Professor: Radioactive particles from Fukushima like “poison gas” — Except it is going to kill you in a few years, not immediately (VIDEO)

Published: August 27th, 2011 at 7:44 am ET
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Fukushima Like the TITANIC (Christopher Busby) p2 of 2, August 13, 2011:

At 1:10 in

Chris Busby, visiting professor at the University of Ulster’s school of biomedical sciences and scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, a think-tank -Bloomberg

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Ecn1WFRWQ

Part I:

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUP9dYgCnGg

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87 comments to Professor: Radioactive particles from Fukushima like “poison gas” — Except it is going to kill you in a few years, not immediately (VIDEO)

  • Steven Steven

    Before the pro-nuclear types weigh in with personal attacks on Prof. Busby I’d just like to say something; he has recently visited Japan to advise on radiation levels and consequences. Even if his estimates turn out to be in error on the high side his contribution will still help to safeguard many children from possible illness and mysery – better safe than sorry, especially where kids are concerned. Surely no-one would argue with that? Possible danger, get the kids out, right?

    Leave this one alone.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yeah,…you guys leave Dr. Busby alone or StillJill will beat you up!


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  • I’m going to chain myself to a nuclear reactor!


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  • Jebus

    Evacuate FUKUSHIMA – 福島の子供を守れ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip4aMIXHd5s


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  • Hot-spot cleanups hampered by public resistance to local disposal sites
    … Some 3,800 residents of Fukushima city’s Watari district, site of a radioactive hot spot, carried out a major decontamination operation in late July, scraping out ditches and removing tainted topsoil. The city designated a site in the mountains as a temporary disposal area and trucked in the some 6,000 bags of contaminated material produced in the Watari operation. The disposal, however, was met with fierce opposition from locals around …
    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110827p2a00m0na013000c.html


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  • (Update) Kan Asks Fukushima to Host Tainted Soil Storage Facility
    … At a meeting with Fukushima Governor Yuhei Sato, Kan said the central government has no choice but to ask the prefecture to allow a storage facility that properly manages radioactive substances to be built within the prefecture.
    Kan added that he does not regard the envisioned facility as a final disposal site.
    But Sato said he was baffled by such an abrupt request. …
    http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011082700337


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  • fuckyoushima

    its not the microsieverts that is the problem, its the stuff that causes the microsieverts…

    exactly.

    busby gets it. better than anyone else.


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  • Jebus

    Is this not unlike a war against people of japan?
    Against the people of the world?

    Where the innocent suffer the most…

    When will they learn?

    From someone who upheld the values of peace and equality all his life, he is 92 this year. I share a birthday with him. He shared his songwriting wisdom with the world. During a time of unnecessary war, he sang the feelings that some would wish to stifle. I think this song fits in it’s message of compassion for those suffering from this current assault against the people of japan and the attack on humanity.

    Pete Seeger/ Where Have All The Flowers Gone


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  • Jebus

    Is this not unlike a war against people of japan?
    Against the people of the world?

    Where the innocent suffer the most…

    When will they learn?

    From someone who upheld the values of peace and equality all his life, he is 92 this year. I share a birthday with him. He shared his songwriting wisdom with the world. During a time of unnecessary war, he sang the feelings that some would wish to stifle. I think this song fits in it’s message of compassion for those suffering from this current assault against the people of japan and the attack on humanity.

    Pete Seeger/ Where Have All The Flowers Gone

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0


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  • Japan cuts radiation exposure limits for children

    Aug. 27, 2011
    TOKYO — Japan on Friday lowered radiation exposure limits for children to below one millisievert per year while at school due to health concerns in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear crisis.
    The education ministry delivered the instruction to all schools across the nation including Fukushima where high levels of radiation were released from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant…
    Following the accident, Japan raised the exposure limit for both adults and children from one to 20 millisieverts per year, matching the maximum exposure level for nuclear industry workers in many countries. …
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/japan-cuts-radiation-exposure-limits-for-children


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    • Steven Steven

      That’s a move in the right direction at least.

      “Wearing protective suit, some 150 residents from Futaba and Okuma towns returned home by bus for about two hours to pick up valuables and other goods, officials said.”

      I’d be avoiding garage sales around fukushima for the next 250,000 years or so.


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  • Let’s just hope the winter coming our way is as mild as the summer currently passing by has been

    Freezing winter looms for Tokyo post-Fukushima…
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/freezing-winter-looms-for-tokyo-post-fukushima


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Dr. Busby is a brave man and a hero. He is also an expert in this field, has been an expert witness in many (successful) court cases involving damage resulting from exposure to radiation.

    He does a great job of putting things in terms that laypeople can understand – for instance, explaining that you can’t see it or sense its presence but it can kill you, repeating this info in various ways, trying to get the message across to ordinary people.

    His suggestion are very sound, re what must be done – what should have been done from the get-go.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Here is avery interesting interview with a Finnish activist~:

    Watch first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36VrXtAS2uE
    Watch second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUY-Y3Kiek

    [note, if you click on cc below the video image, you bring up English subtitles.]

    This man worked in the field for a long time before becoming an anti-nuke activist. Not sure about his theories (in part 2) re the actual dynamics of the Fukushima events, I am not qualified to evaluate them, but this interview shows the same powerful ‘hidden hand’ of the monied interests behind the European nuclear power establishment resorting to the same gangsta tactics we have been learning about, and witnessing, here in the USA and in Japan.


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    • How come Busby, admitted to seeing really high levels in chiba… (past tokyo). Then A. Didn’t tell us the levels… Only that he knew them and B. keeps saying its All within 120 km… When He just said earlier that its 200+km South of fukushima?

      I just think they need to get “the worst news out already”.


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      • jdotg

        Hi all, check this out,

        http://www.cerrie.org/pdfs/cerrie_report_e-book.pdf

        CERRIE was set up by Michael Meacher in 2001 after representations from the Low Level Radiation Campaign(LLRC) claimed government models were wrong .It comprises representatives of LLRC, Green Audit, BNFL(Richard Wakeford) and Greenpeace (one each), three from the National Radiological Protection Board, three academics and a scientist nominated by Friends of the Earth.

        A group report of which busby was apart of, they voted 10-2. Busby and Bramhall being the 2. Voting, majorly, that both busby’s radiation theories had significant shortcomings. Now this group was comprised from members of all sides of the argument, and supposedly independents.

        Page 55, of the above pdf explains the commitee’s findings on busby’s SET.

        The lone pro nuclear commitee member Richard Wakeford’s view of the entire situation. Can be found here :

        http://iopscience.iop.org/0952-4746/24/4/E02/pdf/jr44e1.pdf

        He states busby’s work was independently published and never peer reviewed, and that cerrie was brought together to hear and listen to busby’s views. The committee spent considerable amounts of time reviewing busby’s work. So much time, that they even had outside members peer review the data. Barrie Lambert, who did not agree with the information.

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/sep/08/greenpolitics.medicineandhealth

        Then busby and bramhall are ordered to remove their findings by law. Because the others requested this due to their biased views and lack of emperical evidence. Busby being the green party’s spokesmen. Meanwhile the person who supported busby and created CERRIE , Michael Meacher, was fired and replaced. And also was in contact with Busby, before the commitee formed, CERRIE via the LLRC.

        http://www.llrc.org/wobblyscience/subtopic/cerrie.htm

        There is the minority report information, which is so ground breaking that they decide to charge you a convenient fee for it. If its such important material, why do we have to buy it? All the other info is free. This is information that should be open to the public.

        In the end the official report states, that radiation effects may be under estimated by a factor of 10, but more research is recommended and in my own opinion needed.

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/03/28/deconstructing-nuclear-experts/

        Busby went on to say, claiming support from a New York Academy of Sciences publication, of which they only released, not reviewed. That “more than a million people have died between 1986 and 2004 as a direct result of Chernobyl.” This very book, is something I saw Dr.Caldicott hold up in one of her videos. Hmmm..

        http://www.nyas.org/Publications/Annals/Detail.aspx?cid=f3f3bd16-51ba-4d7b-a086-753f44b3bfc1

        The Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences issue “Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment”, therefore, does not present new, unpublished work, nor is it a work commissioned by the New York Academy of Sciences.

        They didnt peer review it and confirm it to be accurate or not.

        As for he is the spokesmen for the green party and seems to post on rather skeptical sites speaking out against scientists, claiming scientific results but posting no references or access to these results. Other then that he has the information, as alluded to in the previous comment. Claiming people are out to make him look bad. And attacking these people, seems to be a number one tactic in the anti nuke community.

        “Wade is a medical physics person and a professor at Oxford.(Oxford? One of the leading universities of the world, oxford? yes.) I have chosen to pitch into him since he epitomises and crystallises for us the arguments of the stupid physicist.”

        Busby i guess doesn’t believe in Z’s either.

        In this very article he also contends Richard Wakeford, yes the same guy from the committee, created a website about busby.

        “Stupid physicists? Make no mistake, physicists are stupid. They make themselves stupid by a kind of religious belief in mathematical modelling.”

        Mathematical modelling that busby, himself uses, called the Second Event Theory, which CERRIE, discredited.

        For me the jury is still out on Busby. Apologies for long post.


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        • VanneV anne

          Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment (Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences)
          “This volume, written by leading authorities from Eastern Europe, outlines the history of the health and environmental consequences of the Chernobyl disaster. Although there has been much discussion concerning the impacts of nuclear accidents, and Chernobyl in particular, never before has there been a comprehensive presentation of all the available information concerning the health and environmental effects of the low dose radioactive contaminants that were emitted from the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. The official discussions emanating from the IAEA and associated UN agencies (e.g. the Chernobyl Forum reports) have largely downplayed or ignored many of the findings reported in the Eastern European scientific literature and as a consequence these reports have erred on the side of negative findings simply because much of what was known was not included in their assessments. This new book provides a complete and extensive summary of all known research, including that published in Russian and Ukrainian, and provides new insights to the likely long term health and environmental consequences of nuclear accidents. “
          http://www.amazon.com/Chernobyl-Consequences-Catastrophe-Environment-Sciences/dp/1573317578


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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          Methinks he doth protest too much.


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        • VanneV anne

          The following was posted by extra knight
          June 29, 2011 at 8:49 pm
          Plutonium-239 is a very hazardous carcinogen which can also be used to make nuclear weapons. This combination of properties makes it one of the most dangerous substances. Plutonium-239, while present in only trace quantities in nature, has been made in large quantities in both military and commercial programs in the last 50 years. Other more radioactive carcinogens do exist, like radium-226, but unlike plutonium-239 cannot be used to make nuclear weapons, or are not available in quantity. Highly enriched uranium (HEU) can also be used to make nuclear weapons, but it is roughly one thousand times less radioactive than plutonium-239. The danger is aggravated by the fact that plutonium-239 is relatively difficult to detect once it is outside of secure, well-instrumented facilities, or once it has been incorporated into the body. This is because its gamma ray emissions, which provide the easiest method of detection of radionuclides, are relatively weak…
          During and after the end of World War II, scientists working on the Manhattan Project and other nuclear weapons research projects conducted studies of the effects of plutonium on laboratory animals and human subjects.[70] Animal studies found that a few milligrams of plutonium per kilogram of tissue is a lethal dose.[71]
          [70]• ^ a b c Moss, William; Eckhardt, Roger (1995). “The Human Plutonium Injection Experiments” (PDF). Los Alamos Science (Los Alamos National Laboratory) 23: 188, 205, 208, 214. Retrieved June 6, 2006.
          [71]• ^ a b Voelz, George L. (2000). “Plutonium and Health: How great is the risk?”. Los Alamos Science (Los Alamos (NM): Los Alamos National Laboratory) (26): 78–79.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium#Medical_experimentation

          http://enenews.com/time-com-is-new-mexicos-los-alamos-national-laboratory-really-safe


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          • VanneV anne

            Reactor 3 Breach To Free Deadly Plutonium Cocktail
            Thursday, 17 Mar 2011 12:07 PM
            By David A. Patten

            “Dr. Arjun Makhijani, an electrical and nuclear engineer for nearly four decades, who serves as president of the Institute for Energy and Environmental research, tells Newsmax that plutonium is “much more” toxic than uranium.

            “No. 3 is the containment vessel authorities believe may have been breached by an explosion. The fear is that another explosion would loose a plume containing fine particles of plutonium which, if inhaled, could cause a major risk of lung and other cancers.

            “That danger is increased by the fact that Mox is made by grinding the plutonium into fine particles, increasing the potential threat.

            “Makhijani tells Newsmax that plutonium is “a very hazardous carcinogen,” and is the most toxic substance that can also be used to create a nuclear reaction.

            “He also tells Newsmax that inhalation of as little as one-millionth of an ounce – an almost undetectable particle size — has been linked to elevated risks of lung cancer.

            “If emitted by energy plant in Tokyo, tiny airborne particles of plutonium would cause an extraordinary health hazard. The radioactive material has an extraordinary half-life of 88 years, meaning the particles would be a silent killer for generations if someone would inhale them.

            “Activists have warned about the dangers of MOX fuel for years. But the meltdown in Japan is the first nuclear accident involving Mox fuel.

            “It’s not clear if the containment in No. 3 has been breached. Japanese authorities said that was unlikely, but they detected a surprising drop in pressure readings from within the containment vessel on Wednesday. That would either suggest faulty sensor readings, or a rupture in containment.

            “The New York Times is reporting Japan’s focus on No. 3 indicates that is seen as the biggest threat.

            “’Western nuclear engineers have said that the release of Mox into the atmosphere would produce a more dangerous radioactive plume than the dispersal of uranium fuel rods at the site,’ the newspaper reported Thursday.”


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          • VanneV anne

            Fukushima Equals 3,000 Billion Lethal Doses
            “Dr. Michio Kaku pointed out on CNN March 18, 2011, Chernobyl involved one reactor and only 57.6 Tons of the reactor core went into the atmosphere. In dramatic contrast, the Fukushima Daiichi disaster immediately involved six reactors and IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency, a UN Agency) documented 2,800 Tons of highly radioactive old reactor cores.
            “Looking at the current Japanese meltdown as more than 50 Chernobyls is one way some people are beginning to estimate the disaster. Simple division tells us there are at least 48.6 Chernobyls in the burning old reactor cores pumping fiery isotopes into the Earth’s atmosphere. Some are calculating that this all adds up to three thousand billion (3,000,000,000,000) Lethal Doses of Radiation means there are 429 Lethal Doses chasing each and every one of us on the planet, to put it in a nutshell.
            “’Those who deny or deceptively play down the catastrophic threats to public health from all phases of the nuclear power cycle, from mining to the lack of any proven solution to permanent and safe disposal of very long-term deadly spent nuclear fuel, recklessly ignore the medical/scientific lessons we should have learned from current and previous nuclear accidents,’ writes Rudi H. Nussbaum who is a Professor emeritus of Physics and Environmental Sciences at Portland State University.”
            http://blog.imva.info/medicine/preface-nuclear-toxicity-syndrome


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        • VanneV anne

          This whole book is online. THE NUCLEAR ENERGY OPTION, Bernard L. Cohen, Plenum Press, 1990
          http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~blc/book/
          At the beginning of chapter 13, speaking of plutonium, the author says, “As the most important ingredient in nuclear bombs, it may someday be responsible for killing untold millions of people”


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          • jdotg

            Hahaha perhaps you missed that link when i gave it to you yesterday, perhaps you didnt read it, perhaps you forgot at the end he suggests radiation is not as bad as believed. Perhaps you forgot Berand Cohen is pro nuke.


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          • jdotg

            Hahaha perhaps you missed that link when i gave it to you yesterday, perhaps you didnt read it, perhaps you forgot at the end he suggests radiation is not as bad as believed. Perhaps you forgot Bernard Cohen is pro nuke.


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        • VanneV anne

          1991 was the last time anyone published information on the workers exposed to plutonium during the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos in 1944 and 1945. One had died of bone cancer, and three of lung cancer.
          There were weaknesses in the study, but the expected 1 in 100 to develop bone cancer compared to 1 in 26 of the subjects is significant.
          Health Effects of Plutonium, By Arjun Makhijani (1997)

          “One of the few attempts to analyze the effects of microgram quantities of plutonium on exposed human subjects was a long-term study of 26 “white male subjects” from the Manhattan Project exposed to plutonium at Los Alamos in 1944 and 1945, where the first nuclear weapons were made. These subjects have been followed for a long period of time, with the health status of the subjects periodically published. The most recent results were published in a study in 1991.3
          “The amounts of plutonium deposited in the bodies of the subjects were estimated to range from ‘a low of 110 Bq (3 nCi) …up to 6960 Bq (188 nCi),’4 corresponding to a weight range of 0.043 micrograms to 3 micrograms. However, weaknesses in the study resulted in considerable uncertainties about the amount and solubility of plutonium actually incorporated at the time of exposure.5
          “Of the seven deaths by 1990, one was due to a bone cancer (bone sarcoma).6 Bone cancer is rare in humans. The chances of it normally being observed in a group of 26 men over a 40-year time frame is on the order one in 100. Thus, its existence in a plutonium-exposed man (who received a plutonium dose below that of current radiation protection guidelines) is significant. 7 “
          ENDNOTES
          1. Gamma rays consist of high energy photons, which are “packets” or quanta of electromagnetic energy.
          2. The energy deposited in a medium (per unit of mass) is measured in units of grays or rads (1 gray = 100 rads), while the biological damage is measured in sieverts or rems (1 sievert = 100 rems).
          3. G.L.Voelz and J.N.P. Lawrence, “A 42-year medical follow-up of Manhattan project plutonium workers.” Health Physics, Vol. 37, 1991, pp. 445-485.
          4. Ibid., p. 186.
          5. These aspects of the study are discussed in some detail in Gofman 1981, pp. 510-520 (based on the status of the Manhattan Project workers study as published in Voelz 1979). See J.W. Gofman, Radiation and Human Health, (San Francisco: Sierra Club Books, 1991), p. 516.
          6. Three of these deaths were due to lung cancer. It is difficult to assess the significance of this large percentage, since all three were smokers.
          7. Voelz, p. 189.
          http://www.ieer.org/ensec/no-3/puhealth.html


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        • VanneV anne

          The following was posted by Jebus
          June 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm
          http://enenews.com/professor-radioactive-particles-fukushima-like-poison-gas-except-going-kill-years-immediately-video/comment-page-1#comment-124669
          My reply to him is:
          That was then 1979
          This is now 2011
          According to the U.S.-based group of medical doctors Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR), no amount of man-made radiation in water and food is safe. “There is no safe level of radionuclide exposure, whether from food, water or other sources, period,” said Jeff Patterson, DO, immediate past president of PSR, in late March. “Exposure to radionuclides, such as iodine 131 and cesium 137, increases the incidence of cancer. For this reason, every effort must be taken to minimize the radionuclide content in food and water.”
          Doctor Alan Lockwood MD echoes this. “Consuming food containing radionuclides is particularly dangerous. If an individual ingests or inhales a radioactive particle, it continues to irradiate the body as long as it remains radioactive and stays in the body.”
          “Children are much more susceptible to the effects of radiation and stand a much greater chance of developing cancer than adults,” states Andrew Kanter, MD, president of PSR’s board. “So it is particularly dangerous when they consume radioactive food or water.”
          Should you panic about this? No. That will do no good. But you can call, write and email your congressperson, your senator, and any other elected officials in your district, ask them to push for testing of foods and water in your area, and tell them to take the threat of global nuclear fallout seriously. For while none of the 104 nuclear power plants in the U.S. are melting down at present, we have had our own nuclear accidents. Remember Three Mile Island? Radiation has made its way to the American dinner table. This is a time to speak out, and to put pressure on policy makers. Clearly, it’s far better to be politically active now than radioactive tomorrow.
          http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/06/29/radiation-in-our-food/
          Again, I don’t know how much more clearer it can be stated…
          The Plutonium Controversy, by John W. Gofman, MD, JAMA. 1976;236(3):284-286.,
          http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/236/3/284.extract
          “IF THE world chooses to seek a solution to the energy dilemma through nuclear energy, the element plutonium will become an article of commerce to be handled in quantities of thousands of tonnes annually. Plutonium is a uniquely potent inhalation carcinogen, the potential induction of lung cancer dwarfing other possible toxic effects. For reasons to be presented here, it is my opinion that plutonium’s carcinogenicity has been very seriously underestimated. If one couples the corrected carcinogenicity with the probable degree of industrial containment of the plutonium, it appears that the commercialization of a plutonium-based energy economy is not an acceptable option for society.
          Sagan’s statement1 that “the experience of 30 years supports the contention that plutonium can be used safely” is manifestly indefensible. No meaningful epidemiological study of plutonium-exposed workers for that 30-year period has ever been done. Since thousands of those possibly exposed have left the industry and are ….”
          [Full article at:]
          http://tobaccodocuments.org/ti/TIMN0093365-3367.html


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        • arclight arclight

          hi jdotg thanks for introducing these wonderful academics! i think im on the fence with this wakeford chap..his linkdin page shows hes never had a proper job! :)

          Professor Richard Wakeford, hmmmm!

          “What these people have in common is ignorance. You may think a professor at a university must actually know something about their subject. But this is not so. Nearly all of these experts who appear and pontificate have not actually done any research on the issue of radiation and health. Or if they have, they seem to have missed all the key studies and references. I leave out the real baddies, who are closely attached to the nuclear industry, like Richard Wakeford, or Richard D as he calls himself on the anonymous website he has set up to attack me, “chrisbusbyexposed.”

          I saw him a few times talking down the accident on the television, labelled in the stripe as Professor Richard Wakeford, University of Manchester. Incidentally, Wakeford is a physicist, his PhD was in particle physics at Liverpool. But he was not presented as ex-Principle Scientist, British Nuclear Fuels, Sellafield. That might have given the viewers the wrong idea.”

          Liked this guy better though! Bit more obviously pr ,,, and I give you mr Malcolm grimston errr scientist!

          “Early on we saw another baddy, Malcolm Grimston, talking about radiation and health, described as Professor, Imperial College. Grimston is a psychologist, not a scientist, and his expertise was in examining why the public was frightened of radiation, and how their (emotional) views could be changed. But his lack of scientific training didn’t stop him explaining on TV and radio how the Fukushima accident was nothing to worry about. The doses were too low, nothing like Chernobyl, not as bad as 3-Mile Island, only 4 on the scale, all the usual blather.”

          http://www.businessinsider.com/deconstructing-nuclear-experts-2011-3#ixzz1WHU8ZpXn

          and some explanaition of scientific smoothing for the nuke crowd here ….this describes a unique radiological study completed recently… page 3 left column last paragraph, clearly states manipulation of perception of reports!!

          http://www.nirs.org/radiation/radhealth/kikkcommentary0709ijoeh.pdf


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        • dharmasyd dharmasyd

          jdotg~~~

          You said you were interested in my encounter with Teller (and Seaborg), but I don’t think you will be very enthusiastic about what I have to say because, instead of being based on extensive intellectual documentation, it is based on mere human response and perception.

          First let me thank you for your pdf Cerries links. I’ll read them when I have time. I’m a disabled senior, 78 with CPOD and emphysema, and do not therefore, have the energy any longer to do extensive research.

          When I was a student (undergrad) at UCB, I supplemented my income by waiting tables at the Claremont Hotel. This was during the days of the Bomb tests in the Pacific, the 1950s. These were the days when the Quakers were sending asparagus to Eisenhower, when many of us were dissuaded from eating vegetables or drinking milk.

          My freinds from the physics and math departments and I were going around in the rain with geiger counters to measure the radiation of cars in UCB parking lots. That dissuaded us even further from drinking milk, etc.

          This was the time when the AEC (Atomic Energy Commission), previous name for the NRC, was issuing statements telling the population to have no fear. The milk and vegetables were completely safe, according to the AEC.

          Because so many of the scientists involved in the AEC at that time resided in Berkeley, they frequently held their meetings in Berkeley with banquets at the Claremeont Hotel, where I worked as a banquet waitress. (I also worked at LBNLs, but that’s another story.)

          At one banquet during the height of the controversy about radiation, while the AEC was issuing statements about food safety, I was assigned to the head table for an AEC banquet.

          Being assigned the head table mean’t that I served the food to the VIVIVIPs of the AEC. The only people whose names I know were Glenn Seaborg, then chairman of the AEC, and Edward Teller.

          Seaborg and Teller, along with the others, whose names I don’t recall, were fastidious in avoiding the questionable foods (which the AEC was telling us were safe to eat). They spooned the sour cream out of their baked potatoes, declined the salads, and scooped the whipped creme off the deserts.

          Coincidence? Perhaps! My distorted memory? Perhaps! My predjudicial pre- judgements due to my physicist friends and our geiger counter readings? Perhaps!

          But I only know that the power of nuclear energy can only be handled with the greatest of patience and respect. These are two qualities which have not been adequately adopted within the nuclear industry.

          And therefore, We have become Death, the Killer of Worlds.

          If we survive, nuclear energy is perhaps the only power sufficient to accomodate our exploration on the the world beyond our solar system, and on… But this will only happen if we have sufficient respect for this power to allow our continued survival.

          Patience and respect, jdotg, patience and respect!


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          • Steven Steven

            Wonderful story dharmasyd, sounds about right to me.


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          • Sickputer

            That is so good dharmasyd…a real “Kodak” moment… You need to contact Maija for her book she is working on. This would be a great first person anecdote.

            For newcomers…see my June 3rd Kodak comments back when we had truncated posts:

            http://enenews.com/iaea-is-mandated-to-accelerate-and-enlarge-the-contribution-of-atomic-energy-like-expecting-a-tobacco-company-to-prevent-lung-cancer

            Comments 26,27,28, and 29

            I consider that Kodak story the penultimate smoking gun indictment of the 50 year history of the American nuclear industry (military and civilian) for the fallout dangers they deliberately lied about to the public.


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          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            Thanks Steven and sickputer. I’m trying to write something up now. snd thanks forthe suggestion to contact majia. Will do.


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          • lokay5

            dharmasyd
            That’s an interesting story about the Claremont dinners.
            My uncle worked at Lawrence Berkely and at Livermore. I have some photos of some of the cyclotron/bevatron target projects. I also have some photos of Glenn Seaborg with my uncle, and people from the Berkely Rad Lab at Spenger’s.
            I have Seaborg’s signature on my uncle’s retirement card, along with Louis Avarez’s.
            My long-time friend from High School worked at Berkely Tonometer on 7th, and Alvarez was friends with the owner and stopped in often to visit.
            We’ve often thought it would be interesting to see where some of these people lived h they were in the in the Bay Area. I have seen pictures of Oppenheimer’s home in Kensington, and Teller’s home, too. I guess I’d never suspect that they would live in everyday, ordinary houses. I don’t know why they wouldn’t have, I just never thought about it.
            My uncle died of cancer in the ’70s and I have CML, a form of leukemia.
            Yes, the fifties and sixties were amazing.
            As it was once said; They were the best of times, they were the worst of times.

            (Friends in High School used to sneak into the Claremont and go to the top floor and slide down the fire escape, which was a spiral slide down through the dark, center interior of the building.
            It was an arrestable offense; tresspassing.
            So I never did it. I was “chicken”)


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        • Steven Steven

          @ jdotg

          While I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says, I’ll just link to Alex Jones here so you get some idea what you are up against:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9YWqbi9EH4&feature=player_embedded


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        • VanneV anne

          Russian village huge human nuclear experiment
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR1wo5s3Ua4&feature=player_embedded
          “Villagers outside the Russian nuclear Mayak, a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant on the River Techa are kept in place to study. A major accident 50 years ago and many leaks have poisoned the area. Generations of human guinea pigs are reported on as part of a long-term radiation poisoning study. A “resettlement zone” is also in the contaminated Chelyabinsk area.”

          Chernobyl Decay and Deformed
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAJ_u3Q0Hw&feature=fvwp&NR=1
          EXTREME BIRTH DEFORMITIES
          “Unborn children of the region [are] being asked to pay the highest price, the integrity of their DNA.”

          - Ross B. Mirkarimi, The Arms Control Research Centre, from his report: ‘The Environmental and Human Health Impacts of the Gulf Region with Special Reference to Iraq.’ May 1992
          http://stgvisie.home.xs4all.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html


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      • nohobear nohobear

        That’s the last thing the Japanese government wants. The information is purposely being let out in drips and drabs. They want to prevent a panic, not out of humanitarian reasons, but to buy time for the elite, the financial markets, the corporations to make plans to relocate their resources away from the disaster. The ordinary people and the children of Japan are collateral damage and do not factor in, and therefore need not be told the whole truth, which if known, might save some from the radiation poisoning that awaits them.

        It’s classic psyops control of the Japanese people. Let out just enough truth and half truths to make the people believe the government has their best interests at heart. Forestall any widespread rebellion against the government or immediate societal breakdown.

        The elites of Japan,(government,corporate) know how bad it is and will become. They are taking care of themselves first.

        This is a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted. But it won’t be. And it will play out again when (not if) the next country has a nuclear disaster. Don’t kid yourselves that the nuke industry and government would play it any differently in France or the U.S.

        I’ve lived 2/3rds of my life. If I’m lucky (or unlucky considering how fast my country and the world seems to be disintegrating at the seams) with my remaining time on this planet, I will fight, speak out, and try to warn others of the insanity of nuclear fission. I pray that there is an awakening of humanity, and the world’s people rise up to shut down every last one of these death timebombs.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    I am thankful for Dr. Busby and those professionals who are informing the public, and who are trying to fix this mess.
    They are more concerned over the people, and the world in which we live in, they are all brave.

    I hope that the officials will listen, take them serious, then do the right thing for the people and for this world.

    It’s frustrating and heart breaking, when you know what should be done, and then it’s not.

    “Nuclear Power To Great Of A Risk”


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    • arclight arclight

      nicely put wsp!!


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    • Jebus

      Yes, thank you Windsor. It is good to know that there are people out there with professional intelligence, like Busby and Gunderson, that care obout other’s real quality of life. Some just spout out what they are told with a stagnant mind’s eye, that can’t see the forrest but for the trees. Our youth is destined to a life of slavery to the masters of the dollar.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Thank you arclight and Jebus for such a nice compliment.

      I agree, it is nice to know that there are people out there with professional intelligence, like Busby and Gunderson and others, who care.

      The professional people in the nuclear field who are speaking out seem to be older, and the ones who have sites/blogging, who are doing the investigation work, and interviewing seem to be younger.

      I’m not seeing the young ones in this field speaking out, or maybe I’m just missing their interviews?


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Windor They may not be near enough retirement to take the risk, might be very conditioned by the martial and covert nature and culture of the nuclear power industry or there ARE individuals, my belief, who want to share more accurate information but a couple things prevent this: 1) the very nature of nuclear power is corporativist. One is not allowed to speak out, even if one wanted to do so and 2) If one were basically sacrificing one’s career in the totally nasty, insular, clannish and cliquish, fascist nuclear power industry to get the truth out, the media around the world is being increasingly controlled by the nuclear power industry, complicit governments and covert orgs associated with the United States, primarily, and Japan. The censorship and intentionality of the news in the English language is well known around the world wherever English is not the first or only language. The U.S. media is the same all the way from the far left (not an extreme; we wish it were more so) to Fox (Faux) News. All one story, from coast to coast 24/7. The ownership of the English language media is entirely and inextricably enmeshed with nuclear power and defense contractor corporations and covert organizations.


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        • WindorSolarPlease

          I thought it maybe was, because they would lose their career if they spoke out.

          However, what good is a career in this field when it is hurting their own and their family’s environment?

          Maybe the ones who do want to speak out, make a difference there at the plants, in working that much harder looking for leaks and such.

          You are right, the media doesn’t like to report on the dangers of nuclear power.
          Even with the storm Irene, they don’t mention the plants.


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  • cant fool all the people all the time

    Doesn’t the concrete sarcophagus around Chernobyl leak? Is it even possible to dig under ground and build something like that around fukyoushima? What’s the ground really like below the reactors? And the water they’re using to cool the core, what fuel rods left, where is that going ( ie water table, out to sea) and nearly as important as all the airborne questions of the radio-isotopes – what happens when these suckers get into salty sea water and or drinking water? Do they dilute in any sort of way or contaminate everything they come in contact with as they travel along through the sea lanes of the world? I mean where do you evacuate these folks if people are getting blasted on the west coast of USA and of course hawaii? That is, without a reliable radiation map (which has to be shifting if the plants are still spewing death) how does anyone really know which way is truly safe? I’ve only questions at this point with potential answers that make it hard to sleep come the night


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    • 1. The Chernobyl sarcophagus does leak and the structure is failing and needs replaced. (It’s now 25 years old) Funding to keep it ‘as is’ is lacking.

      2. Digging under Fuku? My understanding is that it is NOT a possibility, since it is located at the beach. (sand & rock)

      3. Dilution…? (The long answer)

      Spread of Radiation Contamination:
      I do not feel ‘dilution’ is anywhere near a solution for Fukushima fallout. I would call it uncontrolled random ‘SPREADING’ and ‘ACCUMULATION’.

      Using the word dilution sort of applies to a single one time event perhaps. Like a nuke bomb going off or a Three Mile Island event. Fukushima however is literally the ‘cat out of the bag’ syndrome and with ongoing multiple scenarios. (Air, soil, ocean dumping x multiples meltdowns, not to mention ‘other’ unknowns)

      Even when contaminated animals die the spot they come to rest at will then become contaminated. If someone comes along and plants a peach tree five years later on that spot. Guess what? If rain water passes over that spot. Guess what? Animals that eat contaminated food or water will defecate at some point. Guess what? It will continue to spread in more ways than we can think of. It IS insidious.

      Perhaps the questions should be something like:
      1. How do things like Strontium and Cesium spread?
      2. What REALLY are the ‘chain’ of events that are unfolding?
      3. Can anything be done to ‘slow’ down the spread?
      4. How far and wide will it go?
      5. Shouldn’t we already be testing or getting ready to test the ‘bejeebers’ out of just about everything?

      Nobody, wants to imagine or even talk about the actual ‘SPREAD’ subject because the reality is the ‘spread’ cannot be stopped. It’s ongoing wherever it lands and whatever it touches until the radioactive decay ceases. For you and I this will go on long after our lifetime. (several lifetimes)

      In the cases of both cesium and strontium 90 it will remain hazardous to life for about 300 years. (Always mentioning the 30 year half-life of cesium is very misleading in my opinion) Half-life is not what’s important to people, it’s the amount of time it remains HAZARDOUS, that’s the real key!
      (remember the equation -> Half-life x 10 equals ‘hazardous’ life span)

      Cesium spread map (Aug 1st, 2011): http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/08/01/world/asia/01radiation-graphic.html?ref=asia

      Unfortunately, it will continue to grow like a blob.

      As far as I know there are really only 3 things that can be done:

      1. Run from it!!!
      (that will only work for so long)

      2. Bury it very deep or dump it into the ocean.
      (so someone or something can find it later)

      3. Not allow it to happen in the first place.
      (We were lied to with ‘atoms for peace’ and the politicians/military convinced an unaware public, (kept in the dark), that it ‘was’ the thing to do. We bought into it. We wanted to believe we could win the lottery. Good intentions. Maybe? But, it sure did not work out that way. I know, hindsight is 20/20.)

      I am sure the Nuclear Experts will someday say. “This is truly regrettable, we thought we could control it. Oops. We never expected multiple fail safes to fail. We thought the containment vessels we’re fool proof. Oops again.”


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      I ask myself the same questions, you are not alone being sleepless…. :-(


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  • Jebus

    Does anyone need any more proof as to the intent of IT?
    Or where IT comes from?
    The best thing to do is to IGNORE IT and carry on with our work here.
    Capiche?


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  • GUILTY by Omission: (criminal law) This is indeed criminal, and the ‘experts’ and their ‘cronies’ know it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_%28criminal_law%29
    ___________________

    “…advanced degrees confer no special expertise in either common sense or morality. That’s why many laymen are better qualified to judge nuclear power than are the so-called experts.” – Dr. John Gofman Medical Physicist (Nuclear Power Pioneer)
    http://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/articles/nuclear-witnesses-insiders-speak-out-john-w-gofman-medical-physicist.html#


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  • cant fool all the people all the time

    Thanks ChasAha for some answers and better questions to what’s in the works and clearly coming down the pike. The spreadiation seems like it’ll be near impossible to dodge as it vectors in through many incarnations. Radioactive dog shit from four years ago doused with the right rain water over your apple tree roots today and voila – you’ve got the hot strange fruit waiting for you. Does a geiger counter pick this up? Seems like you gotta accept that as the big ugly in japan goes on and on through accumulation byway of spreadation and the X factors we know not about, pretty much no matter how careful you are, you’re gonna get zaooed and blasted – contaminated, I’m saying. With that in mind, what’s the next line of defense for trying to stay healthy, keeping your kids healthy? Diet? supplements? A cave with a deep water well? Do you give your children iodine pills? How long? Do you give them zeolite? What kind of doses? And what sinister ways will strontium and Cesium find to get atcha in this unprecedented world event? Pretending nothing is wrong never seems to get folks too far. Why governments would employ this technique only leads to ugly assumptions with worst conclusions that ripple and resonate as you look back through time at how some of the heavy handed cover ups have been lobbed over the people at large. For us in the states, look no further than BP and the gulf – what’s with the no fly zone? why you gotta put police on the beach to stop reporters from snapping photos of the environmental crimes. I’m just sayin


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  • theonlyjesse

    Truly weird. A few days ago I saw several workers doing something to the large pipes in the lower left corner, anyone else happen to see that?


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  • Sickputer

    OK…a better look at the worker on time lapse:

    http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live#p/u/2/C4Xfo23IBaM

    On 3:00 minute time line (which is 20X speed or 1 second is 20 seconds real time)…the worker appears at about 1:28…swings his arm which we didn’t see in the other clip and stays there for 63 time lapse seconds (1:28 leaves). That is 21 minutes of real time.

    Then the fun really begins! He comes back in two minutes real time and stays for 40 seconds of real time…this is as closeup as you will ever see a worker!

    See the segment 1:33 to 1:35. You will see his glove right index finger is what we thought was a wand…he is so close you can see his eyes and he is not wearing glasses.


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  • Granny M

    I am watching the awesome string of California quakes and wondering about the difference between shallow and deep quakes…any geology geeks out there have info, references to enlighten me?


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  • Granny M

    oops – meant that for the general thread…


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    • Steven Steven

      The Vikings maintained a robust lineage by leaving sickly or deformed babies out in the snow. One of those issues I personally can’t fathom, but I do know one thing; there would be far fewer of these choices to make in a nuclear free world (too late now, methinks) :(


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    • Bobby1

      AC,

      The doctors collaborate in genocide, like the German doctors collaborated with the Nazis and their genocidal policies.

      There is big money in sickness and death.


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    • Sickputer

      So terrible for the children…who would believe such a story by doctors of large cases of “pneumonia” in August.

      I guess they only respect massive radiation burn marks from atomic bombs, the hell with invisible fallout killing insiduously.

      By inaction, the authorities are carrying a policy of genocide for their future citizens.


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