking for a dosimeter but am having a hard time deciding which type to purchase.
Since you call yourself "chemfood", I thought you would be the one to ask!
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Howdy, Insight! rad monitoring info to know/compare
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,20.0.html
much rc info gathered from ENE rad monitoring forum. dosimeter experts likely there. for food monitoring, use the ENE search box and type ' vital1 '.
http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-april-30-2012-present
me? just a lowly dirt farmer in duck&cover mode
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,98.0.html
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Thanks chemfood!:)
You know your way around and I appreciate you steering me in the right direction. You have shared a lot of helpful information and interesting links in your blogs for everyone.
I earn my living using a computer in Los Angeles.
You have made a good choice; it is so much better being a farmer than living in a big city.
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food testing device info on June 2, 8:28 pm posts on methods for combating radiation forum, in case you didn't notice. geiger counters and dosimeters would only detect extremely high levels in food. a device for testing food costs at least $2 k, could be bought/shared by a community.
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Here is how they dealt with radiation in food after Chernobyl…
Norway, Sweden, Russia Animal Radiation Contamination Explored; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/norway-sweden-russia-reindeer-radiation.html
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And the further whitewashing of radiation in food by
PBS; Radioactive Wolves In Chernobyl Exclusion Zone Movie Review
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/chernobyl-pbs-radioactive-wolves-in.html
The green or white washing of radiation in food seems to be going on globally.
The theory of hormesis seems to be holding;
MORE RADIATION IS GOOD FOR YOU… eat up, drink up,
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In case anyone hasn't seen it, here's a look at a simulation of what the University of Hawaii's Pacific Research Center projects may occur as the ocean currents cirulate and spread the Japanese debris and irradiated water:
http://iprc.soest.hawaii.edu/users/nikolai/2011/Pacific_Islands/Simulation_of_Debris_from_March_11_2011_Japan_tsunami.gif
Sigh…
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Fact is, the world’s food chain is already compromised, by present and past nuclear accidents. Not to mention wreckless nuclear testing the U.S. did. And now, add to that, radioactive fish. All this, and for no reason. We need nuclear power like we need a hole in the head.
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agreed
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+1
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Applying the precautionary principle and from past data on source radiation magnitudes, the world's food chain is compromised irremediably unless shown otherwise.
See http://deathdealersnukes.blogspot.in
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I am certain that lots of tuna have swam or are swimming through the debris field. Some will die. The fish might float to the surface and decompose while contaminating the debris it comes in contact with. You get the idea.
…or fallout rain over the ocean via the jet stream.
The cleanup should not be done by children. Children should have fun and be kids. This cleanup is not going to be fun work or a day at the beach. It's dangerous without a doubt. There will be some shocking emotional moments too. I'm not sure if exposing kids to such things is a good idea.
Imagine everything in your house washing up on shore. Only those with gloves and rad detectors and some training in toxic awareness should be on this job.
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I agree, ChasAha. I mentioned the children because I read in a previous article in a small PNW publication that children were already involved in such clean ups. I was shocked to see two adorable kids posing for a picture for their parents while hugging giant Japanese buouys which had washed ashore. If the authorities keep things "hush hush," how will parents even know to protect their kids and forbid them from picking up debris from Japan during their visits to the beach?
Sigh…
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Are we in America being infected by the insane Japanese attitude that
everybody in Japan must be patriotic and accept contaminated debris from Fuku.
So now we want our children to help in picking up Japan's flotsam off of our "pristine"
coastal beaches. How pathetic! Reminds me of images of children in third world countries
scavenging for food etc in the garbage dumps.
Yea, take it home and have a garage sale. Any public official
encouraging children to participate should be cited for endangerment and child labor
abuse.
We must demand radiological monitoring and toxic waste protocols with this
debris.
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It was also pointed out that there could be bodies/ parts in the debris field …
children should not be exposed to the rotting human flesh/ dead pets and the like …
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I agree..Children should not be by the debris, no one should be. The clean up crew should be professionals and camera's should be there so the public, can see what is happening.
Beaches should be closed to the public as this comes in.
This is hazardous waste and should be treated as such.
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Remember how the beaches were cleaned up after the gulf disaster, pathetic..grind it up and spread it around.
This clean up should be interesting.
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When the government and the media refuse to say anything it is time for volunteer picketing with large RADIATION DANGER signs, which the broadcast media will then be forced to cover on video.
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The cycle for the Pacific Ocean Debris Field Model suggests a ~15 year window (it seems to eventually, almost, wrap around hawaii).
Close the beaches for that long ?
1:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPcpw985kdM
(note.. there are higher res version on YT. this is what i found with a quick look up).
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Hi Richard
When the debris comes in, do you think the beaches will be safe. Should the beaches be open when it is unsafe?
I say yes, close the beaches until it is safe no matter how long it takes.
I don't want kids or anyone playing in that crap. Public safety should come first.
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@WPS – I'm not qualified to answer those questions. The Model provides a wide overview. How that relates to matter arriving on the beaches, only reality and time can give the real answer.
Apparently there is already one (or more) plastic island out in the pacific.
I've taken it OT to here …
http://enenews.com/forum-topic-discussion-thread-feb-26-2012-present/comment-page-34#comment-257488
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@WSP: Any residual radiation not washed off by choppy waves, seaspray, rain and wind during a long 15-month sea voyage, is likely to be contained in algae and seaweeds adherent to the floating garbage. Local PNW fish feed on the algae and seaweed, so the main thing to consider for Japanese floating trash, is that it is a dinner plate containing potentially significant levels of Cs-134/137 in the life-forms attached to it.
Even worse is to identify any fish species that may have "caught a ride" with the garbage raft as it drifted across the Pacific, and have been routinely feeding on this "abundant food source" (as the fish see it!!) as they mature into a size we humans would love to catch…
Lots of legitimate quetions here for independent marine biologists to answer, and SOON!!
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Paradise Lost?
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No! Close the beaches for forever….the radiation will make it way to dangerous to swim in…or boat…that will be an end to transpacific cruises….8 days a float radioactive water…no thanks…
We are giving up more than we know in exchange for nuclear industries.
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Tired of words like: Could be..May..
Radiation "is" harmful to people and the environment. It contaminates everything that comes in contact with it, water, food, everything.
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OT, but we're in the earthquake 'window' again, with lunar perigee Sunday 6/3, full moon Monday, and 7'4" Pacific high tides 6/3 and 6/4. I'm ready for the P-wave EQ detector to give us at least a local San Andreas CA warning, and it's easy to follow any world or Honshu action here:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php
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We are always in the earthquake window caused by dams of the world and this is in addition to the celestial window.
The average picture for June 2012 see:
http://predictingquakes.blogspot.com
A major earthquake between 14 to 20 June in the major magnitude range 7.1 MM to 7.9 MM in the New Zealand region or Philippines or Japan or Indonesia(Andaman Sumatra Bay) including Himalayas and Peru/Chile/Argentina and Mexico/Central America and Turkey.
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Sea of Japan port has first bluefin tuna catch:
Fishermen have unloaded hundreds of bluefin tuna in a port in western Japan for this year's first catch.
A crane was used to unload the 500 bluefin tuna weighing a total 18 tons in Sakai port in Tottori Prefecture on Saturday.
Fishermen caught the tuna in the Sea of Japan off the northeast Tohoku region.
After being gutted and stuffed with ice, the tuna, each weighing 30 to 50 kilograms, were put on auction at the port's market.
The tuna fetched better prices than those last year at about 22 to 35 dollars per kilogram.
The head of an organization that promotes bluefin tuna consumption said he is happy to see the first catch of the season and active tuna trade.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120603_10.html
*radiation? what radiation?
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"…The job going forward will be to smartly detect radiation and properly scale its risk to humans, who pick up small amounts every day just by breathing. Increased vigilence, without panic, should rule.."
huh? dont panic? breathing??…..
interesting that they say that we breath in radiation "normaly" anyway?
if you want to see the levels of radiation that you breath "normally" try this gieger reading,, normal background radiation should be an uk average of 0.06 mcSv/h
real uk full time average post fukushima is 0.10 mcSv/h
and the emmissions we dont know about are best represented here..
air pollution incident (not reported but i tried!) in london from Chinon in south west france nuclear power plants.. 1 june 2012
you can skip to the gieger readings, the highest was 0.77 mcSv/h on that day!! airborne particles and maybe iodine131 (very high gamma hits!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zinrptrdLk&feature=plcp
londons always like this.. whats your town like?
buy a gieger!
0.75 mcSv/h radiation spike on the queens golden jubilee! 2 june 2012 evening.. updates in the YT comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IzYDfIqEc0&feature=plcp
funny we are not being told this huh?? probably normal air quality maybe? hot particle anyone?
sorry bout the repost admin, seemed a natural here!
the distance travelled by an emmission from chonin nuclear power plants is an estimated 2500 km or over 1500 miles, proven using low levelwind charts and…
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… a gieger counter, plus some flags and dicscussions with real human beings!!
lemming out!
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also, NILU are crap! all that expensive kit and they couldnt plot a dot on a map!! must be the pro nuke bias!!
no wonder the norwegian customs guys are going on strike monday!!
they want proper radiation monitoring for the people not the elites..
simple!
lemming out!
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and i know of lots of people who have developed various chest and throat problems after last weeks sizewell release, one of those was in amsterdam…???
"no negative health effects"? huh? you sure? or is it "no dangerous health effects"?/rant
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no staistical analysis nor algorythms were harmed in the making of this post…. FYA
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"the tsunami that triggered the nuclear failure" (from the article).
There it is again. Repeat it often enough and nobody will even think about earthquake damage to nuclear plants and, of course, "the homeland" doesn't get tsunamis so what's all the fuss about?
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You're correct. It was NOT a tsunami triggered failure, but a HUMAN arrogance triggered failure. Clear and simple.
Diverting and misdirecting the truth, playing magic with words.
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The world soon will reach a critical tipping point, that will become irreversible and all ocean life will start to die as radiation contamination starts tumbling up the food chain, followed by all life found on land, ending with mankind.
Extermination of all biological life is near, if we continue on this path.
Once the extermination tumble begins, the event will pick up speed and there will be no way of ever stopping this "death for all" process.
Mankind can't even cure their own disease patterns therefor they are clueless to the expanse of life that is now in danger of extinction based on our combined scientific folly.
Mankind must be one of the stupidest animals to have ever lived on this Planet called Earth.
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Words of wisdom, obewan. With acidic and irradiated oceans, rising sea levels which swallow the fishes' nursing territories in the river deltas and coastlines, with the amount of plastic 6 to 60 times larger than plancton, we brought the oceans to its knees pretty fast.
The vast majority of mankind has not even heard of the above, let alone has any interest in fixing it.
What's on TV?
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Oh, it's not just radiation, obewan. We've spent the past century polluting our planet with every possible toxin we could think up and produce by the megaton and dump into our air, onto our land and water. Our food supply has been increasingly deadly for a long time, as has our air and water. We eradicated old time diseases that used to regularly decimate the human population (kept it in check), and that has allowed an explosion to severely unsustainable proportions. And now, thanks to our nasty habit of fouling our nest, our life expectancies are falling again and some old plagues are returning (antibiotic resistant bacteria, etc.). We will have engineered another Mass Extinction Event.
It can't be "unnatural," as we are as much a part of nature as polar bears and earthworms. Nature will always win in the end, no matter how our grand egos pretend not so. Thus we get to live in those "Interesting Times" of the ancient Chinese curse. Witness to the foolishness of humanity and the end of whole epochs of life. This time future scientists (of whatever is the next 'intelligent' species) won't have to theorize about causes. If they can decipher our scribblings of lament…
I hope they do better than we did.
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When you shit in your own nest there are consequences.
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The Oregon Governor responded to a letter expressing concerns over monitoring radiation in fish written in early April of this year with the following:
"The Oregon Public Health Division and the Environmental Protection Agency continue to track levels of radiation linked to the nuclear power plant event in Japan. According to Oregon Public Health, the small amounts of radiation that have come to Oregon due to the events in Japan remain well below the typical levels seen every day. Radiation levels detected by the EPA monitoring stations in Portland and Corvallis are staying within the normal range.
You can learn more about the continued monitoring of this situation at the Oregon Public Health’s website."
From other sources, I know the baseline has at least doubled since Fukushima, and no official testing of fish is being done in Oregon.
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The Oregon Governor responded to a letter expressing concerns over monitoring radiation in fish written in early April of this year with the following:
"The Oregon Public Health Division and the Environmental Protection Agency continue to track levels of radiation linked to the nuclear power plant event in Japan. According to Oregon Public Health, the small amounts of radiation that have come to Oregon due to the events in Japan remain well below the typical levels seen every day. Radiation levels detected by the EPA monitoring stations in Portland and Corvallis are staying within the normal range.
You can learn more about the continued monitoring of this situation at the Oregon Public Health’s website."
From other sources, I know the baseline has at least doubled since Fukushima, and no official testing of fish is being done in Oregon.
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The corner stone of nuclear advancement and research, UC Berkley hasn't said much lately….they will be able to study the effects of radiation so close to home….what are they thinking about all this radioactive debris…wjere will they put it….I say haul it back to Japan before it gets here!!!!
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possible effects of isotopes and other chemicals to the body
banned fallujah video
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