Professor: “Fukushima spillage affects the life of the world ocean”; Must have very careful control of all Pacific seafood without exception — Gov’t Scientist: “It is a huge question” — Biologist: “The public wants to know… People think there’s a conspiracy”

Published: February 6th, 2014 at 3:17 pm ET


Professor Alexey Yablokov, advisor at the Russian Academy of Sciences, Feb. 6, 2014: “Fukushima spillage affects the life of the world ocean. I see no other way out other than to establish a constant and very careful radiation control of all seafood caught in the Pacific Ocean without exception”.

Steven Manley, marine biologist at CSU Long Beach, Feb. 5, 2014: “The public wants to know […] Whenever you deal with radioactivity there’s a real sensitivity. People get scared. […] People think there’s a conspiracy […] We want to alleviate some of that.”

Laura Rogers-Bennett, California Department of Fish and Wildlife environmental scientist, Feb. 5, 2014: “It is a huge question.”

Pete Kalvass, a Department of Fish and Wildlife marine biologist in Fort Bragg, Feb. 5, 2014: “There’s a lot of misinformation out there.”

Perhaps this is what Kalvass was referring to?

  • Wendy Hopkins, California Department of Public Health, Feb. 5, 2014: “There are no health and safety concerns to California residents […] [We’ve] not seen nor heard of any data that suggests any abnormal radiation levels in sea kelp off the California coast.” — See Scientific American: “Giant kelp collected in the ocean off [California] after the March, 2011 accident [had] radioactive iodine [at] 250-fold higher than levels found in kelp before.”
  • Santa Rosa Press-Democrat, Feb. 5, 2014: Fukushima’s crippled reactors are still leaking tainted water, at a rate of 300 tons – nearly 72,000 gallons – a day, according to a National Geographic report last year. The Pacific Ocean, with 187 quintillion gallons (187 with 18 zeroes) of water, dilutes Fukushima’s discharge. — The amount has been revised to 400 tons per day, according to the Japan Times;  The claim that the radionuclides will be diluted by the entire 187 quintillion gallons of water in the Pacific on it’s way to the West Coast is routinely heard in one-sided  ‘news’ articles. Yet, the radionuclides travel a relatively narrow path across the Pacific and will only be diluted by a very small fraction of the 187 quintillion gallons.

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Published: February 6th, 2014 at 3:17 pm ET


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    "People think there is a conspiracy." Oh, yes, and we have very, very good reasons for thinking that. Like NRC and DOE statements released under FOIA, data gathered when the govt. didn't do its job, BRAWN Lab's reporting of radionuclide levels in food, air, water, studies of radioactive iodine in Central and Southern California kelp, the statement of President Obama there was nothing to be concerned about, blanket assurances from EPA and Cal EPA, CA Dept. of Public Health there was nothing to be concerned about, ad nauseum. Yes, there's a conspiracy! It's obvious. And yes, we are conspiracy THEORISTS and this isn't an hypothesis formulated by a bunch of ignorami.

    You're so right, we think there's a conspiracy. And we have proven it. How about a look at the e-mail transcripts from DOE, NRC, and government in England, Great Britain in the first week after 3/11. Hmmn?

    These turkeys are going to have to answer for this mindless drivel they're reporting, sooner or later. As one 'newser put it in 2011,

    "synaptic drivel spews forth"

    Sorry, I'm in full on sarc mode today. These people treat us with so much disrespect it's really, really irritating. What a bunch of mindless, thoughtless drivel and befuddlement. That befuddlement is really contagious. I think the media folks are particularly susceptible to it.

    • digitalaardvarks digitalaardvarks

      it really does insult one's intelligence and helps people not to believe us. conspiracy of silence and stupidity. would be amusing if it wasn't so dangerous.

      • Has anyone noticed that on Wikipedia, there is not SINGLE reference to bio concentration of bio magnification of radiation anywhere?

        Curious, curiouser.. what are the odds that no one has submitted this?

        Could someone have deleted all of this? Is it possible to delete something and not have it reinstated?

        • or-well

          Dr. Goodheart, I just took a quick look.
          There are entries for bioaccumulation and biomagnification but I didn't see radiation mentioned.

        • or-well

          So what I was going to say twice and forgot was Yes, those references to radiation may have been edited out, or may keep being edited out, but what little I know of the process is that if there are references a citizen editor should be able to edit info back in.

        • razzz razzz

          Man made radiation includes such a broad subject matter, that it requires its own heading and a multitude of sub headings and subjects. Historical, Industrial, medical, agricultural, militaristic, political, environmental, biological down to the DNA level, monetary, scientific, theoretical, etc., and that is only a few that I can think of.

          Not that Wiki ignores nuclear fallout and its biomagnification/bioaccumulation/bioconcentration as those are buried in Wiki articles in various places but not as a main topic.

        • We Not They Finally

          "Missing" Wikipedia entries? My, my. Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for google, twitter, facebook, Comcast.

    • Homolumina Homolumina – check the book – it lays it all out…

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Homolumina, 🙂 Yes, for sure, the world is now in the process of being exterminated and since you can only see the ongoing Nuclear extermination protocol in the increasing cancer numbers…nobody seems to care. 🙁

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      HT.. 🙂

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Ho-Taters…the Radnet data at the EPA is where they are hiding the information in plain site…each quarter the testing reports show I-131, C-137, Strontium, Tritium in milk, drinking water…Air Filters showing Plutonium 238, 239 Cesium nuclides et al…. Dec. 2013 reports: Iodine-131 in California milk, drinking water…have they told parents? Of course not….

      The nuclear cartel re: the public: "Let them eat Yellow cake"

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Woh! Did you catch this from the Santa Rosa Press Democrat newspaper?

    "Santa Rosa Press-Democrat, Feb. 5, 2014: Fukushima’s crippled reactors are still leaking tainted water, at a rate of 300 tons – nearly 72,000 gallons – a day, according to a National Geographic report last year. The Pacific Ocean, with 187 quintillion gallons (187 with 18 zeroes) of water, dilutes Fukushima’s discharge, and models of the radioactive plume indicate that much of it will wind up in the North Pacific Gyre, the circular flow that traps the Great Pacific garbage patch."

    (See above.) How many tons is that?

    • razzz razzz

      Ocean weighs = 778,855,000,000,000,000 (quadrillion) tons assuming a ton weighs 2,000 pounds and water weighs 8.33 pounds (freshwater) but saltwater weighs more and the weight of both freshwater and saltwater is debatable. The article used the weight of water at 8.33 pounds and 2,000 pounds in a ton to arrive at the 72,000 gallons.

      • utahruss utahruss

        Hey Radioactive Russ, “How many gallons of water are in the 400 Tons of Fukushima Radioactive Water being released into the Pacific Ocean every day?”

        ANSWER:Depends which unit of TONS you are referring to and also is it seawater or fresh= I will calculate with sea water, as that is the liquid claimed to be used to spray into the reactors doe cooling (haha)

        Sea Water @ 77F Density 1021.98
        400 Tonnes (metric ton) into Gallons (US)
        For substance with density: 1021.98 oz/gal [US]
        Result: 103,396.17305941 gallons per day x # of days already released and how many more days into the future?

        400 Tonnes (US Short ton) into Gallons (US)
        For substance with density: 1021.98 oz/gal [US]
        Result: 93,799.430373899 gallons per day x # of days already released and how many more days into the future?

        A Ton is a Unit of weight. A Ton is a Unit of capacity as well, used for measuring ships i.e. 100 cubic feet.

        The above calculations performed at

  • Nick

    Admin: I think Kalvass was referring to this type of misinformation.

    "Fukushima had a disastrous nuclear meltdown on March 11, 2011, when a 9.0 earthquake hit Japan and caused a tsunami wave to slam into the power plant. "

    I was led to believe that it was the quake….

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Nick, we've pretty much established here (and many Enenews articles agree same, I think Gunderson has made this statement), the earthquake disrupted the cooling, and the process leading to meltdowns had already begun before the tsunami struck.

      The reason the NRC, JEA, and GE, Hitachi & Co. don't want it known the conditions leading meltdowns began to occur prior to the tsunami, is that would indicate the containment structures and safeguards were inadequate to prevent serious accidents. Their collective position was it was statistically impossible for that to occur. That meltdowns could occur just on the basis of earthquake damage and ground movement alone points out serious flaws in the Mark I reactor design and safeguards.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        If I'm not mistaken, Nick, there was already inadequate coolant in some of the structures because of the fracturing of various components of the containment structures, and around the spent fuel pools. But I'll need someone else here to help me corroborate this.

        Admin, can you address this question?

      • utahruss utahruss

        At high temperatures the absorber rod will deform or balloon and locally contact the Zircaloy guide tube. As a result of chemical interactions, the stainless steel cladding of the absorber rod will fail. The released molten (Ag,In, Cd) absorber alloy will then attack the Zircaloy of the guide tube and fuel rods and dissolve (liquefy) it much below its melting point[1]. The absorber rods in Boiling Water Reactors (BWR) consist of boron carbide (B4C) pellets or B4C powder in thin walled stainless steel tubes. The absorber rods are contained in a four-bladed stainless steel assembly. Four fuel rod bundles, each surrounded by a Zircaloy flow channel box arranged around the cross-shaped control element (Figure 1).
        The boron carbide/stainless steel system is not stable thermodynamically, ie. chemical interactions have to be expected to take place. Under normal reactor operation conditions the limited chemical interactions between B4C and stainless steel can be tolerated.

        But the question is how the absorber rods behave chemically at temperatures beyond 1000°C which have to be assumed to prevail in severe reactor accidents.

        Didn't Arnie say that the "Zircoloy Water Reaction" has to be at temperatures ABOVE 2200 degrees?

        Published "PEER REVIEWED" papers VERIFY that spent fuel containers Boron Carbide Stainless Steel Zircoloy and Zirconium will begin the MELTDOWN PROCESS at temperatures well below the normal liquification temperatures, because the meltdown is NOT…

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Ah, they say 300 tons a day. A figure consistently underreported.

    • The SOP is deny 99% and admit 1%, so you can most likely multiply anything they say by 99 and get close to the truth.

      400 tons X 100 = 40,000 tons a day

      What kind of underground river flows under Fuku with only 400 tons of water going under it in 24 hours?

      Possible, but unlikely.

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Unlikely is probably correct.

        72000 g/day= 50 g/minute

        A kitchen sink flows 2 g/minute

        Do you really believe the flow into the ocean is = to 25 sinks?

        I do not.

        Why would they f around with an ice wall?

        A 50 g/min pump costs less than $500

        They have massive ground flow + ever increasing cooling water losses.

        They hang themselves with their own BS

  • Nick

    In our new world……. Bananas=Radiation, no worry.

    Talk about misinformation.

  • Nick

    HoTaters: That's why I tagged it as misinformation to think the tsunami did the deed.

  • More obfuscation. Doesn't matter about radiation off the coast of the Pacific. It's what is in the tuna caught in the middle of the ocean. Bio-accumulation. Never mentioned in these "expert" conversations.

  • Nick

    Dear all,

    I just logged out and couldn't log in until i made the mistake of typing my pw into user name (whereupon it's visible)

    I know I am a target for the nuclear industry. My voice must be silenced!

    At this point, I don't care. Fukushima is more than a crazy bat-shit old man ranting about the end of times.

    That said, anyone testing the snow in the Sierras? Our focus on the Pacific is good but we need other data as well.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      "I just logged out and couldn't log in until i made the mistake of typing my pw into user name (whereupon it's visible)" Nick, don't understand comment. Please clarify.

    • bo bo

      Hey nick, strangely, in the past couple of weeks I've had this thing where I keep getting logged out of this site. I used to have myself logged in so I can post whenever I like but now somehow, even though I never log myself out, I'm logged out. So it adds one more step to the process of posting.

      I probably over post here so it's just as well to put a bit of a buffer to my big mouth, but, strange, that changed in the past few weeks.

  • Nick

    i goofed and typed my pw in the user name (hence it became READABLE)

  • Cisco Cisco

    Don't rock the boat boys and girls; we don't want to miss out any of that good government and industry funding that's providing those raises and bonuses.

    Not to worry, our lords have muzzled the MSM, and the GP learns nothing.

  • Nick

    after which i was able to login

    I suspect this as an intentional trap

    clarified enuf SykeWar?

  • Nick

    Until the world tests all Japanese goods for radiation I will not sleep well at night. Pacific testing is all well in good but let's actually get real here folks.

    ANYTHING from Japan has to be tested. That goes from electronics to tea.

    • Don't forget all metal products, like cars…

      Whatever happened to all of the radioactive cars for miles around Fuku, when #3 blew its guts out?

      Fire trucks, dump trucks, employee vehicles, nearby towns filled with cars.. all got high level radiation.

      What happened to them all?

      At least around Chernobyl, these all ended up in a nuclear waste dump. A huge field, covered in vehicles, still in existence today outside of Pripiat.

  • Ontological Ontological

    Moved many places. every time I do, I find the whole damn world is a conspiracy, wake up.

  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

    Looks like the Russian scientists are actually taking it waaaay more seriously than the american ones.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      They're not under the pressure to preserve a lie as much as the capitalists are. Not to say there wasn't some sweeping under the rug, but it's on a smaller scale. Our supposed equal rights PC crap causes and hides more problems than it solves.

    • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

      Why arent the Koreans and the Chinese raising hell? Surely they are getting covered in fuku fallout and plumage?

      • razzz razzz

        China and Korea have their own nuclear leaky power plants and can't say to much but action speak louder than words when they ban Japanese imports of food and products that were dusted or exposed to fallout. Be like the pot calling the kettle black.

        A fine line to walk for the nuclear industry where in their minds the Daiichi event is over but at the same time still in a dangerous progression. Ambivalence.

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Personally I am not confident that anything I know and have read about Fukushima is certain. I notice people shy away from considering that Stuxnet played a part, but it did in Iran. It might have. In the meantime I have a completely open mind to alternative suggestions, because I can see with a technical matter how easy it is to dissimulate. We do not know the condition of the reactors prior to the earthquake (I do think one occurred but was it really a 9?). TEPCO is not reliable. We do know that. All corporations lie as corporations have no ethics. The most pertinent question is why Japan has taken such a casual attitude towards this fiasco? Quite the opposite of the Soviet Union after Tchernobyl. It does not add up.

    • It does add up. Reasons why it adds up?

      1. Protect the nuclear industry; deny everything bad.

      2. Protect profits, by minimizing everything including radiation released.

      3. Protect honor, a Japanese thing.. historical.

      4. Pride; huge in Japan. right behind honor system

      5. Politeness; no one talks about anything negative because they are squeezed into a small country and it forces them to be 'polite' and nice, never admitting to anything negative, as it might be bad for ????

      6. Pressure; from US, GE, nuclear industry, mass media, 1%.. don't talk about it. Keep it QUIET.

      7. Makes them look bad; no one wants to be told they failed. So it is easier to make everyone involved look like a hero, and a success all around, despite this causing a cover up.

      Bingo… it all lines up.

    • deaddolphins simonhhh

      Capt Nemo…exactly…
      Somebody said here that "these were the accepted events that were the cause" and we all accept this to be true? [sic]

      Just like "911"…nothing can be accepted as the "cause"…a false flag for sure, a conspiracy for sure, a monumental cover-up and white wash of the facts…absolutely

      But to say now this is now the "accepted cause" and "we all agree"
      …definitely not and stupid to say otherwise…

      • deaddolphins simonhhh

        By the way…my new avatar is a picture of dead protected "minke whales" slaughtered and lying on the back of a stinking Jap Whaler
        Its called "Scientific Research" [SIC]

        • deaddolphins simonhhh

          By the way…if the whales and all sea life is left unprotected and destroyed…this current civilization is finished [ELE]

    • razzz razzz

      How can a computer virus infect your programming when you are in a station blackout? Besides that, Daiichi was built in the 60's and 70's and used analog devices, not touchscreens and mouse clicks, it was pre-Windows. Before the rad hardened central control room had to be evacuates due to radiation exposure, a few operators using flashlights were writing down critical readings (pressures and temperatures) from dials and gauges before fleeing. These were the only known status readings because of the station blackout. The actual recorded readings up until the station blackout or when battery or auxiliary power ceased or before the reactors started blowing up, are on radioactive contaminated paper pin-feed printouts that have to be recovered and decontaminated or handled as contaminated to be read.

      Don't think the general public will ever see the archives of conditions leading up to station blackout, when the transmission tower fell over during the quake. The monitoring equipment couldn't read the actual radiation levels there were so high, peg the meters.

      Station blackout and your valves fail in what positions? Did they even have time or power to go to default positions or were they randomly in various and unknown positions to the operators? Main valves had to be turned manually by brave workers when decisions were made to attempt to control the reactors.

    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      I thought I read here that it could not be the suxnet because it's a different operating system in japan , different plant something like that

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Whatever went on, the fact is they still do not have computer control over the plants. They were knocked out in the Tsunami. That is why the SFP4 removal is a farce, because it has to be done manually which is next to impossible.

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    "[We've] not seen nor heard of any data that suggests any abnormal radiation levels in sea kelp off the California coast.”


    WHAT is of concern RIGHT NOW IS, and proves this asshats BS to be what it is, are the readings that are being reported here NOW by our Canada friend, and on the netc site in japan.

    WHAT is coming from china that is HIGHLY RADIOACTIVE RIGHT NOW???


    Here is the Canada report and THIS large dose is headed across Canada and towards the east coast NOW! IT IS ALERT LEVEL AND SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY NOW!!!,4.msg9.html#msg9

    Here is the netc site that stupidly uses a "n" instead of a "u" TO FURTHER CONFUSE PEOPLE.






  • Field report– Hawaii

    after 4 days of fairly consistent rain, 38 CPM. Hawaii is normally 25 CPM and consistent.

    Hawaii is in middle of ocean, we don't get radon washout.

    this is as high as I have seen on a long term average count, although have seen higher short term peaks

    Hawaii is Fuku'd

    I took a 1 gallon ocean water sample and am currently boiling it off and will Geiger the residue, I will report back here.

  • antipodes

    Indeed rock and roll stars should be encouraged to step forward to speak and sing about the Fukushima situation as David Crosby. Movie stars, authors of books and influential people of all communication venues should be contacted, presented information and appealed to. I can think of many more people that may be of help in conveying the message. Gorden Summner (Sting) sang of the flaws of nuclear power in the 1980s. Paul McCarthy, Ringo, Neil Young, Steven Stills, Grahm Nash, Bruce Springstein, Bob Dylan, Merrl Streep, Julia Roberts, Richard Geer, Robert Redford, Oliver Stone, and authors of all types, to name a few. Any connections that way? Thank you all!

    • poindexter

      Everyone can make comments about Fukushima and ENEnews on the rock-and-rollers' Facebook accounts.

      With their millions of Facebook fans, this is one of quickest and easiest ways to raise awareness.

  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered


    I keep thinking where is James Cameron?
    He is like, mr. Ocean man!

    We need to get him involved!

  • rogerthat

    One wonders whether stuff from California needs to be tested? Whether people shouldn't be seriously warned to wash fresh fruit and veggies really, really well? I don't know, but the subject has been a worry when out shopping ever since 3/11. If give or take 800 tonnes of nuclear core exploded, caught fire, melted down and entered the atmosphere over a period of a week in march 2011, and the jet stream gets stuff from japan to america and canada in three days, it must end up somewhere.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Cameron is in deep with Woods Hole.
    Don't look for answers from him.

    James Cameron donates Deepsea Challenger submarine to science

    Film-maker and explorer hands one-man craft that plunged him to Pacific Ocean's deepest point to oceanographic institute
    March 26 2013

  • Alpha1

    Really, really radionuclide particles do not dilute once again they are BSing the public. Atomics' 101 Radiated particles do not dilute in water they increase. Any radiated particle that hits another radiates that particle and increases the actual volume of particulate matter in the system per volume. Who the fuck are these idiots and how did they get masters in Bull shit.

    I can say only this if you evaluate any of this as actual truth you are also an idiot there-fore get educated before speaking out of turn!!!!!

  • Nick

    What will the world "see" on 3/11/14?

    My own personal hope is that enough folks will actually spend sometime getting up to speed about Fukushima and make their own conclusions.

    The reality will actually be more spin and shill.

    IF the former, mass riots.

    If the latter, yawn.

  • Nick

    I can say with certainty that you and I will NEVER be told the truth about Fukushima.

    That alone should wake up more of you slumbering fools, everywhere.

    For those awake, no offense meant.

    I grow weary about debating how bad Fukushima is. It sucks. No way around it. Just accept that fact and love while you can.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    People are testing and finding radiation. The emerging technology will be more sensitive detectors that are affordable.

  • Shaker1

    Meanwhile, from Enformable:

    "The United States Environmental Protection Agency is soliciting public comments while it updates its Environmental Radiation Protection Standards for Nuclear Power Operations; which was issued before Fukushima Daiichi, Chernobyl, and Three Mile Island, in January of 1977.

    "The EPA is requesting information on exposure limits, dose calculations, release limits for radioactive substances, spent fuel storage, protection of water resources, and environmental standards for new fuel cycle technologies."

    Comments will be accepted for the next 120 days at the website under Docket ID No. EPA–HQ–OAR–2013–0689.

    • Tedd Tedd

      The United States Environmental Protection Agency is soliciting public comments while it updates its Environmental Radiation Protection Standards for Nuclear Power.

      Yeah, that must be why they shut down RAD monitoring on the west coast in 2011.

      Because they need information.

      SOS different day. The EPA doesn't give a shit about the health of Americans. We are useless eaters.

      More likely, the EPA and NSA need information on you.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        ""The EPA is requesting information on exposure limits, dose calculations, release limits for radioactive substances, spent fuel storage, protection of water resources, and environmental standards for new fuel cycle technologies."

        This is an info gathering situation..
        They are asking for specific data.
        They are gathering data for free..and the names and info on those that know it/have it.

        • Shaker1

          Of course, Heart. One can't expect to conjecturally comment as we might do here and be taken seriously. But we can, as Anne and most of us do at times, cite other experts and sources, comment with links to papers and information that is available and might be in opposition to what's accepted now. I don't see the harm in letting them know there's awareness and that someone is watching. As a matter of fact, that was the reason that I linked the article at all. If all they're going to get is 'experts' who will take the time, they won't have too much to pay attention to. I can imagine that there are impacts attendant to these limits, such as liability, that those familiar with law might make.

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            There are some that think interaction with the EPA..might be fruitful.
            What are they going to do with the info..turn around and tell the truth to the people?

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              EPA is a joke..always has been. SImply a pay to play agency…

              • Shaker1

                One quote that I've particularly liked through the years is from George Bernard Shaw:

                "To be cynical is a sin, but it's rarely a mistake."

                I personally believe that; am known as a cynic. But we live in a world of compromise that no version of god that I've seen could violate. When one creates light and something to enlighten, there is an attendant shadow. There is a way to minimize the shadow. Move the light directly overhead from one's perspective. Excuse my observation, and realize that it comes from observing myself, but the cynic is ALWAYS disassociated, standing to the side. The perspective never changes and if it does change it's never directly from their impetus. The shadow will always be large.

                The EPA has done some good things, despite the obvious onslaught of those opposed since its inception. It may be worse now than it's ever been but there was never a free pass for their rules and regulations, even from those who might see the value in those, but their political philosophy opposes the organization on those grounds. (I think they're more intellectually challenged than the cynic, but that's OT.)

                Maybe Trotsky was right, and revolutions need to be continual. My cynicism tells me that attempting to make the EPA into something more honest might just be a revolutionary action.

                Just some thoughts…

      • Shaker1

        Tedd, with all respect, I don't think that it's a pertinent fact that the EPA will gather information from an act such as this. In all honesty, whatever information that can be gathered from your interactions on the internet has been gathered with some amount of competency for use. Personally, I'm very concerned about all this 'gathering', will rarely register for sites even such as enenews (I've been reading here since virtually the beginning, but finally registered maybe 6 months ago because of that personal policy). Unless one makes extraordinary efforts, it's happened.

        Personally, I judge what I might think is the value of my interaction. In a backhand method, the fact that whatever information you need to give to comment is effective to letting 'them' aware of know how you feel. The fact that 'they' are doing the gathering might show you how important it might be. Enough doing this, and it isn't ignored.

        By the way, on another note, despite what is written to the EPA, they're quite careful to note the NRC is making the decisions. The NRC, too, has it's mechanism for comments. Flooding them might not hurt, either.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    People get scared. […] People think there’s a conspiracy […] We want to alleviate some of that.”

    Who is this ..punk?
    And what gives him the grandiose notion that..he should step out the bounds of science..and take on social manipulation?

    A soother of hearts and minds… is he now?
    He needs to get a grip.

  • We Not They Finally

    Fire Wendy Hopkins or force-feed her Scientific American. It's a wrong bad dangerous time to have her at the California Department of Public Health.

  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    311 stopped being able to be called a "conspiracy" the day the impacts began & continued to the point of visible damage to living things,including humans-it IS confirmed to be a FACT and has been since at least 2012 when too many "coincidences" of unknown cause & origin has clearly been seen & felt by not just the so-called "experts" on both sides of the nuke issue,but especially what WE have observed and FELT hitting us & altering our lives,well-being & futures in a big way whether all the victims can see it yet or have shed their "denial of harsh reality" defense mechanisms or not(?)!! The(pro-nuke)PTB "panic reduction mission" aka "save the nukes" campaign has been steadily losing ground via the big,steaming lump of radioactive shit that's been effectively "swept under the rug" has become too big to hide now and they're scrambling to implement every dirty,underhanded trick in the book to keep their filthy POD resource going strong despite all of the evidence unbiased & rightly concerned scientists,researchers & supersmart,braniac citizen-victims able to do the math & come to the (depressing)proper conclusions have found 311 data & impacts to be! Some of the recent recent admissions of the severity of the 311 event by same clowns talking "banana's,airplane rides,x-rays & sunlight" & "no IMMEDIATE health risks to public" that has them changing their tune(s) is very telling since it appears they are trying to "cover their asse[t]s" &…

  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    I've got to sign off and get my better-half to her bi-monthly chemo/oncology follow-up appointment shortly,but I just wanted to say that the REAL "conspiracy" is NOT,IMO,the actual 311 event or whether or not it was "intentional" or that some or ALL members of TPTB "wanted" the 311 ELE to occur or even "how" it could've happened. I don't see anything that leads me to believe it was intentionally initiated despite the fact that the resulting "depopulation" does seem to fall in line with many of the "elite PTB" agenda's & what they "wished" for and have GOTTEN via the (avoidable)"accidental disaster" that by now even the worst of their lot would say 311 releases & impacts are "too much" of what their kind calls a "good thing" 😐 ! The heart of any "conspiracy" theories surrounding 311 lies in the way it's been handled by TEPCO,GE,etc. and "WHO" & "why" they didn't handle or disclose the threats to the public properly with incompetent participants & their management & failed response(s) to the event & it's victims which deserved better! The very actions(&/or"inaction"!)of those tasked with responding to 311 and/or ANY out of control nuclear event exposed the differences between a "conspiracy" & (possible)threat or a FACT and while it angers us I would like to THANK them for proving both how serious the threat 311 & nukes pose and especially for proving that TPTB do NOT have our best interests at heart & cannot be trusted EVER again!! 🙁 DTA!…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Ever so true! "cannot be trusted EVER again!!" 🙂

  • Nick

    Trust no one. Use your own instinct before radiation takes it's toll and you have to focus on pain in your body and the suffering of others.