Paper: ‘Very long period’ tremors increasing at giant Louisiana sinkhole — Indicates gas and ‘liquid’ moving underground

Published: March 22nd, 2013 at 6:36 pm ET
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Title: Tremors at Bayou Corne salt dome halt work again Friday
Source: The Advocate
Date: March 22, 2013

[...] John Boudreaux, parish director of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said the seismic activity was detected around 7 a.m. Friday under the sinkhole and a nearby Texas Brine Co. LLC cavern that failed and is suspected of causing the sinkhole. [...]

Boudreaux said work was stopped within the 71-acre area surrounded by a berm [...]

He said crews had been working on oil retardant boom on the sinkhole at the time the work was stopped Friday. [...]

Seismic monitors detected an increase Friday in the “very long period” tremors that scientists have said indicate fluid and gas movement below the sinkhole, parish officials said in a blog post. [...]

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See also: Alert raised to 'Code 3’ at giant Louisiana sinkhole: "Water movement in the sinkhole has been observed" -- Bubbles increasing

Published: March 22nd, 2013 at 6:36 pm ET
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79 comments to Paper: ‘Very long period’ tremors increasing at giant Louisiana sinkhole — Indicates gas and ‘liquid’ moving underground

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    How long is 'very long'..I wonder.


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    • It says "every 15 minutes" in the related posts above [March 13, 2013][for sharp tremors].

      Now we're talking of "very long period events" [not sharp tremors], so perhaps the period [duration?] has increased to, say, 25 minutes – the long-period tremors are lasting longer.

      Now that I've understood your question, we're back to the original question [!].

      http://enenews.com/official-work-halted-around-giant-sinkhole-sharp-tremors-continuing-every-15-minutes-gas-fluids-moving-below-ground

      "[University of Memphis earthquake researcher Steve Horton] also reported Wednesday the detection of different kinds of tremors, known as a very long period events, which have been associated with gas or fluid movement through the collapse zone, parish officials said."

      Maybe a better question is: what do the long-tremors indicate? What's going to happen?

      Big wet gurgly explosion and raining crocodiles.


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Despite many reports now of these long period tremors being indicative of fluid and gas movement, certain individuals fail to understand that it is possible for fluid to be moving underground. Think about it, is it possible that there are a couple different things going on down there we don't understand yet? Can you really say that there is no way for fluid to migrate in this system? It seems to be doing so.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Long tremors..indicate to me..the motion of hydrocarbons.


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    • gottagetoffthegrid

      The long tremors are likely indicative of mass movement within the rockmass. Meaning that a new failure at the surface is imminent. They should be building a new berm. This hole could get to 200 acres, based on observations of cracks and ground deformation a half mile away.

      What a mess.


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  • Thad

    I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me.
    Theory WAG –
    Think long vertical chamber partitioned in the middle.. Bottom filled w/ pressured gas, top with brine. At last belch top chamber then gulp- chamber full brine weight greater than gas pressure. Brine draining down gas is being forced up. No noticeable surface volume change as it is an underground volume exchange. Soon -tomorrow? belch follow by gulp–cycle starts again– frequency should increase as each transfer cycle erodes and widens the partition opening…


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    • gottagetoffthegrid

      Keep in mind that this is a really big lake now. If the level dropped only half an inch after a burp/belch/eruption that would mean over 20,000 cubic feet of water disapeared into the abys.

      I Doubt that they can measure to half an inch given wind/ wave/etc.

      I think there is significant failures in the bedrock at about 1:1 from the base of the cavern, or along existing faults.

      What a mess


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  • SwimsWithGators

    Bedrock failure? Actually, the rock is sediment layers. Like layers of sponges with space between the sediments. Space that is/was filled with oil and gas. Now that water has been introduced via the sinkhole the oil and gas is escaping up through the water column.

    As oil and gas is replaced AND the salt dome is eroding, the sediment is moving and that is causing the seismic activity.

    You are correct, gottagetoffthegrid, that what is moving is the rocks, it just isn't bedrock.


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    • Thad

      SWG
      Close but not quite- sedimentary deposits – clays compressed and hardened into mudstone, siltstone and shale. Layered with sand consolidated into sandstone. The clay base sediments have very little porosity so almost no oil or gas, no permeability can not flow. Sandstone has much higher porosity with large amounts of oil, gas and formation water in the pore space. And the permeability- connection between pore space so readily flow.


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  • jec jec

    Humans have really messed up.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Please see last paragraph..about 'deep sands'..being upper slope marine sands… about them knowing little about those depths.
    (Several other things on my mind as well..but I have a small headache)

    Golden Gate Petroleum Limited-Napoleanville Farm-out Completed.

    http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20120113/pdf/423rd6pcrj913j.pdf


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    • Thad

      HotR
      Hope your headache gone
      The GGPL letter is "market release" a letter to investors. If data is lacking or unknown it has to be said— The petrogeology of the gulf region is well known- no surprises – just a matter of finding which model applies where.

      Stuck pipe not unusual especially when drlg sands-there are many causes–no big deal–
      Note they just simply sidetracked around–


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm posting this..because I hadn't heard about this..although not news.

    " The Board advises that at the Dugas & Leblanc #1 well the
    drill string became stuck in the hole whilst drilling through
    the secondary sands just below 7,700 ft."

    Napoleanville Drilling Update
    July 5 2010

    http://www.ggpl.com.au/documents/861822_000.pdf


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Porosity..is not as much of an issue… as the hydrocarbons finding clear access through the 'disturbed area'


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  • James Hollen

    Ok, I am a newby to this site although I have been reading the news for months now. I have a few questions. Are all of these saltdomes connected together? I can't see any solution to the Bayou Corne sinkhole-it's going to get bigger-much bigger ! The salt dome is being feed a steady supply of water, is that not so? How does that BP oil rig explosion tie in with this? I am sitting up here in North Carolina reading about this and do not see a good outcome of all this.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hello James Hollen..
    My contribution is a post from another thread.

    irhologram
    March 23, 2013 at 7:51 am ·
    What about the elephant flatulence in the room? Interesting discussion, SWG and 16P…but IMO both your theories about the mechanism for collapse ignore the elephant in the room of Assumption Parish and many surrounding parishes…methane/gas cocktail/oil brew that's bubbling, gurgling and gushing miles beyond the sinkhole…that is unarguably linked to causal forces preceding the appearance of sinkholes, like flatulance from the elephant we'd rather ignore. This wild mega-beast is UBIQUITOUS throughout the area…and logically… Please tell me logically: WHY is this sinkhole considered a singularity…why would the only expected appearance of other sinkholes be that this ONE sinkhole may collapse and knock the adjacent columns over like dominoes? Discussions of the "mechanism" for collapse some months back included a bugared well drilled in 2011 that was sealed…but then…Recent discussions say oil was NEVER drilled close enough to this area… In any case, drilling, except for relief wells, was put to bed as the cause. As you say 16P, SOMETHING changed the status quo. Maybe the Gulf coastal margin shell-fracture/fault/fissures expanded due to EQ swarms by the 1000s beginning last Spring/Summer… Were they "tectonics" from extinct volcanism in fitful sleep? Expanding earth sphalling fissures? A gassy BP elephant HERD? IMO, any theory that ignores PERVASIVE area-wide…


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  • irhologram

    And now! Published images of underground gas/oil movement! No? HotR, I'd like to know 1). the oil fingerprint analysis of the Bayou Corne sinkhole as compared to the Macondo site or the fractured area a few miles from it. Did that show up, but I missed it? 2). I'd like to SEE images of those underground gas movements Erin Brockovich said she saw. Aren't you curious as to the real area of migration they've obviously been capable of observing? Is there is way WE can see it? Or did I miss that?


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    • Thad

      irhologram
      This BP/MC252 delusion is getting tiresome. Remember the blow out was through a steel cased/ cement externally sealed well bore. No formations were exposed to the pressure gas and oil- from production via cased wellbore to vent above the seabed.
      So any 'path' to Bayou Corne would have had to exist before MC@%@ was drld,
      Fingerprint comparison– why? it is impossible to be MC252
      What is the distance between Bayou Corne and MC252?
      One is above the continental shelf the other off in the 'flat', One at 5,500'BMSL the other at 18,396'BMSL.
      How many east to west subductive faults lay between the two?
      There is no continuous permeable formation or path between the two area .
      What fractured area a few miles from it–?
      "I'd like to SEE images of those underground gas movements Erin Brockovich said she saw."–ME TOO!– would start with a quote from her regarding 'what she saw'
      If you were referring to the infrared pic/ vid those were taken by EPA several months back so are dated–all infrared can show is hot or cold– hot from the flares and cold from gas coming out of the aquifer at bubbles– all known locations


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      As you can see irhologram, I have been pounding the Macondo connection for months. Proof? Nope, just curious that it may explain many of the unprecedented gas "leaks" and seeming elevated occurrences of sinkholes around the edge of the craton lately. Is there proof that it isn't connected? Nope, just wild claims that it can not possibly be. I have posted links to papers discussing the fact that what they thought were isolated faults before are actually capable of allowing gas to migrate for long distances. What is migrating with it? Is it following eroded seams in the salt beds that connect the salt domes? Again, I do not know but I am suspicious that it is possible.

      I agree irhologram, let's see what they are only talking about. It wouldn't be hard to show the fingerprint analysis from Macondo and Bayou Corne and say, see, not connected. Why don't they just put that to rest if that is the case. As to the infrared and lawyers ability to find evidence, look what has been produced on here by regular folks. I would hope that Brockovich's researchers know a few tricks we don't.

      I do not claim to know all of the answers but I will keep asking questions until they are answered and not just a "i say so" answer.

      I do not think there is enough formation water to dissolve the whole dome. I never said that. There is enough to continue eroding the dome around the collapse zone and possibly enough to bring the aquifer into play eventually.


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      • 16Penny 16Penny

        I think they should consider what happens as they pull the hydrocarbons out of the formation though. The white paper I posted last night states that the ratio of water to hydrocarbon increases over a wells life, typically. So look at the cross sections. These formations are all upturned around the dome.

        Hydrocarbons float on top of water because they are lighter. The end of the sand/gravel seam is upturned where the Salt dome punched through the geology. The upper end should be where the hydrocarbons are trapped, next to the salt.

        If you drain out all of the hydrocarbons are you just pulling the formation water towards the salt dome?

        Also the formations are not completely isolated, otherwise why would formations that were produced before and closed gradually rebuild their reserves? If all of the gas and oil are pulled out will it encourage unsaturated formation water to migrate that direction?


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      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        "As to the infrared and lawyers ability to find evidence, look what has been produced on here by regular folks. I would hope that Brockovich's researchers know a few tricks we don't."

        That's a good point, but as I said, if it were obtainable, someone would have had it by now, and posted it. Heck, I think Erins team would have even said they saw it, rather than lead you to belive that's what they were saying. It was carefully chosen words.


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      • Thad

        16P
        Couple of link that may interest you- one shows the amount of faults between MC252 and the Napoleanville saltdome– note faults run generally west to east basically across any south to north path from NC252.
        The second show representation of the type faulting and formatione mismatch. The entire coastal sediment fill is slipping down slope movement is south not north–

        http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/10690/images/Executive_Summary_Active_Geological_Faults%20(dragged).jpg

        http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Louisiana+gulf+coast+faults&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=76F679129032A7876120A80347A995094130D9EE&selectedIndex=18


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      • 16Penny 16Penny

        In case anyone needs to update their outdated understanding of geology:

        http://arblast.osmre.gov/downloads/Mine%20Gases%20and%20Dust/FINAL-Methane.pdf

        4.2 Migration Pathways: Methane travels through the rock pores and fractures. The porosity and permeability of the transmitting medium significantly affect the migration. Methane, being lighter than air, tends to migrate vertically. However, pressure gradients cause methane to migrate to areas of lower pressure. These migrations may be in directions other than vertical. Fractures provide a significant migration pathway. They include natural breaks produced by jointing and stress relief. For example, fractures in the Appalachian Plateau have been created through stress-relief from the removal of overlying rock mass from erosion (Wyrick and Borchers, 1981), glacial rebound, tectonic action or orogenic (mountain building) action. The fractures are avenues for methane to move from one area or level to another through differing rock units.
        Faulting may also produce a conduit for gas to travel far from its source. As noted in Section 4.1"


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    "I'd like to SEE images of those underground gas movements Erin Brockovich said she saw"

    Actually, she neve said "she" saw. Her words were "What happened was all that gas was now dispersed and you can see on an infrared where it was dispersed to and this gas is around 250 psi underneath this residential area"

    ENENews link to erin B..

    http://enenews.com/brockovich-on-sinkhole-we-have-pretty-good-indication-that-its-a-dead-area-there-could-be-an-explosion-at-any-minute-gas-pressure-is-extremely-intense-video#comments

    Why was that important for me?

    Because my first thought was how in the hell does she get to see that and WE, the residents don't?

    At the point Erin B made that statement, that firm had not filed any suit yet, and they very clearly explained that until they file the suit, they have NO power to ask for or demand anything.

    Listen to this residents question at 59:40, and the attorneys response.

    http://youtu.be/cbj5Wqlj2AA

    Trust me, you would have some pissed off cajuns if any of us thought people from california are getting to see infrared images that we have not had access too.

    so, no published images that any of us are aware of.

    BTW….Erin also said "the EPA is absent". That is incorrect as well, as the EPA did the thermalimaging she speaks of.

    http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/Bayou.Corne.Draft.epa.pdf

    Just saying~


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    • br14902

      not just "people from california"…..these investigators can get info most cant. thats why they get paid big bucks

      And locals arent getting the info from infrared according to officials:

      http://enenews.com/feds-keeping-sinkhole-info-secret-state-rep-theyre-doing-infrared-monitoring-telling-about-wont-because-all-about-money-video

      Louisiana State Representative Joe Harrison: I’m gonna tell you something, the infrared satellite vision that they have, these things can tell you more than you ever imagined. I leaned a lot about that during the BP thing. At the base where they’re at, they can tell you more things and actual chemical compound makeups with their equipment than I ever imagined they could. And they’re doing that right now, it’s being monitored.

      Resident 1: They’re doing it through infrared?

      Harrison: Yes ma’am they’re just not giving us the information.


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      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        Thanks br14902……I am the one that recorded that meeting and am well aware of what Mr Harrison said. I said we are not getting to see it, not that we didn't know about it.

        I stand by my statement that Erin B didn't say she saw it herself, and would guess she is referring to a report. If the image was available at all, someone would have found it and posted it by now, no doubt.


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    • Thad

      rainbeaudais

      Where did she get the 250 psi underneath residential area. The only pressure source underneath residential area is in the aquifer. No where in the aquifer has that high of a pressure been measured or recorded. That would be the aquifer hydrostatic at 575 ft–

      Reality check–Before she was a crusading heroine now she is an agent for a law firm


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  • irhologram

    TY Rain for confirming no images have been released. What possible reason could there be to sit on these images…which are THE definitive CRUX of this puzzle problem…why would they be hidden from view? How long have they had them (I'd say from the gitgo…but obviously they already had images before the Brockovich visit, which was before the Friday announcement of fluid and gas movement beneath the sinkhole.) They can SEE this migration…they don't just have to deduce it through long period tremors. What about the oil "fingerprint" comparison of the sinkhole to BP's Macando? Did that ever show up?


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      irfo….I don't know why the images have not been released. Wish I did. Yes, Mr Harrison talked of them quite a few months ago. I also don't know about the fingerprints. Sorry….


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    • Thad

      irhologram
      They were not hidden from view– no one ask to see them until they were so outdated as to be meaningless- Today that data is even less meaningful- the gas in the aquifer has migrated much farther out.
      Infrared is surface temperature differential only. At the time taken the event was 'new' it was for a quick assessment of area involved.
      There is not a heat differential great enough subsurface to show on surface—
      Even surface contact ground penetrating radar is only good for 75-80 ft less with high water content.
      "Seeing" the subsurface migration of fluid is by watching seismic impulses- frequency, duration, magnitude, sound of movement from location to location.
      Again the MC252/ Bayou Corne oil fingerprint comparison won't happen–


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        "Seeing" the subsurface migration of fluid is by watching seismic impulses- frequency, duration, magnitude, sound of movement from location to location."
        Well said ..Thad..


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      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        Thad…

        "They were not hidden from view– no one ask to see them until they were so outdated as to be meaningless- Today that data is even less meaningful- the gas in the aquifer has migrated much farther out.
        Infrared is surface temperature differential only. At the time taken the event was 'new' it was for a quick assessment of area involved.
        There is not a heat differential great enough subsurface to show on surface—
        Even surface contact ground penetrating radar is only good for 75-80 ft less with high water content.
        "Seeing" the subsurface migration of fluid is by watching seismic impulses- frequency, duration, magnitude, sound of movement from location to location.
        Again the MC252/ Bayou Corne oil fingerprint comparison won't happen–"

        Good post,but why won't that fingerprint happen? Why not do it to settle it?


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  • irhologram

    We need a paternity test on the birth of the sinkhole. Thad, I understand the paradigm you must use to view this…all the reasons why this CAN'T be oil migration. Then…Kind Southern Gentleman that I know you are…and I mean that… Kind Sir…please tell me why there is an ELEPHANT IN THE PARISH!!!? Please tell me why they won't give us the infrared satellite images Harrelson SAYS they're not giving us. And please give me a component fingerprint comparison of the oil "leak" near the Macondo…as a match or MISmatch to the sinkhole. Maybe that already exists. Maybe I missed it. I am NOT talking theories here. As I have said many times before, I have no dog in this fight. I seek logic. I want facts. You know what would prove BP couldn't have created the birth of this sinkhole? Do a paternity test. Once that's done and once we've seen the fetal sonogram, I'll try to be less of a tiresome person to you. But until then, HERE COME THE ELEPHANTS! Lol Well, prove they're not, then. It's that simple. I want you to. But opinion is…well…opinion.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Elephants in the aquifer..as well.


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  • irhologram

    So Sen. Joe Harrelson was talking through his hat when he described having seen infrared satellite images of BP? Could be…how would I know? But the headline on that story could be true, as well, yes? Feds keeping sinkhole info secret — State Rep: They’re doing detailed monitoring right now and just not telling us about it — US Gov’t hasn’t taken over yet because it’s about revenue


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    • Thad

      "Sen. Joe Harrelson was talking through his hat when he described having seen infrared satellite images of BP?" If he was talking about see more than surface he was.
      "Could be…how would I know?" Try educating yourself look up infrared and thermal imaging.
      " — US Gov’t hasn’t taken over yet because it’s about revenue" that statement alone show the man was just jabbering–As a senator he should know BY LAW the federal government can't not become involved unless governor declares it a disaster and request federal assistance– or it is a matter of national security–


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      irho….

      Again, Senator Harrison did not say HE saw them. read exactly what he did say.

      "Harrison: Yes ma’am they’re just not giving US the information."

      US…..

      http://enenews.com/feds-keeping-sinkhole-info-secret-state-rep-theyre-doing-infrared-monitoring-telling-about-wont-because-all-about-money-video

      Louisiana State Representative Joe Harrison: I’m gonna tell you something, the infrared satellite vision that they have, these things can tell you more than you ever imagined. I leaned a lot about that during the BP thing. At the base where they’re at, they can tell you more things and actual chemical compound makeups with their equipment than I ever imagined they could. And they’re doing that right now, it’s being monitored.

      Resident 1: They’re doing it through infrared?

      Harrison: Yes ma’am they’re just not giving us the information.


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      • Thad

        rainbeaudais

        Weird – he talks infrared then about actual chemical compound makeups– totally different things. Then he rolls them all together

        Resident 1: They’re doing it through infrared?

        Harrison: Yes ma’am they’re just not giving us the information.

        Sounds like he repeating what some aid told him

        "At the base where they’re at, they can tell you more things–" the base would have been set up for the BP disaster and demobilized after and equipment returned to labs where it came from—


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          Thad, I don't get that he was rolling them together, adding on that they could 'also' do the chemical stuff. Maybe he is talking about a different base.

          I trust this guy and I truly believe he had a major role in others strting to listen, when he got involved. I do believe he was silenced, or an attempt to silence him, but it was either start taking action, or he would start spilling things.


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  • Thad

    irhologram
    LOL either you are playing the village idiot or you just want to argue. As you are accepting nothing presented do your own research present your proof-

    Or go play with your pregnant elephant


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      Thad, I think irhologram is just trying to understand it. Again, why not do the fingerprint?


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      • Thad

        rainbeaudais

        "Again, why not do the fingerprint?"
        Because it is not needed and is not possible.

        Think– if there was any possible connection TxBrn would have tested trying to find someone else to blame their disaster on. And would have been screaming from the roof tops the day the state handed they their first bill.


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          Why not possible?

          I'm not saying I believe there is a connection.I read your argument of why it's not,and that sounds reasonable, then i read someone elses of why it could be,and that sounds reasonable too.


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          • Thad

            Bo
            Pls post the one that says it is reasonable possible , I would like to see if they know something I don't

            But is it like the reasonable possible that caused Dupre to claim Bayou Corne migrating up an unconnected aquifer to Camp Minden.. she had a whole bunch of experts listed fir that article


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            • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

              LOL…no can do Thad. I'll admit i don't understand half of what y'all are talking about when I read the detailed posts, but y'all both sound like you know what you are talking about,so that's why I say just do a fingerprint.

              Too many people believe there IS a connection to ignore it.


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              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                Well..they know it ISN'T the Big Hum.
                This implies they know more than they are saying.
                Dec.18 2012

                http://enenews.com/state-experts-dont-oil-gas-coming-below-giant-sinkhole-really-really-need-understand-video


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              • 16Penny 16Penny

                Rainbeau, I have always qualified my statements to the effect of: There is a POTENTIAL that it is connected. I have been suspicious that it is connected. I have never claimed that it is or I believe it is connected. I have maintained that it needs to be investigated and ruled out. Prove otherwise and I will apologize. It is easy to do, find the quote and link to the post.


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                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  It is speculated that BP disturbed the natural seeps of an asphalt volcano in the Biloxi Dome.
                  I believe.. I heard 140 miles distance.
                  In geological distance..not far.
                  Unknown oil source..?
                  I agree with 'potential'…just as I believe there could be serious faulting issues.
                  I think it is important to understand some of this is projectile thought..as this is going to go on forever.


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                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    DOE to invest in six methane hydrate research projects
                    Oct 22 2001.
                    (super old link)

                    "The US Department of Energy plans to spend $ 30 mm on six methane hydrate research projects. ChevronTexaco and BP will receive most of the money to study production in the Gulf of Mexico deep water and Alaskan North Slope, respectively."

                    http://www.gasandoil.com/news/n_america/cb111be9ed24b33c8e0176da5521870b

                    Some speculate a methane hydrate project in the area was involved.


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                    • 16Penny 16Penny

                      Heart, Thanks for those related posts. I was not even aware of the DOE funded projects.

                      So, anytime you have an asphalt volcano in the same neighborhood (hot) as methane hydrate (destabilizes when heat is added or pressure reduced) you have the ingredients for unusual phenomenon to occur. Did the Macondo Mishap disturb conditions that had been in place for many years? Were copious amounts of methane gas liberated? These are very valid questions.


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    • ENENews

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      Further comments like this will result in moderation.

      Let's act like adults everyone, reported comments are getting crazy.


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  • irhologram

    Thad, decisiveness is not like you. Now that the bully is gone, meet the new bully? Lol. Lighten up. While these are life and death matters, anger is a distraction. You see I MEANT what I SAID. I DO wonder if Harrelson WAS privy to technology (that you and i aren't – is that such a reach?) that could tell the exact chemical composition, as he stated, of the BP component fingerprint by way of infrared using satellite. Don't you wonder if these infrared transmissions, which are frequencies themselves, are broadcasting a digital signal back that could be programmed into a video? A live video? You remember that HAARP allegedly (most likely) has the ability to use frequencies to map geo-deposits of all types and that Frequency has been used in oil exploration to map deposits and not only using low frequncy natual seismic activity? Rain, thank you for pointing out that both Brockovich and Harrelson only referred to what they understood to be true, how ever they got that knowledge. Oh, and, lucky for me, I don't claim to be an oilman. My area was "the media," news reporting, Investigative stuff… So, lucky for us, isn't it, Thad, that BOTH disciplines are useful here.


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  • irhologram

    Lol spell check. It should have read derisiveness is not like you. God knows you're decisive. Until you decide again. Like when the breach was only through the side of the cavern, but now the bottom is "out." But that's OK. That's what we're here for. To try to understand this, and then Deal with it.


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    • Thad

      irhologram
      If it will help you understand rather than 'pick nits' next time I will use the term "at the bottom of the outward side"
      Infrared is very specific frequency of the light spectrum shift the frequency out of that spectrum it is no longer infrared.
      And all this guessing- supposing is silly WHY- when they could lean over the side and stick their finger in it– or collect a sample and what was there to test–seawater- crude- Corexit or mixtures thereof–


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    You're a nice person irhologram. I like you…..:-) (hate that smiley though)


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  • irhologram

    I've enjoyed getting to know you, too, Rain. I've had a question on my mind. People here have presumed to know why you stay…variously for money or video fame (in martyrdom?)…some have said, to paraphrase, you're as dumb as a box of rocks not to save life and limb. Please don't just say its because your family is there. Why would your sister put you in peril, if she knew you stayed for her, yet she believed what authorities are saying: that this could blow up. Soon. I know these are personal questions I'm asking, but I'd really like to relate to what your family is going through in making this choice. At one time you said it was because the bayou is so beautiful and you're defending your future there. Now that you know a dangerous gas event is ON ITS WAY, what will you do? Whatever your choice, I'd sincerely like to know why. Is the siren song of the Bayou still so strong? Siren: Beautiful half-woman, half-birdlike creatures who sang such sweet songs that listeners forgot everything … Lured to their deaths.


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  • irhologram

    RE: Imaging.. Important because it would show where the gas/oil is moving from…how large a volume there is, where it is moving to, how fast it is moving, and whether the rate of movement is steady or increasing/decreasing in speed. It would show the mode of travel, whether through fault lines or sandstone, and it would show the depth it now is so we could know when and what to expect. Is all.


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  • irhologram

    Thad, you said it! It's as simple as scooping up a sample. Someone in Bayou Corne (or from ANYWHERE for that matter) should take their big, honking, ocean worthy boat out 140 miles to the oil "spill" about 10 miles from the Macondo and send an oil sheen sample to a lab, along with one from Bayou Corne. Someone tell me if that would be a true test. What would be required to get a representative sample from Horizon Rig's position and also from fissures that presented after the blowout? Or are those composition analysis already available from the BP site? Wouldn't it be useful for some independent party to tell us what "they" won't tell us? Does the fact that they said they would tell us and then they didn't tell us set off any alarms for anyone else? Let's say they have a good reason not to tell us, after all. Thad, you seem to like to read their minds and their motives. WHY would they say back in Aug/Sept that when the tests were back in a couple of months, the results would be released? Did they never plan to publish the results? Did the results show something they'd rather we not see? What is their good reason to reverse themselves? Or is there egg on my face and they actually posted these results somewhere I didn't see?


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    • Thad

      irhologram
      We were talking about the good senator's comments and someone started talking about possible infrared ability reading the BP disaster-I ask why when they could collect samples–
      As it is impossible for Bayou Corne and MC252 to be the same and I have given good reasons why. So it is useless to discuss with me-call me closed minded if you wish.
      To continue the discussion you need to find someone who thinks there is a connection. I can't help you—


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  • irhologram

    If they can use frequency to a depth of 500 feet to map EOR processes…does that mean they can directly map the sinkhole using CSAMT independent of seismic activity? The reults, then. would show depths beyond infrared mapping? Is it harmful or what is its downside?
    "Sandra is evaluating the use of the controlled source audio-frequency magnetotelluric (CSAMT) electromagnetic geophysical prospecting technique to map steamflood and fireflood EOR processes…. Results are presented of the CSAMT technique mapping of a steamflood, tar sand oil recovery experiment (depth, 500 ft) and of the mapping of a fireflood heavy oil recovery experiment (depth, 360 ft). In both experiments, contours of constant apparent resistivity for measurements taken several months apart show the movement and asymmetry of both processes. The CSAMT shows promise as a technique to map EOR processes." http://www.onepetro.org/mslib/servlet/onepetropreview?id=00010230


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Stupid yahoo writers don't know their ahole from a sinkhole in the ground. WTF? Donks!! Not a word about Bayou Corne.

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/whoknew-sinkholes-watch-hole-060000498.html


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    So did the stinkhole have it's BM yet, is work still suspended or or are we seeing some of the human activity on the helicorders again?


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