“Pacific Ocean will continue to be contaminated, kind of for the rest of time” — Containment vessels continuously leaking into sea (VIDEO)

Published: May 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm ET


Dr. Helen Caldicott interviews Arnold Gundersen
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May 8, 2012

Dr. Helen Caldicott: So what you’re really saying Arnie Gundersen is that the ocean will continue to be contaminated, kind of for the rest of time. Because there’s no foreseeable way to prevent water leaking out of containment vessels continuously into the ocean… We’re talking about continual contamination of the Pacific Ocean.

Arnie Gundersen: You’re right.

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Published: May 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm ET


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43 comments to “Pacific Ocean will continue to be contaminated, kind of for the rest of time” — Containment vessels continuously leaking into sea (VIDEO)

  • Depressing. But, the truth is often like that.

  • hbjon hbjon

    Well, I don't think "for the rest of time", the ocean will be highly radioactive. The ocean has ways to process pollution and contain it. Organic and inorganic chemistry does quite a bit to bond particles together and cause them to sink to the bottom, then get covered after years of errosion. Although, since Man invented this understanding of time, when Man goes, so does time. A few thousand years perhaps, just a blip in the scheme of things. Give it 50 thousand years and I say it is contained. Any bets? Oh, and btw it's not a sea. The thing is the Pacific Ocean.

    • ENENews

      Let's consult a dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sea

      Definition of 'sea'

      1a: A great body of salt water that covers much of the earth; broadly : the waters of the earth as distinguished from the land and air

      b : a body of salt water of second rank more or less landlocked <the Mediterranean sea>

      c : ocean


    • Max1 Max1

      "The thing is the Pacific Ocean."

      So we're gonna get hung up on what the definition of "IS" is?

      And about ways to suppress… GOM. Oil, Corexit. NOT going anywhere but sunk. Out of sight, out of mind… but you have to be that to think it's gone.

  • Gotham

    I emailed Dr. Helen Caldicott a couple of questions about a year ago. She responded to the easy one but never heard back on the more difficult one which was,

    "Could the radiation being leaked into the Pacific Ocean mutate the plankton and like this shut down the 70% of oxygen it produces?"

    I still have dreams about that question. Nightmare making stuff.

    • Gotham

      ELE making stuff.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Gotham, this concerns me, too. Destroy the oceans and you destroy most of the earth's oxygen generating capacity. Phytoplankton are the base of the oceanic food chain and the most of the earth's oxygen production. You have valid cause for concern, and I echo your concern.

      The fact this isn't being dealt with in a meaningful way tells me it's incredible stupidity on the part of world leaders, denial, the inability to do anything, inertia, or some combination of all of the above.

    • bleep_hits_blades

      @Gotham, Well, Dr. Bill Deagle even before Fukushima, has been saying that declining oxygen levels are and will increasingly be a major problem and threat to life on the planet – one that largely has gone unrecognized.

      I know Deagle is suspected of being a dis-info agent, and I personally think he probably is, but dis-info agents have to tell 90% or more truth in order to maintain credibility; also, I grudgingly admit that he is a very bright guy and always interesting to listen to on Rense radio (despite his very wacky-sounding religious beliefs, which happily he does not go into too much on the Rense show).

      Basically the biosphere was so trashed even before Fukushima and without taking into consideration all the problems with aging nuclear plants and improperly stored spent fuel rods, and deep corruption in the industry – that we were looking at major ecological problems/break-downs.

      Anyway you look at it, we seem to be facing a massive die-off of life on the planet, human life included.

      Pretty obviously, we human beings are fundamentally irrational in our hard-wiring. This was not a big problem before the age of technology – but now it is going to be our downfall.

    • tomarsandbeyond tomarsandbeyond

      I had envisioned a small (wealthy) fraction of the human race, the wealthiest, living safely in their isolated homes and cars with their select supply of the cleanest food and water.
      That scenario is getting more difficult if they have to make their own oxygen too!

    • Bobby1

      The corporations will be happy to sell us oxygen. For a small fee. You won't have to buy it, breathing is a matter of choice, it's up to you.

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi Gotham

      Great question, I wish I knew the answer.

      Quote: "Could the radiation being leaked into the Pacific Ocean, mutate the plankton and like this shut down the 70% of oxygen it produces?"

      My guess: It would eventually die, or mutate. Not sure anyone knows for sure.

  • "…for the rest of time, …continual contamination of the Pacific Ocean." Caldicott/Gundersen

    Which one way or another, sooner or later, the currents connect to all other oceans.

    Regarding 'debris' crossing the Pacific Ocean.

    Yet NOAA.gov lists several reasons why there IS NO RADIATION to worry about. It's basically of NO CONCERN.

    These are some of the most lame reasons. I would hope even an eighth grader could see through this veil of deception.

    Lies, deception, misdirection and more… all done with smile.

    Read this: "Is the debris radioactive?"
    From NOAA.gov

    • It states, "…consensus among scientists", yet it neglects to mention who these so called scientists are or where they're from.

      There is NO MENTION of ANY other opinion or theory. That just doesn't seem right to me.

      contact: Dianna.Parker@noaa.gov

      • gr81 gr81

        "…consensus among scientists"—-They are the ones who have "proven AGW incontrovertibly" i believe 🙂

    • Gush or Gushing: (of a liquid) to Flow out in a rapid and plentiful stream

      Leak: to accidentally lose contents through a crack or a hole.

      I think 'gusher' better describes the situation. A crack or a hole caused by a little ol' leak sounds small.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    TPTB are counting on the local media to be corrupt enough to cover this up.
    The larger MSM outlets..have already received their jargon.
    Wait until.. the lower rung wealthy on the west coast find their marinas are full of garbage.
    The fishing industry..well look at BP..we can see the total disregard TPTB hold for it.
    If it is ruined so be it.
    I assume the military..the Navy, etc…have accounted for junking up their ports on Hawaii, the West coast etc. as well.
    No problem..NOAA says it's not there.
    And since they are in collusion together..they can prepare to sail MORE filthy oceans.

  • Sickputer

    We are all now officially in the worst nightmare of Future Shock. A best selling non-fiction book by Alvin Toffler in 1970.

    Toffler wrote many humans will die from pollution in the 21st century. At age 83 Toffler lives in Los Angeles with his wife Heidi, also a writer and futurist. Hope someone gets a interview with them about Fukushima.

    • richard richard

      I read FS in the 80s, it always held a chance for an enlightened age of sorts for me… thought of it regularly over the years. I only wanted the good bits, so i don't recall the pollution stuff, i'll go back and have another read 😉

  • weeman

    Let's mitigate the problem a bit, everyone on earth is to store one liter of Fukushima contaminated water
    You could sell it right next to the bottled water

  • mikael

    I belive its so, but the nubers dont add up.
    But anyway.
    The body of water the is behind the floating debries are contaminated, the debries may be ahead, but the massive amount of water used in the first months are moust of the is Ocean bound.

    The worst part is yet to come, so embrase your self, nothing will be the same.

    And I belive also due to the different densetys regarding water layers(like atmospheric wind paterns) the dilution will not be That "effective". And eventualy the "layers" will submerge into shallower wathers. This is common knolwedge. It will eventualy deliver very high radiation, all along the Nother Parts of the American continent.
    The shitt is coming.

    The Planctons are our life line, they are the once producing majorety of our oxygen, because they are far more aboundant than trees.

    The fu..up is getting bigger and bigger, every single day.


  • doctorwhowhatwhere doctorwhowhatwhere

    Please, if you have a radiation detection device and you live near the Pacific, begin monitoring the coast and posting your numbers on this site. Measure the levels of any debris you encounter, of washed-up seaweed and other organics, and measure the water in general. Update frequently. And in your own communities, do your very best to prevent local authorities from burning the debris and to spread the word on why doing so is extremely hazardous. The NRC and the greater government has made it plain that being honest with us isn't in their best interest — we can only rely on ourselves and each other.

    • richard richard

      @pahldixon. i've loved the pacific since i was a toddler being bounced around in the waves. it's been my constant summer playground, every year, so many great memories are tied to the pacific for me. if she goes, i might as well go, so i don't think i'll bother with mediation, little point.

  • Nigwil

    Hey don't worry too much about "…water leaking out of containment vessels continuously into the ocean … " It only happens while the site has off-site electric power supply doesn't it?!

    With every oil-exporting nation of the world due to be using all their own oil production internally by 2025 there will be no oil left for Japan to import. At that point workers will not be able to get to work at power stations and gas pumping stations, coal will not be able to be carted to fuel the power stations and (as they found in UK in September 2000) the national electricity grid will quickly cease to be.

    No external electricity supply and no fuel for the standby generators and every Nuke in Japan (not just Fukushima) will melt down and blow their loads of radiation upwards and sideways.

    But with no water being pumped in to them, there will not be much radioactive water running out of them into the adjacent ocean. Sadly this unplanned cure for this particular problem of water discharges will be much worse than the disease!

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    This is the first time that high level radiation from MULTIPLE reactors has been going DIRECTLY into the ocean, with no end in sight.

    It is also the first time that fuel rods were blown into the ocean, contaminating the ocean floor (as well as all ocean water going by it) for miles around the plant.

    No wonder radiation levels are not dropping in the Pacific Ocean.

    Fukushima; Pacific Ocean Catastrophe Confirmed; via A Green Road Blog

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    I am curious if the 1,000 steel tanks above FUKU, containing high level nuclear liquid waste, are earthquake or terrorist proof?

    A huge earthquake may rip open these tanks, with horrendous radiation releases on anything downhill, and all of it will end up in the ocean.

    Also, there is no way these tanks are terrorist proof.. They have given up on all pretenses and protections..

    All of those plain metal water tanks are just open, bare and naked to anyone who wants to make a horrendous situation much much worse.

    • richard richard

      and after 50 years, they'll have 50,000 tanks, after 100 years, 100,000 tanks.

      i thought it was already all in the hands of terrorists.

      doesn't look good, no matter what way you look at it.

  • kiwirj

    There is an author, Dolores Cannon, does past life regressions. Has a number of books out on the different topics she has encountered, in one of her books is the following regression which was done and printed before the Japan Quake

    John/Zarea was taken forward to 2087 where she described that the world was now under one government and the earth was comprised of 90% ocean and 10% land, as much of the earth and water had been contaminated by radiation.

    The question that Dolores asked was “Are some of the land masses still polluted”? John/Zarea answered, “Most of them have been cleaned up by the inter-connection between humans and people from other galaxies. They have helped to regenerate what land is still available. As a result of a tragic nuclear accident, one huge area in what was Asia (she calls it ‘the Asian island’) has no land that can be used (i.e. Japan?). We have been thinking of flooding this area, but we know it would poison the ocean. It is 300 square miles of “radio-active city”. No-one lives in this area except people who do not want to change or who want to go back to the old system. As a result there are some types of mutations that take place among their births….”

    Dolores asks the question “What caused this nuclear accident”?

    John/Zarea answered, “It happened during the shift (earthquake). It wasn’t a nuclear war, but an accident. When the earth shifted, it broke up an atomic reactor. It went almost completely down to the core before it…

    • richard richard

      "cleaned up by the inter-connection between humans and people from other galaxies" – until this line, i was almost willing to suspend disbelief for a moment. this is just wishfull dreamy hope-speak. it aint gonna happen.

      We have to solve this problem ourselves, distractions like this suggest that some good fairy is out there protecting us .. well buddy, there aint.

      If you want to wait thru 70 years of fuku till then, feel free. But we'll need some action before that date.. from ourselves. no one else.

      • many moons

        Hey Richard,
        i like your positive atitude…I use to sound that way too…I'm feeling very hopeless lately….I got that FUKU bad feeling.
        If the ocean is polluted it will move into the air which will then turn to rain and contaiminate the land…it's the perfect scenario for distrauction…
        I'm going for the live it up will we can attitude…

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Sounds to me, IMHO, like NWO propaganda. The myth of aliens is supposed to cause the masses to submit to one world government. IMHO, believing such a myth is irrational and pathetic and one world government, IMHO, is also a very bad idea, especially when the rulers love nuclear power and foist off such nonsense onto the ordinary people.

      • richard richard

        @anne, i tend to agree on all of that.

        (wow, we do move OT on some threads, sorry admin 🙂 ).

        i'm not saying that there are no aliens tho 😉 (and i didn't say there was, either) but what i am trying to highlight is that it's a distraction, or a cop out, to think that some 'other' entity will solve our problems. we need to move mountains to solve this one, ourselves.

        and one world government is deeply bad news. but that's for another thread 🙂

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          @Richard, I also think that if there were aliens, they wouldn't be solve our problems. However, I won't accept aliens without proof. And I will be highly skeptical, and won't fall for holograms in the sky.

  • many moons

    I was listening to this song today and the words took on a real scarey significance…when considering the mess we are in…it was an enlightening moment
    Oh, and there we were all in one place.
    A generation lost in space,
    With no time left to start again.
    So come on Jack be nimble, Jack be quick.
    Jack Flash sat on a candlestick.
    'Cause fire is the devil's only friend.
    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage,
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
    No angel born in hell,
    Could break that Satan's spell.
    And as the flames climbed high into the night,
    To light the sacrificial rite,
    I saw Satan laughing with delight,
    The day the music died.

    He was singing, "Bye, bye, Miss American Pie."
    Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry.
    Them good ol' boys were drinking whiskey and rye.
    Singing, "This'll be the day that I die.
    This'll be the day that I die."

    I met a girl who sang the blues,
    And I asked her for some happy news.
    But she just smiled and turned away.
    I went down to the sacred store,
    Where I'd heard the music years before,
    But the man there said the music wouldn't play.
    And in the streets the children screamed.
    The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
    But not a word was spoken.
    The church bells all were broken.
    And the three men I admire most,
    The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost,
    They caught the last train for the Coast.
    The day the music died.

    • What-About-The-Kids

      Many Moons, I listened to that song last week and thought the same thing. It gave me the chills and made me cry. 🙁

      I couldn't bring myself to mention it here…but since you have now, I felt I should respond, since it was quite the coincidence that I am reading my own thoughts here in your words.

      I still hold out hope for some miracles. We need to hold on to our hope, as it is the one thing that can see us through the darkness.

      • many moons

        WATK, Thank you…I needed that!

        • What-About-The-Kids

          You are so welcome, Many Moons! I refuse to make any predictions about the future, as I humbly admit I have no crystal ball with which to predict what will happen.

          So, in the meantime, I hold out hope that there are enough caring, compassionate and intelligent people in this world who want to work towards solutions to the Fuku conundrum, who will step up to the plate and work together until solutions are found and implemented.

          I have to believe the brightest minds are right now corresponding with one another on this issue and the problem solving is actively taking place as we speak. Their solutions will be communicated with TPTB who will DO SOMETHING about it, and implement their solutions. If TPTB do not, they will be voted out of office by a growing number of concerned citizens who expect action, not simply talk, from their elected officials.

          We are watching, dear leaders, and waiting to see your response. The time to act is NOW. Our children and our planet are counting on you.

          Sweet dreams, Many Moons. I, for one, will be dreaming of a brighter future for our children.

  • arclight arclight

    maybe this is the way to go??

    "Mega-lawsuit claims nuke contamination in Armstrong Trib Live News, Mary Ann Thomas Gateway Newspapers , May 17, 2012 The nearly 100 plaintiffs alleging death, cancer and other illnesses from radioactive emissions from two defunct Armstrong County nuclear fuels plants are awaiting a trial date for what is likely to be a second set of a http://nuclear-news.net/2012/05/21/cancer-caused-by-uranium-fuel-processing-plant-claims-big-lawsuit/multimillion-dollar federal lawsuit."