Professor: Fukushima twice as strong as Chernobyl when comparing species of birds found in both places — We don’t know why they are doing even worse in Fukushima (VIDEO)

Published: November 21st, 2013 at 7:52 pm ET


Presentation by Dr. Timothy Mousseau, professor in the Department of Biological Sciences at the University of South Carolina, July 2013 — published by Satoshi Narisawa (h/t redbuttonstudios):

At 1:00 in

Dr. Timothy Mousseau, professor in the Department of Biological Sciences at the University of South Carolina:

There are many fewer birds in the contaminated areas of Fukushima than there should be, and the pattern is very similar to what we see in Chernobyl.

In fact, if we compare — it turns out there are 14 species of birds that are found both in Chernobyl and in Fukushima — and if we look just at those 14 species of birds, the strength of the effect is twice as strong in Fukushima as in Chernobyl.

This is some unpublished data which is a comparison between what we found in July 2011 to July of 2012. We just finished July of 2013 but we don’t have the data analyzed yet. […] What it says is that the birds are doing worse in the second year than in the first year.

So why are the birds in Fukushima doing worse than the birds in Chernobyl? Perhaps the birds in Chernobyl have adapted the radiation. And so perhaps the birds of Fukushima will also adapt in the future, but we don’t know.

Watch Mousseau’s presentation here

Published: November 21st, 2013 at 7:52 pm ET


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34 comments to Professor: Fukushima twice as strong as Chernobyl when comparing species of birds found in both places — We don’t know why they are doing even worse in Fukushima (VIDEO)

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    "Wet birds don't fly at night"…

  • RonM RonM

    Perhaps the radiation is twice as deadly at Fukushima, it is three meltdowns and a cooling pond explosion on the pacific shore compared to 1 meltdown on land that was more quickly entombed than the ongoing catastrophe at Fukushima.

    • Fall out man!

      +100 to that. If the same sort of animals are twice as sick, that indicates greater contamination. After Chernobyl, soviet military and the 500,000 workers who took part in the clean up were issued orders on how to report radiation levels… what ever level you read… divide by 5. By contrast, the Japanese government learned from that, and where they could be checked up, were dividing by 100 or even 10,000 in the early days of the Fukushima melt downs. While the biology professor provides useful information, it pays to interpret that information for oneself. If this guy wants to keep his funding, there is a limit to what he can say and touch upon. The big discovery in recent years is that most mutations cannot be selected out individually (individually most will have very little or no detectable effect, only slightly negative), so they just build up collectively as genetic load. That decay of the genome eventually will lead to the extinction of all life on earth. His speculation that Chernobyl's birds may have just adapted to their genetic destruction is a desperately positive spin having seen in other articles here (likely even from the same researcher) the very serious genetic damage accumulating in wild life around Chernobyl. If they animals look worse at Fukushima, then as you say, the logical explanation is that the contamination is worse. To suggest the animals are adapting (like spiderman?) to the radiation with no proof, defies all logic.

      • jec jec

        Add to that the migration patterns of birds…they are not exactly locked into staying at Fukushima. Or maybe the scientist picked birds that do not migrate? Difficult to contain a wild birds migration patterns..

  • SophieQ

    "So why are the birds in Fukushima doing worse than the birds in Chernobyl?"
    Duh. How about: Chernobyl was a limited exposure event. Thousands of soldiers lost their lives to protect the lives of everybody else in USSR/Russia/Europe by filling/sealing the reactor and building a sarcophagus.
    Fukushima on the other hand is the gift that keeps giving. Since March 2011 there is a continued release of radioactivity into the environment. The Chernobyl release was suppressed with aforementioned methods and can not be compared to an unmitigated spewing nuclear torch in Fukushima.
    Without getting into it, I recommend to look into Quantum Mechanics and the notion of a 'Unified Field of infinite possibilities'. Which means that there could be somebody conjuring a new way to remove radioactive isotopes out of the environment – including detoxification of humans and animals.
    Humankind was always quick to deploy damaging schemes to enrich the rulers. Solutions to mitigate the wrought damages took sometimes a hundred years or more.
    Connect with the Collective Consciousness – this is where the solutions are.

  • snukey

    In regards to removing radioactive isotopes, I saw a video the other day maybe on GLP about using crystals from the earth. The lady in the video said they are shipping crystals to Japan to help mitigate the radiation. I'm not sure if the crystals absorb or neutralize the radiation somehow. It would be awesome if this was true.

    • We Not They Finally

      Zeolite is said to be able to do that — to what degree, don't know. But even if it would help, how many tons of it would it take to be effective at all? And how could it even be placed in huge areas of the site that no one can even enter due to radiation?

      Out of containment actually means just that, and for a phenomenally huge amount of radioactive fuel. I think it's good for people to volunteer to do whatever they can, but they can also WAY underestimate the problem.

  • retali8 retali8

    my Japanese friend recently applied for "refugee visa" in "Southern Hemisphere", as that's the only visa going for anything radiation related (anyone know others?) and the immigration people just keep saying its not true and jp gov wouldn't do that to its people,, they manged to shock *this person* enough *this person* lost all there words and they couldn't even say there 10 page memo, absolutely dumb founded, i feel so sorry for this person, what hope is there for Japanese anyway? just to get a skill and work abroad maybe the only chance before they are banned in all countries..

  • ftlt

    Different isotopes, more volume and burning of debris of releasing them twice

  • Kassandra

    Timothy Mousseau is a hero in my book.

    He traveled to Japan to collect samples at personal risk.

    His research dramatically calls into question the validity of the ICRP model.

    He has to scrounge for funding for his research because it so upsets the dominant framework.

    I'm so grateful to him and other scientists who work for the public welfare.

    • Kassandra, your point is well taken. Any scientific study showing ill effects of fuku radiation is good. But why do these scientists who are supposed to be so smart sound so dumb? When someone says, quoting from above "Perhaps the birds in Chernobyl have adapted the radiation. And so perhaps the birds of Fukushima will also adapt in the future, but we don’t know." Look I admit I'm not university trained in nuclear science but when any scientist implies that any life can adapt to high levels of radiation he so totally loses all credibility with me. But to be fair Mouseau probably has kids to feed or a retirement to fund and must try hard not to step on too many toes within his proffesional community. The only plausible reason I can think of as to why he would say such a thing.

      • Kassandra

        I've heard him talk, at Caldicott's Symposium on Fukushima in March 2012.

        He proved his points using evidence. He didn't even have to make the conclusion explicit because the evidence was so overwhelming:

        Radiation exposure creates terrible multi-generational effects across many bird and insect species.

        I think he was on the first day but I forget

        He has been rather careful with his quotes to the press, but his research speaks for itself and his public talks are amazing.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        The birds don't adapt to radiation. They fly there. They are not born locally.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          There's just so much more radiation at Fukushima.

        • Fall out man!

          If animals could not get in and out of the Chernobyl (or fukushima) exclusion zone, with no genetic mixing with the outside world, their genetic destruction would be much faster. Birds can fly in and out very easily. Without that new blood from outside, I wonder how many years it would be before they would die out altogether.

  • Shammalammadingdong

    Um, maybe because the Russians had more of a sense of honor than the Japanese?

    When they found levels of radiation that would kill a robot, they did the only thing possible. They figured maximum lifetime doses for people and started conscripting them for work.

    They worked their 4 minutes and went home.

    Spread out the dose to the country responsible, not the entire world. Yeah, people died. Nobody gets out alive.

  • Why no mention of birds in the USA or worldwide for that matter? 😉

    This video is from a guy who studied birds in California after Chernobyl.

    FUKUSHIMA FALLOUT – Lessons from Chernobyl

    Dr. Dave DeSante is the founder of the Institute for Bird Population in Point Reyes, California.

    After the radioactive cloud from Chernobyl passed over the U.S. West Coast in the spring of 1986 his research uncovered a severe die-off of young birds.


    · v ·

    …So it would only 'add up' that the affect of Fukushima is and has been far worse here than has been or is being reported.

    Times 10 or 100 maybe?

    What I do know is this.
    The Fallout has circled the globe and continues to circle it with accumulated radioactive contamination on a daily basis from 3 melted cores.

    • Fall out man!

      Thanks ChasAha – That is a fascinating video. If anyone wants to know the effect of Fukushima on other countries (the US in particular). See that video. It talks about the effect of Chernobyl on the USA. The effect of Fukushima will surely be worse. Absolutely amazing impact on west coast bird life. Shows just how evil the open air nuke testing was and how many babies must have died as a result. Remember, even if a plant does not melt down, people are still suffering genetic damage for miles around a normally operating nuke plant. Anyway, I recommend the video, I found it fascinating.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    " Fukushima twice as strong as Chernobyl when comparing species of birds found in both places — We don’t know why they are doing even worse in Fukushima "

    One of the dumbest statements ..I've ever heard.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Seriously! I guess it means new and improved.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Really, I think it is a bit of psychology at play. When skimming news articles, one may just remember that "Fukushima is twice as strong as Chernobyl."

      So people may remember it wrong as: Fukushima is better equipped to deal with problems and just remember that.

  • Heart of the Rose, perhaps even dumber;"Perhaps the birds in Chernobyl have adapted the radiation. And so perhaps the birds of Fukushima will also adapt in the future, but we don’t know."

    Of course we know. You don't adapt to radiation you get sick and die from radiation.

    Maybe this guy still has hopes for government funding?

  • We Not They Finally

    Species just "adapt to radiation"? A scientist is saying that?

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Birds fly, and are not born locally to a radiation contaminated disaster.

      And few survive after they have flown into the contaminated region.

  • Socrates

    The canaries in this coal mine are dying off twice as badly ergo this coal mine is twice as bad.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Won't need to wonder these things after we abolish nuclear.

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    Those specialist's that are orally farting in public should be examined by specialists themselves… and removed from influence to the max , they should not be allowed near children either , they're deseased corruption might affect the children's capability to think (and seek happiness) for themselves…..

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Hey if we can adapt to slave conditions, why can't birds adapt to radiation? As a matter of fact, I believe birds are ready and want to fly into space, but there are no worms up there.

  • Bird flying into the wall of the new structure at Reactor 4.

    via the web cam forum…

    "I have watched that segment in very slow motion. It is definitely a bird that crashes." – brainheart

    Video: (credit user brainheart)
    bird @ 4:02 minutes in on recording
    (Between frames @12:18:4x to :5x jst clock)
    – Nov 19th, 12:18:xx jst

    IMO – People should know this.
    This IS what Nuclear Power does to innocent things.

    The bird is easily seen flying in from the south then curving into and hitting the west wall of R4. Where it obviously flails as it plummets. 🙁

    Screen shots:

    Source: (credit brainheart)

    This is not the first time I have observed the 'bird fallout' phenomenon.

    • I wonder what Dr. Timothy Mousseau would have to say about this clip?

      • Kassandra

        I can ask him when I meet with him in February.

        Approximately how big do you think the bird was?


        • Appeared to be a very large bird. Dark in color.

          It was the size of a large raven or vulture type of bird in my estimation. The smaller sparrow type of birds move faster and appear like little blips sometimes.

          Watching these beautiful innocent creatures fall to the ground brings a knot to my stomach and an ache in my heart.

          I wish this was on the NBC Nightly News. Then, maybe enough people would see this and bring an end to the insidious insane industry known as Nuclear Power.
          (DNA destroying Death Machines in my book.)