Published: August 13th, 2012 at 11:48 pm ET
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Title: Scott Portzline Interview (Security consultant to Three Mile Island Alert)
Source: Coast to Coast AM
Date: August 12, 2012
At ~23:30 in
Source: Scott Portzline
Portzline: I was part of a homegrown effort to ascertain the damage that was occurring with Paul Gunter… and Arnie Gundersen…
What I found was during an obscure part of the video… there was a few frames with what looked like molten fuel leaking out of a gap at the top of Reactor No. 1. And it was very similar to the footage I had obtained from Chernobyl when they had helicopters flying over to ascertain the damage.
At ~37:30 in
Portzline: I think that one of the cooling pipes at the top of the reactor fractured during the earthquake, and that is what explains the glowing red molten fuel dripping from it that I claim to have seen on the video.
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Published: August 13th, 2012 at 11:48 pm ET
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Yes, we had been wondering about that piece of the video..a sharp eyed enenews webcam blogger made similar comments. You go ENENEWS!
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Is Lucifer's toilet overflowing for the benefit of greed, power, control and depiction ? ?
Hummmm…
ZP
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…or “DECEPTION … FRAUDULENCE … CORRUPTION… DISHONESTY…
HuMMMM…
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They have to know what he knows, and it does not look like they are attending to that area. Maybe they just don't want to hear it from someone outside their group, or the information to be brought up to the world (just guessing).
Everything is under control don't worry, have some sea food.
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BTW..
Everything is under control don't worry, have some sea food. This was a sarc comment..Sorry, should have said it was. Please don't eat the sea food.
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In TEPCODE…
… "Everything is within limits."
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Hi Max1
Within limits to do what?
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Sorry, should explain…
… That phrase was TEPCODE for, "Quick, b.s. some more and play like everything is just fine, no melt down here." They played that game for three months. :batty eye:batty eye:
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I prefer the term TEPCIDE as in HOMOCIDE.
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@flatsville: homicide or homocide? You say tomato…
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ROTFLMAO…typo…thnx for catching that.
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I have fond memories of seafood, especially mesquite grilled.
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Hi TheBigPicture
Alaskan king crab legs, breaded deep fried shrimp, tuna, fake crab, california rolls, and even Long John Silvers that's what I miss.
I know how delicious mesquite grilled makes food tastes, it's fabulous.
I was lucky that I did make a trip to Seattle a long time ago, their claim chowder and any fresh fish they served was wonderful.
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opps I meant clam chowder…I won't claim that clam chowder now..lol
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When I looked at the video the first time – a year ago – I thought it could be the SFP going 'critical' and glowing through the damaged roof.
now I don't know if that position it's compatible with the one of the pool. maybe some of you can look at that with more experience.
(By the way, hello to everybody)
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This is the thread at ATS also identified the "hotspot" on March 30, 2011. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread672665/pg438#pid10951955. It was taken from a helicoper flyby video, http://youtu.be/y3Lg88ECaCE (.31 seconds in). At the time it was likely we were seeing molten corium. There is also a very large melt of some substance, from this post, http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread672665/pg435#pid10950814, that was emanating from the spent fuel pool.
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(part 1/3) reply to @Zombie; featuring details of my frustration with regard to the evidence above, by which i hope to affect it further).
i wonder of whom you speak? i have been obsessing on this particular bit of footage since it came out, around March 24 2011, & was posted to What Really Happened (h/t Mike Rivero).
posted it here:
http://tinyurl.com/itgotout
one can download stills from that short passage in the video, as well as view a half speed version
Time Magazine came out with their 'Is Fukushima A China Syndrome' . infuriated, i spent the weekend doing something about it. contacted everyone to whom i would think this would be important; emailed stills and links of Mr Gundersen,receiving no response.; tweeted replies to every reported blindly retweeting Time's mealy mouthed lies, no response; i think i posted to the Department of Nuclear Engineering (as comment); i know i engaged with a couple of zealous pro-nuke arguments. i felt elated every time someone downloaded the video or the stills, watched the original video, or the half-speed one (which were also posted on youtube). no one of any official capacity was admitting the extent of the damage, and The Evil Perjuring Corrupt Organization (TepCo) was continuing to conspicuously throw a huge amount of effort at not solving problems that they no longer had. problems such as cooling and containing, the contents of the pressure vessel. problems that only a functioning power plant has. (CONT –…
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Careful..careful..this a slippery slope.
This is also the guy that is saying that TMI may have been sabatoge.
What he is saying is evident.
If he says something truthful now..it will be easier to interject a lie later on.
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You're right to advise caution, Heart.
I was in the Portzline/Gundersen/Lochbaum/et al. email group, this video was the 'hot' subject from March 20, 2011. It was difficult to tell from the dizzy camera swing-arounds which unit this was, but it was clear there was melted/melting fuel in the pile. I suggested from its shape it might be a red-hot fuel assembly, there were probably more down in the pile below (lighter glow). Lochbaum quickly insisted it was a burning charcoal filter from the floor BELOW the SFP that somehow ended up on top of the SFP (but the SFP was fine, gosh darn it!). Which was total horsehockey. Portzline has no background to insist against someone like Lochbaum, so that subject faded over the next few days. It probably did alert Arnie to be careful of what limbs he shouldn't go out on, helping to explain a bit about his caution since.
Scott's wrong about sabotage causing TMI, but security is his area of expertise so that's of course where his thinking leads him. Arnie's wrong about a containment breach (from hydrogen explosion) at TMI too, but his engineering expertise leads his thinking too. Everyone will tend to analyze based on their areas of expertise, so that's not surprising – or even dishonest at all. I wouldn't look to Portzline for the Big Lie(s). Big Lies that aren't coming straight from TEPCO, et al. would most likely come from pre-placed bigwig erstwhile 'defectors' such as the one mentioned above.
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@Hi JoyB..
I've been thinking this over for a bit..
And I have trouble with this guys credentials..and positioning.
There are only three..Scott Portzline's in the US..
I'm almost certain this is the same guy.
Terms of sex cult leader's release anger community
Para:5
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/15/cult.leader.release/index.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com/msg14075.html
This conversation..refers to his ideas.
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Good Morning Norman. Please let me point out that Scott's email is nothing but unsupported assertions. For example, he says.."
http://health.phys.iit.edu/extended_archive/0111/msg00473.html
To date:I can not find his credentials..as nuclear security specialist.
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Well, the title "Nuclear Security Specialist" is pretty darned vague, and outside the developed procedures for military keepers of warheads, pretty much doesn't exist. Portzline, if I recall correctly, was a security guard at TMI2 when the accident happened. Might even have been a supervisor, but I don't know that.
First heard of him and his belief that TMI2 was sabotage years ago when I contacted the guy who has kept the records and data for TMIAlert – which carried that story. For security expertise, I'd think that someone who has conscientiously done that job probably qualifies as knowing more than the average Joe about the subject. Doesn't mean that's what happened, and our investigatory team encountered NO evidence at TMI2 that it did. We were in regular daily contact with both management and NRC inspectors/investigators on site.
Per your links, I'd expect a jet could put holes in a containment dome, no problem. And for child sex perverts, there's nothing that would prevent anyone of any specialty from getting involved in actively trying to protect the community or its children. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't think Portzline's suspicions of sabotage were dishonest. Just wrong.
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He is either a Phd man..
"Scott D. Portzline, who has a Ph.D. is nuclear physics, writes that:"
http://onlineessays.com/essays/tech/iss115.php
Or…a piano tuner..
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-19/us/terror.nrc_1_nuclear-safety-web-site-radioactive-materials?_s=PM:US
Which is it..?
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Hehe, Heart, he could be a footwear design director also.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Scott/Portzline
Seriously, I looked him up as the story was breaking, found him on a site full of tinfoil hat stuff and decided (perhaps unfairly) that he was not credible.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/portzline-scott/5852
However, even a blind pig finds a truffle now and then so maybe he's onto something. I'll wait for more evidence though.
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Okay …then..nuclear Phd..or shoemaker..or piano tuner.
Lol.
Over-interest in one's subject material ..perhaps.?
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Either way..TMI was not sabatoge ..but..human/mechanical error/failure.
If the notion of sabatoge flies..it would relieve the owners TMI of LIABILITY.
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..and damn it.. this is what they are looking for.
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YAYA..Like Nuck says "Gifts for free"
(Legal)…LOL.
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Actually, sabotage would make them WAY more responsible for harm done than mechanical or human error (they settled eventually on human error). Worse, their insurance policy wouldn't have paid, so they'd have to pay out of corporate assets.
No, sabotage is not something that would likely be admitted no matter how bad the result. Because if it did, there would be direct (and passable) legal challenges even well before before Price-Anderson kicked in.
Worst of all, we can be fairly sure the government (NRC and/or military) wouldn't step in either – no matter how bad the result, of any cause(s). If you remember TMI, the not-funny comedy of errors going on between the utility, its holding company, local and state government, and the feds [NRC] was a huge uncoordinated mess. The state, pressured by public and media to act on inconsistent and often contradictory statements from utility/NRC, ended up evacuating pregnant women and young children to a facility that utility/NRC KNEW to be smack dab in the middle of a plume touchdown zone. The utility/NRC jerk-offs let it happen, said nothing.
There's a reason NRC decided just about 6 weeks ago that emergency response exercises between local responders and government no longer have to be held. There won't be any emergency response. Might respond later if people raise a big enough stink, but by then of course it's always too late to diminish or remediate acute doses to the public.
Fukushima hasn't changed things.
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Hi again..JoyB..Thanks for this clarification..
I would assume that..sabatoge..would be argued as an unpreventable event.
But then there is Price-Anderson..
I'm posting it here as a refresher for both myself and the public.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_Act
Collusion in print.
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Terrorist attack would qualify as a "Who Could Have Foreseen?" event [hat tip to Condi Rice], we could expect a massive DHS/military response. Sabotage, on the other hand, is an "inside job."
There are enough contractors and sub-contractors to keep the court systems going for decades spreading money around, but the responsibility for that immediately rests on the utility and its holding company. And would invalidate commercial insurance coverage for the most part. There would be challenges to P-A kicking in too, though if there came a "dead zone" it probably would. At least to cover immediate costs, fight it out later in court.
In the end, they can always just get the judicial branch to dismiss lawsuits from individuals and groups of individuals harmed. That worked pretty well for TMI2.
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I love your analysis JoyB. If you haven't done so yet, you should be writing an account of TMI. You seem well versed on the issues and history…
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Ah, I've tried so many times… did write about the basic adventure and technical analysis of the sequence of events. Only took a year. Then got the Kemeny TATF reports from PSR in Boston so we could finish the reports. Submitted to the Congressional chair of the Joint Subcommittee for Energy and the Environment in mid-1981. We went to high school with him (Mike Synar – last honest man in Congress – RIP). Testified about those reports to Congress and NRC in 1985.
"Tales from the Heart of the Beast …a true story about Three Mile Island" Most notorious unpublished book of the 20th century. But that's a whole other story, which features a dead brother/critically injured husband, plus a dramatic escape past a nationwide APB in a circus wagon with spider monkeys perched on the side-view mirrors, and a hitch-hike adventure from Boston to Oklahoma…
It's still unpublished. When Fuku happened, we went back and re-did "Home Health Physics" as the most help we could be. Published and distributed the original immediately following TMI, while we were still working recovery. And had it translated into Japanese. Nobody bought any, but it's there – with a Library of Congress number – in case anyone ever wants to.
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not for nuttin JoyB, why not publish it yourself as an ebook? If you need help, I'd do my best to lend a hand. Just mull it over. I'm busy with a major project at the moment but I'm so impressed by your presentation out here, I'd be remiss in not helping where I can. Let me know what you think. You probably won't make any money but then money's for those who are waiting for a purpose in life. I'll check my public email box in the next few days: darkREMOVElite@hushREMOVEmail.com
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Oh – in case any reader doesn't know this already… one more alarm bell occurs when someone claims a credential but doesn't mention the source school. It may mean nothing but often it means this kind of thing:
http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/dm0.html
There's a lot of it about!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning
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Another self-proclaimed nuke expert. This one got caught:
http://kayara.blogspot.ca/2008/10/summary-of-debunking-of-crank.html
We are between a rock and a hard place. So many of the genuine experts seem to be in the industry's pocket and so many of the independents seem to be a bit, um, odd.
Sort and sift. We're getting rather good at it here.
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(part 2 of 3) a friend of mine saw a thermal aerial map that clearly showed a hot little furrow in the ground, starting from right where i had estimated the fuel shown above would have dripped, and leading, if my memory of his description serves, away from the building.
(we have searched hours in vain for that image — if anyone has even the vaguest idea where to find it, please reply here or email me. my address is in the footer of my blog)
in about a week, the fact that the containment had been breached became mentioned increasingly frequently in the news. articles refering to the ongoing mess as China Syndrome popped up. no one answered me directly, but i felt i had accomplished something.
i feel this now. i think the photo above is among those i corrected. i myself was more thoroughly convinced of what i was seeing once i could clearly make out the fuel was dripping from a what lookslike a *pipe,* all the more so after Arnie explained that the vessel has about 60 likely places for such a release, or "excursion" as it is called in the nuclear industry (excursion? vacation? will the corium be back after all, somehow, after much needed R&R?).
the control rod housings are cast into the containment from below. there must be 60 ways to breach containment. way quicker and easier than the burning-slowly-through-the-concrete scenario which is usually assumed by official analyses.
(CONT, this was 2 of 3. thank you for your patience; i am composing in real…
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… time. *ahem*
So. Asahi filed a claim against me, in the same sweep that shut down tokyobrowntabby, & threatened MsMilkytheClown. (if this happens to you, *please* visit EFF: https://www.eff.org/issues/intellectual-property/guide-to-youtube-removals .)
The Ex-skf webabmin, faced with the same situation, stood his ground, & won. as i understand both cases, TepCo owns the video, but Asahi was filing a claim. How does that work? and how is it that a news broadcast is copyrightable? After 3/11, don't the people of the Earth have a right to *all* information connected to Fukushima? isn't that a reasonable definition of fair use?
the video is actually still viewable on my site. Ian Goddard has a version on his channel, but there the corium is not visible at all (i think the fault there is with youtube's image stabilization technology.) more importantly, i uploaded the half-speed version not to youtube but to blogger; perhaps this is why *it is still there,* unlike the youtube 'removed by the user' from which one comes away suspecting collusion.
i wonder if this Coast-to-Coast was a consequence, direct or indirect, of my actions; i wonder if that photo is indeed my work, as it appears. i would certainly not mind the credit, although given the circumstances, we all know that we do what we need to do to fight what needs fighting.
if you wish to answer in private, correspondence iis welcome:
female [DOT] faust [AT] gmail [DOT] com
[pt 3/3, may be…
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oh and now i go read the comments — i think i was #7 when i started
*smile*
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for a host of reasons, your account is important. I'd also agree that much information (concerning FUKUSHIMA and other issues) is being held-back from the public. Of course, it's important that copyright be honored. And yes, you're right about the censorship going on within youtube. They've recently started pulling videos that violate copyright. I have to suspect that much of this is being done to appease corporate interests.
In any event, I'd advised reworking these posts into one contiguous series (without the breaks from others) repost it on the general discussion forum. Good luck in your fight and give 'em lots of what-for…
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I always pay attention to what ff has to say. S/he does excellent work!
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thank you JoyB.
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Leaking is such a mild word..I prefer..spewing…
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This claim does not make sense at all. What cooling pipe on top of the reactor? There is none. How does molten-heavy fuel seep upwards? How does it get through a drywell head, a steam dryer, a steam separator, a RPV head, and several feet of concrete? How does it rise over 30 feet straight upward?
Just not possible. And if it did happen the site would have much higher dose rates. I agree that there is a good chance that the top of unit 3 may have popped up some with some vapors,gasses and small particles going airborne, but that is a long way from molten fuel escaping.
Coast to Coast radio may not be the best source for accuracy. This guy does not even know about the configuration of the reactor or about physics in general.
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Anything of interest?
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Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday radiation exceeded 10 sieverts at two locations near a duct connected to a ventilation stack between two reactor units at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant.
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TEPCO said melted fuel in the No. 1 reactor might have collected inside the duct after leaking from the containment vessel during venting early in the crisis.
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http://enenews.com/alert-tepco-reveals-ultra-high-radiation-levels-be-melted-fuel-leaked-containment-vessel-photo
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Or this…
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Worker B, a technician in his late 30s who was also on site at the time of the earthquake, recalls: “…. the pipes buckling, and within minutes I saw pipes bursting. Some fell off the wall"
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/the-explosive-truth-behind-fukushimas-meltdown-2338819.html
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Yes, you are right, it is very difficult to move a heavy mass like that for sure. But consider the explosion lead to unclear dinamics of the molten fuel. A part of it, not all of it, the most liquid (i.e. easy to move) part of it maybe had been displaced somehow.
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I agree, suggested from the first viewing of the video (freezing to the frame above) that it was approximately the size and elongated shape of a fuel assembly. Which was glowing red-hot in the process of melting. with evidence of more red-hot stuff in the pile below. Could never make out the 'pipe' it was supposedly leaking from, and wouldn't have bought that anyway for the reasons you list – the fuel in the reactor was well below the level of this atop-the-pool flyover glimpse. It would as corium have escaped the vessel from below to the dry-well or through the torus duct as happened at #2.
Then again, I didn't buy Lochbaum's nay-saying either. He insisted it must be a charcoal filter from the floor BELOW the SFP. First, do BWRs even have those banks of refrigerator-sized charcoal filters you find at PWRs? Second, how does such a piece of equipment get transplanted atop the SFP from the floor below, if the SFP is still in place and holding water?
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Given the scale of destruction and the quality of the video/photo it is nearly impossible to tell where that leaking pipe (if it is a pipe) might be located.
Has anyone tried to pinpoint the location of the "leak" using a set of blueprints for the correct reactor building.
FWIW, I read a discussion on exskf that indicated there was some variation in the dimensions and component layouts of some of the reactor buildings.
Are we even certain it is reactor #1 in the video?
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If I were a site manager of any kind of large plant, I would have hi-res areal photos of my site taken from different angles and altitudes at various construction benchmarks and before it went under roof and the walls were closed up. The advantage would be for comparison purposes post-disaster.
Do they exist for Fukushima?
We'll likely never know.
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There may be ventilation ducts with high dose rate hot particles, and there most likely are some vents with these materials. All the hot piping, primary coolant lines, are located in the drywell. And the drywell is mostly intact or the whole pressure vessel would have collapsed. And we would really know that quickly if that happened.
The 10 sievert dose rate could easily be hot particles, and if it is near a vent stack that really makes lots of sense. They were venting the reactor after there was fuel damage, so a quantity of the fuel was already compromised when they vented. That is why they got the dose rates and contamination throughout the country so quickly.
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I would not put inordinate stock in any TEPCO reports of dose rates at, around, or over any of the buildings. Or at the plant gate. Or in the water in the trenches. Or anywhere downwind. Or…
ESPECIALLY early on. §;o)
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A quote from JoyB..from above.."In the end, they can always just get the judicial branch to dismiss lawsuits from individuals and groups of individuals harmed. That worked pretty well for TMI2."
Report: Corporate dollars fuel rulings against injured, discriminated against
A fresh article on the subject.
http://www.wafb.com/story/19275607/corporate-dollars-fuel-rulings-against-injured-discriminated
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Federal court. U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania. I always thought her name well apropos the job she did…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_H._Rambo
These people aren't in it for the money. They're in it for the power.
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