Prime Minister: Japan will build more nuke plants

Published: December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm ET
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Title: Abe: New N-plants to be built
Source: The Yomiuri Shimbun
Date: Jan. 1, 2013 (h/t HoTaters)

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has stated unequivocally for the first time that his government will endorse the construction of new nuclear power plants, while seeking to win over the public on this issue. [...]

“Any new nuclear plant would be completely different from the old Fukushima No. 1 plant, which was constructed 40 years ago,” Abe said. “We will build new nuclear power plants and seek to win the people’s understanding.” [...]

See also: Businessweek: “Japanese power-company stocks that rallied after the [election] may struggle to sustain gains because of public opposition to restarting atomic plants”

Published: December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm ET
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65 comments to Prime Minister: Japan will build more nuke plants

  • razzz razzz

    Brilliant! A frigg'in genius.

    Throw Daiichi under the bus for being old and failed technology, overlook any storage issues for spent fuels, ignore the fallout clouds everyone is enveloped in and act like earthquakes never move the earth he's standing on. US approved.


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  • markww markww

    HEY PRIME MINISTER YOU ARE ALREADY MURDERING THE WHOLE WORLD AND NOW YOU WANT TO BUILD MORE NUKE PLANTS YOU NEED TO GO LOOK INSIDE UNITS 1 -3 AND SEE HOW DANGEROUS YOUR THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS ARE.

    MARKWW


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  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    So right Mark! It's just total stupidity! It's very upsetting to hear also.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      I hope in my next reincarnation I find myself, far far far far far away from Earth and Mankind. What an absurdity Man has made of our lives. There, I put it out to the Universe.


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      • richard richard

        hi Anthony, i like Earth a whole lot, so I'd prefer to stick to the neighbourhood. It's the 'Mankind' thing that's the thing to avoid for me ;)

        Now, Womankind, that I could live with ;) Certainly not enough in my life.


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        • aigeezer aigeezer

          richard, I have on my wall an old Charles Schulz cartoon in which Linus is holding his blanket, sucking his thumb and saying "I love mankind… It's people I can't stand."

          I don't know if Schulz cartoons made it to Oz, but it looks like the sentiment crosses national boundaries easily.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz


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          • Maggie123

            In same vein as Gandhi's reported reply to "What do you think of Western civilization?" He's supposed to have said: "I think it would be a good idea".


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            • richard richard

              And nuclear safety, and military intelligence, and decontamination. ;)


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            • Radio VicFromOregon

              Yes, it would be! ;-) Funny how people can think that people never grow, never change their minds, never gain new insights. The many changes and transformations that Mahatma Gandhi purposefully undertook to arrive at his teachings of conscientious nonviolent resistance is quite remarkable, but, in the end, doable by each and all. He changed so much in a time of ever growing turmoil. His own desire to use violence as a means to stop violence evolved into a public renunciation of violence and his commitment to use pacifism as the path to obtain peace. He was willing to die for his conviction and he did. He was often threatened from many quarters who found his pacifism frightening along with his public appeal. Few Westerners know that he knew of his assailant but refused to stop his march that day. The same man had tried just a few days earlier with a knife and was released from jail. He was given a gun and completed his task hoping he had just removed the obstacle to war between India and Pakistan by killing Gandhi. He wrote 3 books in jail trying to explain to the world why it was necessary to kill Gandhi.


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  • "…seek to win the people’s understanding"

    = Lie to the world again!

    Fukushima,
    Chernobyl,
    Three Mile Island,
    Simi-Valley,
    (too many to list)
    …never forget!


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  • aigeezer aigeezer

    "… his government will endorse the construction of new nuclear power plants, while seeking to win over the public on this issue."

    Does anyone anywhere still think that any government follows the will of its people? If so…

    “I hope we once again have reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There’s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.” — Ronald Reagan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uls9R742pvQ


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The Prime Minister is putting the final nail in the coffin of his people.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Sounds like a good idea, huh?


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  • Why does he want to build more nuke plants… there is going to be a huge decrease in population in his country in the next few years. They could probably get by with just one windmill by then ;)


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  • Things are getting so bat shit crazy lately it's starting to get funny – you know, like when you are dreaming and you realize you are dreaming, and so you do crazy stuff – only the crazy shit is being done by others. I think I may be trapped in a weird alternate universe. Let me off this ride!!!


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      like that avatar-graphic, JHewes76…


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Reality is often stranger than the weirdest fiction…

      Certainly, nuclear power fits that definition

      Trasmutation

      Secrecy

      Cover ups

      Huge transfers of wealth

      Killing or injuring billions of people globally

      'Science'

      Science fiction

      Hero worship

      Sacred cows


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    • HoTaters

      I hear you, JHewes76. As we used to say in my younger years, "Beam me up, Scottie, there's no intelligent life here."

      It's enough to make one believe what's written on the Georgia Guidestones is being implemented now (de-population agenda).

      http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-georgia-guidestones/

      Rule #1 of the 10 rules inscribed there:

      "Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."

      Need I say more? The architects at work behind the scenes are bat guano crazy, they really are. They seem to think they can just go underground and live like mole people, or just migrate to Mars and escape the mess they've helped to create. They openly state one of their goals is to cause mutation of the human genome. So I expect they're getting their wish, in spades. The Creator is not amused, and I suspect long-term plans to live underground, etc., will fail. Did these people learn nothing from "mythical" Babel?


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  • homeenergyexpert homeenergyexpert

    This guy is a stooge for the Nuke Pac Lobby and he and his party are responsible for these old death traps. What do you expect, when they blocked on-line elections and made it damn near impossible for a anti-nuke candidate to be running and elected. Hell, it's a crime to post negative things on Nuclear power which can incite riot and panic. They arrested the experts so you could not even mention the problem and they shut down free speech for candidates before elections. Just imagine what would happen here!


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Brainwashing and stilted surveys = seeking the understanding of the public.


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  • aigeezer aigeezer

    This newsletter clipping seems to fit the Abe announcement:

    "That’s the real problem with statism. All its various machinations are, in one way or another, inherently prescriptive. You try to mind your own business. You try to live a quiet and decent life…but there’s always someone telling you there’s a better way: their way. Oh, and they’ll be needing your money and/or person to make it happen."

    http://dailyreckoning.com/no-consent-required-how-the-state-exploits-ignorance-and-complacency/

    The Japanese, like most of us, "threw the rascals out" in their recent election and now find themselves back under the yoke of the rascals they threw out the time before.

    Voting is consenting to be governed, as they will now rediscover.

    Nasty stuff ahead.


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  • Johnny Blade

    A bullet or well-placed blade is too good for "Dishonest Abe" & his nuke puke entourage!!~I hope & pray that this piece of feces wrapped in human skin suffers a thousand times worse than my wife & others already dying from the actions & policies of that walking turd spewing almost as much bullshit as his favorite depopulation facilities/method does fatal doses of radiation!! Like Lori @ Fukushima Diary said it best;"This is still 2011,it'll ALWAYS be 2011 until Fukushima stops irradiating Japan & the rest of the planet" -Just the same,I wanna wish all of my friends & Admin BEST WISHES & HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Take Care ALL!! :)


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  • patb2009

    well a few things to bear in mind.

    1) Abe won't last a year, on average Japanese PMs only last 18 months. Well nowadays, Japan is well and truly F&*cked, it's a matter of recycling the old F&*ktards, until people remember how F&*ked these guys were. Japan has had what? 17 adminsitrations in 24 years?

    of that, one guy went 5 years,

    2) Abe has had health problems. he had explosive diarrhea and unless he wants to govern from the toilet, he won't last 6 months.

    3) the Japanese political system is very busted. It's a number of years to approve new plants and in reality, the japanese are shrinking, they are losing population, and post fukushima it's just worse.
    as the population shrinks and Solar PV gets cheaper, they will need less nuclear power.

    This is all old and dying.


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    • Johnny Blade

      @patb;I almost fell outta my chair laughing when I read your report on old dishonest Abe's chronic runs!LOL!~GOOD!!-how fitting since he seems to speak from the lips on the south end & everything coming outta him smells the same anyway! I don't know whether I want to send him a box of Depends or bars of ex-lax re-wrapped in Hershey bar wrappers now?!!lol! Maybe the diaper would muffle his voice & all the sh_t he talks?! He'd probably "test" the "special" candy bars on someones baby or sell them for a profit-EVEN if he knew it was a product that would cause someone to get sick-it wouldn't be the first or last time his actions or agenda harmed others!(?) I have to call the "Mythbuster's"TV Show now to let them know I know of "living proof" that "Yes,it really is possible for a person to "sh_t their brains out"!!~I hope his finger goes thru the toilet paper every time he sits on his "throne"!LOL!


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  • waterbug

    To condemn one is to condemn all. These decisions are not unilateral.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    More nuclear plants? …that's preposterous.

    Only an idiot, or severely ill-informed one, would consider such a stupid thing.


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  • Fukslow

    japan builds more nuclear plants i will personally go to japan and kill the prime minister theses stupid fucks think they can get away with this they will learn the hard way


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  • Sickputer

    The problem with radiation poisoning influencing government decisions is that millions of people may be ill in Japan, but the deaths have been too few to influence other nuclear powers to consider dismantling their nuclear plants. Even Japan's officials are now waffling from their original shutdowns.

    Maybe if 30 million Tokyoites were now deceased we would see some of the nuclear powers shutter the plants. But do we really expect even a massive death figure would stop China, India, or Russia? Probably not. They attribute the mess in Japan to stupid human error and reason they can prevent a similar event in their own country.

    Plus, it's not just about the electricity needs. That has always been an excuse. The real desire is to "protect" their country with lots of nuclear weapons and nuclear plants are needed to do that.

    There will be more nuclear plants completed in many countries. There will also almost assuredly one day be a nuclear war somewhere. Maybe from Israel, maybe Pakistan, or maybe just rogue rebels somewhere.

    The deaths of several billion humans from radiation (plant disasters or war weapons) will just be an inevitable progression of the surging evolution of mankind. Idiots will thin the numbers and destroy land and resources for the survivors. There is a Future Shock approaching and many nations will be thrown into turmoil. A Mad Max world may be the legacy we leave to our descendants.


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  • ProfitOfDoom ProfitOfDoom

    Japan is doomed, along with all life on this planet … nuclear power has sealed our fate … $$POD$$


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  • Sol Man

    Fate sealed, but some have accumulated massive amounts of money with grandiose feelings of self-import. I'll pass you in the ether.


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  • dfong63

    "the new nukes will be safer." same thing they said after chernobyl. got an idea for you mr abe. if nuclear power is so great, prove it by FIRST cleaning up the mess from fukushima daiichi and chernobyl. what's that, you can't clean it up?? then shut up until you can.


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  • "Saikado Hantai" = NO to restart!!!

    Scream it, shout it, print it, memorize it.

    Repeat as many times as necessary.

    Saikado Hantai
    NO to restart

    Saikado Hantai
    NO to restart

    Saikado Hantai
    NO to restart…


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Money is the only concern, the rest is trivial. GREED KILLS!


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  • @dosdos: I don't get it… what good is money if we all all extinct?


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  • The must impose UN sanctions on Japan so that the world boycotts Japanese goods and disallows imports into Japan. This must be because already Japan has caused transboundary irreversible radionuclide contamination and contamination of the biosphere. Japan must be tried at the ICJ for crimes against all life for all time including the coming generations. It must be done now by the comity of nations.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    PM Abe is a dreamer – last time I checked, Japan's debt level was 220% of the yearly budget.
    Nuclear investors are withdrawing from many nuclear newbuilds worldwide.
    I can't imagine anyone with a functioning calculator to invest billions in Japan right now.

    I'm staying cool :-)
    Happy New Year everyone!


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Happy New Years – and I hope you are right!


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      B&B, in such situations, public money rather than private money is usually committed. I don't think private investors have ever backed nuke without some form of coercion. Abe can print money.

      Also, as I understand the world, it's not debt level that will stop them, not directly at least. If it were, several nation states would have collapsed already. Rather, it's the slightly different entity "credit level". As long as key players continue to pretend that everything is ok, then debt levels can keep rising.

      These cycles usually end by bondholders suddenly pulling out, regardless of the actual debt level at a particular moment. Historically, bondholders have pulled out at the kinds of debt levels you cite, but so far it isn't happening. It will – inevitably – perhaps tomorrow, perhaps not for years. If there is any warning, it will take the form of sudden sharp rises in sovereign bond rates for one or more nation-states.

      My point is just that it will take a kind of bondholder herd mood-change, rather than a specific numeric amount of debt. We won't be able to say "it will blow up when a particular debt ratio is reached." The situation is thus even worse – more volatile – as a result, because it depends on mass psychology rather than arithmetic.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Aigeezer, if you are right, then i fear there is no hope, so let's hope your possible scenario does not come to pass and that we can get enough rate payers out of their passivity for some, or their sense of powerlessness for others, and start taking small, simple direct actions that add up to shutting these plants down and putting an end to the insane idea of creating nuclear power where people and all life live.


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        • aigeezer aigeezer

          VFO, good point about the ratepayers, that's an important component also.

          I think there is no hope for some/many/most of the current nation-state structures to survive financially, and of course that could entail plenty of turmoil, but at arm's length – nation-states come and go routinely.

          Without big subsidies, the nuke plants would never get built, but without monthly ratepayer billing they couldn't keep operating, so the industry is vulnerable in at least those two places. More chillingly, without some kind of massive subsidies, apparently they can never be decommissioned safely (or so we are told).

          Messy stuff, but I had been thinking mainly of the nation-state subsidy side of things, rather than the ratepayer issue or the decommissioning issue.

          So, the good news might be that their funding will dry up from either nation-state collapse or ratepayer revolt and the bad news might be that the things cannot be safely dismantled without massive public funding.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      All good points on BnB's insights, but, i lean towards her assessment coming from a country that just cancelled its nuke program ;-) Aigezeer, your are right, the bond holders may still invest, and i'd add that some will protect themselves and buy hedge funds and take winnings on their losing stock. But, the RATE PAYERS, the people that really keep nuclear plants alive and running through rates, fees and taxes, may not be so inclined. We closed 5 plants here in the PNW, 2 running and 3 being built based on the scenario of bond holders investing and rate payers overpaying and bailing out the investors, and it was the public ire that shut them down once they understood it was a financial loss for them and not actually a source of cheap electricity. Getting that message out, i think, is perhaps more important than telling people about the dangers. People think they can survive radiation, but, few are happy about paying more for their utilities than they would on some other system. Odd priorities, those, but, it's how it is.


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      • aigeezer aigeezer

        Makes sense, VFO, and sometimes a notion that starts up in one jurisdiction can take hold and spread quickly.

        I'm actually very optimistic long-term, but expecting some short-term ugliness, and at my age short-term is more relevant than it used to be. As one fictional character put it, we reach an age where we don't buy green bananas any more.


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  • Fukslow

    thanks breadandbutter and i hope you right too


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  • weeman

    In Ontario Canada my hydro bill includes a debt retirement charge of $25.24 a month, why is a rate payer made to pay for there fiscal mistakes, we get the shaft and they get the gold mine.


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  • Unknown Unknown

    This is just more evidence that Abe is one of the less intelligent dinosaurs that still rule over Japanese politics. In the 60’s, Nuclear plants were a very good way to secure votes. In Japan there is basically only one city that makes money, Tokyo. From Tokyo money is funneled to other cities, towns, and villages across Japan. As you can imagine, it is in the interest of these outlying populations to do whatever they can to increase this yearly payout. This is what Abe means by “win the people’s understanding”. So over the 50 years that the LDP (Abe’s party) were in power every conceivable scheme was adopted to trade money for votes. The nuclear industry is just one of these. Japan’s heavily government subsidized nuclear industry pays enormous sums of money to any population centers that are near their nuclear plants. Since these people know that this money originated with the government, they must become pro-nuclear and pro LDP to ensure that the money flow they are now totally dependent upon does not get turned off. But, times have changed and the people have seen what happens when they loss this bet. Abe will not last because he offers nothing new. He is just repeating the steps his party made in the pre-bubble economy in hopes that they will have the same outcome today. Pitiful.
    [ Cool Japan ]


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