‘Pitiful’: Fukushima plume hitting West Coast and Alaska ‘any day now’ — No gov’t agency is monitoring ocean, “public has right to know” — We have to watch seafood and food web over the future (VIDEO)

Published: January 15th, 2014 at 12:56 pm ET
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Cape Cod Online, Jan. 1, 2013: The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has launched a new citizen website to pay the cost of testing Pacific Ocean water for levels of radioactivity. The idea is to help the public keep a close eye on a plume of water containing radionuclides […] WHOI senior scientist Ken Buesseler said during a teleconference Tuesday. The [Fukushima Daiichi] power plant was badly damaged in the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami and has been leaking radioactive water into the ocean ever since. Water containing radioactive cesium-134 should be hitting the U.S. West Coast including Alaska any day now, but it’s hard to know for sure since no U.S. government agency is responsible for monitoring radioactivity in the ocean, Buesseler said. He believes the radiation will be too diluted after traveling 5,000 miles across the Pacific to have an impact on American fishing and recreational activities. But Buesseler said the American public has the right to know what the radiation levels actually are.

Boston Globe, Jan. 14, 2014: Ever since the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant three years ago, public fears about nuclear fallout have been high, both in Japan and increasingly in the United States. […] Buesseler is quick to point out that the levels of radiation exposure predicted by a number of models is well below the federal regulations for acceptable radiation exposure in drinking water. The expected radiation exposure in waters off the West Coast range from 1 to 30 Becquerels per liter—far below the federal drinking water limit of 7,500* Becquerels per liter. He does not expect to find unsafe levels of radiation […] He is specifically interested in parts of the northern United States and Alaska, because the radioactive isotopes are projected to arrive there first. […] He is hesitant to use the word “safe,” but said that when people learn the levels of radiation are similar to exposures people willingly expose themselves to—such as taking a transcontinental flight, living at high altitude, or getting a dental X-ray—they may be less susceptible to alarmist hype.

*Perhaps you noticed the Boston Globe was unable to correctly state the proper units for drinking water limits. They used a number 1,000 times higher than the actual limit, which is ~7.5 Bq/liter, not 7,500 Bq/liter as claimed.

Buesseler: “Without data, it’s easy to speculate and alarm people […] I’m concerned about radioactivity being dangerous, but I want to know what those levels are, and my concern scales with those numbers. […] I think we owe it to the public to make those measurements and I think it’s a pity our government hasn’t taken this on directly.

WHOI video, Jan. 13, 2014: On the ocean itself we can travel, we can swim we can take ships, we just have to keep monitoring and studying the food web and the uptake of the isotopes in the seafood. Consuming too much of a contaminated fish is not a good thing, so we do have to watch that over the future.

See also: [intlink id=”multiple-marine-scientists-fukushima-plume-west-coast” type=”post”]Multiple marine scientists say Fukushima plume is at West Coast[/intlink]

Watch the WHOI video here

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162 comments to ‘Pitiful’: Fukushima plume hitting West Coast and Alaska ‘any day now’ — No gov’t agency is monitoring ocean, “public has right to know” — We have to watch seafood and food web over the future (VIDEO)

  • Sickputer

    Kenny B. is really good at radiation figures and interpreting them in such an outstanding fair and unbiased approach.

    And if you'll buy that I have some oceanfront property in west Texas. On a clear day you can see the sea.

    • socref

      I am under the impression that whatever someone does for a living, they do it better than what they do not do for a living.

    • bo bo

      'The expected radiation exposure in waters off the West Coast range from 1 to 30 Becquerels per liter—far below the federal drinking water limit of 7,500* Becquerels per liter. He does not expect to find unsafe levels of radiation.'

      A reminder again to those new to how the government deceives the public:
      EPA raised the level of radiation deemed safe for drinking water by 27000 times this past May 2013. So everything is safe again. Yay.

      • socref

        Maybe it was ridiculously low to begin with. Raising limits may be a sign that risk levels were too low to be a practical concern.

      • socref

        Back in 1958, they wrote "Reliable data from which to draw sound conclusions are crucially lacking in many areas of the long-term fallout problem. The present knowledge strongly suggests that the current and projected levels of Sr-90 in milk should not cause us concern when compared to radiation received from natural sources; but further studies are necessary to be certain if this is true."

        This was regarding fallout from atomic testing.

        Interesting

        http://www.journalofdairyscience.org/article/S0022-0302(58)91149-4/abstract

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          56 years later there is tons of scientific data on radioactive fallout and the biological consequences. Your mission, socref, is really lose-lose. We need to have you star on "The Biggest [nuclear] Loser."

          • socref

            "My experience includes seven years as a Radiation Protection Physicist at the RPS and NRPB. I have no
            concerns regarding the safe management of radiation in the UK, having done it for a job for seven years as
            well as seven years in medical imaging at EMI and GE. Further I am now aware of the science on low level
            radiation hazards, which is not what the now obsolete regulations assumed decades ago. We are naturally
            radioactive and live on a radioactive planet, eat radioactive bananas and nuts and absorb more radiation
            voluntarily for medical purpose than any other single source. The clear result of the research since the LNT
            hypothesis was suggested before low level data was tested and used to set “safe” levels without any
            corroborating evidence IS that there is a clear threshold at a high level relative to current limits, probably a
            hormetic dose level below which we get more cancer. It’s to do with the effectiveness of the immune system
            to deal with the 10,000 mutant cells we naturally produce per day. No one will die from radiation related
            illness at Fukushima, where primary containment worked as designed and Iodine was issued to the population
            as necessary as a largely preventative measure. Only 50 short term and less that 10 longer term related deaths
            resulted from the uncontained core dispersal with no Iodine treatment for the population at Chernobyl.
            Thousands are still not dieing as the extremists claim 30 years on."

            Parlimentary report on Climate…

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              All of your background stated throughout this site is quite impressive. Very impressive. So I wonder if such an important person would not have something better to do than be on this site all day and night? Odd. If I were you, I'd have something better to do.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Really?
              http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+DU+deformities&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=SRDTUpvTKMjCoATr2IGwBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ

              #1 Please tell me how you plan to heal these people seen in these pictures?
              #2 Please tell me if, coal ash, forest smoke, cigarettes, gasoline, or…Radiation Contamination in the form of depleted uranium caused these cancers and deformities?

              Same questions for these too! OK!
              http://www.google.com/search?q=Chernobyl+deformities&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=kBHTUtq7Co_1oASYj4DYDA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ

              Lastly are these people below complaining about coal ash, gasoline, cigarettes, oil or Radiation Contamination? Answer the same questions please, thanks!
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483484/Toxic-nuclear-waste-dumped-illegally-Mafia-blamed-surge-cancers-southern-Italy.html

              By the way socref, you are wrong

              The biggest mistake you Nuke Puke boys and girls did besides polluting the entire planet beyond repair was to use the same radiation contamination in a visual war room scenario that exposed the complete truth about the negative cancer causing effects of the exact same Nuclear waste created by the Nuclear Power Industry worldwide.

              Thus you played your hand and you have unknowingly shown/exposed the entire world to the truth!

              We should/need to shut you (all Nuclear Operations) down immediately worldwide via International Law!

              WE do not want to play with you…

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              socref, so nice of you to give a link to your quotation of Brian Catt:

              Energy and Climate Change CommitteeWritten evidence submitted by Brian Catt (NUC 32)
              “…ADDENDUM A
              THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM—RADIOACTIVITY
              http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmenergy/117/117vw02.htm

            • Go Flying

              Only 50 short term deaths at Chernobyl and only 100 long term deaths? Source please.

              • bwoodfield bwoodfield

                Does that include all the "liquidators" that climbed on top of reactor and physically picked up pieces of fuel rods that were scattered on the ground around the site. How about the people that were evacuated to Kiev and later died of "health complications" and "unrelated cancers". That's where the 'gotchya' comes into play. Because they moved everyone from Pripyat to other areas and the military personal went home to other parts of the then Soviet Union, when these people all died from cancer or other odd medical conditions they have never been included in the numbers because they didn't die around the Chernobyl site. The short term deaths are the people that were working at the plant when it exploded, the personal in the helicopter that crashed when flying over the site and some other immediate deaths that occurred during the process. The long term deaths are the people that refused to leave the Ukraine and Belarus area.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Go Flying: socref won't answer you or provide sources since he's a "drive-by" troll. So, allow me to answer:
                "based on the data given below, 53,000 and 27,000 are reasonable estimates of the number of excess cancers and cancer deaths that will be attributable to the accident, excluding thyroid cancers. (The 95% confidence levels are 27,000 to 108,000 cancers and 12,000 to 57,000 deaths.) In addition, as of 2005, some 6,000 thyroid cancers and 15 thyroid cancer deaths have been attributed to Chernobyl. That number will grow with time."

                "Much lower numbers of cancers and deaths are often cited, but these are misleading because they only apply to those populations with the highest radiation exposures, and don’t take into account the larger numbers of people who were exposed to less radiation."

                http://allthingsnuclear.org/how-many-cancers-did-chernobyl-really-cause-updated/

            • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

              socref…"uncontained core dispersal"

              So…you FINALLY admit to Uranium getting out.

              Good boy. You ARE learning from us.

            • Holygeezer

              Hey there socref, You are a poster boy for The Peter Principle, whereby one rises to their level of incompetence. That is assuming of course you are not lying about your background, which most everyone knows that is all you are capable of for whatever reason. Incompetence at best, serial liar at worst. Nice work socref.

            • Arizonan Arizonan

              Sure. It may be Hansard, but containment did NOT work.
              Please read, everybody. There is serious data in here about Chernobyl, atmospheric weapons testing fallout figures, and predictable health effects models for low level radiation based on hard data, not the ICRP's wishful guessing games:
              http://www.euradcom.org/2011/ecrr2010.pdf

            • nedlifromvermont

              @socref says "iodine was issued to the population" ….

              No! It wan't! You lying sack of shit scumbag nuclear pinhead!

              There. Now I feel better.

              Still throwing out the red towel to mark the lying referee.

              This is a good analogy for Big Nuke. A lying referee.

              Who wants to play a game where the referee is dishonest??

              Oh yeah. GE and JP Morgan Chase.

              It's what we do.

              It's what's for dinner …. radio-nuclides … because we Big Nukers are lying sack-o'-shit scumbags.

              That would be a nuclear-power-technical-term, for people promoting this death-industry.

              peace …

        • GOM GOM

          socfef: Tell the Downwinders that…

        • Arizonan Arizonan

          Please read, everybody. There is serious data in here about Chernobyl, atmospheric weapons testing fallout figures, and predictable health effects models for low level radiation based on hard data, not the ICRP's wishful guessing games:
          http://www.euradcom.org/2011/ecrr2010.pdf

  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    Oh…they are monitoring it all right. But you will never hear about that. It's part of the "disaster capitalism" deal that drives our fascist system.

  • Stupidbutnotbumb

    It's up to us and us alone to care for our love ones. The government and media for reasons only known as treason are working against us. Those of us that know the true nature of this most speak now or forever hold our peace. We must all leave the northern hemisphere for it is to risky for our future generations… A nation of sick people we of the USA will soon become.

    • socref

      Now see, this is the type of fear mongering I am speaking out against. There is NO reason we should all pack up and leave. We are not dropsila fruit flies. We are human beings. Top of the food chain, the most robust animal on the planet.

      • Bones Bones

        Socref, I'll buy you a plane ticket straight to Tokyo and personally drive you to Fukushima Dai-ichi. I'll drop you off and let you live off the land in a large fenced in area so you can't cheat. Then a live video feed can monitor your health. You are so sure of nuclear technology; Why don't you go live next to the plant or go help out? It's not dangerous after all. Up to you. Let me know if you want a plane ticket. Could also just ship you food straight from the water and land around Fukushima Dai-ichi. Works the same. Let me know when you personally put your BELIEFS AND YOUR OWN HEALTH to the test about just how safe radionuclides are. You think Japan is just a-ok! So go! Do you have the balls to stand up for what you believe? Go there and live there and eat the food and seafood. Then AND ONLY THEN will you have any credibility. I have an idea you wouldn't do that you coward.

      • Stupidbutnotbumb

        It's not fear. It's true that the effects of radiation to the most complex organism on the planet will be so unnoticeable for now but be totally evident in the future.

      • harengus_acidophilus

        Same hubris everyday

        "Top of the food chain, the most robust animal"
        Top of the foodchain are bacterias, some of them
        are successful in killing humans.

        "the most robust animal"
        – no fur
        – no fangs
        – no claws
        and sometimes
        – no brain

        h.

    • SadieDog

      @Stupidbutnotdumb – Yes, my government and most "media" have become an enemy to my happiness and survival. We are on our own. Yes I said enemy.

  • OldFool

    I believe I saw an official UN scientific graph showing how much bio-accumulation of C-137 there would be over a year's time, if a human only ate food and water with 1 becquerel per kilogram of Cs-137. It reached a surprisingly high level. Can anyone find that graph?

  • Thanksforplaying

    Is Woods Hole gov. funded? Can we trust whatever monitoring they would do and release?

    It would be nice, before we all go, that people can realise why we've all gone, and the scale of the cover-up and obscene deception our species has perpetrated on itself.
    Perhaps in whatever future-species DNA exists in years ahead will remain an epigenetic instinct to root out and kill the 1-10% of us with psychopathic/ reptillian brain-dominant tendencies. They have thus far defined humanity as barbaric, greedy, warring and easily duped.

    It is of course the mark of the psychopath, or socrefiopath, to never learn by it's mistakes, and eventually be undone by destroying itself, but this time with it's entire species – and every other.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      You can't trust Woods Hole for the truth in this matter.

    • socref

      what does it matter if it is gov funded? You pay tax dollars. Consider it your money well spent.

      • Bones Bones

        You really are an idiot if you think the government is truthful in anything. You know nothing of history especially the history of nuclear power. I bet you would love being flown up from Guademala in cages and set in cages in varying distances from a nuclear bomb explosion. I bet you would love that since nuclear is so safe and our government never lies. That you believe that right there is proof you are working for someone or just a program.

    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      I just emailed woods hole and requested to be a sampler for my area of the north shore of Massachusetts today . I found the article in today's boston globe . I figured what an it hurt I do not have to depend on just them , I am feeling that other testing labs may see this as a money making venture in the near future and it would be interesting to watch this play out .
      I am sure that woods hole gets federal funding . If that is contingent on testing values being accurate we just don't know unless other labs address this as well will be competing .
      I will also be watching for the government to start regulating others or licenses them making it more difficult to get out the truth . We shall see .

  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    When it hit's, so will the proverbial S#!& on the fan. The government will quickly step in and try to make up some BS story, then increase the "safe" limits again. They're just trying to stave off the collapse of the West Coast economy as long as they can. Once the fishery is mandatory testing, it will be only a matter of time before someone tests the produce being grown in proximity of the ocean and gets a high reading. That will effect MASSIVE amounts of industry on the west coast, from growers that supply much of North America to wine producers. You're going to see massive shutdown of farms and HUGE increases in the cost of fresh produce.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      Ouch…Fresh Produce.

      I have had SUCH a hard time trying to get over the organic stuff that I have seen coming in, that is just twisted and puckered and scabbed and rotten and dry. All that has been flushed down the toilet, never again to grace our tables.

      So we'll just grow our own…uhhh…food poison…using tainted air and tainted water and tainted soil…no escape.

      Hell…food always leads to death anyway (trying to look at the BIG picture here).

      • many moons

        my garden hasn't done well since 2011. The few fruits and vegetables don't mature, they cling to the vine in an immature state. Even the huge fig trees haven't produced.

        • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

          Yes many moons,

          I have a mini-farm here in Corvallis. I'm hoping my dear chickens will survive. I have seen the radiation effect every single vegie and fruit I have, with this past season it FINALLY hitting the persimmons, which have been resistant to mutation up to now.

          Pears: Had some bright red ones come in last year that were right out my back window. Lots were twisted. That was a cruel reminder to me every day looking at them. I should have picked them off.

          Apples: They were very sensitive…twisted and got all sorts of freeky ones the first year. They are not doing well.

          Asian pears: Went ballistic last year in production…counted 42 growing on the first 6" of a branch. We'll see this year.

          Tomatoes: The ultimate radiation detectors. The ones that have the "nose" on them are priceless…literally you can't even GIVE them away.

          Strawberries: Also very very good at radiation detection. You usually get a few wierd ones in the best of times…but holy mole' you can't hardly find one that isn't strange anymore.

      • bwoodfield bwoodfield

        I'm already bypassing any produce that is marked as grown in the US and especially grown in California. At least I know the BC growing area is a fair way inland with mountains between. Even still come this summer I'll be looking for local grown (I live in Manitoba) or produce out of the southern hemisphere. Pre-2011 we used to order limited edition wine kits to make that usually included grapes from the pacific regions. We're savoring the last of the bottles that we have because it's the last we will ever get. I also have pacific salmon in my freezer from last year that I will probably pull out this summer for a bbq and weep that it will be the last we will ever have.

        • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

          bwoodfield…if you think about it, at some point it will ALL be compromised.

          We will have no choice.

          When they shut down all the smaller growers because of it, someone will still have to grow it.

          You can bet your bottom dollar that the big corporate farms will be looking after profits and we will be compromised by it's fascist connection to the government, that we both are supporting with our tax dollars.

          Anyway…Good luck to you and your family in your food hunt!

          • bwoodfield bwoodfield

            Oh I know, between wind and hydro cycles the contamination will eventually spread across all of the world. For now we can try to mitigate the poisoning. Beyond sealing ourselves in a massive underground bunker and devising a water filtration that can remove all the radioisotopes, we will all be exposed to it eventually.

  • weeman

    The editor of the Boston globe is responsible for what is printed in the paper and he is at the helm, how did he let a mistake like that get by him? Pull his licence, he is not competent enough to run such a paper, mistake or not or Freudian slip, your guess.

    I asked yesterday what is the level of radiation that would be detrimental to life and curupt DNA, no pro nuclear or anti nuclear stance could answer, we are bombarded everyday, always have, so we must have some protection as with bananas or course that is a natural element, on the other hand it is obvious that radiation kills at a certain level, what is the threshold.
    We need a benchmark that we all agree to or the majority.
    Sorry to harp on about this, maybe I don't get it, that is why I am here to learn, now help me please.

  • Daisy207

    Bq/L is just an indicator of a source material stupid – go back and take some basic high school science. What is the source material? – one particle of plutonium could emit below the limit but I sure as hell don't want to consume it – where I know a little radon that we have been exposed to since we evolved into a species is part of our genome, probably isn't going to hurt me. Who is testing the water for the metal components and tritium? Who is testing the soil where a lot of our food is grown on the West Coast (minimum of 20 samples per acre within the 0-2 foot level of top soil). And please Woods Hole – shove your begging for money up your Hole – your all on government salary and your equipment has all been bought and paid for already with tax dollars- all you have to do is fffin use it.

    • socref

      WHat a rude reply. You dont have to resort to name calling. Bq/L is a measure of the "activity". If you only realize what the level of activity is in natural foods you might be more receptive to being civil.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays said it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies."

        Most on this board will not be effected by repetitive lies; however, newcomers could be more susceptible as they have not absorbed the depth of information, and they could find it easier to slip back into a false sense that nuclearism is not evil to it's core. (which it is)

        Most posters on this site are seeking information to protect themselves and their families from an industry with a very poor track record of safety, and a history of destruction and long term poisoning of the planet and life forms. Accordingly, most posters here do not seek out pro-nuclear sites to interact with posters etc…

        Therefore, one must ask why would a pro-nuker come here and then use emotional language, direct attacks, and victim speak?

        Critical thinking is important in every situation, so if you are new to this site weigh all the comments carefully to discern the poster's motivation.

      • Bones Bones

        It's WHAT radionuclide and WHAT concentration of that radionuclide that determines the danger from ingestion. Daisy is 100% right. Sure, bq/kg is an indicator of radiation, BUT WHAT RADIONUCLIDE IS IT? Those clicks just get you to a source, THEN you determine the source through a scintillation counter, which come in multiple forms and devices and compositions of the scintillator. Socref, I will never be civil with a liar like you. It's clear you are here to disrupt the conversation and bound the debate so you think you control it and can steer it into a benign direction like a magic trick. You(s) don't. Again, go drink some Fukushima Dai-Ichi waste water. It's been "cleaned" right? All that nuke tech you say is so advanced and powerful and safe, so go drink some of that water. Maybe then, and I mean after only drinking that water for a year, you will have some credibility on the safety of nuclear and you being the self-proclaimed holder of all knowledge. What a messiah complex! Almost like you lie all the time to live in a fantasy world or try to create a fantasy world for others to believe in.

    • califnative califnative (NY)

      S is a s*** disturber, somewhere in all these forums people are asking the Admin to ban/remove this idiot. I thought we were all going to ignore him? He certainly has gotten under my skin 🙁

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Cali…the hardcore constituents of this site will be fine, it is the newcomers that need to be aware. Be happy that we are annoying a pro-nuker. 🙂

      • SadieDog

        @ Cali – some of us are successfully ignoring and moving on… It works.

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        califnative: ah don't let that happen. Mr. T says, "pity the fool".

        • califnative califnative (NY)

          I emailed the Admin and asked what does it take to remove this POS, we are hitting the report comment button but he's still here. Would really like to know how to find a solution, seeing a lot more of them showing up here unfortunately.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            califnative: Contacting the admin here is kinda like asking the gov't for help. We're on our own. I call him 'little katrina'.

            • califnative califnative (NY)

              really? That's too bad, I didn't know that. I love this website and direct people here whenever I can.

            • Bones Bones

              You have to be busy keeping this site going, so I'm cutting the admin slack and I believe in free speech, but if that speech is a lie or speech used to deceive through psychological means then it must be exposed in how it works. Nothing emotional to get about a fake commenter. (Not a genuine pro-nuke regular citizen.) Just expose the METHODS of how socpuppet tries to steer the conversation. Read up on some psyops, if you haven't. It's a classic case. It sounds like a politician. 🙂

              • califnative califnative (NY)

                thanks Bones I agree, didn't mean to sound ungrateful to the admin here. I can see exactly what he's doing, other long timers here have explained it well and linked shill sites. Would be helpful if there was some kind of warning on the front page listing potential shills with their name.

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        Reporting and ignoring – isolates the abuser and makes it easier to step over the provocative trash and go to where you can add on topic information and links and rejoin ENE's otherwise unmatched discovery and exchange process. Envision him seeing his 20-30 per thread 'knockout' post attempts going totally unresponded?

  • many moons

    They even told the sailors on the USS Ronald Reagan that there was no dangerous radiation that hit the ship…but then they put in to San Diego to decontaminate the ship….did they ever think about trying to decontaminate the young sailors????

    Didn't even offer them a potassium tablet..

    I don't hold out much hope that we will hear one bit of truth from these jokers.

  • Socrates

    There are many forms of radiation being released from Fukushima. The levels are all different. The time periods of exposures are different. The half lives are different. For convenience, various equivalents have been established and government made consensus statements.

    You could say, for example, that smoking three cigarettes per day is within permissible limits.

    There are controversies about the effects of prolonged exposures to low dose radiation. Clearly, there are differences about the routes of ingestion as to the expected health consequences. But for the convenience of the nuclear industry, they use various averages and assumptions. None of this is really science. It is an epidemiological crap shoot for your health so that industry can knowingly expose you and your family to whatever levels they deem appropriate. In emergencies, these levels can be raised.

    The same is true of chemicals in the food supply or water.

    Cancer rates are climbing but it is difficult to know the levels of exposure to radionuclides and hot particles. The governments permit these exposures more than regulating them. When they deem it necessay, they either do not measure or do not release the data.

    • Bones Bones

      Beautiful post Socrates. I always tell people who can't understand secrecy in things like this that famous saying from our favorite scientist: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Exposing the machines they use, the psychological techniques they use, and just simply breaking down how they use propaganda and how to recognize it will go much farther then shouting down our favorite new poster or protesting or sending letters. Once someone understands the mechanisms used against them, they will develop an intellectual defense, critical thinking, and be able to use their knowledge of psyops to recognize blatant lies, mis-info, dis-info, control of debate, attack techniques, etc. Kind of the teach a man to fish proverb. IMO, but beautiful post regardless of what I said in mine.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    It is interesting that the rad levels in So. California have dropped since we have been having Santa Ana winds, which are east to west rather that west to east) yesterday and today.

    It would be interesting to test the air about 10 miles off of the Pacific Coast in Southern California……

  • Daisy207

    All water supplies that are sourced to reservoirs or any other surface water body ACROSS the country should be tested for tritium. Local health departments can do this and if they can't the equipment isn't expensive. We should not be drinking tritium or bathing in it or showering in it, as we would breath it in.

  • American Phoenix57

    “ If you are smiling, you will not have any radiation effect… If you are not smiling, you will have radiation effect. ”
    – Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor Prof. Dr. Yamashita of Nagasaki University On Fukushima And Radiation.

    “ Drinking may be bad for your health, but happy drinkers are less affected by radiation. ”
    – Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor Prof. Dr. Yamashita of Nagasaki University On Fukushima And Radiation.

    “ Not a problem if you continue to live here. Just wash your vegetables, that's all. ”
    – Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor Prof. Dr. Yamashita of Nagasaki University On Fukushima And Radiation.

    Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soccer refs.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      American Phoenix57: smiling – a logical scientific response. Reminds me of a scene in the 1953 War of the Worlds where the priest walks out with the bible in his hand, to confront the aliens that (probably laughs at the fool) blows him away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUY1KYEABz0

      • American Phoenix57

        My hope is that more and more people will have their curiosity survive their educations. The entire planet is counting on this tight nit group of modern Galileos surviving any attempt by anyone that tries to make us believe the Sun revolves around the Earth. Common sense is a known casualty of higher education. NO one likes their denial beaten like a rented mule. Hell I'm still not over losing Pluto as a planet. But like Tobacco, Asbestos, Lead and Fluoride – Nuclear will join them in the scientific hall of shame. The question will be. . . who will be around then to clap.

  • American Phoenix57

    In order to protect the global nuclear industry the mainstream media and the governments of Japan, North America and the U.S. Military Industrial Complex (that depend on the depleted uranium to produce deadly DU bombs, missiles and bullets) have attempted to cover up and down play this deadly global disaster in progress.

    They have raised all acceptable radioactive levels in Japan, Canada, Europe and the U.S. to make it seem all is normal and the U.S. State Department even signed an agreement NOT to test products from Japan for radioactivity. Despite the obvious cover up, the limp wristed technofacist bureaucrats infesting our regulatory agencies have had to choke up some disturbing reality.

    Environmental Protection Agency: “ … any exposure to radiation poses some risk, i.e. there is no level below which we can say an exposure poses no risk. ”

    Nuclear Regulatory Commission: “ any amount of radiation may pose some risk for causing cancer … any increase in dose, no matter how small, results in an incremental increase in risk. ”

    National Academy of Sciences: “ … it is unlikely that a threshold exists for the induction of cancers… ” (John LaForge: Dangerous Disinformation About Radiation, 2011)

    • American Phoenix57

      The majority of the dedicated, honest scientists and experts in this field have much stronger words describing our peril.

      “ If you inhale a millionth of a gram of plutonium, the surrounding cells receive a very, very high dose. Most die within that area, because it’s an alpha emitter. The cells on the periphery remain viable. They mutate, and the regulatory genes are damaged. Years later, that person develops cancer. Now, that’s true for radioactive iodine, that goes to the thyroid; cesium-137, that goes to the brain and muscles; strontium-90 goes to bone, causing bone cancer and leukemia. ”
      …“ Nuclear power … creates massive quantities of radioactive waste. There is no way to put it on earth that’s safe. As it leaks into the water over time, it will bioconcentrate in the food chains, in the breast milk, in the fetuses, that are thousands of times more radiosensitive than adults. One x-ray to the pregnant abdomen doubles the incidence of leukemia in the child. And over time, nuclear waste will induce epidemics of cancer, leukemia and genetic disease, and random compulsory genetic engineering. And we’re not the only species with genes, of course. It’s plants and animals. So, this is an absolute catastrophe, the likes of which the world has never seen before. ”
      – Renowned doctor and scientist Dr. Helen Caldicott

      • American Phoenix57

        “ There is no safe level of radionuclide exposure, whether from food, water or other sources. Period. ”
        – Jeff Patterson, DO, immediate past president of Physicians for Social Responsibility.

        “ There is no safe dose of radiation since radiation is cumulative. Harm in the form of excess human cancer occurs at all doses of ionizing radiation, down to the lowest conceivable dose and dose rate. ”
        – John Gofman, Ph.D., M.D. in Radiation and Human Health.

        “ There is no safe level of exposure and there is no dose of radiation so low that the risk of malignancy is zero… the genetic risks, and especially those associated with recessive mutations, may be as harmful and debilitating to the human race as the increases of cancer. ”
        – Dr. Karl Z. Morgan, director of the Health Physics Division of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, in Sept. 1978 Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

        • weeman

          So the benchmark should be the background radiation level per pre 1940?
          Every increase in level wil be responsible for x number of cancer deaths, exponentially until extinction.

        • Bones Bones

          No evidence…no culpability. They rely on ignorance. I think just the fact people bought just millions of geiger counters for the first time a huge sign of the tide shifting away from the lies. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Great posts. I often forget things buried in past posts. I was just wondering what happened to Monju after the landslide. No info and now they are doing a small-scale meltdown? Scary these incompetent fools STILL can run Monju after so many MAJOR incidents. I swear I'll start making posts like yours. I often forget to think about readers coming here for the first time. They need what you have done.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    AP57, Excellent! 🙂

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    "Water containing radioactive cesium-134 should be hitting the U.S. West Coast including Alaska any day now, but it’s hard to know for sure since no U.S. government agency is responsible for monitoring radioactivity in the ocean, Buesseler said."

    About to hit?

    What a load of BS. It has been hitting since the explosion on March 16, 2011. The entire country got hit hard after that and is still suffering from that nuklear blast.

    Also, according to the records, WHAT was hitting the country BEFORE the fukushima Stuxnet virus attack on fukushima and drill on March 11, 2001?

    .

  • American Phoenix57

    The Fukushima radioactive volcanoes have been spewing atmospheric and oceanic nuclear contamination for 1040 days uninterrupted.

    The effects of the deadly airborne particles are being compounded by millions of gallons of water being pumped in to attempt to cool the melted reactors that are then injected into the Pacific Ocean.

    The size and scope of this global nuclear poisoning is being quashed by a silly string of prostitute scientist and politicians whose funding and careers stand to be humiliated and terminated if they do not tell the lies and turn a blind eye. These clowns of science and politics are trying to tell us that the Fukushima radiation is the equivalent to eating a banana or flying across the country.

    When pundits talk about passive radiation exposure from a long airplane trip or eating a banana being of similar radiotoxicity to the kind presented by a nuclear meltdown, they are reinforcing the fundamental myth of the nuclear age: that releases like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and now Fukushima are concerns to health only as long as they involve external doses of radiation high enough to cause acute damage.

    The dirty secret that the largely cheerleading function of mainstream media conceals on behalf of the nuclear industry is that exceedingly low levels of internalized (inhaled or swallowed) radioisotopes may do exponentially more harm than present radiation risk models allow for.

    • American Phoenix57

      cont'd

      In order to understand the absurdity of drawing a one-to-one comparison between external and internal radiation exposures, Professor Chris Busby (Scientific Secretary for the European Committee on Radiation Risk) draws the analogy between direct comparison between external radiation and internal radiation exposures with warming oneself in front of a fire and eating a red hot coal. Indeed, the public is being lulled into pulling up a comfy chair to warm themselves by the radioactive fire of a disaster the scale of which this world has never known before.

      • Arizonan Arizonan

        AP57, great comment! +10000!! Love Busby's analogy. It really helps people understand the difference between internal and external exposure.

      • socref

        You should also include in your explaination why Busby and the ICRP, the established INternational Committee on Radiation Protection disagree. Busby is sort of an outsider in this regard. Thanks

        • Arizonan Arizonan

          The best explanation for the differences between the competing models (independent and pronuke ones) can be found here: http://www.euradcom.org

          Download the ECRR report. It is free. It is fully referenced. It details the main arguments in the debate. It finds for the independent science which proves that low level radiation is far more dangerous to life on many levels than the "insider" pronuke scientists have thus far found palatable.

          Busby is a fine scientist, by the way. If he is an "outsider" to the pronukes, it is only because his research is impeccable.

      • Radio Radio

        All insightful and informative and well said posts today AP57!

    • Daisy207

      AP – Its interesting that you bring up volcanic emissions. There are many radionucleides in volcanic emissions. They are not however, the result of fission reactions inside a reactor nor are they harnessed and concentrated within the earth – though much radioactive decay heat (and pressure) is responsible for the fact that the earth beneath the surface can get hot enough to melt rock – around 2,000 degrees F for basalt and much higher for andesite. HOWEVER – these naturally occurring radionucleides have been with us since we have evolved as a species – and yes they have probably been partially responsible for the DNA we have today or we would still look like apes- but if they caused cancers, and other diseases, we would no longer exist nor would any other plant or animal on the planet. Fukushima emissions are highly concentrated – can kill you if your too close to the source and are concentrated enough that if released all at once, can kill off the biosphere as we know it in short order. At just this ONE location. Continued

      • Daisy207

        Most of the radionucleides created from fission reactions are not natural but can mimic many natural nutrients that we need as a species to maintain our health – unfortunately they can also burn us up from the inside out if ingested and substituted for the real thing. Just so you know a little more about me – in an earlier stage of my life I worked for a power company that ran two nuclear power sites – one had only one reactor which was decommissioned twenty years ago and the other – still in operation – has three reactors. I was the token woman engineer in the Environmental and Nuclear Engineering Department. I worked on the environmental assessment for a coal conversion of one of our power plants – and yes coal emits radionucleides – surprise surprise – butttt again natural and not the result of fission reactions. With the scrubbers we installed, we had almost no emissions to the air of any kind – and maintained our fly ash and bottom ash in lined ponds that would not contaminate the ground water – and eventually solids were removed and re-processed for legitimate uses. The nuclear facilities were an other issue. The one that eventually was decommissioned leaked water from its spent fuel pool. We had to test the ground water for what seemed forever – and the only thing we tested for was —– tritium – nothing else. I did this sampling for three years – six monitoring wells – which took three hours – and my radiation badge was full at the end of the day – continued

        • Daisy207

          The question is in my mind – was my badge full within the first five minutes or after the three hours – and was it only tritium I was exposed to – probably not but I was not allowed back to another nuclear facility for a full year after each sampling event. After three years I was assigned another project. As far as I know that spent fuel and the pool are still at this site. Testing for radioactive emissions at active facilities is simply not done – testing is limited to meet discharge permits down the tailrace – and they are most interested in temperature – especially in the winter months so that fish are not faked into thinking its warm enough to have fish sex. I'm not an idiot – these sites are dangerous and potentially deadly – we clearly need to find another way to safely boil water.

        • Radio Radio

          Daisy207, i appreciate your going into some detail about the comparison of natural radiation versus manmade fission reactions. I've often noticed how claims about manmade fission reactions are sooo powerful and the apex of man's achievements…but, yet, are sooo not dangerous and safer than natural radiations. Twisted logic. Wanting it both ways. And, i wonder about the minds that must take that circuitous path to rationalize being proponents of radioactive fissioning and the creation of fissioning byproducts.

          I also hope you are well and are taking the various supplements to try and offset earlier and current exposures.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Father forgive them for they know not what they do and why did you have to make them (Nuke Pukes) all so.. bat-shit crazy! 🙂

    • weeman

      Father I forgive you, nothing is perfect.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      These people are the product of their own free wills and also exposure to radiation. Man has created this situation all by himself and everyone will have to bear the consequences. Don't blame s supernatural power. Fukushima and all nuclear technology is the product of the actions of men and hubris. Actions expose the hearts of everyone. Either people have good hearts, bad hearts, or neutral hearts.

    • Angela_R

      Obewan, but it was our human forefathers who decided they knew; they refused to listen they refused to believe and isn't that what mankind continued to do?

      Innocence is different to ignorance. Can one forgive deliberate ignorance?

  • razzz razzz

    I'd settle for sampling the food chain but it is more like playing the lottery for hot spots unless you live around Hanford where radiation exposure is a sure thing. BTW, Hanford is a huge site and still has a working reactor on the Columbia River.
    "…The plant is the most costly nuclear plant of its kind in the country;
    in 2012, ratepayers spent $418 million for power from the Columbia Generating Station, power available for $218 million…"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Generating_Station

    http://yosemite.epa.gov/R10/CLEANUP.NSF/6ea33b02338c3a5e882567ca005d382f/2f133ac95a7d2684882564ff0078b367/$FILE/hanford_map.jpg

    Notice how this article uses 'natural' and 'original' background radiation interchangeably.

    'Helicopter Over Baltimore To Monitor Radiation'

    "…The chopper–a tool from the National Nuclear Security Administration–has sensors that test for naturally occurring radiation…"
    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/01/14/helicopter-over-baltimore-to-monitor-radiation/

    Don't be surprised if soon after the survey they raise the background levels just like on the west coast. Don't know why Boston would be singled out, must be part of an overall accounting of Daiichi fallout unless there is a 'leaker' in the vicinity.

    • Radio Radio

      razzz, i'm also noticing articles, or perhaps public appeals that are using the terms "natural" and "normal" background radiation interchangeably, while normal includes the fallout from weapons testing.

      • artika rama

        radio Exactly ,, there is nothing natural about the background radiation . Its been on the rise since they first started nuke tests and nuke plants .
        !!!!Thats the whole point of fukushima discussion .!!!!! All these accidents keep raising background radiation but THERE IS NO WAY TO BRING IT DOWN !!! THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE . we keep raising and raising it untill what level ? when is enough really enough ? Do we really need to raise it to a level when the life expectancy falls to 40 s ? to 30 s? What can we do the decrease it then ? NOTHING . It ONLY GOES UP ,, Thats what these idiots do not understand ,,

  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    Last year I talked to a person at NOAA, who had this water "glider" at the DaVinchi Days Event in Corvallis. They send these little motorless subs out into the ocean to take readings.

    I asked him "Hey…are you guys testing for radioactivity from Fukushima?"

    He shot back a blank stare…like I was crazy…and said "No…we aren't".

  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    He's one problem that I keep seeing over and over again, with people like the soccer ref repeating to muddy the waters: We are exposed to radiation every day, yes that's true and the amount of radiation can vary depending on many factors, HOWEVER, not all radiation is the same. It all depends on how active the isotope is along with the

    The isotope in a Banana is K-40 with a half life of 1.5 billion years. The amount of energy given off can only be detected with extremely sensitive machines over a long period of detection unless you have a LARGE amount of bananas in one location. Additionally the amount of K-40 vs regular potassium is exceedingly small (less than 1%) and with the constant flux of potassium in the human body, the K-40 is processed out of the body with hours. Side note potatoes, kidney beans, sunflower seeds, and nuts also contain potassium and K-40 in extremely small quantities.

    1 gram of K-40 will give you less than .1 μSv over 50 YEARS. 1 gram of Cs-137 in less time will give you 3.215 TBq. That's a MASSIVE difference. Sr-90 as a similar output with a half-life of less than 30 years. Silver lining, Cs-137 is usually completely flushed from the body with-in 140 days (stating no more has been ingested), 60 if Prussian Blue is administered, however damage is usually done by that point. Sr-90 on the other hand 15-20% is permanently stored in bones with an additional 2-5% stored in soft tissue.

    • bwoodfield bwoodfield

      Secondly, majority of the environmental radiation we receive is external. Our skin blocks the majority of it and the remainder being such a small amount that it can almost be ignored. Alpha radiation can't even penetrate your skin, Beta can penetrate the upper levels of the skin but can't fully get though all layers, Gamma on the other hand can pass right through your body. C-137, 134, I-131 and Sr-90 are all Beta emitters so technically you could swim in the strongest of the radioactive flow coming across the pacific with little effect AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DRINK ANY. Once in the body Alpha and Beta emitters do massive damage to internal organs because there are no protective membranes.

      Thirdly ANYONE claiming that natural occurring radiation is harmless I have one word for you: RADON. It's a naturally occurring radioactive colorless, odorless, tasteless gas. It also causes lung cancer and a major concern for many homes and the second largest cause of lung cancer according to the US EPA.

      • Daisy207

        bw – good reply. I totally agree about the radon – I know its in my water supply because my well is drilled through granite – but my house has tested ok. However, I want to say that we have also evolved with radon – we just didn't have high population centers concentrated historically in areas where it occurred like today. Also the tobacco thingy should be though out – it wasn't until nuclear testing and fall out on ALL THE FARMLAND IN THE COUNTRY – was tobacco linked to lung cancer. Duhhh does anyone think that the tobacco may have been absorbing some of the fallout into the plants and still is today – so are the carrots, potatoes, lettuce – we just don't smoke them. Alpha emitters are really bad internally not that beta isn't – thus my concern about tritium in water supplies that come from reservoirs and other surface water sources – then used in baby food and infant formula as well as the rest of our food preparation and for drinking. Bad Bad Bad stuff. The body cannot distinguish it from regular water and sends it where ever water is needed.

        • bwoodfield bwoodfield

          That's what happens with Cesium. It's common compounds are salts and are water soluble. When introduced to the body it spreads all over and caused damage. It also easily moves through-out the food chain from plants to animals and can bio-accumulate in most plant matter as it's not processed out like in our bodies. Also being a salt, if it's dropped from a plant (fruit, leaves, etc) it is readily re-absorbed after decomposition concentrating it further. Of course any insect or animal that ingests the plant matter will then uptake the cesium into their systems. If they intake enough it will cause enough internal damage that organ failure occurs.

          "A 1972 experiment showed that when dogs are subjected to a whole body burden of 3800 μCi/kg (140 MBq/kg, or approximately 44 μg/kg) of caesium-137 (and 950 to 1400 rads), they die within thirty-three days, while animals with half of that burden all survived for a year." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137

          Insects and wild animals that die from the ingestion would then spread the contamination further as their bodies would then be consumed by carrion eaters or decompose feeding the surrounding plants.

    • Radio Radio

      Nice summary, bwoodfield. Thx.

  • Nick

    If Fukushima is not a problem for us, why the secrecy act in Japan?

    If Japan IS contaminated, shouldn't we be suspicious of ALL goods being exported from that country?

    Why should any of us believe anything that is meant to reassure us about radiation?

    Time for us all to make our own decisions.

    I know it sucks for folks on the West Coast of the US, but isn't the truth better than lies?

    If you were TOLD that Hanford really has mucked things up, would you stay?

    If you were TOLD that Fukushima has indeed contaminated vast areas of Japan, would you stay/visit?

    Face it. We are in an age of lies and more lies.

    Take note of your world around you. Anyone noticed larger than normal leaf litter drops (i Have).. Anyone noticed more frequent incidences of nose-bleeds in all age groups since 3/11? (I have)

    Anyone been confronted by sudden deaths of loved ones that defy "normal" demise? (I have)

    The last bit is pretty hard to document, but I am certain that many of us are dealing with grief.

    Yeah, we can't prove Fukushima/plus is responsible but we remain concerned.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      Yes…and why are all those pages of the NRC 3-20-11 transcripts blacked out? National Security? BS! They are hiding something that they know WE will not like.

  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    I would venture to say that most people who come here, come here out of grief. I, for one, have shed many many tears over this…for my animals…for my friends…for my family and kids…for humanity…and for nature.

    • califnative califnative (NY)

      Me too pink. When I went to the Fukushima is Here human sign on the beach in San Francisco, I cried knowing this was the last time I was going to be here days before I moved to New York after 30+ years in SF. There are so many things I could comment on the changes I've seen but do that another day.

      I follow Christina Consolo (RadChick)twitter and Mutation Watch on facebook. https://twitter.com/RadChick4Cast
      https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mutation-Watch/330100447017280

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        Funny calinative…I moved from Upstate NY to Oregon after 30+ years. Was only going to stay for a short time…figured Hawaii was my final resting spot, but not anymore.

        • califnative califnative (NY)

          that is funny, I wanted to move out of California for sometime and earlier considered WA, OR, UT including Montana. I found myself in NY because an opportunity came up and the timing was right to sell my house..and yes, to get further way from the west coast if possible.

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        @CA-to-NY: (OT) You and others will be startled to hear 1st hand testimony by senior Chief (Helicopter Squadron) Mechanic MIKE SEEBURN, in his interview with 'RadChick' CRISTINA CONSOLO, about helo mechanics wearing only gloves while trying to decontaminate a radiator measuring 60,000 CPM, and washing down planes after each of 30 missions per day (at 16:00 into the audio).

        More RR crew and pilots will report seriously sick every month, and congressional cover up 'hearings' (next thread) leave me underwhelmed:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcwl0NyvspQ

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Once you understand the truth/consequences and gravity of the Nuclear Cabal situation we have all allowed to occur on this planet's surface, continued sustained grief pangs should be expected for sane humans and that should be considered a normal response and pure feeling!

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Yes, very serious grief appears to be part and parcel of the Fukushima experience. I sometimes do public speaking on low level radiation issues, and it is hard to find a way to communicate what is happening to people without triggering a grief that makes them feel powerless. We will be grieving forever. I just hope it doesn't paralyze people and make them feel powerless. Remember: action is the antidote to despair. If you feel upset about Fukushima, work to close your nearest power plant, uranium mine, weapons complex, waste storage site. The sooner we get it all shut down the sooner the earth will be allowed to heal – even if it takes another 24,000 years.

  • Socrates

    Does a you remember when there was lead additives in gasoline and paints? The government took no action for 60 years.

    Many countries require that the proponent of a chemical additive sustain the burden of proving it's safety before placing it on the market. Reforms are underway.

    Nuclear energy is run by the Nuclear Taliban who are connected to the neoliberal, neocolonial, military, congressional, industrial complex.

    Routine discharges from NPPs must now include meltdowns because they DO happen. How many Senators or Congresspersons are anti-nuclear energy? They will talk of safety. Meanwhile, try to prove your cancer or your child's mutation came from their reactor. You cannot meet the burden of proof on the issue of causation. The odds were increased but not to being more likely than not.

    Plus, coal, as an alternative, is dirty. Carbon may contribute to climate change. The best arguments against nuclear energy is that it is too expensive to make it safe. You cannot "idiot-proof" nuclear energy. Fukushima proved that. SONGS proved that. Chernobyl proved that.

    • Angela_R

      Socrates, "plus coal, as an alternative, is dirty. Carbon may contribute to climate change."
      And other fossil fuels and nuclear energy do not? 🙂
      Sorry, I know you did not mean that; I'm just picking it up as a lead in to

      In the early 1960's I observed pollution in England. My eyes smarted and reacted to the pollution in Los Angeles. Twenty odd years later, I no longer hid my weeping eyes with sunglasses in L.A. The pollution was halted in London. (i.e. in comparison to the 60's.)

      We have allowed the 'diversionary' as we concentration our speech on the natural occurring non-noxious gas, Carbon dioxide, which can be eradicated. Society fails to include concern re fossil fuels poisonous gases, such as hydrogen sulfide and nitrous oxide, also found in coal seam gas. The mainstream news and our decision makers generally avoid discussions on nuclear.

      Too hard basket? Well they have for years continued to heap and load the problems by the expansion of these extractive industries. They've hastened the mad drive to hell.

      But I believe there are at least two scripture verses that ring loud and clear and offer hope for the suffering innocent.

  • Nick

    The problem with nuclear energy is in the atom itself.

    Bombarding other atoms with neutrons/electrons/protons leads to all kinds of goodies.

    Since NO ONE has figured out how to deal with the waste, WHY of WHy do we continue to buy the lies of the nuclear pukes?

    Because they have Wall Street and other financial farces behind them.

  • name999 name999

    The disaster in West Virginia so comprehensively describes what we discuss here regarding nuclear energy.
    No real oversight by anyone, not government, not the industry.
    The makers of the chemical that has contaminated such a vast amount of water does not even have to disclose what is in the product.
    The layers of deception are inexhaustible.
    People now have contaminated water and much as there is talk of cleaning the site, making the water safe to drink, it is not trustworthy or credible. That water belongs to all of us, it is not just Virginians that are suffering and are going to suffer.
    California is in drought and crops are failing. Any fallout will be in our drinking water and food.
    The beauty of this planet is a fading memory.

  • "Socref" must have gone on break. Wasn't his earlier comment about our being at the "top of the food chain" preciously disconnected from the facts of bio-accumulation?

    > http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BS1x_JoCYAA-sPp.jpg:large

  • ocifferdave

    12 Socref comments…off to post enenews.com on 12 diff news articles (anything from nuclear, energy, health, fishing, etc).
    TS! – (Thanks Socref!)

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      ocifferdave: is what you're saying is he's trashing enenews on other forums?

      • ocifferdave

        No, what I'm saying is he's firing me up in my heart to bring my 'A' game like I used to two years ago plus more.

        He comes with his 'A' game, so shall I by spreading awareness about Fukushima by simply letting people know enenews.com exists.

        Enenews.com does the rest.

  • ocifferdave

    Commenting done.

    Now creating the DON'T EAT PACIFIC FISH flyer with tearaway enenews.com tabs to go post at the store.

    Using the free software called Inkscape to make the flyer.

    TS!

  • ocifferdave

    Instead of enenews.com on the tearaway tabs I'll put facebook.com/enenews. Less scarey, less unknown, more likely to check it out if it's on facebook.

    In the past, when I am short on time, I go there to read the headlines from enenews and make a quick post or two, like other people's posts/comments, etc.

  • ocifferdave

    Instead of a commanding tone of DON'T EAT PACIFIC FISH, I put:

    "I DON'T EAT
    PACIFIC FISH
    ANYMORE"

    Check it out.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9sSp738t7S0b0szSllEcjliTW8/edit?usp=sharing

    I'll post this at the top of the next article, too. Who wants to look at the last comments of yesterday's enenews articles, right? Not as many.

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