Professor on PBS: The Fukushima plume is heading to West Coast in “a consolidated mass of water that’s moving in unison” — Study: Nuclear waste “confined to a narrow band” crossing ocean — “Very little dispersion in eastern Pacific” (MAP)

Published: February 14th, 2014 at 11:03 pm ET


KPBS, Feb. 13, 2014 (at 3:30 in)Q: There have been a number of reports of the so-called ‘Fukushima plume’ — is this the radioactivity that you’re hoping to track or monitor with this project? Matt Edwards, San Diego State University: It’s definitely linked to that, yeah. When we talk about a plume of water, we’re really talking about is a consolidated mass of water that’s moving in unison. That’s happening here. But also, when you’re dealing with currents, and water, and motion of the ocean, things just dissipate, they basically become more dilute — more dilute as they spread out. If you think about putting cream in your coffee and you just put a little bit of motion to your coffee, the cream doesn’t stay there in nice striated patterns, it really becomes kind of uniformly dissolved throughout — the same thing kind of happens in the ocean.

Predicting the spread of nuclear radiation from the damaged Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant (pdf), State Oceanic Administration of China, published May 12, 2011 (emphasis added): […] The ocean circulation model indicates that the nuclear material would be slowly transported northeast of Fukushima and reach 150°E in 50 days, and the nuclear debris in the ocean would be confined to a narrow band. […] The nuclear debris would be transported northward by the ocean currents initially, approach 38.5°N, and turn eastward 20 days later. […] The nuclear debris in the ocean would be confined to a narrow band.

What happens to this “narrow band” of confined nuclear material as it approaches West Coast?

Topics in Ocean Physics, 1982 (emphasis added): The drifter data [see map] show that the mesoscale produces very little dispersion in the eastern Pacific beyond a 300 km scale. This is in sharp contrast to drifter and hydrographic data from the western Pacific and Atlantic basins. The drifter data do not support the concept of large-scale turbulent motion and random dispersion of clusters of parcels […] it seems that the drifters tend to find and follow the strongest currents.

Recall Prof. Edwards’ assertion — radioactive materials “become more dilute as they spread out [it] doesn’t stay there in nice striated patterns, it really becomes kind of uniformly dissolved.”

Yet the studies above concluded: 1) Nuclear material from Fukushima is “confined to a narrow band” as it crosses the Pacific to North America;  and 2) As it approaches West Coast, there’s “very little dispersion in the eastern Pacific.” See also:

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  • [intlink id=”congress-radiation-be-detected-waters-could-remain-valid-concern-years-potential-corridor-highly-contaminated-water-traveling-away-japan” type=”post”]Congressional Researchers: Potential for corridor of “highly contaminated” water traveling across Pacific from Fukushima[/intlink]
Published: February 14th, 2014 at 11:03 pm ET


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103 comments to Professor on PBS: The Fukushima plume is heading to West Coast in “a consolidated mass of water that’s moving in unison” — Study: Nuclear waste “confined to a narrow band” crossing ocean — “Very little dispersion in eastern Pacific” (MAP)

  • Socrates

    I hope it is directed north of San apologies to those up north. Amazing that scientists are only now considering what would happen. By "now" I mean in the 21st century. The 20th century was a war-like disaster.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Socrates. Orange County, and San Diego get the highest concentrations from Japan…the cesium concentrates starting at Newport Beach then proceeds down the coast. down into Baja. It is because of the trenches offshore and the currents. I will look through through my scientific papers, I downloaded the study last year, and pass it along to you.

      I lived in SD for 18 years, so I understand your sadness. I still have many friends there.

      • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

        Please do post links to those documents newsblackout and thank you in advance.

      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        From a 2011 study – Evidence of neutron leakage at the Fukushima
        nuclear plant from measurements of radioactive 35S in California

        "Here, using measurements of radioactive 35S contained in sulfate aerosols and SO2 gas at a coastal site in La Jolla, California, we show that nearly 4 × 1011 neutrons per m2 leaked at the Fukushima nuclear power plant before March 20, 2011. A significantly higher 35SO4 2− activity as measured on March 28 is in accord with neutrons escaping the reactor core and being absorbed by the coolant seawater 35Cl to produce 35S by a (n, p) reaction. Once produced, 35S oxidizes to 35SO2 and 35SO42− and was then transported to Southern California due to the presence of strong prevailing westerly winds at this time."

        And what were/are the officials saying?

        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          "35S is the only radioactive isotope that simultaneously exists in both gas and aerosol phases and has a suitably short half-life to detect air motions, which renders it a sensitive tracer in understanding boundary layer chemistry and air mass transport on short time scales" "…The simultaneous gas and particle speciation and short halflife render 35S a unique isotope to clock gas to particle transformation and transport. Any 35S produced at the Fukushima nuclear plant as a result of earthquake-related damage and seawater-based cooling, combined with its speciation into both the particle and gas phases, could serve as a point source of artificially made 35S and provides an excellent opportunity to understand gas-to-particle conversion and long-range transport over the Pacific."

          Sounds like Scientist speak, for "This shit is really easy to detect"

          *from the same study referenced above

    • Angela_R

      Socrates, I can recall reading that there were concerns that this concentration could be what would occur. As a friend, not a scientist, described, like a drop of oil or oil paint the radioactivity does not mix, it travels it has its own passage.

      Conscientious scientists have for years attempted to raise many issues re nuclear; people were not listening. I suspect that they became extremely disheartened. They put their jobs and their reputations on the line.

      The following link, which I have already placed on another thread, I will repeat here again, it may give some scientists a chance to unite. I suspect it needs new life:

  • Ontological Ontological

    The rainout they get on the west side of the Spring mountains, will soon be full of all sorts of goodies, it will concentrate over time. Death Valley will become a bit more dead. Same thing will happen in the San Bernardino's. Our breadbasket may soon be all unfit to eat, not just the GMO.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Ontological…have you seen this video from radioactive Death Valley?

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        @news;Hello again and thanks for posting! I just watched this vid and had a couple things to say about it. First thing is that it's already apparent that the background radiation level is already "up there" even before using the same method of swiping the SUV windshield & hood with a "quicker picker-upper" that I use here in the Windy City some 2000+ miles east of Death Valley. Not to take anything away from the results or the party carrying it out,but I have to wonder if the glass dish thing the sample is put in before running the Inspector GM unit is Depression Glass? If so,then it could very well be adding to the radiation count & indicate a much higher number than what is actually on the paper towel swipe sample since a lot of Depression glass is known to have radioactive content as in the case of the infamous "Fiesta-ware" mfg. by Owens-Corning for many years and the bowl or dish used in this instance appears to be "carnival glass" from the era & "suspect"(IMHO)? 🙂 No arguments or offense intended but if I'm able to find discrepancies or "conditions" at the time & site of the recorded test procedure then so can(WILL)the pro-nukist's seeking to eliminate the credibility of these very important findings that I'm grateful are shared at all,with or without issues or discrepancies!-I haven't recorded my own radiation testing sessions(yet)but I can say having a "clean,uncluttered"work area & using skeptical witnesses to collect samples wins "hearts &…

        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          minds"!! TAKE CARE & THANK YOU!

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Hi there JohnnyB…I hope you and your family are hanging in there as best as you can. I understand the skepticism, but the people who did this test have the website called:

          They also run food labs, teach people how to test foods, so they are pretty knowledgeable about nukes, but you make some great points.

          • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

            @news;Your points are well-taken. I'm not among the "skeptics",I only set out these personal observations because the forces who don't want citizens to conduct private,"public" testing to be taken into consideration will use ANYTHING they can fijnd to dispute & discredit our findings! I trust the results enough to know that we shouldn't be seeing excessive & un-natural levels & types of radiation ANYWHERE in our environment and even if a type of glass coincidentally used to hold test media has higher radiation emissions than the air or precipitation because results holding even a fraction of the numbers displayed by the above particular test session that came to be present via 311 contamination is still TOO DAMNED MUCH!! I haven't discounted any sources of info & data re;the 311 issue(s) even those that generate income somehow for the parties bringing the shitium to the attention of the shleepwalker's who still deserve to know what has & IS happening to their land,food/water,& bodies! I'm glad Enviroporter is "on the job"!! 🙂 I do wish there was a lot more accredited agencies,institutions & individuals doing the same & with scintillators & in video records of laboratories that leave little room for errors or discrepancies & even better-"available to the PUBLIC"(?)! If just for the sake of our legacy we should shut ALL of them DOWN! Even if it's too late to act in the interest of surviving 311! 😐 TAKE CARE newsbUSA & the Group! 🙂

  • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

    This “dilution” should be viewed not quite like “putting cream in your coffee”, more as a “strong gusty wind on a forest fire”.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Or in this case, like putting chocolate powder in your milk that never seems to dissolve all the way. 🙂

      • bo bo

        I just pictured this professor Edwards sitting at Starbucks admiring a single shot of cream in his coffee cup creating nice striated patterns…

        Isn't it more like if one kept pouring cream in a single cup of coffee continuously, without ever stopping? What color will your cup of coffee be then?

        • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

          White with thin brown stripes?

          • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

            @Flapddodle;Please excuse the following GRAPHIC description,"Sounds like my underoo's after reading today's stressful 311 news & headlines!="White with thin brown stripes"!! 🙁 !! (lol) (sorry 😉 ) p.s.,I'm a coffee drinker myself but even using the java as an example leaves me with the taste of the shitium in my mouth(or if just in my own "mind's eye"??!! I was already on my 3rd cup & "wired" even before reading the "coffee-connection"!! lol….

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          yes bo…and to take it further as Edwards watches the cream overflow, then spill onto the table and eventually fill the starbucks until everyone drowns, because the doors are locked and there is no escape….like all the lifeforms here on earth with no place to go as the radiation fills the oceans, and contaminates the food and air.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      if the gunman shoots into a larger and larger crowd his bullets have an increasingly smaller effect, finally becoming as harmless as bananas

  • atomicistheword

    disseminated not dissolved.

    When are these people going to stop giving the impression that these nuclioids become less effective/potent by disseminated spread.

    What is a safe dose of man made Cesium 137, Strontium 90, plutonium etc, etc? Zero is a safe dose!

    To use an Australian colloquial phrase "When are you going to stop telling bullshit?"

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    California is going to get slammed this year and continously for years to come. Reports of very radioactive debris in addition to the plume. There are bits and peices of mox fuel on some of that debris that was shot out of unit 3. Plutonium and his little friends…………… Clean radioactive free water will become the new gold soon. Desalination of Pacific water no longer viable.

    For your listening enjoyment

    • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

      I am afraid you are right, and desalination of Gulf water may not be feasible thanks to BP.

    • many moons

      The tsunami debris was between Fukushima and the USS Ronald Regan. We know how contaminated the Ship became so we can only imagine that the debris is at least that contaminated or more because it spent several years accumulating even more rads.

      Why isn't the US trying to protect it's borders and beaches and address the clean up before it hits land?

      • dosdos dosdos

        Monitoring the Pacific waters is not pork barrel, so neither political party wants to spend money on it.

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Absolutely correct. Today, if they can't skim it, they ain't interested – period. Doing for the good of the people – those days are over.

      • James Tekton James Tekton

        "Why isn't the US trying to protect it's borders and beaches and address the clean up before it hits land?"

        Morning, Many.

        Your answer to this question is plain and obvious. They do not care.


    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Good news and bad for CA: Big rain coming Friday. It's radioactive, and a lot of it won't be radon.

  • Socrates

    Newport to Baja will be targeted by the Cesium 137 plume. The kelp, surf, sea mists, fog, rain, fish, the land and soils will get worst for ten years. Strontium 90 will arrive and peak out. These radionuclides will swirl around for two or three generations with higher levels than in Japan, if studies are true.

  • rogerthat

    The evolving nuclear catechism is a study in itself. Repeat after me:

    ''no immediate health effects''
    ''hydrogen explosion''
    ''safe to eat''
    ''no cause for alarm''
    ''too low to measure''
    ''within safe limits''
    ''part of background''
    ''definitely not caused by radiation''
    ''we can rule radiation out as the cause''
    ''no need to test''
    And let's not forget ''the scientific method'', without which where would we be lol.

  • rogerthat

    ''things just dissipate, they basically become more dilute — more dilute as they spread out''
    Yup, them radionuclides just disappear. No-see-ums. Pity that they keep on pumping out nasty old radiation for tens, hundreds, thousands, millions of years.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Who's running the show?

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Not them and not us, that one is for sure… 🙁

      No one can handle what this Nuclear Technology Cabal has dealt to this world! 🙁

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "Who's running the show?"

      Short answer: The rothschilds bankster empire of satan/lucifer.



    I started this "one liner list of nuke lies" Please review and add to it.

    ''no immediate health effects''
    ''safe to eat''
    ''no cause for alarm''
    ''dispersion in the ocean makes it harmless''
    ''too low to measure''
    ''safer than eating a banana''
    "larger dose from flying on an airplane"
    "sleeping next to someone gives you a larger radioactive dose"
    "become I131 radiation rapidly depletes due to quick half life, we don't have to worry about any of the radiation."
    ''within safe limits''
    ''part of background''
    ''definitely not caused by radiation''

    • rogerthat

      it's worth dredging the archives for more nukespeak, their ''talking points'' have evolved over the years and forewarned is forearmed, as they say. so let's revisit in due course, and add new gems as they unfold.

      • Socrates

        A new study says trolls are sadistic, Machiavellian, narcissistic, and sociopathic. They love to disrupt. There is an article about the study in Mother Jones.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          I guess that would make the people posting here trolls, because most of us certainly want to disrupt this current Nuclear Technology course/direction! 🙂

        • mairs mairs

          The pro-nuclear trolls are all that. They are lifeless and repellant in their manipulations, and they don't even know that this is how they come across.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "Please review and add to it."

      Good morning, Stock.

      How about, smiling makes the radiation less effective.

      And, don't worry, be happy.

      And, radiation is good for you.

      (Yeah, right, if you are a lizard)

      Add those to your list.

      Top of the day to all!


  • Plutonium is NOT NATURAL, it kills with a radiation/heavy metal 1-2 punch

    Another classic lie of the pro nuke pimps: Plutonium is natural, therefore no need to be scared by it. Even though it kills 155 of 155 test Beagles in 2 to 5 years. But don't worry, it's Natural.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    38.5 degrees..width..unknown.
    Approximately where the North Pacific current splits out to the Alaska current and the California current.
    Dispersal.. not exactly..separation of the current.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      Thanks for these maps, Heart.

      Going to start a research discussion about South America over on the General discussion thread. Everyone is invited to add any and all information they have, as well as their thoughts about the historic accumulations of radiation down there.


  • We Not They Finally

    The studies seem to tell us dont worry be happy????BS……
    The problem is there is like the existence of our universe Eternal forever and never ending.Once something like these radioactive particles that is responsible for the destruction of our DNA and Planckton that is responsible for 70& of the oxygen so many species breath..Dont forget the death of the food chain thats responsible for what we eat.The future millionaires and billionares will probably eat what part robots eat..gasoline and chemicals. AS the "Singularity is near and the future maybe 1/2 robot 1/2 human…" Yes a truly long life for those who deserve much less.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      The problem is ..radiation causes slow and irregular healing processes.
      The areas of flesh meeting metal ..probably chafe a lot.
      The Human component is being rendered to constant fail mode.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        I really don't understand ..why this society is so driven to artifice.
        What is so appealing ..about becoming a living prosthetic?
        How does this trump the Human form ..perfection so given?
        If we come to this type should be out of regret.
        For we are lost.

        • john dpugh

          IMO its not going to work . I cant imagine myself falling in love with anything artificial . Maybe its just me .

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            Oh ..Humans adapt in those manners..
            Love would prevail ..I'm sure.
            But some of us .would prefer the perfections that we search the face a newborn the inspection of it's fingers and toes.
            This.. how can we turn away from THIS?

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              Part human ..part robot.
              Hell..the day one takes up the a tough day.
              That's plenty.

            • john dpugh

              One can also claim that the IBM computer was smarter than Kasparov since it won the game , but how smart was it actually . I would say not smart at all .None .
              The similar analogy for artificial beings , as human as a doll.
              I think Singularity will be either humans with high tech prosthetics , or machines ruling the world and humans long gone .
              There are some people who believe that its inevitable that machines will rule the world .

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

       the line of the same profound thinkers.
                That try to pass nuclear accidents normal accidents.
                Humans going about normally with their abnormal lives.
                Never so much as ..looking up..or even around.
                What a limited vision of the future.

                Failure to live in harmony and balance in one's environment ..signals trouble for all species.

                Nothing like an over expansion of technology …to doom a planet.

                Machines rule the world.
                And who created this?
                The military industrial complex and friends?
                Slaves now and then.

                They win..but what do they win?

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  PS. There is a flaw in Human cognition…or we wouldn't be where we are today.

                  • john dpugh

                    Hotr There is definitely a flaw , check out earthsmith s message . That is the only NORMAL thing to do and the only sane message to give in this crazy situation but nobody would even consider it .

                  • john dpugh

                    Btw check out Nick Bostrom s theory about simulated universe . He is not kidding about it .

                  • john dpugh

                    The question is , Is there anything natural left in the nature ?

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Is there anything left natural in nature?
                      I never said I wasn't talking about that which was and never will be again.

                      The pristine..the rarified…
                      The preservation of which..Human will never come so much as close.

                      So on to complete fouling…

                    • john dpugh

                      Hotr That is so sad isn't it ? We are ruining everything nature has to offer and we are doing it at an increasing pace. It wont be long before the whole system comes collapsing on itself.

              • AlexfromNB

                Don't be silly… Machines won't rule the world for once the Eveready and Duracell battery factories shut down, it's curtains…

                • john dpugh

                  There are scientists who think that machines have already won and we are living in a simulation . Sounds like Scifi doesnt it?

                  • john dpugh

                    I think we are as off topic as anyone can get here. So maybe we should go back on topic , which is fukushima , the bitter reality ;(

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      OT..How so..?
                      While the world is anxious to become mutant.
                      Metal is so kinky.
                      All in all
                      .. natural mutation is much more effective….


                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I post so little now ..yet I'm constantly admonished for being OT.
                      It gets old…

                    • john dpugh

                      hotr That s what i am afraid of , being banned because of off-topic discussion .
                      I cant watch those chernobyl children photos without getting all fukued up in the brain . Too sad for words.
                      Many more will be caused by fukushima . How can some people sleep at night , knowingly letting it happen .

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      It's just a little matter of straying toward ..the concept of preserving natural health.
                      Natural without 'augmentation'.
                      What a concept.

                      And a vision.. of the healthy..not the hacked up rebuilts..that only money can buy.

                    • James Tekton James Tekton

                      Lol…gotta love being a bad influence sometimes…


  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    " reach 150°E in 50 days, and the nuclear debris in the ocean would be confined to a narrow band. […] The nuclear debris would be transported northward by the ocean currents initially, approach 38.5°N, and turn eastward 20 days later. […]

    This indicates approximately 50 days for the material to travel 10 degrees.
    This would mean the plume arrived in approximately 450-500 days from the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear accident.

    The tsunami..did add some 'force' in the motion of the original plume.
    Affecting the timing..I would think..

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech


      Barge on beach in Newport Oregon June 2012===455 days one of the first things to arrive due to size/wind.

  • When one 'uniformly dissolves' something long enough, over time it finally becomes…


    Spewing nonstop, accumulating and sooner or later saturating everything. It's just the estimated amounts that are debatable now.

    Even a kid understands if you add 2 packs of Kool-aid it will taste stronger. Add a bunch of packs, repeated for 3 years times 3 meltdowns, and it becomes… undrinkable/unthinkable.

    • Sol Man

      The kid's whole pitcher becomes a congealed mass of sugar paste.
      Welcome to The Paste.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "Spewing nonstop, accumulating and sooner or later saturating everything."

      Howdy, Chas.

      Spewing nonstop and adding to what is already there. We all forget to calculate into this picture the historic radiation that has been put into the whole bucket called the ocean from past testings and pollutions. The amount of disposal into the Pacific Ocean is more than likely beyond what most would even believe. We are only seeing the cream on the yellow cake here as fukushima finishes off the entire planets ocean systems. Not that they weren't already messed up.

      Getting ready to start a thread that involves transport across the waters, wind patterns, and the long history of all this horrid nuklear evil in our oceans.

      All one can do is to surmise that eventually, unabated, the radiation will catch up to everyone no matter where you are, or who you are. It just stands to reason that if you turn on a spigot of poisonous radiation that only seems to be adding to the already massive amounts of world wide contamination, it is only going to continue to accumulate until some sort of technology comes along and decontaminates the entire planet. Wouldn't that be cool.

      Look for further thoughts around the South American discussion on the Gen Dis thread.


  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    One doesn't have to be an expert in the field or even need to prove the shitium is and WILL CONTINUE to make landfall & accumulate here in the USA,"all" of the country and countries downwind & downstream,whether via jetstream airborne transport mechanisms or "ocean plumes"& the currents that allows 311 to "reach out & touch someone"! First we had to BREATHE it in as the exploding reactors & their burning inventories blew it across the Pacific Ocean & across the N.Hemisphere,and now the mounting evidence that "undiluted" columns of highly-concentrated,contaminated water plumes arriving at distant shores at levels capable of sickening,killing or "chasing away" the marine life with the impacts across such a wide range of species & regions that even TPTB's "elite-owned" scientists have had to start PUBLICLY changing their tune & announcing or at least "hinting" of the connection between 311 and "mysterious"anomalies,incidents & OBVIOUS symptoms and the impacts of an ongoing,ELE-level nuclear event of such magnitude that it's EASILY breached the limits of what they'd continually claimed would be minimimal at worst via the "dilution" scenario that has NOT been the case(?)!!-I guess if we eat,drink,breathe & wallow in Shitium for nearly 3 yrs & will continue for infinity-what difference will it make re; "how" we wound up ingesting it internally as well as being blasted with increased external radiation,diluted or not since it's CUMULATIVE??!! 🙁

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      So Johnny…tell how you really feel!

      Lol…thanks for speaking your truth.

      You are spot on.

      They call it…the slow kill population elimination agenda.


  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    US-Nuke-Submarines are perfectly capable of accurate 3D-mapping the oceans for all radionuclide contamination in parts-per-trillion.

    All nuke-submarines carry onboard gamma-spectrometer equipment for monitoring the isotopes in the cooling systems onboard, and this equipment is also used for sampling the ambient seawater too.

    Here is a demo of a gamma spectrometer in action >>>

    ….still cleaning up Chernobyl one small chunk at a time.

    The people living in Puget Sound & Seattle area should demand a dialog with all the NAVY personnel in Bremerton area to cooperate with civilians under their military mandate of protecting the safety of America's civilian population from external threats…

    I have encountered ranking NAVY submarine officers and reactor operators at local coffeeshops… and I don't let them dodge the question.. the first response I get is BS-dodge >> "Well, what do you want us to do?? Launch a strike on Fukushima??" .. this typical BS while they are looking for their car-keys.. keep on 'em and they will finally get the message… be careful and don't get too pushy/nosy, otherwise you'll get shanghaied to Gitmo, or tackled & TASER'd by the local goons while getting a bogus DUI after dark.

    I'm pissed because the assholes at the local sub-base contaminated my oyster beach last week with oily crap.

    • irhologram

      Yes, 21stCentury, demand that the NAVY map the plumes! Ene-ers could get behind that with a White House Petition. Since this technology is readily available, why not formalize and solidify a grass roots request, endorsed by Caldecott and Moret, for example. Yes, I know a petition does little, but a specific, simple request can be a focal point to get a radioactivity "weather map" of the ocean and coastal waters! Not just once, but an ongoing update. It seems to me the balance is between the government's need to prevent a panic evacuation of Alaska, Washington, Oregon and California (Has anyone considered where they will all go? What work they will have?) …balanced by our individual desire for self preservation (which is itself affected by disclosure). But Truth can't be a political football. Knowledge is power. Isn't making the NAVY protect our shorelines in our mandate? Is this not in the scope of Clear and Present Danger?

      • James Tekton James Tekton

        "Is this not in the scope of Clear and Present Danger?"

        Howdy hey, Ir.

        You bet your sweet bippy they are perfectly clear as to the scope of what it all means. There are careful calculations about a panic happening and the times involved. Everything that happens, happens for a reason. Even now they are getting ready for the crash that will bring down the curtain of communications and information about fukushima. Once martial law is declared, it is over for freedom, and the country called America. There may be day soon when all sources of information are all gone, and all we know are the last words posted on Enenews. After that, it becomes hunger games. They will lock down the west coast and not allow people to go east. Have you seen the movie, RED DAWN 2012?

        Also, the surest way to see anything NOT happen, is to try to get the babylonian govt to do it. Petitions only cue them into who is opposing them, and greater forces have already tried to call the world's attention to this kind of issue.

        One day at a time.


      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        They ARE doing that mapping & have been doing that since day one!

        They need this info private, so they can capitalize on the next bad thing to happen.

        It will come in waves.

        They will need to have fear associated with it to strengthen their position.

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        The mission of the US navy is to maintain safe and open seaways for commerce and trade for the benefit of the USA. Navy hardware and training is for open water.

        The shoreline and inland waterways are the mission of the US Coast Guard. Security/policing/search & rescue.

  • irhologram

    I have questions. If the plumes are no wider than 300km. And since the video models post around a dozen or so plumes… And given that plankton supplies 70% of our oxygen.. . And if we believe the assertion that 50% of the plankton is dead…. Then 1) What is killing the plankton if the radiation is confined to "bands"? 2) I'm not good at math, so someone help me???we have half the oxygen production of a 70% oxygen source. How much oxygen reduction is that? 3) is it possibly good news for life on earth, although not good news for the CA breadbasket that the plumes will take longer than thought to disperse? 4). How long will it take in current thought to begin widespread dispersal and dilution (so we can play "Dodge the (Bucky) bullet"? And back to question #1: What is killing the plankton if the radiation is contained within narrow plumes?

    • Noah


      Mathematical modeling and statistical analysis will yield various plume dimensions. However accurate or inaccurate the model, it is not based on actual sampling surveys, modeling of this kind is the poor mans substitute for real world monitoring and testing, which will probably not occur in our life time. The model, although comforting, does not take into account the FBB factor you mentioned, nor wind-borne particles, nor rain outs, etc.

      Regardless of what model is used, direct observation is the best indicator. For example, looking into the mirror will tell you about hair loss better than an mathematical model of your hair. A direct observation will tell you more than you would care to know. One glance in the mirror is all you need to know.

      Looking at the sea life in the Pacific, it does not require studies and models to tell we are losing the earth. I laugh out loud at these studies which prove the obvious, the earth is going bald and we know why. It is not mankind that is causing the earth to die, it is men of a certain kind. And we know who.

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        Being that there are over 200 different radioactive isotopes in that plume…I would imagine dragons that some of those would be less "sticky" than others, and tend to disperse a bit more.

  • Nick

    Bands on the Run… searching ever more for the bands on the run….

    Ionizing radiation exerts a broad-band of influence.

    Focus not on what your country isn't doing for you, focus on obfuscations.

  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    This thread has had me wound up in an unexpected way since it's the day after V-Day,2012 which was the fateful day that a routine primary physician appointment sent my spouse of 23 yrs & mother of my daughter for an emergency mammogram that had her diagnosed with ADVANCED,IB cancer that she's still debilitated from 2 yrs into the "5 yr plan" that statistically gave her only 31% survival rate odds that would end in 2017. I haven't forgotten that the absolute worst 311 contamination from MY viewpoint that saw my wife suddenly stricken with a rapid-moving,aggressive type of cancer rarely seen in Caucasian females under 40,that is until 311 came along and I'm sure I also saw right here the link to a Pacific NW medical journal & newspaper I believe which also describes a "mysterious spike" in under-40 females around the same time my wife was in post-surgery radiation treatments(if I can find it here again)-but my point being that she was IMO one of the 1st susceptible group of 311 victims to fall deathly ill following inhalation & ingestion of the "consolidated masses" of airborne plumes that arrived LONG before the ocean plumes and it also looks like there's been MANY release events that resulted in "plumes" & continuou8s emissions that also waft over with the breezes and I feel really scared about the prospects of her recovering & remaining in remission(?)! The fruit & veggies she's supposed to eat nearly all come from CA & points West-WTF is COMING??!! 🙁

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      cont'd-"wtf is coming" in terms of just how much of the contaminants in the water & set to NEVER cease coming will find it's way far inland into the lush,green agricultural farmland,vineyards,orchards & "what" is being fed to livestock & dairy cattle & poultry farms as I type and I'm sick to my stomach just thinking about how we're supposed to source our food or even afford any healthier,imported alternative sources??!! No matter how I imagine this could possibly all play out,it ends badly in every possible scenario short of God himself intervening! I guess there could be a miracle of some sort but I'm not counting on it…. Good Luck everyone ESPECIALLY those of you in the thick of it out west without many options to uproot and relocate in response to a disaster that doesn't qualify as a disaster because they make the rules and nukes are "untouchable" and OFF-LIMITS even when it kills people and renders property worthless forever as I think will also be seen with examples possibly already able apparent(?)!! Take care ALL !!

  • OHowTheyLie

    And why does all talk focus only on TEPCO? What about the other major corporation involved in the design of the Fukushima reactors? Why the media silence about General Electric??? What about the fact there are 23 similarly designed reactors designed by GE spread throughout the United States? Could it be possible there's a conflict of interest here . . . the CEO of GE is the head of the United States Economic Advisory Board and is being protected? He probably has a bunker somewhere,
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