PHOTO: Broken roof bolts directly above WIPP nuclear waste were reported the day before radiation event — Cracks seen in nearby wall — “Heaving of bottom” may have taken place below broken bolts (VIDEO)

Published: April 24th, 2014 at 8:59 pm ET
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Carlsbad Current-Argus, Apr. 24, 2014: Investigators found that two roof bolts were broken near the center of the ceiling directly above the transuranic waste stored in Panel 7 of the nuclear waste disposal site [...] The investigation team also found that two broken and loose roof bolts had fallen on top of waste in the room, as well as cracks in the rib of the salt mine wall. Despite the evidence signaling a potential problem with the ceiling, investigators “did not see any debris on the floor,” nor evidence of any roof collapse according to Tammy Reynolds, the deputy recovery manager [...]

KRQE, Apr. 24, 2014: This is a photo of the actual leak area from February just before the contamination escaped. There was loose roof bolt spotted so one theory is a falling bolt may have punctured a container, or perhaps something else caused a container to burst.

Radiological Release Event at WIPP, Department of Energy, Apr. 2014: The Board presumes either the penetration of a waste container or multiple containers by a roof bolt, or partial collapse of the back (roof) and/or ribs (walls) caused the breach and release of contamination. […] February 10 and 12, two broken roof bolts were found near the mid-pillar of Panel 7 by [Nuclear Waste Partnership]. This condition was reported to the Mine Maintenance Engineer. On February 13, members of the Board investigating the salt truck fire were in the [underground] and observed these same roof bolts and reported protruding roof bolts from the back in Panel 7. Figure 6 shows cracks in the rib behind mesh and with rock bolts [and] where possible heaving of the bottom has taken place under the second stack [...]

Dr. David Snow PhD, Engineering Science University of California-Berkeley, 2002: Unsafe Radwaste Disposal at WIPP: [...] The 13-ft. high by 33-ft. wide rooms will be short-lived. Large open fractures appear in the ceilings of all rooms within months of mining. Several roof-falls and floor heaves have already occurred, so an extensive array of roof bolts has been installed to delay the failure [...] These, and all future rooms will suffer collapse of major roof slabs bounded above by weak clay-bed partings. Such falls will crush the drums, and liberated waste [...]

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112 comments to PHOTO: Broken roof bolts directly above WIPP nuclear waste were reported the day before radiation event — Cracks seen in nearby wall — “Heaving of bottom” may have taken place below broken bolts (VIDEO)

  • Conca (James) the former director of the DOE funded "independent" monitoring agency stated several week ago, that "we might need some bigger bolts", in other words, they knew all along.

    There were reports of bolt failures, and they ignored the evidence, because it would be inconvenient to move the waste. Instead, the former Muslim president of the JV (yes I said it) who ramped up the deliveries from 1 or 2 per week to 30 per week, decided to keep slamming in the high level wastes. And it blew up in their faces.

    Here is the proof of the "We are just going to need a bigger bolt" with a parady on the "We are gonna need a bigger boat". governments and contractors covering up the evidence for their own benefit while putting the citizens at risk. Same old story. Just with the Radiation Industry, the results are the destruction of the human genome and all we hold dear. Prefer a Great White any day, than these Pimps of Radiation that promote themselves as clean and green.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/03/wipp-nuclear-disaster-in-2014-in-new.html


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    • rogerthat

      ''bigger bolts'', and in case it all goes pear-shaped, bigger bolt-holes


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    • Just getting from bad to worse, to worser, to worsest

      WIPP Radioactive Plutonium/Americium Plume Release Covered Up For Six Days, Researchers Denied Access; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/03/wipp-radioactive-plutoniumamericium.html


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      • Yep, standard playbook…cover up, hide, turn off the sensors, and hope you don't have to fess us…..

        And if it gets that far, lie, compare to a dental Xray as the Farok-o-shima former president did actually say on video. He compared the plutonium releases at WIPP to a dental Xray…..sheesh

        We deserve better….we at least deserve better lies.


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        • Angela_R

          "He compared the plutonium release at WIPP to a dental Xray"

          Perhaps when using a geiger counter with no alpha detection!

          ~~~
          http://www.geigercounter.com/Definitions.htm#Alpha

          I am also very puzzled how it could be said that Alpha particles do not penetrate more than an inch of air or a sheet of paper.
          Why was depleted uranium spiked with plutonium?
          Doesn't propulsion deliver 'the payload' in an explosion?


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          • Southbound Southbound

            Alpha particles are like bullets flying through space-time. When they hit matter, like air or paper, they run into mass, and since they are very positively charged, they are attracted to that mass and tend to stop. Because they are much heavier than beta or gamma, they do much more damage, but only to their immediate surroundings. That is why alpha particles are the worst to ingest. Beta particles are also like bullets, but much smaller, and can travel farther without hitting things. Gamma rays are more like photons. They behave like mass and like waves of energy.

            This is an extremely simplified explanation, and there is a lot more to it, but these are the basics.


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            • Angela_R

              Thanks, southbound but I cannot understand that if this is correct why, at times, plutonium has been detected, miles from the original source.


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              • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

                Plutonium is matter, just like carbon or oxygen. Each can be seen as an individual piece (atom). If you have enough atoms of anything, you can see it with the naked eye. Remember that Plutonium (and the other man-made radio-nuclides) are matter (atoms) just like anything else…but each element has different properties.

                Plutonium has one property (among others), that when it decays, it emits what is called, alpha radiation.

                The whole point is, Plutonium atoms can travel around the globe, millions of times if they want, because the atom is very lightweight.

                Think of a feather. How far would a feather travel when allowed to move freely? Think Forest Gump.

                A small chunk of, say, a million Plutonium atoms weighs millions of times less than a feather. If it is on the ground, the slightest breath of air could send it on a new journey.

                A Plutonium atom is very light compared to a feather, and it is very heavy compared to other atoms on the periodic table. For all purposes that matter to humans, any piece of anything that can't be seen with the naked eye is very lightweight.

                Knowing this…Oxygen gives life, and Plutonium takes it away.


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                • Angela_R

                  Hi MoonlightEmpire,
                  Unfortunately the link in my post @ 5.46am did not work. Here is an extract from a description under Alpha:
                  "These particles are also very dense which, with their strong positive charge, precludes them from
                  penetrating more than an inch of air or a sheet of paper…."
                  there is more, see
                  http://www.geigercounters.com/Definitions.htm
                  Beta and Gamma radiation.
                  Under that reasoning a sheet of paper or an inch of air would of course stop a feather, unless, imo, propulsion was taken into account.


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                  • Angela_R

                    sorry, the description of Alpha is also found there as well as Beta and Gamma.


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                  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

                    What I was trying to say was that the Plutonium atom can travel great distances, all the while emitting alpha radiation in all directions. The alpha radiation is "absorbed" after a very short distance from the Plutonium atom that emits it.

                    If you are in Tokyo, you are not being effected by the alpha radiation emitted from a Plutonium atom on the shoe of a shopkeeper in Okinawa…but put that shopkeeper on a train and that Plutonium atom can be on your dinner plate by tuesday.


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                  • Southbound Southbound

                    Think of plutonium as a flashlight. The flashlight is emitting light, just like plutonium emits alpha particles. Now picture yourself holding the flashlight and you aim it at a brick house with no windows. Anyone in the house can't see the light. The light doesn't penetrate the wall, just like alpha particles can't penetrate paper, or very much air. But if you open the door, and bring the flashlight inside, then you can irradiate the inside of the house. Once the plutonium is in your lung tissue it is only a matter of time before that soft tissue becomes cancerous.


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                    • Angela_R

                      I seem to be failing to convey my concerns,
                      this is the description of Alpha in the link:

                      "A weak form of ionizing radiation detectable on some models of Geiger counters, typically those that incorporate a thin mica "window" at one end of the Geiger-Mueller tube. Alpha radiation consists of positively charged particles emitted from the nucleus of an atom in the process of decay. These particles are also very dense which, with their strong positive charge, precludes them from penetrating more than an inch of air or a sheet of paper. Because of this, Alpha particles are not a serious health hazzard, except when they are emitted from within the body as a result of ingestion, for instance, when their high energy poses an extreme hazard to sensitive living tissue"

                      Could a layperson interpret that to mean that if they were a few feet away from an explosion, they would be unaffected by plutonium; or alternately, when in close proximity, a piece of paper might act as a shield?

                      Personally I don't believe that as it descends, plutonium dust engages with other particles; when it settles it may.

                      Sorry, but I found the above description of concerns re alpha particles, failed to adequately convey their dangers.


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                    • razzz razzz

                      Angela_R: This is what the nuclear apologist like to hide behind: External dose vs internal dose. Using Sieverts as a measuring stick also confuses that issue.

                      Recognizing internal doses of radiation kicks the scale for getting sick way up there. Apparently you can walk by radiation and not be affected…as long as you don't breathe or have open wounds.


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          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            The fuel at reactor 3 at Fukushima Daiichi and also at some US NPP is from MOX. MOX is very finely ground. The reason the nuclear industry denies that there have nuclear explosions is because they know that MOX from such an explosion will send the plutonium miles high where it is going to travel a very great distance. Also such explosions show just high dangerous it is to use MOX fuel. Without using plutonium from nuclear weapons, there is very little "cheap" nuclear fuel left for reactors in the world. Thorium reactors also need certain isotopes of plutonium or uranium (even though there are no successful commercial theorium reactors).


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  • Archie

    "The 13-ft. high by 33-ft. wide rooms will be short-lived. Large open fractures appear in the ceilings of all rooms within months of mining. Several roof-falls and floor heaves have already occurred, so an extensive array of roof bolts has been installed to delay the failure [...] These, and all future rooms will suffer collapse of major roof slabs bounded above by weak clay-bed partings. Such falls will crush the drums, and liberated waste."

    I always thought the 10,000 year estimate for the life of WIPP was bogus but even they must have known that was total bull$hit. There can be no other explanation.


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    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Bid $1 BIL on a .gov cost contract but spend only $300 MIL, and you can put a fortune in the bank at the expense of putting only a million or so civilians in danger of lifelong cancer and ill health from uncontained, unfiltered radiation contamination.

      The ongoing series of nuclear plant and storage facility shortcomings and failures has helped me to wrap my head around the deadly gap that keeps reappearing between the intent of the design and the reality of the design shortcomings.


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    • rogerthat

      until they find a foolproof way of containing it for all time, all nuclear waste is, by default, on its way to liberation.


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  • Sickputer

    Dr. Snow dishes the dirt on WIPP. I guess he won't get invited to any WIPP margarita parties.

    The truth hurts, but the WiPP bigshots knew the likely failure scenarios long before this first major incident.


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    • jec jec

      That is why they formed a "Limited Liability Company" or LLC..UBS got out of the cost of damages due to this WIPP mess. And guess what, they did the same at Hanford Wa.In fact, look at all the nuclear facilities..all contracts are won by LLCs. So the US Government/taxpayers/public get stuck..and the people get ill and exposed with NO RECOURSE! US government slush funds to cover this mess–there are not enough dollars in them yet for any disasters-moneys are spent by companies 'studing' clean up, but not performing.


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    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      SP: You said that WIPP bigshots knew about the failure scenarios long before the accident, and you are correct. I would just like to make it more clear for those who may not have noticed, that the statement by Dr. Snow was made back in…2002!

      They certainly knew, even before that time, but this is a confirmed instance of awareness of the problems and the consequences as far back as at least 2002.

      He said back in 2002: "Several roof-falls and floor heaves have already occurred…"

      And then "…These, and ALL FUTURE ROOMS will suffer collapse of major roof slabs bounded above by weak clay-bed partings. Such falls will crush the drums, and liberated waste…"

      Also, everyone must remember, that by their own admission, this "repository" was INTENDED to collapse on the waste stored within. One guy said it was SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN in 15,000 years, and one of the guys above is now saying it was SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN in 10,000 years.

      In fact, it was collapsing before 2002, so much so that measures were taken only to delay more of the same so they could stuff as much waste in there before the whole thing fell apart, preventing them from getting more waste in.

      Looks to me like the mad rush to get huge amounts of high level waste into the facility was because they knew a collapse was imminent and wanted the revenue.

      WIPP: The NEW Saint Valentine's Day Massacre.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Popping bolts is an indication of geological shift. Well, that and too small a gauge of bolt to slap in there as a quick fix.

    A breaking bolt under that sort of pressure would attain a very high velocity if it snapped clean, which they usually do under that kind of load. Think of a 50 mm cannon round. That would pop a few barrels.

    The mine is obviously unstable and therefore unfit for storage. Shut it down permanently after relocating everything. That is the solution, the only solution.

    Now the question begs, was it fracking that did it, like in Louisiana?


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    • jec jec

      And just ONE or two containers caused that amount of radiation above ground? Just what stored there? It was not low level waste! Clothes did not cause the PU and AM exposure to the workers and the environment and near by people living in the plume area!!

      I guess DOE sent containers with very high level dangerous waste to WIPP. There was an amendment which allowed DOE and the WIPP contractor to 'certify' what was safe high level radioactive material to store. No one else was involved in the approval process! And they certified containers which were safe as long as the containers were intact. With said containers needing venting on a one or two month schedule, with a shelf life of 5 years if the Yucca Mountain containers were any example–this is a disaster happening in front of our eyes…


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Oh yeah this baby will last 10k years fer sure. frack baby frack!

    Right. Clean Energy. Check.


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  • snap, pop, crackle… how do you like your WIPP'ed radioactive elements for breakfast?

    Over easy, well done or medium rare?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Floor heavings..with pressurized brine below.?
    Scary…


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  • a "bargain" just turned to fecal contract corruption, as intended.


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    What I am missing is why anyone thought that a flat clear span ceiling this wide was a good idea when an arched ceiling would have a much better safety margin.

    I am guessing that some cement guy had some influence in that flat/planar cement forms would be much easier to implement than an arch.

    One or more engineers out there are likely sweating bullets on this one because some one (or more) signed off on the calculations for the roof stresses. Or some one built it to look like the drawings but did not build the roofs as designed, even though they "look" correct.


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    • There is no concrete, bro…its salt above, with chicken wire and some bolts. I am not joking.


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    • We Not They Finally

      fireguyjeff, you're too smart to really think that "a better safety margin" would have cut it. So catastrophe might have been postponed to 2015 or 2016, instead of the touted 250,000 A.D.?? (And I'm sure you agree.)


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      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        WNTF:
        I was simply comparing (in my mind) two different design approaches to cement ceiling options.

        Yet even with just salt, an arched roof is the better way to go.

        Which is sort of like slowing down the drunk driver before he hits you.
        It buys just a little bit more time.
        But you still get dead or maimed for life anyway.

        It just never occurred to me that the ceiling in the photo was raw salt.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      actually, fireguyjeff, the salt was always intended to slowly squeeze in. One can see the older areas have a pronounced sagging of the ceiling. Computer models show a nice plastic deformation. (Maxwells creep model) Realities of uneven pressures, embrittlement and whatever cause the salt, even though nearly the strength of concrete (close to 4000 psi in compression) to chip, crack and cave. Temperatures are expected to be quite high…I think I recall 400 to 700 deg F. as the salt closes in around some levels of nuke waste, but dont quote me on that. The working life of the installation was not very long, maybe 35 years, precisely due to the closure. Imagine, huge caverns filled with barrels of radioactive material, getting squeezed at some 3000 psi, red hot. Crazy by any standard. Salt dome storage is madness and a criminal pollution of salt, later the water table


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      • PhilipUpNorth

        CodeShutdown:
        What comes to mind is an underground atomic bomb test, but without the test. I guess they put it 1mile below the surface for a reason.

        They fully intend to open it back up and continue loading their barrels of crap.

        "We understand the importance of these findings and the community's sense of urgency for WIPP to become operational in the future," said Joe Franco, the Carlsbad Field Office Manager in a written statement. "We are fully committed to pursuing this objective." Carlsbad Current-Argus article for this thread. Chilling statement, almost as if he can't bring himself to understand what has happened in Panel7.


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  • Don't use more than 3 inches of it though, cause there is no money in the budget for mo.

    We are saving up for a new Army surplus geiger counter, made in the 50's..


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    • 52Rockwell

      Dr. Goodheart… We are saving up for a new Army surplus geiger counter, made in the 50's..

      I got mine today . a cdv700 6a
      A. New circuit boards ,calibrated, ready to go. I hope you find a good one . I paid 195… It is warranted.If you want to know where I got it ask me .


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  • We Not They Finally

    Dr. David Snow said this in 2002[??!!!]: "Unsafe Radwaste Disposal at WIPP: [...] The 13-ft. high by 33-ft. wide rooms will be short-lived. Large open fractures appear in the ceilings of all rooms within months of mining. Several roof-falls and floor heaves have already occurred, so an extensive array of roof bolts has been installed to delay the failure [...] These, and all future rooms will suffer collapse of major roof slabs bounded above by weak clay-bed partings. Such falls will crush the drums, and liberate waste."

    So apparently NO ONE listened then, and now "the party's over." The whole thing was obviously a flimsy monstrosity that never should have happened in the first place.


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    • Yep, try to stash the waste and then make more.

      Stop making this SHITE!


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    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      All the people involved with this place need to be help criminally responsible for every single decision made about the place…anyone who signature is on any official document at all in getting that place opened needs to be behind BARS IN JAIL FOREVER!!~~


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Sticking the RH TRU in the walls of the panels ..I'm not sure is a great idea..The waste itself is producing a certain amount of heat ..and has to have some effect on the salt around the borehole.
      Creep leading to cleavage fracture.

      I remember..distinctly ..screaming…the first time I took a look at the ceiling.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Check out Panel 1..
        "Mine maintenance and stabilization, (see the section on Panel 1 below) has created numerous connections to these interbeds above and below the repository. In describing the effects the stabilization system has had on the repository salt, the Environmental Evaluation Group (EEG), the State's former watchdog group, stated that "…the interbeds above the roof have been allowed to be fractured; at least 286 connections have been made between the room and the fractured anhydrite "b" layer through roofbolts; and, the floor of the rooms is thoroughly fractured and connected with the underlying heavily fractured Marker Bed 139 through periodic milling of the floors". (EEG-71: Mine Stability Evaluation of Panel 1 During Waste Emplacement Operations at WIPP) (Anhydrite layer b is between the repository and MB138 and is only 7 feet above the waste room ceilings.) In addition, the original panel closure designs allowed the salt to be excavated up to anhydrite layer b and down to Marker Bed 139 to give the closures more stability. This creates a direct connection to these 2 potential pathways."

        The WIPP facility.

        http://www.cardnm.org/repository_a.html


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          " 286 connections "
          Every damn bolt is an opportunity for fracture..


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            A little more from link..subsidence fracturing.

            "There is usually a thin layer of clay between a marker bed and the salt above and below it. There can be openings in this clay layer so that the salt is not actually tightly attached to the clay or anhydrite layers. When support disappears from underneath the salt and an overlying marker bed, the salt first sags and then breaks away at the clay seam. This causes support to disappear from the marker bed and salt layers above and the process is repeated over and over again.

            An example of this is the Esterhazy salt mine in Germany where subsidence over a panel which was about the size of the WIPP repository caused fractures that went through 100 feet of rock salt and clay seams, crossed 18 feet of mudstone and breached an impermeable layer to reach the aquifer. Water from this aquifer eroded the fractures into solution channels and flowed into the mine. Sometimes water would run along a clay seam until it could force its way through the clay and carve through the salt into the mine. The speed of this erosion was spectacular and could excavate an area 4 feet by 100 feet by 1000 feet in weeks. Although the brines which entered the Esterhazy mine were saturated, the increase in temperature in the mine and the velocity of the bine flow allowed this water to dissolve the salt very rapidly."


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            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              PS..Same link..

              "Even salt creep could act as this pushing force; as the mine closes in on itself, air, gases and fluids containing contamination will be squeezed out of the repository and into the interbeds and fractures that will exist above and around the repository."

              (Or out the salt handling shaft..etc?)

              If the HEPA filters only kick on with a high radiation reading..
              Where is the filtering for the venting?

              If the HEPa filters only kick on with a hi


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Could have been an earthquake caused by fracking. Then alos the chemicals and depleted uranium used in fracking could have seeped into the waste repository. In modern society, everything is so specialized and there is no communication. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.


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  • Max1 Max1

    BIG LIE…

    "WIPP managers say they’ve taken action to correct the safety problems."

    And how does one go about doing that when one is prevented from going underground for any extended time to assess and repair the entire facility? Or is like TEPCO saying that they've taken action to correct their safety problems?


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  • Max1 Max1

    One would think…

    Since this is a "Pilot Project" one would think they would do their damndest to get every regulation to a "T" and not cut corners in vein efforts to prove how "safe" nuclear is…

    … One would think.


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  • Nuclear Radiation is not a very safe form of energy no matter what anyone says! This is just one of many examples currently going on that shows you how safe it is, or isn't. Many are leaking poisonous radiation particles into our oceans and cities. It's a shame, there is cleaner energy available. The best thing you can do is protect yourself and family from radiation poisoning and exposure, filter your water, don't eat seafood from the Pacific Ocean! Check out the guide to Radiation Safety for more tips: http://thehealingfrequency.com/radiation-safety-guide-protection-from-radiation-hazards/


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    • jec jec

      And the waste we have no idea what to do with, keeps building up. Perfect for contractors..as long as there is money to pay them. What happens in an emergency, country wide power outages due to solar flare or major earthquake disrupting power grids? How will people keep the nuclear plants running to keep fuel and fuel storage safe? OR what if there is a pandamic illness and there are not enough workers to staff the nuclear facilities? There is both bird flu and Ebola out on the loose around the globe. Sometimes the thought processes of governments are mindless. World wide Fukushimas could and will happen unless this insanity is stopped.


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    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      Correction: The best thing anyone can do to safeguard themselves and their loved ones from radiation is to devote their lives to abolish the creation of man-made nuclear waste, worldwide.

      Only after nuclear is abolished can any reasonable steps be taken to safeguard yourselves from what has already escaped.

      As far as the universe is concerned, individuals don't matter…it is the DNA that they hold–and are the expressions of–that matters. With this in mind, it does not matter if any individuals today take radiological precautions and reproduce (no matter how many children you have), because if the DNA of your descendents is destroyed by man-made toxins of ANY sort, then you too, have failed…cosmically.

      This is because the DNA that is/was you, ceases to exist…forever.

      This is simply unacceptable.

      Abolish Nuclear NOW.

      P.S. To all those who think they will be buying a ticket to Mars: It is only a psychological tool to keep all "people of authority" believing that they will be saved, and thus they will continue to run the machines of death.


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  • itsanuclearwar

    May be that this was designed to fail and is going as planned. By the time the sheeple find out the damage will have been done. Expect more "accidents" in the near future. There are so many perfect storms available to choose from. For the psychopaths calling the shots it must be like a kid in a candy store.


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  • jimbob jimbob

    One thing that nobody has touched in is what happened to the 30 containers a week that were in transit when the leak happened and the plant was shut down.

    There may of been several semi trailers full of highly radioactive material on their way to WIPP when the incident occurred.

    Others may have been loaded as scheduled and sent on their merry way before the scale of the incident was known, I would guess there would be at least 30 and possibly as high as 90 containers that would have been loaded before trucking operations could be shut down.

    Are they sitting there above ground, were they sent back to the site of origin or were they diverted to another site, if so where?

    I don't think anything has been mentioned about this.


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  • 52Rockwell

    Jimbob,
    I seem to to recall that they were moved to Texas.
    Here I think Andrews Texas
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_Control_Specialists


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    • Sol Man

      Read the last paragraph "Criticism" of the article- tells how politicians helped to foul the Ogallala Aquifer, apparently. The whole world gets to suffer for what some corrupt money has paid for.
      Money in politics is all corrupt. Contracts to benefit some specific corporations' owners.


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  • 52Rockwell

    Yes it is stated here in this article.The crazy bastards are burying it in trenches ….
    http://www.texasvox.org/texas-under-threat-of-high-level-radioactive-waste-storage/


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  • 52Rockwell

    They are storing the Wipp stuff in Metal storage buildings . Not buring it (wink ,Wink, slips ya the ol Masonic handshake)


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  • jimbob jimbob

    Thanks for the info regarding waste in transit , I had just thought about it last night and hadn't tried to research it.

    My god that is insane, but what else can you expect from these people.


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  • 52Rockwell

    Ohhhh WCS real winners.
    quote from the Wikipedia article . I just cant resist. Have to share.
    Critics also cite WCS' safety record after losing a 22-ton shipment of radioactive material in 2001 for almost a month.[10] The company was fined in 2004 & 2005 for a string of incidents including an employee improperly releasing radioactive material by flushing it down a toilet. The company agreed to pay $161,000 in fines.[11]


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  • melting mermaid melting mermaid

    I'm sorry, but it looks like they're stacked so tight they can't check them. Are you serious? How far back are they stacked? Are they insane or just stupid? This is how our nuclear waste is stored? If this doesn't make people want to stop producing nuclear waste, I don't what will. Thats just crazy and terrifying. Psychopaths. I don't understand the utter lack of regard for our general welfare. Are they not part of this world? Has greed and materialism blinded us so completely?


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  • Nick

    Salt formation waste compactor.

    I can't quite wrap my head around the idea that the engineers designed this site to do just that, supposedly keeping decaying atomic material and the slew of toxic solutions isolated from the biosphere for 1,000s of years.

    I thought that many of the containers need to be vented about once a month as the atoms inside decay into other atomic configurations.

    How do you vent a crushed stack?

    Doesn't plutonium have an inherent instability even in it's solid form (holes in lattice created by radioactive processes)?

    Isn't plutonium turning into uranium a problem worldwide? I know it has a long half-life but, it is changing in real time, hence the need for monitoring of any plutonium pile anywhere.

    It is a problem in an atom bomb, hence the idiots recycle the shit, creating more insane jobs for fools.


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  • Nick

    T'was a bolt from the blue that popped the drum that started to spew.

    WIPP is a perfect, 100% example of our entire military industrial complex.

    Tax dollars are wasted to waste people.

    All weapons are inherently costly and generate economic good for but a few.

    When we realize how our government has military bases up the wazoo, everywhere, you begin to wonder just what the hell we are doing.

    Our entire atomic bomb cycle is insane, immoral and obsolete.

    No one, anywhere, any when, knows what to do with the waste.

    We fool ourselves to think we can tame the atom.

    Look at our defense budget.

    If the toxic legacy of the quadrillions of dollars we have spent means forever ruining our planet, what
    is the point?

    Time for a change.

    Wage Peace.


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    • Sol Man

      I now think that that is the exact purpose for the whole agenda with its various programs that target any living entity with destruction, and we have to ask ourselves where does this kind of thinking come from? The answer must be self-hate projected unto life's web. It is the saddest, most corrupt way of thinking and of viewing the covenant from any supreme entity with humankind.

      People have give up their personal sovereignty in order to be the guaranteed recipient of some corporations cash flow, apparently desiring the relationship with their corporations more than their own children.

      These are the saddest days for humanity.


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  • Nick

    Sol Man,

    Kinda sucks doesn't it?

    But the reality is atoms that are unstable, decay.

    Sure, we always have had some bits of radiation zapping us since day one, but humans have
    vastly increased the dose levels for the past several decades.

    The neat thing is, our medical profession also loves nuclear, dyes to trace, x-rays to zap, etc.

    When you look around, you realize just how far down the atomic rabbit hole we have gone.

    I ain't no expert, but I do know that we can not expect solutions anytime soon.

    All we can do is love for today, cherish the past, and forget the future.

    Time for a social media fire to be kindled, warning us all about the evils we have unleashed.


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  • PhilipUpNorth

    This should be an international law, with teeth:

    "No radioactive element shall be mined, refined, or used in any industrial or military process or function."

    If it has a halflife, leave it alone.

    A smart state government could work on the language a bit, and pass this as a state law.

    No nukes! :)

    Let's just review where we stand right now:

    Yucca Mountain Site: Rock is too geologically unstable for nuclear waste disposal site.
    Check!

    WIPP Site: Salt is too geologically unstable for nuclear waste disposal site.
    Check!

    (Probably shouldn't have made this nuclear stuff in the first place, don't you think?)

    DOD/DOE: What else ya got? ;)


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  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

    Those stacks looks pretty crooked too!
    Maybe one of them just tipped over & burst?


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    • GQR2

      The constant fracking allowed close to the Dump ups the chances of tipp overs,as well as structural collapse.

      People have reached the end of the line with ignoring common sense and doing as they please health,safety be damned. The whole facility sounds like it is in massive denial. Lets hope some workers exert their first amendment rights.


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  • Nick

    WIPPee: Hey Joe, what do we have stored in Panel #7 again?

    Joe: Oh, didn't I tell you? We just got a shipment from Hanford and LANL stashed in there. How ya like my fork lift stacking technique?

    WIPPee: Did you see that drum marked "Remote Handle Only"?

    Joe: Umm. Which one was that?

    WIPPee: It had a special tag, you had to have seen it.

    Joe: The tag? Oh yeah. I thought it might get hooked on some equipment so I took the tag off.

    WIPPee: You what? Joe, that drum was so hot that no one should be within 100' of it.

    Joe: Oh? Any chance my recent fatigue and diarrhea are related?

    WIPPee: YOU are contaminated. Get Lost.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Something about these WIPP pics bugs me. They show us a low level waste room, they rigged with sag bolts. What about the HIGH level stuff. Too hot to photo?? This is NOT an image the real cause of their deal in any case. Another note those bolts will bring even more roof material down with them when they fail during fracking operations near by. I'll bet the floors will begin to buckle also, soon as the humidity gets nasty from all the cracks in the clay mineral salt.
    Dragons breath can now already be seen in many colors in the sky, this 'accident' will add to her Technicolor yawn. FEAR her full awakening!


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  • YukonRadiation YukonRadiation

    I said it on another post , the bolts would have let go? after reading down a bunch of comments , use bigger bolts ? it does not work that way. basicly you drill a hole in the roof add a tube of glue , push the rod up and tighten the bolt which mix's the tube of glue causing it to expand and hold it's self in place? this is common but in most cases when you see of small cracks and collapses you would use spray crete . a type of sprayed on concrete that would also be bolted and a mesh wire to hold it all together . but this is salt? and it is all going to erode very fast down there and they new this, they also new it was collapsing and THEY STILL USED THIS AS STORAGE FOR NUCLEAR WASTE? this tells use that they were in a spot and the shit was starting to pile up so quick lets just stuff it in here! this will be a nonstop problem in a salt mine that it will just keep collapsing ! look out all other mines in that area?


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  • mt1000

    Too thoughtless or lazy to put some beer carton cardboard over the top of the decaying drums to protect them from falling bolts, salt chunks etc.
    A little cardboard could stop a puncture… but just a delaying tactic with these conditions.


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  • Cooter cooterboy

    In regards to panel 7 at WIPP there was concern back in 1999 about the geological conditions and the shifting of the salt formation.

    http://www.wmsym.org/archives/1999/58/58-4.pdf


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  • 52Rockwell

    Nick
    April 25, 2014 at 10:50 am · Reply

    WIPPee: Hey Joe, what do we have stored in Panel #7 again?

    Joe: Oh, didn't I tell you? We just got a shipment from Hanford and LANL stashed in there. How ya like my fork lift stacking technique?

    WIPPee: Did you see that drum marked "Remote Handle Only"?

    Joe: Umm. Which one was that?

    WIPPee: It had a special tag, you had to have seen it.

    Joe: The tag? Oh yeah. I thought it might get hooked on some equipment so I took the tag off.

    WIPPee: You what? Joe, that drum was so hot that no one should be within 100' of it.

    Joe: Oh? Any chance my recent fatigue and diarrhea are related?

    WIPPee: YOU are contaminated. Get Lost.
    Dont woory Joe,,
    Hey Illmeet you and your ol jady down at the steakhouse tonight k


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  • 52Rockwell

    Special on the Chicken fried. I like that gravy.. Hey man. You spitting up blood. Danm Jimbob Im sorry ,, didnt mean to dis respect ya. So we all meet up down there tonight right Joebob?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Sooo ..didn't Tammy say they went down and didn't see anything unusual?
    Sure ..she did.


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