Professor: “Really disturbed” by recent solar flares — We could have lots of Fukushima-type events if one causes power blackout (VIDEO)

Published: November 22nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm ET


Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, November 20, 2012:

Professor Michio Kaku, City College of New York

Published: November 22nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm ET


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96 comments to Professor: “Really disturbed” by recent solar flares — We could have lots of Fukushima-type events if one causes power blackout (VIDEO)

  • * Here's the current forecast from:

    –"BIG SUNSPOT AR1618: The magnetic canopy of sunspot AR1618 is crackling with M-class solar flares, and NOAA forecasters say an X-flare could be in the offing. AR1618 has a delta-class magnetic field that harbors energy for the strongest eruptions. Any flares today would likely be Earth-directed as the sunspot is directly facing our planet."

    * Best wishes to all that we get safely through the next 36 hours –and the next 12 months {{hugs}}

    * Please take some time to send your representatives and senators some direly serious email.

    * Forget about writing to Obama. He's hopeless. Right after 3/11/11 he dispatched Hillary Clinton to make sure we'd be importing lots of Japanese seafood. (Our rad contamination standards are 10x more slack than theirs, you see.)


    • Weeping Lulu Weeping Lulu

      That Professor Kaku, during fukumonster melt down almost made me pee my pants, I kinda don't like his videos where he gets a lil too truthful lol. Anyways here is a sit Im looking for the one where it shows direct correlation map where it shows when a flare happens, where an earthquake will show up and it's been acurate in the past up to 3 days or week before an earthquake.

    • When I posted the lead comment here, the NOAA's 48-hour forecast (see lower left of page) at:


      –was current. Shortly thereafter we saw the same language that I quoted, but the NOAA's forecasted 30% chance of an X-class flare had been reduced to 1%, per:


      I emailed Space Weather, asking if solar forecasting is actually that wildly unpredictable, but my e-pistle bounced due to their mailbox being in a state of overflow.

      * Maybe someone else here can comment on the reliability of NOAA's solar forecasts.

      I worry that when the time comes for transmission line and NPP managers to batten down the hatches against a CME induced geomagnetic storm, NOAA and Space Weather won't be taken seriously.


      • guezilla has some more detailed public information from NOAA. With regards to the X-class flare probability, "[the sunspot group] has experienced
        intermediate penumbral decay" which is to say the magnetic fields which form the sunspots and cause solar flares have weakened.

        Yesterday there was a 70% probability there wouldn't be X-class flare, today that probability seems to have realized. It's natural that the true probability of an event will keep rising until it either reaches 100%, or starts to drop down towards 0%. Since the forecasts are generally issued daily, we'll only get snapshots along the way. And of course the predictions aren't so perfect they can exactly tell when the 100% occurs.

        NOAA does track their accuracy, with multitude of tricky plots like however it's quite a cop-out that the highest they predict is X-class flare. An X1 which would be a yawner, X10 that would be cause for some nice aurora, or X100 that could be civilization threatening event all get lobbed into one bin, so in a way their accuracy at that level is meaningless.

  • harengus_acidophilus

    Just draw the picture of an 1859-style CME in our fully wired world.
    You have to draw a lot of sparks.

    But this time… don't panic, it's just a m-class flare.


  • weeman

    This is a real possibility if not now some time in the future, complete loss off site power to nuclear reactors with no chance of recovery for months, years, multiple melt downs, no cooling to spent fuel pools, no generators burned out.
    It takes five years to cool the pools and weeks to archive cold shut down this is a extinction level event.
    Even if you closed them all today their is no guarantee we could save them.
    I bet you that in their emergency hand book their is no chapter on this and how to handle, cause their is no way to handle this situation you are screwed and about to be exterminated.
    Madness it makes me so angry, a so called intelligent species can allow it to come to this point, pure madness.
    May the space continuum have mercy on our souls.

  • "They will melt down won't they?" – interviewer

    "Yeah…" – Kaku

    "So far we've dodged the bullet…"
    "We could have lots of these."
    "It would be a nightmare."
    "It only takes a few minutes for a core to meltdown."
    – Kaku

    This is informative and important.
    It should be THE #1 mainstream news headline.

    Instead we get… A military general reality show starring his overpaid 'personal' biographer. I wish I had one of those.

    Or… We get a bunch of 'bad shot' fanatics calling each other names and lobbing missiles.

    Or… They talk about a 'financial cliff' coming.
    A cliff that was never mentioned during the election.

    The mainstream daily headline should be:
    [ WARNING: Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant TRIPLE Meltdowns Causing Rapid Radioactive Contamination Of The Planet: All NPPs At High Risk! ]

  • vivvi

    It seems to be self evident that you should not create a nuclear bomb in situ that is dependent on offsite electric power to keep it from exploding. Unless of course you dont care if it explodes. The fact that solar flares ARE CAPABLE of destroying power grids should have been an absolute deal breaker for the notion of nuke plant construction, but we are obviously dealing with psychopathic money addicts who do not care about the consequences of their actions.


      +++ vivvi…

    • Well, they could always put them underground:

      U.S. backs project for small nuclear reactors
      By Matt Smith, CNN
      updated 7:31 PM EST, Wed November 21, 2012

      (CNN) — The Department of Energy is putting federal money behind the development of small-scale nuclear reactors that supporters say are cheaper, safer and easier to build, though the design still needs federal approval.
      The first award under a $452 million program to boost the development of small modular reactors will go to a consortium led by Babcock & Wilcox and the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Southeastern utility that already operates three commercial nuclear plants. The reactors will be about a third the size of those now used in nuclear power plants, with the B&W design generating about 180 megawatts of electricity — enough to power almost 200,000 homes.

      However, industry skeptics say the economics and the safety of the concept remain untested.


      In case you didn't catch it, they have strange beings called "skeptics" in the nuclear industry, or those posing as such.

      I'm not sure how earthquake-proof these underground nukes would be.

      • 16Penny 16Penny

        With what we have been seeing with regards to the sinkhole you really think it is wise to go there? I don't want one under my house, town or state for that matter. Just think of the problems we would face cleaning up a nuclear mess underground after an accident. The crap just starts out that much closer to the water supplies and then how would we know if there was an accident? They wouldn't even have to sweep it under the rug, it already is under the rug. I do not trust these businessmen and politicians enough to even consider this idea. They have proven their character through decades of deception, corruption and manipulation. I was honestly hoping for a slow news day today, then I saw this and the sinkhole. I am thankful that there is a place, ENE, and enough sane people left in our society to stand courageously against this crap.

        • Yes, I thought of the water table and possible effects thereof.

          Good that you brought up the sinkhole. Imagine if they'd had their cute little nukeys with down there.

          You're right, probably just them trying to hide the inevitable nasties underground – tritium leakage, EQ damage, power loss and so on.

      • Maggie123

        Great and welcome thinking everyone – thanks! Some posts and thoughts on this also at 'general discussion nuclear issues).

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Underground: Much harder to take care of during an emergency. Much harder to decommission. Can't just leave them there as will contaminate ground water after a meltdown.

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      yep – absolutely bang on vivvi

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I hate to sound so negative but it really doesn't matter. If we shut down all the nuclear reactors in the world today, we have no 100% safe storage to encase all the spent fuel, as even casks are not fool proof, they leak, etc. See Beyond Nuclear for their take as it states the reasons. Man has really done it this time. I hope I'm wrong but the more research the status looks very bleak for our species and the planet due to mans stupidity and our ignorance. NO NUKES

  • irhologram

    And then there's the fact that it would only take the expense of ONE military hi-tech plane to get the grid TOTALLY up to speed. Very do-able. Then you have to ask. WHY? Why won't they?

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Yes, I heard the same, that for the cost of one B-2 bomber, between $1-2 Billion, the grid could be updated and secured.

      I stopped asking why our congressional corporate lackeys won't do things like this when I came to understand, years ago, that our government ALWAYS does what is in the public's short-term interest, at the expense and to the detriment of their long-term security and benefit.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Info on upgrading the power grid againsy solar flares is here:

      >>>"well-known physicist Michio Kaku and other members of the American Physical Society asked Congress to appropriate $100 million to harden the country’s electrical grid against solar flares.

      Congress refused."<<<

      From Washington's Blog, republished on Global Research.

      Sorry if someone has already posted this, but I don't have time to look through again. Earlier it was not included.

      • Maggie123

        dharmasyd – thanks for the link, it's helpful even if previously posted, over time good info gets lost for understandable reasons and I don't mind duplicated info/links at all!

        I've bookmarked articles from on different issues for several years, but have so much stuff bookmarked my computer is like a large library stack – browsing takes 'forever'! Thank you for this! Have started a new bookmark folder specific to solar based issues and your link with others from this thread are now where I can find them! 🙂

  • The number of wind turbines you could get into a small nuke plant and in the coastal area, would provide 200,000 homes with electric.

    • Maggie123

      53north – what if money thought necessary for even small nuke plants were made available for roof-top wind generators of small businesses, apartments, and homes! Decentralized elec generation, yet hooked into a grid to cover one another's communities during break downs or low winds? I so want a shift from mega-projects – do you happen to know if any region has begun to develop along 'small is beautiful' (Schumacher) lines – or better yet, are there any nations that can serve as models!

  • dosdos dosdos

    I still see December 22 on my calendar.

    I agree that a big flare, a prolonged G4 or G5, combined with an X2 or better, could cause enough havoc with the grids to send us into global nuclear mayhem. But I'm not seeing any prediction of one for the rest of the year. At worst, the sun is considered moderately aggitated, a G1/G2 for a couple of days. That's not enough to blow circuits, as past examples have proved with ample margins.

    Fear the big ones, but there aren't any in sight yet.

    • lam335 lam335

      What is supposed to happen on Dec. 22?

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        Doomsday, according to Dr. Rollin Gillespie:

        "Scientists have noted that when Jupiter and Saturn are aligned on the same side of the Sun, the solar maximum (the period when we have the most sunspots and flares) is at its weakest; when they are on opposite sides of the Sun the solar maximum is at its strongest. The positions of these two planets on December 21, 2012 are ideal for extreme solar activity".

        Happy New Year.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          “…It's also important to stress that December 21, 2012 is only the ‘solar maximum’ but that the gravitational effects of the Galaxy have already started to assert their influence on the Sun. The drift towards alignment with the galactic equator is relatively slow and, in truth, has already started. But the precise culmination of this, plus the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn all make 12/21/12 an onimous date….”

          • jump-ball jump-ball

            Anne's otherwise nice except from my mondovista quote above needs to be corrected, so as to read properly:

            "…that December 21, 2012 is NOT only the 'solar maximum'…


            "…plus the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn all make 12/21/12 an OMINOUS date…"

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          So, it's good news and bad: the earth was 'flash-baked' around 12,950 BC, is the bad news, according to Dr. Paul LaViolette. The good news is that 2000 people survived, according to Dr. Marcus Feldman:

    • guezilla

      The largest measured solar flare in modern times was the 2003 event which was strong enough to effectively saturate/blind the monitoring satellites. Hence it was initially considered X23, but further data on its effects seems to indicate it was at least X45. (The scale is non-logarithmic, hence X45 is 2.25 times X20)

      Despite that no calamities or ends of world happened, only minor disturbances. During that solar cycle peak several other X20+ flares occurred, again with minor disturbances. While it does have a great deal to do with how directly the flare is aimed at Earth along sun's magnetic lines, I've gotten pretty tried of media announcing doom and gloom and end of the world because of flares that aren't even X1.

      The current solar cycle (that actually peaks in 2013) is much less active/powerful than the last one which generated those flares. Regardless, it's impossible to predict individual solar flares even weeks ahead, so a strong X-class flare is always possible though very unlikely. As long as X-class designation can even even be pinned on it, history indicates earthlings have little to worry. If officials announce "We've lost contact with all our sun-facing satellites, and have no idea what's coming", then it's time to worry.

      (And that said, an earthwards X1 or X2 is actually possible or "predicted" at 1% chance just currently)

      • * At least on the Space Weather page, NOAA doesn't forecast what level of M or X class (re: your "X1 or X2"), just whether some kind of X or M level flare might be in the offering.

        * The currently posted "1% chance" of an X-class flare is a curious stand-down from the 70%-M and 30%-X 48-hour forecast posted just previous –per:



        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          TY, Craig123. In addition, all we need is a major earthquake in Japan near Rokkasho nuclear reprocessing plant, or near FukuDaiichi or an explosion of the sinkhole in LA or a major earthquake on the New Madrid, or some foreign power using an EMP bomb, etc. to see the final curtain. Or maybe, we have already seen it on 3/11/2011.

  • ftlt

    Kaku makes me a bit nervous … I've heard him dumb it down on NPR Science Friday on Fukushima and other major media appearances…. When asked, why he is so often inconsistent with his answers and statements in his many media various appearances??? He basically said, "It depends on my audience"…

    What is going on with this guy??? This concerns me???

    • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

      I bet he follows money $$$ 😉
      He's got the same kind of energy as Hilary.

      We should dig deeper and find out who are his connections.

    • guezilla

      Judging from the Wikipedia information he likes money and for that he needs publicity. This entails telling each audience what they want to hear. Not that this would necessarily be a bad idea from "education" standpoint, even if I tend to disagree. He could not reach the audience of Coast to Coast AM if his message were "There's nothing to worry about, nuclear is perfectly safe, just listen to the authorities" (Though by all indications this is not his position anyway, just using that for illustration).

      That said, "dumb it down" is always relative… to the audience, too. For example (and I'll have to put a disclaimer I have no time to listen through every media-clip, I'm going by the ENENews quote here) there's nothing new or unseen about nuclear power plant power blackouts. They're design basis issues; each and every one nuclear plant is designed to be safely shut down and maintained even without external power. The reasons this was an issue at Fukushima include at least:
      1) Mechanisms critical for cooling were damaged
      2) Emergency generators were destroyed by tsunami
      3) Passive cooling systems were manually shut off
      4) Earthquake blocked generator delivery by ground
      5) Damage to containment restricted access to site
      6) Earthquake cut fresh-water supplies to the site
      7) Resources (money, helicopter) were poorly allocated
      8) Offers for airlifted generators were turned down
      9) Initially refusing to use sea-water for cooling

      • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

        "Judging from the Wikipedia information he likes money and for that he needs publicity."

        Exactly, this is what I was thinking! Why is he so popular with mainstream TV stations like NBC, ABC, CNN etc? He might be clever but there are other more honest and equally clever scientists who won't be even invited by these people.
        Our ex-PM Gordon Brown does cameo appearance 😉

      • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

        Comment here says it all LOL
        "Omg this guy in everything?!? I type god and he shows up, and when i type future cars, him, and then when income up with nano tech, this guy shows up again, wtf?"

      • patb2009

        Actually, despite your claims, the Isolation condensers are only good for 8 hours and the RCIC pumps won't work without hte secondary cooling pumps running, it will melt down. the RCIC is a PR excercise, not a effective solution.

        as for the rest.

        1) Mechanisms critical for cooling were damaged

        "Expectable in any major earthquake, Hurricane or Tornado".

        2) Emergency generators were destroyed by tsunami

        Again expectable in any major natural event.

        3) Passive cooling systems were manually shut off

        Only true for Rac 1. Sure didn't work for the other racs.

        4) Earthquake blocked generator delivery by ground

        Ever hear of a Helicopter?

        5) Damage to containment restricted access to site

        At which point it was all over anyways

        6) Earthquake cut fresh-water supplies to the site

        Again expectable.

        7) Resources (money, helicopter) were poorly allocated

        expecting people to hit the mark after a major crisis is optimism hiding incompetence.

        8) Offers for airlifted generators were turned down

        The damage was all critical after 8 hours.

        9) Initially refusing to use sea-water for cooling

        how did it help in unit 4?

        • guezilla

          Nice response, except that I make no such "claim" as you're arguing. I'm merely pointing out that UNLESS several other things go wrong at the same time, a simple power-outage will NOT make every nuclear power plant in US start popping like Fukushima like this topic & many of the responses seem to imply.

          Chicken little syndrome and all. Of course, this is not to say it's impossible for those several other things to go wrong – if anything, Fukushima is a living (and death-dealing) reminder that Mr. Murphy is still well and alive, aided by numerous stupid people and stupid decisions. But saying nuclear power plants depend on external power to not blow up and a few power cuts will lead to global nuclear mayhem? That'll be proven false again the next time a nuclear power plant loses external power – they regularly do with no ill effects.

          Not to mention a solar flare strong enough to disable power to most nuclear plants would be very much civilization-threatening even in and on itself. And thinking on the bigger picture, it's clear nuclear plants aren't good with the prospect civilization ending events. It's the civil unrest and neglect that are likely to pose much larger threat than a simple power outage through, and of course the irradiated fuel will remain dangerous for millions of years.

          • The species would survive a Carrington, although being blasted back to the 1920's without the skills to survive would enforce natures harshest penalty on many people.

            But with 430 nuke plants melting down, it would be all over, 430 Fukushimas, would really be it, and we are on borrowed time until that crap is drycasked.

            Nuke is forcing us to live on borrowed time. Eff nuke, kill nuke before it kills us.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I've read somewhere that he is a member of the illuminai, and that his comments are info. they want released.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      ftlt…It seems I clicked something that said I had reported your comment. Not so; it was a mistake. I could not find a way to reverse it. So I sent it on to Admin saying this was incorrect and not intended.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      To all who are criticizing Michio. I have been an anti-nuclear activist for many decades, beginning in the 1950s. I knew Michio Kaku in the 1980s when U.S. activists were busy opposing Reagan's push for nukes and for Star Wars. I participated in The Mobilization for Survival, Sane/Freeze, Physicians for Social Responsibility and other groups.

      Please stop shooting the messengers. These people are human just like us. We all have our faults. I've watched folks at this site all too often criticze Arnie, Dr. Caldicott, Michio, Leuren Moret, etc. I think we should thank and praise them, not make derogatory suggestions.

      Thank you for considering this.

      • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark


        Hey, it's been good exchanging conversations with some of you.

        For those of you who still read MSM, believe everything you read like chemtrails and HAARP is hoax, keep your eyes wideshut. I'm sure Michio Kaku isn't a facilitator either.

        I am departing enenews as of today and you can all celebrate!!

        Admin, please delete my account. Many thanks and All the best.

        • Mack Mack

          GITD – Why are you leaving? I hope you'll reconsider and stay. We're all here just trying to exchange info/opinions and you're opinion/info is as relevant as anyone elses.

        • JHewes76 JHewes76

          I don't agree with everything everyone says in this forum, and I'm sure they all don't agree with me – But I think it's important that we listen to what each other has to say, and use that information to expand our thinking. I beleive it is important to have as much information and views as possible when we make decisions about what are of value to us. Too often we are feed only part of the story, or halve truths, and outright lies – it's up to all of us to put together all the pieces to the "truth", and to do that we to get the imput of as many people as possible. I think all of views expressed here @ Enenews help us all to think for ourselves. Sorry if this is rambling – it might not make sense, but that'll be because of the Egg Nog 😀 I hope you understand what I'm stumbling over.

      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        Lol! I love Egg Nog. And it's Egg Nog season, even if it is radioactive! LOL!

  • JHewes76 JHewes76

    Seems like a Perfect FUBAR Storm could be coming.

  • mem mem

    Thanks for posting Dharmasyd, I am so glad that these people still try to get nuke info out. I have been following this site since 3/11 and I am sorry to see how few people still check and comment on Enenews. I appreciate that Arnie and Helen and Michio etc still provide info for those of us who actually want to know.

  • patb2009

    Dr Kaku

    misses one thing, that is the grid can be hardened against a CME by installing a high voltage grounding resistor along each high tension pole.

    It's a minor expensive we are talking less then a few billion to harden the entire north american grid.

    Probably less if you just hardened a grid line to every nuclear station.

    however, its small change.

    The problem has been the political paralysis in the US Federal government.

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      The process by which congress and the administration continue to effectively represent the interest of their corporate patrons, to the detriment of the citizen taxpayers, is fully functional; it is the economically and organizationally marginalized citizenry who are paralyzed.

    • Maggie123

      path2009 – re high voltage grounding to protect against CME – do you know of any activist group proposing or petitioning for this? Thanks.

      • John Kappenman –at:

        and the author of:


        –make good presentations.

        Several advocates and alternative technologies exist –including the development of rapidly deployed transformer replacement system. I understand that none of this has been properly funded or implemented, and that if we started today, the work wouldn't be completed until well after the solar cycle had peaked. Possibly, we could save the transformers and NPPs by disconnecting them in a timely fashion (which might take an executive order and a rapidly deployed military unit to enforce the order –witness recent NPPs blithely sailing into hurricane Sandy at 100% power). Without credible NOAA forecasts, however, that won't work either.

        • Maggie123

          Thank you Craig-123 – I'll check the links. From your assessment, it seems to me we need to 'blitz' Washington, make noise that the White House at least assure us it has a plan, and if it does, that it tell us what it is, (i.e. more detail than "trust us".)

          And if it doesn't have a plan, we need to press that one be devised ASAP.

          When I read Path2009's thoughts I visualized deploying all available large pile drivers to high voltage lines and sites – thinking these could pound large 'grounding rods' into the earth in short order! (Such is the homesteader's imagination!)

          Your assessment is disappointing but I believe we can press the urgency on government – or if enough of us do, it may catch their attention. Thanks again!

          • Sorry: can't find current stuff petition-wise, but this was recent:




            • Maggie123

              Thanks Craig – have checked out/saved these links and also some you offered in posts above on this same thread I'll add CME preparation to themes that I contact Washington reps and White House on as an individual.

              Maybe a knowledgeable activist group will sponsor an intelligently worded petition sometime soon. I am signed up to get email alerts on petitions from a number of groups who tackle issues I believe critical – don't have such a group for solar storm/flare but will see what I can find, and will share here if/when I find one.

              I get the sense you're pretty knowledgeable on the topic – do you have something like a list of bullet-points that might be most important to include or reference in communicating with Washington?

              Thanks – lots on this from you on this page!!

              (The pbadupws file lists are impressive! I've never come across them before – pretty technical stuff, I assume pdf upon pdf — Lots to sort through, and I also assume not all specific to NOAA reports? By the way, ML1117/ML11178A039 seems to be missing, list goes from 38 to 40.)

  • Mack Mack

    Recall that Mark Goldes has been ringing the "solar flare" bell for awhile:

    From this article:

    "The issue of solar flares, combined with the enormous presence of nuclear plants across the U.S., Europe and elsewhere, the existence of nuclear arsenals across the planet along with the precipitous geology and consequences of Global Warming on our oceans and weather patterns, dwarf other issues, political, social and economic, we are facing as a globe."

  • This discussion group should be very clear about the consequences of extended "station blackouts" due to the grid being down over wide areas –don't you agree? The diesels have to start within the 8 hours of backup battery life and run for as long as a year –right? The normal shifts of NPP work crews must be persuaded to stay at and keep returning to their posts –or trained replacements must be flown in. The diesels have to be re-supplied with fuel (which will become a job for the military as civilian responders evacuate and/or run out of fuel for their tank trucks).

    Do I understand it correctly –that there is no provision to supply diesel electric power to the spent fuel pool cooling pumps at our NPPs? That the "plan" is to be standing by with fire hoses as the water boils off?

  • @Maggie123 – sorry for late reply,
    I'm over here in the UK – we had/have solar rolling out on a rich peoples houses basis; and small wind turbines at the local Do-It-Alls, but it's not taken off.
    I have a post (Getting Away From It All) that hi-lites ways of cutting home consuming to 1/10th…

    • Maggie123

      53north – Thanks! interesting to get your take on UK solar/wind developments. Does the UK not have one or a few larger scale wind operations?

      Re-reading your post, I'm not sure my connection to 'home sized' units is what you meant! But now that we're commenting on them – I've researched home-sized solar and wind off/on for awhile.

      Here in US I've found interesting roof-top wind units designed, tested and marketed but still very much a small niche. Most units I've seen are on commercial roofs – warehouses, manufacturing facilities, isolated but larger farm/ranches. There's promotion for home-sized units that might be worth considering in more densely populated places. At home level here too it takes more money than I've had so I use passive solar, and assorted general practices, to reduce dependency.

      I tried to find a post on cutting consumption you might have on the net, using assorted key words, but nothing yet. Do you have a link to share?

      (By the way – discussions often develop around a theme not directly relevant to headline article. We've been trying to move them to a forum that is a good fit – So don't be surprised if we end up 'over at' 🙂

      • Sue

        Maggie 123
        Just yesterday I was viewing a new housing development here in the UK and every property had solar panels on the roof which were all connected to the grid. I get the impression that this may be becoming the norm. The UK Government released their new Energy Bill yesterday, with price increases for every family to cover the cost of nuclear susidies, which they had promised they wouldn't do. Why do we let them get away with it?

        Glow In The Dark, I hope that you will continue to stay engaged here. I wouldn't take anything too personally. We are all entitled to our opinion.

        Dr Michio Kaku predicts World War 3

        Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist. Is this a theory, or does he know something we don't. Personally, I hope it's a joke.

  • CB CB

    A Non Earth directed CME at 2012-11-23 14:12:00 UTC

  • Salemone Salemone

    I'm a member, but a serious lurker (reader) here. I am sorry when someone leaves a group due to a differing opinion. The only time I have EVER felt it necessary to leave a group was when I was called nasty names and told off by another member; the mod did nothing and I had done little to create the situation, other than point out some clear facts that were missing from a post.

    We are not far sighted with our grid safety or the fact that we even HAVE nuclear plants. I am older and since they first went online, my big question was…what do we do with the spent rods? I still have that question. No..they are not safe at all.

    Greed has been, and will be the driving force of everything that will bring our civilization to its knees. Because we could prepare. We could so something. I find it appalling that the people in power care so little for future generations, including their own.

  • norbu norbu

    This is the most active I have seen the sun in years. I have been monitoring since 2003. There is a large object in the screen that looks strange 11-20-2012 @ 9:12. large flare's everyday.

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Super Solar Storm To Hit Earth In 2013 'Carrington Effect'; 400 Nuke Plants Will Melt Down/Explode; via A Green Road

    EMP; Electromagnetic Pulse Effect And High Altitude Nuclear Bombs; via A Green Road

    • norbu norbu

      Hi Green road, I have a un-edited video from early 2000's, physicist speaking in Hawaii about the sun and the things to come. He slowed down the video on the sun and showed what it is really going on. It is not what it seems {sun}. He said then we are in for a small super nova. There is a lot of math, and a large amount of info. It also shows large ships entering the sun. We are in for a wild ride very soon.I have the original video out of the camera. It has never been copied.

      • The question is, even if ET exists, and they have huge ships that can go in and out of the sun, will they bother to save anyone if humanity is stupid enough to keep building more nuclear plants despite ample warnings?

        It is almost like asking if you would save a drug addict from a fatal overdose if you knew it was coming, and the addict was warned but shot up anyway?

        We have free will and free choice for a reason.. Can humanity cause the extinction of a planet? We are well on our way to finding out.

        ET's are a wild card.. They are also warning humanity, but are not interfering. They may let it go all the way.

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    From an insider in the nuclear industry, those diesel generators that all hope relies on, are NOT designed for more than a couple hours use.. They commonly break down, or do not work at all, when forced to operate at full power for more than a short time.

    This is another dark underbelly of the industry.. the industry does not want people to know this.

    At an active and operating nuclear power plant in California recently, the generators were disconnected for SIX MONTHS, and would not have been available for use at all, in case of an earthquake or etc.. The governor was on TV announcing this..

    That does not bode well for our future, especially if a Super Solar Storm knocks out all power worldwide and the grid is then down for a year.

    That means NO POWER to any nuke plant anywhere for extended periods, and NO TRANSPORT of any kind, since all computers in all vehicles will be toasted.

    A storm like this could also toast all electronic circuits in all nuke plants, meaning the generators may never come on line. We believe that they have not prepared for this…

    • many moons

      It's just a matter of time….TIC TIC TIC nothing else.

      Even if all reactors in the world were decommisioned right now there would still be many years of cooling needed and these events that would require the lame as hell diesel back up plan would cause the same result…the diesels will fail as they have done in many test situations and that is what will happen not could happen…the odds are stacked way against us.

      We all know this…no surprise when it happens….
      I wonder how people can be surprised that the Pacific is dying when they did everything to arrange it???

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