Poland tries to blame Pakistan for iodine-131 over Europe — Pakistan says no: “Release of Iodine-131 is not possible unless there is a nuclear fuel failure”

Published: November 13th, 2011 at 11:49 am ET
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No KANUPP linkage to Radioactivity in Europe, PAEC clarifies, AP of Pakistan, Nov. 12, 2011:

Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) on Sunday refuted a news item appeared in a section of national and international media alleging that higher than normal radioactivity noticed in parts of Europe could have originated from the recent KANUPP incident. [...]

The release of Iodine-131 is not possible unless there is a nuclear fuel failure, while the incident at KANUPP involved leakage of heavy water which contains tritium and not Iodine-131, said the official.

Higher radiation levels were detected in Poland and Ukraine even before October 19 when the KANUPP incident had not even taken place. [...]

The entire news item is based upon the statement attributed to the spokesman of the Polish atomic energy agency who only said: “Unconfirmed reports suggest there may have been an incident at a nuclear power station in Pakistan but this requires further confirmation”.

And he did not cite any evidence or proof. [...]

Published: November 13th, 2011 at 11:49 am ET
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99 comments to Poland tries to blame Pakistan for iodine-131 over Europe — Pakistan says no: “Release of Iodine-131 is not possible unless there is a nuclear fuel failure”

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Aha. Folks getting nervous.
    Funny enough, Poland is currently preparing to build its first nuclear reactor.


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    • Sickputer

      Yes…as we have surmised…the sheer magnitude of the world wide angst being created by this tiny spot of land in Japan is something to behold.

      The bankers and dictators are beginning to blink…and swallow hard. It’s one thing to generate jobs and make lots of money…but to destroy your entire country with an industrial accident for the next 300 generations can make you think there’s a better way to make a buck in your own country.

      It may be too late for the citizens of the Japanese archipelago and in a year the entire peninsula of Korea, but hope springs eternal the farther away any country lies from ground zero of the largest nuclear fuel explosions in the history of the atomic era. Assuming a plant doesn’t blow in your neck of the woods.

      I said Tokyo was finished on June 10th to my friends, relatives and colleagues as we watched the video I call the Day the Buildings Disappeared at Fukushima. To me that was worse than the Unit 3 explosion because this release was evidence the fission and atomic fire reactions were beyond any known methods of control. The unquenchable fire:

      Worth reposting:

      The Day the Buildings Disappeared (see the first and last 30 seconds): http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live#p/search/9/dxzBKBKPLRg the afternoon of June 10, 2011 in America (Japanese time was 3 to 4 AM June 11, 2011).

      The sad thing is that we have seen that type of day repeated several times. I am sure those fumes killed many workers and they have concealed the deaths. The people who made fun of Emmy’s predictions of the worker deaths in June have mostly left this forum because they have nothing worth writing to defend the nuclear cabal. They probably joined the 4 million preppers in America and have no personal time to discuss or defend their beloved nuclear industry. They are the ones who will be toting more gonna-wayyas than most in their belts and will terminate you without remorse after the nuclear winter.


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi Sickputer, I remember that horrid night. A group of folks here at ENE was just completely losing it (includung me). :-(


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        • Sickputer

          I was stunned…had cold chills down my spine that afternoon at work viewing the radioactive fog cloud at Fukushima June 10, 2010.

          An epiphany that will rank equal to the day John Kennedy was murdered, Nixon resigned, Elvis died, Reagan was shot, and the Challenger blew out of the sky.

          It was the worst single second feeling in my life…beyond even when my mother and dad died. I had a feeling I might be witnessing not only the death of the Japanese race, but my own family.

          It was like I saw a massive asteroid headed for earth and we were all going to be wiped in a short period of time. Instead we get massive little deadly artificial asteroids headed into our bodies with a brainless mentality. Dr. Frankenstein at the nuclear mafia has unleashed this monstrosity on us and we have no torches to kill the beast.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            @Sickputer, yes. For me, Fuku was the moment to think my life over and give it a new direction.
            Now, I have cut back my work hours and spend lots of time learning about climate change issues – keen on turning this knowledge into a profession.
            There’s so much to do, and no more time left to be wasted.


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      • Thanks sickputer,

        You’re confirming exactly what I think.

        It’s giving me a strange sick feeling in the pit
        of my stomach.

        I think we all sense something horrible is coming
        down the wire that will affect all of us.

        Cheers,
        Bruce


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    • matina matina

      Turkey is building 6 new NPPs some on a major fault line


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  • Jebus Jebus

    REPOST

    European Radiation Leak Update Nov 13, 2011
    November 13th, 2011

    We have some new information and many new questions that have arose out of our crowd sourced research today. Concerns initially focused on the Maria medical reactor in Poland and the Rosatom medical reactor in Russia. They are not completely ruled out but radiation mapping along with weather are making them sound less likely. Another potential candidate is the research reactor at Moscow university. It does not specifically state a medical isotope program there but there is the potential for a leak or undocumented experiments, so this one is a distant contender.

    One potential source is the Krsko nuclear power plant in Slovenia. In looking at the available data for EURDEP and the reports from other countries this appears to be a location of higher levels of Iodine 131 and also Cesium 137 found at monitoring stations near the plant. The iodine 131 levels near the plant are also relatively high and create a path of traces of radiation going north from the plant area. Cobalt 60 was also detected near the plant…

    …It was also found that an area over the Ukraine, Serbia, Hungary and Bulgaria have been blocked from air traffic for the 13th and 14th for aerial photography. This area also lacks the detailed network of radiation detectors other countries have. There is speculation that this aerial photography is either radiation monitoring flights or blocking off a known contaminated area.

    Apparently the IAEA has taken the weekend off. No updates have been given since their report on Friday that low levels of Iodine 131 are showing up in Europe. The IAEA told the public only iodine 131 was showing up and that this was not a nuclear power plant. The two known medical reactors in the region are looking less likely but not totally ruled out and EURDEP is showing more than just Iodine 131 in Slovenia.

    http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=4017


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  • arclight arclight

    IAEA declares Pakistan’s nuclear program safe and secure
    by BNO News on April 25, 2011

    “The IAEA’s chief added that clean energy generation, including solar, hydropower, wind, and nuclear, is a much needed way to address the world’s growing energy demands as fossil fuels are running out.

    Flory remarked that his agency will continue working on improving nuclear safety in order to prevent another serious accident, referring to the ongoing crisis in Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant.”

    hahahaiaea and this

    “Another serious nuclear accident or terrorist incident will completely erase the development of nuclear power worldwide,”

    added the Director General. “We need new thinking and a new approach adapted to our dynamically changing global situations.” :) ooopsa!!

    http://amerpundit.com/2011/04/25/iaea-declares-pakistans-nuclear-program-safe-and-secure/


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  • radegan

    Is this a Polish joke? The Poles think Iodine 131 in Poland came from Pakistan? Which way do they think the world turns? And if it came magically from Pakistan, where are the intermediate measurements in Iran, Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia? What is in your country blew there from the west. That’s the way the world turns.

    And Medical Reactors? Ha, ha ha, ha! That’s almost as good – some singular medical reactor spewed enough Iodine 131 to be detected from NW Europe to SE Europe. Even Chernobyl didn’t do that. How about the Open Air Reactor Experiment ongoing in Japan? Could it be the source?


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    • lam335 lam335

      re: Which way do they think the world turns?

      Although the jet stream moves from west to east, regional winds/weather patterns can apparently carry this stuff significant distances in the opposite direction.

      Chernobyl’s plume reached Ireland and even significantly contaminated parts of northern Scotland.

      Last time I checked, Ireland and Scotland were to the west of Pripyat.


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      • radegan

        And their distance from Chernobyl was? Now look at the distance from Pakistan. Surface winds?


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        • HamburgGeiger

          I don`t think it is from Pakistan. But it is not impossible, imo. The use of depleted uranium ammunition in Irak has been measured here in Europe! From there Pakistan is not sooo far away.


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          • lam335 lam335

            Yes, I heard the DU was even detected in the UK.

            Why can’t people understand? The world isn’t that big, and the stuff we release into people’s air on the other side of the globe eventually makes its way back around to the rest of us. The idea of different nations having their own “air space” is a myth in the face of long-lived and far-travelling radioactive pollution.


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          • jimbojamesiv

            The distance between Chernobyl and Ireland or Scotland is far, far less than the distance between Pakistan and Poland. Look it up on Google maps.

            I did, and in my opinion it’s way unlikely that much anything would blow from Pakistan to Poland, barring huge quantities of particulate, etc.


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            • lam335 lam335

              That’s true, but we don’t know that Cherno’s fallout stopped at the tip of Scotland. There just wasn’t any more land to survey for contamination beyond that point until you get to Iceland–I just don’t know if Cherno’s plume reached Iceland from that direction.


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              • lam335 lam335

                Actually, it looks like Chernobyl’s plume did reach Iceland. They don’t specify which direction it came from here, but since Cherno hit them with more than Fuku, it seems likely that Cherno first travelled to Iceland from the European direction, rather than only after crossing North America:

                http://grapevine.is/News/ReadArticle/Fukushima-Radiation-Reaches-Iceland-No-Cause-For-Concern

                “However, the levels of radiation are very low, the Icelandic Radiation Safety Authority contends. They emphasise that radiation levels from Fukushima now reaching Iceland are 0.0001% to 0.00001% that of the radiation that reached Iceland after the 1986 Chernobyl incident, which was also far below levels capable of harming human health.”


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        • TraderGreg

          Study the wind patterns in Europe to enlighten yourself. So far, you couldn’t be more wrong.


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          • TraderGreg

            that comment was to radegan


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            • arclight arclight

              the weather at the time came across scandanavia , swirld left and came back to uk via ireland from my memory…it was about two to three days befors we got the first radioactive rain that it was reported in sweden….didnt fully hit iceland…

              i remember that the rain dumped on wales and slightly depleted moved east! i got incredibly drunk on the day the plume hit waiting for the rain to stop..i worked out time it would hit using the bbc world wervice broadcast!! thats my memeory of the three day wait for the main rain out to hit! it was great that we had some warning too!!

              as a side issue my conversation in the pub (and a few games of pool) was with an american “downwinder” friend! and another friend that, later started a buisness supplying engineers to the nuke industry… oh the irony!!

              while im sharing…..i had a girlfriend in scandanavia at the time who was pregnant…and i understood the implications of that situation better than most at the time!! why am i anti nuke? i just gave you two strong reasons with a bit of irony too!
              peace


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  • lam335 lam335

    But what about the “other” recent incident in Pakistan (the one anachronistically blamed on the “Soviets”)?

    “Nuclear Event in Pakistan on Monday, 31 October, 2011 at 04:25 (04:25 AM) UTC.
    Description

    A rise in general radioactivity of the atmosphere has been noticed in West Pakistan resulting from the Soviet nuclear blasts, the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission announced here yesterday. The rise in radioactivity has been detected at Lahore and Quetta on different dates. The average rise in radioactivity of the atmosphere over West Pakistan to date has been 50 per cent over the normal background activity, the announcement said. No rise in radioactivity has, however, been noticed in East Pakistan presumably because of the south-western air currents over the region at this time of the year which have prevented the settling of the radioactive fallout resulting from the Soviet blast in the north, the commission said. It clarified, however, that the 50 per cent average rise in West Pakistan since the commencement of nuclear tests by Russia is far below the level which could be considered dangerous to human health.”

    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=NC-20111031-32885-PAK


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  • lam335 lam335

    “Higher radiation levels were detected in Poland and Ukraine even before October 19″

    Then WHY did they only begin to tell people about detecting this stuff a couple of days ago????!!!!!

    Will they EVER think about people’s health first???!!!

    Sadly, we all already know the answer to that question.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    “Regional post” ;-)
    To all German folks here – please make sure to protest against the planned nuke plant in Poland. You have time until January 4th!!
    Please find a prepared letter and the two (!) addresses to send your letter to here:
    http://www.contratom.de/2011/10/09/einpruch-gegen-geplantes-atomkraftwerk-in-polen/

    Let’s stop this madness – thank you :-)


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  • sworldpeas sworldpeas

    ANTI NUKE RALLY TODAY IN JAPAN!!! The people are standing up for their rights! WAY TO GO MY FRIENDS!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_xKEWuj1I&feature=feedu

    William has an awesome video on what it’s like buying food in Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JUx3guPOKc&feature=related


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Read this article dated April 1 2011. Before all the detectors were shut out from public view. It details the radionuclides that circled the planet after Fuku blew. It describes how sensitive the comprehensive test ban treaty detectors and others are.

    As Fukushima fallout circles the globe, nuclear sleuths sift it for clues

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/as-fukushima-fallout-circles-the-globe-nuclear-sleuths-sift-it-for-clues/2011/03/30/AFfnQBHC_story.html

    Most notable are these paragraphs from the second page.

    Radioactive iodine-131 and cesium-137 are key to this process. They don’t exist in nature, so their appearance signals a nuclear event — either a bomb or a reactor in trouble. Both can cause health problems in large amounts. But iodine-131 decays relatively rapidly: After eight days, half the original amount is gone. Its presence means that the event that created it occurred just weeks beforehand. Cesium-137 takes much longer to decay, with a half-life of 30 years. Traces of cesium-137 from Chernobyl still waft on Earth’s great jetstreams.

    Clues in the air

    It was detective work of this kind that alerted the world to the world’s worst nuclear disaster 25 years ago. In April 1986, nuclear power plant workers in Sweden detected a spike in iodine-131 and cesium-137, which — after a check of wind patterns — revealed the unfolding disaster at Chernobyl, which the Soviet Union had not disclosed.

    Because both isotopes can come from a bomb or a reactor, nuclear sleuths also search for another isotope that originates only in reactors: cesium-134. It is produced during the slow-boil nuclear fission inside reactors, but not the flash-bang of a nuclear explosion. The ad-hoc sensors built by academics on the West Coast have picked up cesium-134 from Fukushima, as have the permanent CTBTO stations.

    Something is cooking with Krsko in Slovenia!


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  • arclight arclight

    “Nuclear accounts for 40% of the total electricity production. Slovenia has been part of the Union for the Coordination of Transmission of Electricity (UCTE) since 1975 and has strong connections with its neighbours, Austria, Italy and Croatia. Slovenia is a relatively small consumer of electricity compared to other UCTE countries, but because of its position and the strong connections it has with its neighbours it plays an important role in the European electricity market. Slovenia has one nuclear power plant (NPP), in Krsko. The government’s Strategy for the Use and Supply of Energy that was set up in 1996 aimed at phasing out nuclear power and increasing the use of renewables. And yet, the safety level of the Krsko NPP, which was built by Westinghouse with a US license, has been assessed and is considered on a par with Western European standards. Nuclear phase-out is no longer on the government’s agenda. Efforts are also being made to increase energy efficiency.”

    http://www.foratom.org/slovenia.html


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Shit! Do they even have any backup diesel generators there yet. In March 23 they had a main power line failure!

    Krsko Nuclear Plant Spends EU30 Million on Security, Delo Says
    By Boris Cerni – Mar 27, 2011 11:37 PM PT

    Slovenia’s nuclear power plant in Krsko has invested about 30 million euros ($42 million) a year into security systems to reduce the risk of an accident, Delo reported.

    The plant, about 30 kilometers (19 miles) west of Zagreb, plans to strengthen levies along the river Sava to reduce the risk of flooding, the Ljubljana-based newspaper said, citing Stanislav Rozman, the plant’s chairman of the management board.

    To lower the risk of damage from an earthquake, the facility is installing an independent, diesel powered generator that will be operational next year, Delo said.

    The Krsko plant, jointly owned by Slovenia and Croatia, has been idle since March 23 due to a power-line outage and will be back online later this week, a spokeswoman for the facility said last week.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-28/krsko-nuclear-plant-spends-eu30-million-on-security-delo-says.html


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  • arclight arclight

    “The capacity of the storage for low and intermediate level waste (LILW) at the NPP site will run out by 2010. Therefore ARAO, the Slovenian agency for radwaste management, started 1999 to search for a site for a repository. Until Aptil 2005 eight Slovenian communities declared themselves interested in offering a site. In three of these communities field investigations will be started and will go on for approximately three years till the final selection of one site. The operation is planned to start in 2013.

    Solid radioactive waste and spent nuclear fuel are stored within the plant area. Solid radioactive waste is treated and then packed into steel drums, which are then stored in the Solid Waste Storage. Spent nuclear fuel is stored under water in the Spent Fuel Pit.”

    http://www.ecology.at/nni/index.php?p=country&c=34
    not been incinerating the waste? eh?


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  • arclight arclight

    “ZAGREB (Croatia), September 27 (SeeNews) – Nuclear power plant Krsko will be closed for regular maintenance from September 30 to October 31, Croatian Business portal Bankamagazine (www.bankamagazine.hr) reported on Sunday.

    The Krsko plant, which is located in Slovenia near the border with Croatia and is jointly owned by the two neighbouring countries, has an 18-month operation cycle after which it closes for a month for regular maintenance.

    During the 24th cycle, which began on May 3 last year and ends on September 30 this year, Krsko’s operation was extremely stable and without unplanned breaks, as 8.45 terawatt hours (TWh) of net electricity were generated, about 1.2% above plan, Bankamagazine said.

    The Krsko nuclear power plant was built in the 1970s at a time when Croatia and Slovenia were part of former Yugoslavia.The two neighbouring countries share its output.”

    http://seenews.com/news/latestnews/krskonuclearplanttocloseformaintenance-media-112330/


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  • arclight arclight

    Slovenia will stick to nuclear despite Fukushima: minister
    (AFP) – Jun 10, 2011

    “LJUBLJANA — Slovenia will produce energy at its nuclear power plant for at least 20 more years despite the Fukushima disaster, Economy Minister Darja Radic said Friday.

    “Slovenia will not give up its nuclear plans because of the accident,” she told a news conference while outlying a draft of the new national energy programme.

    Radic said the government had prepared five different energy supply options for Slovenia until 2030 “and all include the nuclear option.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gmG66g8rHv1cMDKpcoWvMoL3JktA?docId=CNG.ec83f852b2779083383ca297b1deae77.4d1


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  • fleshfield

    if I check the radiation map for germany, I can see that the radiation level for AKW Grohnde is not the usual 100nSv (nano), but 300 nSv this morning. Not much, but still … it was at 100nSV/h for the last 4 weeks and now it tripled.
    http://eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu/PublicEurdepMap/Default.aspx

    a random Guy from Germany


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  • Yes, seems to be South-East Europe:

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/11-6

    The IAEA has been unable to determine from which country the radiation is emanating, and both Czech and Austrian officials said it was unlikely their countries were the source. Austrian officials said in a statement that a study of the dispersal cloud indicated the radiation is most likely coming from somewhere in southeastern Europe.

    In addition to nuclear plants, iodine-131 is used in many hospitals and by radiopharmacutical manufacturers as it can be used to help treat thyroid problems in small doses.

    “Anywhere spent nuclear fuel is handled, there is a chance that… iodine-131 will escape into the environment,” the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says on its website.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    Hello…did anyone happen to notice that there was a huge explosion in Iran yesterday as they attempted to ‘move ammunition?’ About 40 people were killed including the man in charge of their missile development program? I think that the source may be from there.


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    • TraderGreg

      Possible – but the radiation in Europe started to increase before that explosion in Iran. I wouldn’t be surprised if Iran has a stockpiles of radioactive material.


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  • TraderGreg

    Just a question – is it possible that Chernobyl is spewing the radiation again? There were new cracks showing up there…


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  • The Zaporizhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine is coming under scrutiny after some conflicting stories have come out about the plants condition. One report says all reactors in Ukraine are on alert conditions, another claims Zaporizhia shut down after a problem but that no radiation was leaking out. The two reports on Twitter: russian_market russian_market ☰ ВСЕГДА ГОТОВ ☰ BREAKING NEWS: Incident at the Nuclear Power Plant in #Zaporizhia /Ukraine/, the Fifth block turned off automatically bit.ly/vIn8mT 12 Nov @russian_market ☰ ВСЕГДА ГОТОВ ☰ BREAKING NEWS: ALL NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS in Ukraine put on Alert after today’s incident at the Nuclear Power Plant in #Zaporizhia /Ukraine/ Lenta.ru is reporting a fault in the power systems but no emergency. Russian Market via Joop;nl is stating all nuclear plants in Ukraine are on alert. EURDEP is showing gradually lowering radiation levels over Europe … http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=4032

    Krsko nuclear power plant in Slovenia. In looking at the available data for EURDEP and the reports from other countries this appears to be a location of higher levels of Iodine 131 and also Cesium 137 found at monitoring stations near the plant. The iodine 131 levels near the plant are also relatively high and create a path of traces of radiation going north from the plant area. Cobalt 60 was also detected near the plant. …
    http://radioactive.eu.com/


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  • I’m writing this 2.5km away from the measuring stations where this crap was detected :/


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  • Update-Slovenia is in the clear regarding the recent emissions. I have communicated with EURDEP folks and they gave me a straight answer.

    The discrepancy is attributed to a known software bug. Quote

    “Regarding the indication of the LLD values as purple points on the EURDEP map: yes, that is indeed an error in EURDEP, instead of showing the specific LLD dots, it shows the ‘normal’ colored dots as if the measurement is above the related thresholds, which in case of LLD values is not correct. We will also correct this issue in a next version.”


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Wheh-wheh-wheh…. Here, source! Come on! Show yourself! Good boy! Come out of hiding you shy thing, you! Here, source! Wheh-wheh-wheh….


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Ahem, I just translated this page:

    Radioattività in Europa: si teme una fuga in Slovenia, a Krsko
    Silenzio dall’Aiea. Iodio-131, cesio-134 e 137 a 120 km da Trieste

    http://www.ilcapoluogo.com/News/Attualita/Radioattivita-in-Europa-si-teme-una-fuga-in-Slovenia-a-Krsko-70042

    Here is what they say:
    Radioactivity in Europe: it is feared a leak in Slovenia, Krsko
    Silence by the IAEA. Iodine-131, cesium-134 and 137 to 120 km from Trieste
    Radioactivity in Europe: it is feared a leak in Slovenia, Krsko

    Rome, Nov. 15, 2011 – Traces of iodine-131 were detected in the air of Europe. He told the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), on 11 November, ensuring that “there are no health risks” and that the radioisotope does not come from Japanese nuclear power plant in Fukushima, damaged by the tsunami of March last year.

    The source of iodine-131, found in “very low quantities,” but it would be in the Czech Republic, whose authority in charge of the nuclear industry has indicated the origin of manufacture of radiopharmaceuticals. The IAEA has pointed star of “working with their counterparts to determine cause and origin of the spread” of iodine-131. The agency did not specify in what other areas of Europe has been found the radioisotope.

    For the Reuters news agency the presence of iodine-131 dates back to late October. For Criirad – Commission of Independent Research and Information on Radioactivity – in early November iodine-131 was also recorded in northern Germany and Hungary. According to the Eurdep – a European platform for radiological data exchange -, iodine-131 was detected in Slovenia and Croatia, in four different places: in Zagreb, Ljubljana, Krsko, the border between Croatia and Hungary and Serbia.

    Continued…


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Krsko

      From unofficial sources we learn that two nuclear power plants would be affected by the release of iodine-131: the nuclear power plant Krsko (Slovenia) and the nuclear power plant at Paks (Hungary). Doing a search on the cesium dell’Eurdep on site, only the Krsko nuclear power plant would be interested because in Europe, this site collects only iodine-131, cesium-134 and cesium-137.

      This index would, according to some, of a possible accident at the center, which took place just 120 kilometers from Trieste. And besides the central one has already had problems with leaks in 2008: June 4 there was a leak in the primary circuit of the reactor cooling system.

      In any case, it should be noted that the Erdep (European Radiological Data Exchange Platform), is headed by the European Commission and are included in it from the radioactivity data from 4,200 stations. But most of the measurements are not validated and defects in the instruments, in electronic equipment or software may return incorrect values.

      It ‘still disturbing the silence of the IAEA, and in Italy, ISPRA, the Institute for Protection and Environmental Research, whose president is Bernardo De Bernardinis.

      Paul Della Ventura
      Updated at 11/15/2011 00:41


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      • arclight arclight

        oh and what have the iaea been releasing to the press since the initial statement of the 11th nov…

        Press Release 2011/24

        Low Levels of Iodine Detected in Europe

        11 November 2011 | The IAEA has received information from the State Office for Nuclear Safety of the Czech Republic that very low levels of iodine-131 have been measured in the atmosphere over the Czech Republic in recent days.

        The IAEA has learned about similar measurements in other locations across Europe.

        The IAEA believes the current trace levels of iodine-131 that have been measured do not pose a public health risk and are not caused by the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident in Japan.

        http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/2011/prn201124.html

        not a bleedin dicky bird!!


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  • arclight arclight

    “This index would, according to some, of a possible accident at the center, which took place just 120 kilometers from Trieste. And besides the central one has already had problems with leaks in 2008: June 4 there was a leak in the primary circuit of the reactor cooling system.”

    i think youve nailed that motherf%^&*ker on the head!! old chap!!

    any dissenters!!

    if not thats enenews new headline!!

    rock on!!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    And what if this is the truth, that Krsko has melted…

    Triest, ITALY – October 2008
    GiuseppeNACCI (M.D.)
    Specialized in Nuclear Medicine

    The Threat of nuclear power station of Krsko
    Fallout caused by an accident at a nuclear power station of Krsko
    (Slovenia)
    Introducing a new colorimetric scale
    (BLACK, GREY, RED, ORANGE, YELLOW and WHITE Zones)
    to evaluate the effects of radioactive Fallout on civilian populations

    http://www.mednat.org/NACCI_fallout_english.pdf


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Current wind/cloud patterns…

    http://sat24.mobi/Image/satir/europa/alps

    From here…Lots of uncensored weather info, for now…

    http://www.stormchasingeurope.com/p/current-weather.html


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    • arclight arclight

      looks like italy is in line as the wind is coming from the north east…looks like a moving southerly front may spin off and hit there.

      ive got friends in macedonia :(

      they are still dealing with issues from chernobyl :(


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  • Info from EURDEP development team

    “If you look to the EURDEP time-series (by clicking the station) of the Slovenian stations that send data for these Nuclides, you will see the “< ” symbol in the LLD column. You will also see that the tooltip of each single measure in the time-series indicates that the reported value was below the detection limit and therefore does not represent a real measurement.


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  • Meaning…

    if you look at the EURDEP app, Slovenia does pop up in red and purple, although the data would have to show a blue – white dot. This is a confirmed bug.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    http://www.meteoweb.eu/2011/11/allarme-nucleare-fuga-radioattiva-dalla-centrale-di-krsko-in-slovenia/97727/

    Translated:

    Alarm nuclear radiation leak from the Krsko plant in Slovenia?
    Monday, November 14, 2011, 11:21 Peppe Caridi

    In the past few hours have been detected abnormal concentrations of iodine 131 in some parts of Slovenia and Croatia. Probably from the Krsko nuclear power plant in Slovenia, there has been a radiation leak. The news, released on the web, had no official confirmation. But many sites asks the IAEA to clarify.

    Citizen Comment from site…

    tiziano
    14 novembre 2011 – 12:58
    SOMETHING HAPPENED AND THAT WE ARE NOT CONFIRMED iodine RESEARCH IN PROGRESS AND TWO FORMS OF CESIUM IN HIGH CONCENTRAZIONI.FRIULI Venezia Giulia WARNED BY SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE BURNING OF YESTERDAY’S THROAT AND EYES!! PROBABLE NUCLEAR ACCIDENT OF SMALL ENTITIES. MY ARTICLE AND MY PERSONAL OPINION AND HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    radioactive.eu.com,
    I may be wrong and with all due respects, I am more trusting of the hundreds of first person reports and all eyes looking at Krsko than the EURDEP telling you and others that it is a software bug…
    Radionuclides are coming from somewhere in that vicinity. The words and noises are beginning to look familiar to me…
    I am sorry you are so close to there and hope you are safe.


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  • arclight arclight

    radioactive eu

    what about the levels on this chart that matina supplied it covers slovenia and shows spectrographs (not in crayon) the levels are higher than yesterday overall.. now they are showing up to twice the lowest reading of about 60n/sv? what do you make of that when comparing the two?

    http://www.radioaktivnost.si/ewsmambo/EWS/POZDRAV/MZO_gmaps1.html


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  • Jebus Jebus

    More due respects…
    Here is radioactive.eu.com’s website, where it is claimed “Mystery Solved”
    Read for yourself…

    http://radioactive.eu.com/

    I do not completely believe this because:
    1. It is the nuclear industry, enough said there.
    2. Reports are coming from all over EU and beyond.
    3. Slovenia has had many issues with the aging Krsko plant.
    4. Fukushima has restarted the anti-nuke wave and Slovenia wants more reactors onsite.
    5. Greed and corruption is documented with the decomissioning funds missing.
    6. Slovenia wants to EXTEND Krsko’s operating life.
    7. It is the nukliar industry, they are all on the same page of the PR manual.
    Does all of this sound familiar?


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  • Jebus Jebus

    UPDATE: European Iodine Leak Situation

    November 15th, 2011
    Still not a word out of the IAEA and no countries are coming forward with new information. We compiled historical radiation readings from the region in an attempt to locate the source of the iodine leak in eastern Europe. There is not enough available data to clearly pin down a source. Factors like wind direction and topography impact where and how radiation travels. This also appears to be moving very slow. The first report is Oct. 10th in Ukraine with the last initial report being Oct 27 in Norway. The Norway spike showed on multiple radiation stations in the south and east of the country all on the same day and follows the outward pattern of readings.

    One situation that is causing the data gap is the EUDEP system. Member nations report their radiation data to EUDEP. EUDEP then only provides a vague visualization map devoid of actual numerical readings for specific stations. This is creating the large gap. Member nations are collecting this information, not putting it on their websites and EUDEP is not fully sharing data with the public.

    http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=4041

    http://www.simplyinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EU_radmap.jpg


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  • Jebus Jebus

    And ‘to 120 km from Trieste. The radioactive cloud across Europe comes from Krsko?

    ….To query the database Erdep must first acknowledge that, in essence, you are given untrusted data: most of the measurements are not validated and defects in the instruments, in electronic equipment or software may return incorrect values.

    What will never be a database unreliable? However, it is the only tool.

    It should also take note that the maps obtained from the database are copyrighted and may not be republished. So here you can not see the map of the Iodine 131: however, there is a link at the bottom to build it.

    Provided that the data can be totally phony Erdep, if you ask it to show where it was found iodine 131 small blue spots appear near Krsko: to be precise on the border between Slovenia and Croatia on the border between Croatia and Hungary; another small dot appears much more to the north, the south of Sweden.

    These dots correspond to a very weak radioactivity: less than 100 nSv / h. Appeared from November 1, and remain today. We have similar results if you questions about the map of Cesium 137.

    However the map does not indicate the presence of iodine 131 in most of Central and Eastern Europe: where however, according to news sources, has been identified. Also on the site of the Krsko nuclear power plant do not see any notice of an accident, malfunction or the like.

    http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkrsko%2Bslovenia%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D933%26bih%3D659%26tbs%3Dqdr:h%26prmd%3Dimvns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&u=http://www.tzetze.it/tzetze_news.php%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fblogeko.iljournal.it%252F2011%252Fe-a-120-chilometri-da-trieste-la-nube-radioattiva-in-europa-viene-da-krsko%252F65028&usg=ALkJrhgGs0Hm7nRmZz8CxR8MvFLs1khKng


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    • m8 chill out, all of these Slovenia articles are reworks of the post on simplyinfo and my website.

      THE DATA and you can look for that your self in EURDEP is on normal levels, but yet, the dot will get colored RED or PURPLE.

      Compare it to other countries.

      ITS A BUG!


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Believe who and what you want, Buddy. Bug or not it is a flawed system and I will never stop diggin…
        I’m posting all findings, not just one viewpoint…
        There is more to all this than just “Mystery Solved”


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  • midwestern midwestern

    lacsap just posted about a German nuke leak on the discussion thread.


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  • arclight arclight

    “These dots correspond to a very weak radioactivity: less than 100 nSv / h. Appeared from November 1, and remain today.”

    well i see them dropping to sixty and going up to 130.. and more monitors are currently showing high.. oh well of to the discussion thread!


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