Experts: Fukushima leaks “much worse” than authorities will admit — Disturbing questions confront Japan as leader visits Middle East to push nuclear

Published: August 26th, 2013 at 7:46 am ET
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Fox News, August 23, 2013: Japan’s Abe to visit Middle East in nuclear push [...] The prime minister of energy-poor Japan heads to the oil-rich Middle East this weekend in his latest push to promote nuclear technology exports [...] Japan has continued to push its atomic expertise as an important export [...] Abe, a supporter of nuclear power, visited Turkey in May as part of a wider Middle Eastern tour, signing a long-awaited deal to build a sprawling nuclear power plant [...] The agreement came a day after Japan signed a nuclear cooperation deal with the United Arab Emirates. The foreign ministry official brushed aside suggestions that the latest setback at Fukushima might put a dampener on talks during the upcoming trip, saying the government does not expect them to have “any impact”.

Al Jazeera (Qatar), Aug. 25, 2013: The Japanese PM has headed off on a Middle East business trip. He’s talking anti-piracy patrols with the Americans in Djibouti… but mostly he’s supposed to be promoting “Japanese nuclear technology”… and “Japanese nuclear safety technology”. Not the best week to embark on a nuclear sales pitch.

Saudi Gazette (Editorial), August 26, 2013: Fukushima raises disturbing questions [...] Nuclear experts believe the current water leaks at Fukushima are much worse than the authorities are prepared to admit. As the plant is in an active earthquake zone, there is a danger that further tremors could spill much of the stored water. [...] The new leak raises disturbing questions not merely about the durability of the nearly 1,000 huge tanks Tepco has installed about 500 yards from the site’s shoreline, but about the safety and costs, financial and environmental, of nuclear plants the world over. The 2011 disaster has profoundly shaken confidence in the future of nuclear power [...] experts are asking whether developing nations can safely develop nuclear power facilities of their own [...] If it can end up in such a mess, what hope do poorer, less well-organized countries have of preventing disasters at nuclear facilities? [...]

See also: New York Times: "Potential for huge spill" of highly radioactive liquid from many Fukushima tanks all at once, says nuclear design expert -- Top Officials: Leaks from more tanks are "the biggest concern... We are extremely concerned"

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68 comments to Experts: Fukushima leaks “much worse” than authorities will admit — Disturbing questions confront Japan as leader visits Middle East to push nuclear

  • LegionNetworkCH

    Push back! Stop the FED!

    Oops, wrong site? Nevermind, stop the NUKES!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvxc5QkjrE

    Cheers from Zerohedge & internetz!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    May the nations of the Middle East hear the clear warning..
    BEWARE..STOP.
    Do not advance nuclear power in your countries.
    It is dangerous..it is death.
    And when the 'super power' nations decide that they don't want you to have it anymore..they have a reason to invade.
    There are no friends with these countries..only future enemies.

    Send Abe packing.
    May fate prove up what he really deserves.


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  • J.

    http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2063.cfm

    The link above (though a bit old and including religious comments not directly pertinent to the topic) suggests that people in the Middle East already have a nuclear horror story on their hands: DU. There are several direct comments about pre-Fukushima Japan.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    After the recent headlines:
    Corium probably under plant buildings.
    Sea water radiation levels spike due to groundwater flowing around nuclear cores in the ground.
    Ongoing fission of corium seen in iodine-131 releases.
    Testing fish from the Pacific Ocean for radiation is justified.
    For the ENEnewsers who have been correct about the situation at FDNPP since 311, I hope you can at least take some solace in the fact that your posts have finally been vindicated by the experts and the press.
    Perhaps now at long last TOKYO, or at least the children, will be evacuated.
    Perhaps Americans will quit eating Pacific Ocean seafood.
    Perhaps more nations will stand up to PM ABE and the nuclear industry, and will say "no" to nuclear power.
    Besides, Abe, now is nuclear power working out for Japan these days?


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  • Sickputer

    What an insane business publicity trip for the Japan PM.

    I can visualize the political cartoon in the paper press now.

    Abe with gushing bullet wounds in his torso trying to sell Made in Japan bulletproof vests to the Arabs. Sceptical sheiks smoke their hookahs as they peruse his appearance.

    Would you buy nuclear technology from the worst nuclear purveyors in the world? Hell no!

    No Olympic Games ever in Japan! You nuclear idiots slept with the devil one time too many. A ruined ecosphere is your legacy of shame forever.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Its rather Hilarious that this guy would even try, but then we know that the current Matrix Zeitgeist program is now in full swing and operating far and wide and its called gotsa progress!

    If Bobby has it, then I want it!

    I gotsta, gotsta, gotsta have it too!

    I refer back to Einstein..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This creature..this sub-human needs to crawl back in to the hole he came out of.
    Abe is one of the best examples of psychopathy..the world will ever know.

    Disgusting beyond measure.


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    • Steve_G Steve_G

      It shows the complete disdain that this psychopathic son of a bitch has for his fellow Japanese!
      A bullet to the head would be too merciful!


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      • We Not They Finally

        The thing is, they say that he is "popular" in Japan, but since 90% of the public is AGAINST nuclear power by now, that cannot be true.

        And I totally relate to your anger, I have it too. Yet if the leaders of the world keep acting like this is a "real" leader instead of "a psychopathic son of a bitch," we're all screwed.

        Oh, you might want to check out Abe's GRANDFATHER. Apparently he was a famous Japanese war criminal who was charged but not convicted. (Of course Prescott Bush, the Bush grandfather, was charged AND convicted in the U.S. under the "Trading with the Enemies Act," but went on to become a U.S. Senator!)

        People aren't responsible for what their grandparents did, but apparently this is historically militaristic Japanese family that has never changed its stripes. Yoichi Shimatsu says that when Abe was Prime Minister the last time around, he helped bring MOX fuel into Japan through the Cheney cabal.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Japan's first lady says she is against nuclear power
    June 11 2013

    http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/151425/japan-39-s-first-lady-says-she-is-against-nuclear-power.html

    And after he gets his teeth kicked in..
    Let him go home and listen to his wife..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS. It would serve all the 'wardogs' in the world as well.May they go home and LISTEN to your wives and children.
    LISTEN to their hopes and fears.
    LOOK to see if..what they are doing is actually defense of loved ones at home.
    STAND for something.


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  • Lacsap Lacsap

    Wow they need more plutonium production? Non of those NPP's are money makers only money burners. Only if you produce plutonium you can sell it to the elite and be their friend.


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  • lickerface lickerface

    Abe is selling out? Selling weapons grade technology to the Middle East?


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "The idea of pumping water for cooling was never going to be anything but a “machine for generating radioactive water,” [Vladimir Asmolov, first deputy director general of Rosenergoatom, the state-owned Russian nuclear utility] said."
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/08/russia-offers-help-to-tepco-to-clean-up.html
    Asmolov's suggestions include switching to air cooling.

    Endoscope videos prove there is little corium left in Containment Vessels, other then molten corium splattered on the Containment walls during steam explosions. Accordingly, there is little fuel left inside the Reactor Buildings to cool. Coat with boron and sand, then inject grout to fill Torus, Torus Basement, and Containment Vessels of Units1-3.

    Stop groundwater from flowing underneath Reactors1-4.
    Use Frozen Wall, or extend Impermeable Wall completely around Units1-4.
    Pump all contaminated water into tanker ships, and decontaminate at sea.
    The worst Pacific Ocean contamination is the daily movement of groundwater through corium lava tubes and corium debris left when the corium left Reactor Buildings1-3.
    If 1,000 tonnes a day of groundwater flows under the FDNPP, then fully 600 tonnes becomes highly contaminated, IMHO.
    TEP.gov must intercept and divert all 1,000 tonnes a day of groundwater, in order to keep incoming groundwater from continuing to flow under the plant.
    Storing 300 tonnes of newly contaminated cooling water per day is a very bed idea, and cannot be sustained.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Nations no longer have to threaten nuclear war. Now the aggressor simply must threaten to sell the enemy a NPP


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    • We Not They Finally

      Wow, Philip, you are so full of well-thought-out suggestions, that it's obvious you really care. But the PRACTICALITY? Like why treat the toruses if the melted fuel is already out of containment? And how do they "stop the groundwater" since the NPP is built on an AQUIFER? And if they did (probably impossibly!) stop the aquifer, then the ground under the plant would become so hyper-saturated that crazily radioactive SPF 4 as well as the devil's playground in reactor 2 would just topple into nuclear hell.

      You know, I like to think that this can be "fixed" too! That prospect is just looking very dim, yes?


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    • flatsville

      PUN, assuming they could block water on the land side of the plant complex from running down from the high side of the site, based on the fact the diverted a river to site the plant, they have flooding from below. And assuming frozen wall can be engineered, it seems difficult to stop ground water from coming up from below that originates from other points further west along the river bed. Not being at all critical of your remediation/site management concept. You've put more problem solving thought into this than most. Just trying to wrap brain around hrdrology problems.


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  • weeman

    In the middle east what is more precious, water or oil.
    You could run several gas powered generators from the gas they flair off into the environment in each country.
    What limited water you have you want to run it through a reactor and contaminated with trillium.
    Solar power would be much better, considering the sunlight you recieve.
    It's not about power it is about plutonium.


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    All we know for sure is that bussiness , especially bussiness with lots of secret's and high profit and bonusses..
    is like shit to fly's for psychopaths , they breed there..
    And so its nothing but lies…pathological coldblooded genocidal lies.. spoonfed to the global public by a so powerfull its surreal machinery created with our tax money.. with the promise it is ment to take care of us operating in the spirit of a "good family father"

    300 tons gushing dayly for 2.5 years … is what they agree "now" to let the public believe..
    But there is no way for us to tell if or how many zero's are missing from that number..


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    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      And since politics has created laws so it could legally prostitute itself to bussiness ..
      There is no longer a difference.. i wonder how they can still eat with those whore mouths..


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      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        DID, don't hold back….tell us how you really feel. lol.. I agree with you except I don't want to give whores a bad name as at least they are providing a real service …the money grubbers in control do not care about anyone, and they are too arrogant to think they could be hurt. They do not have the same humanistic sentiments that we have, and I know this from first hand experience.

        The logic we use to evaluate their seemingly lack of compassion is based on a flawed theory, as we are perceiving through our human experience of empathy, and emotion.

        The will continue to eat their caviar and drink champs while watching black Friday shoppers maul one another for a $100 TV, and laugh at the easily manipulated the masses…


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        • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          You are right newsblackoutUSA , i did not want to insult the real "workers" , who are often using their body as a last way to survive before depending on stealing it..or suicide.. usually against their will and personal dignity.., most of them did not dream of becoming one when they were a child.. many are forced by other humans who take all the profit for their slave labor..
          I respect them as hardcore victims of the system.. and will defend them too..

          But what i "feel" about the ones i just mentioned in the posts above…, who shape the industrial-political landscape..
          i did not even come close…


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  • "experts are asking whether developing nations can safely develop nuclear power facilities of their own [...] If it can end up in such a mess, what hope do poorer, less well-organized countries have of preventing disasters at nuclear facilities?"

    Thats a good point. Japan, third largest economy in the world can't control this melt down. Doesn't have the financial resources or if the proper level of finances were thrown into this mess it would be immediate bankrupcy. So this economical power house basically denies there is a problem and lets the children play in the radiation. Only a fool would build a nuclear reactor, especially if you sat on a sea of oil with lots of sun. Abe must be one slippery devil if he can sell nuclear technology knowing what a mess Fuku is.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Only an idiot could be pro-nuclear.


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  • captndano captndano

    Abe on tour to promote nuclear power??? Huh? Makes absolutely no sense if you believe Paul Gunter who claimed on RT that the Japanese government is in 'complete chaos' over Fukushima.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_34GW4KU290

    Something tells me Abe is really out there trying to raise money and rally international help. Clearly, Japan has no idea how to fix the problem and, even if they did have a plan, most definitely couldn't afford it. Might be behoove the multi-billionaire's around the world to get involved in this one. Surely, no one is immune from this epic ELE disaster.


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  • Selling MORE nuclear just shows how DESPERATE they are for $$$$..

    Like a drug dealer that had most of this supply ruined, he must sell fresh stuff to another willing buyer….

    Otherwise, financial ruin awaits…

    But that will happen in due time, anyway.

    What you put out, comes back to you.

    The sword of Damocles is frequently used in allusion to this tale, epitomizing the imminent and ever-present peril faced by those in positions of power. More generally, it is used to denote the sense of foreboding engendered by a precarious situation,[8] especially one in which the onset of tragedy is restrained only by a delicate trigger or chance. Shakespeare's Henry IV expands on this theme: "Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown";[9] compare the Hellenistic and Roman imagery connected with the insecurity offered by Tyche and Fortuna.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_of_Damocles


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  • babbo dorian babbo dorian

    If you pay close attention to the press releases wording, they enphasize the water problem but,,,,,, never a word of the coriums in earthland, alive, interacting with poorly known events down the plant,
    The major problems,
    Coriums throwing plutonium among others,
    Spent fuel that needs water flowing, otherwise, global change of life, if any.
    Throwing contminated water will only be only if we want to avoid the last one.
    No way out …… sea and sealife and surroundings, contaminated and contaminating dayly,
    If spent fuel molts, bye to everybody … was good while it lasted, now everything, if survive, will be very very different ….. did it pay to make richer the richest thru one of their more profitable businesses? They cheated the whole world, , , and they are criminals not only genocides but …… killing all living species, including us, and making a garbash all the planet .. dos it worth it?


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  • MichaelV MichaelV

    NORTHERN California UPDATE: SACRAMENTO

    I got gas 30 minutes ago; recognizing me, the cashier asked me how business was these days. I said, "terrible… corporation;s vs small locals,etc. The woman in lined behind me nodded in agreement.

    "Moreover" I continued, "Nuclear proliferation = bankrupt economies *( Fuku contamination in Pacific ocean+ fuku contamination in atmosphere + fuku contamination in California food supply, soil and H2O

    The woman in line said, "Really?…I've been having problems with my thyroid, and they asked if I had been exposed to any isotopes."

    I said, "mineral salts +baking soda +potassium +iodine +iron, etc."

    So am I just a weird paranoiac, or what.

    Info sharing is the key to mitigating this disaster.

    Unbind the collective consciousness… spread the word!!!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    MichaelV,

    Excellent!

    Yes…spread the word!

    Where ever you go!


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  • Sickputer

    Back to the ocean leak topic… Tepco says the ocean leak is 300 tons per day. Thats 69,000 US gallons. Even at 1,000 tons the water leak would be only 221,000 gallons or about 1/3 the volume of an Olympic pool (660,000 US gallons).

    What is the true volume of water passing over 200+ tons of nuclear fuel burrowing into the subsoil mudstone layers? Remember they diverted a river to build the plant. They did not divert the underground fissures that carry not only fresh water from the underground groundwater table on the mesa above the plant, but also saltwater tidal surges come underneath the plant from the ocean.

    For all we know the true coursing of water over radioactive lava cores could be tens of millions of gallons or more a day. Our experience with Tepco has been their figures are usually lowballed at least by 100 times the real danger.

    Time to tell relatives on the west coast to sell their houses and move east of the Rockies. I see some intellectuals are already quietly doing so. It's called voting with your feet.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Yes, building a huge complex of NPP's (remember, even Chernobyl was just one comparatively small reactor next to this) on top of a river (or aquifer) and adjacent to the ocean and on porous rock AND sliding downwards — what Frankenstein "genius" thought that that was the way to go in the first place??


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  • flatsville

    I was stunned to hear Tepco diverted a river to build the plant. Lived along a major river most of my life amd recognize the folly of unintended consequemces related to such engineering attempts. Is there a hydrological map of the area pre-construction that someone could post. TIA.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Shinzo Abe is a profoundly disturbing creature even if he never travels ANYWHERE. But he's gone to the Middle East to push nuclear power?? Doesn't the Middle East already have enough problems??


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  • We Not They Finally

    Oxymoron of the year in the above article: "nuclear safety."


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