Radiation Expert: 5 types of plutonium were released from WIPP; Officials not informing public — Caldicott: “I predict that facility will never be able to be used again”; Inhaling a millionth of a gram of plutonium will induce lung cancer (AUDIO)

Published: March 25th, 2014 at 12:03 pm ET


KUNM, Mar. 24, 2014: The director of an organization that evaluated the WIPP site for over 25 years said officials aren’t doing enough to inform New Mexicans. […] “I just can’t stress the importance of DOE being available to respond to detailed questions that people have,” [Dr. Bob Neill] said. “There’s no substitute for direct communication.” Immediately after the leak was discovered, the public should have been given a detailed explanation of what was released, said Dr. Neill, who received his degree in radiological medicine. Americium 241 and plutonium 239 were mentioned. “But there are four other radio-isotopes of plutonium, namely the 238, 240, the beta and 241,” he said. “They’re all bone-seekers. So you want to be able to report all the values—how each one may have contributed. It’s just essential.” […] “It’s so important to answer people’s questions—and not just people in Carlsbad, but throughout the state and elsewhere,” he said. As for the leak itself, he said all of the possible causes of the failure at WIPP must be considered, and a response system should be designed accordingly.

Interview with Dr. Helen Caldicott, March 2014 (at 37:30 in): One of the repositories for very, very dangerous radioactive waste plutonium, americium, etc. has just leaked radiation all around the area in Carlsbad, New Mexico. One microgram of plutonium, a millionth of a gram of plutonium, if inhaled will induce lung cancer. It’s extraordinarily radioactive. So they thought this would be safe storing radiation in salt mines, but something happened, one of the casks blew up or part of the ceiling fell on the casks, we do not know. But I predict that that facility will never be able to be used again, it will be so contaminated.

Full interview with Dr. Caldicott available here (subscription required)

Published: March 25th, 2014 at 12:03 pm ET


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Some salts such as LiF-NaF-BeF2 is known for melting slightly above 310 deg C, where alpha radiation, electrolysis and fires will ignite any mixtures of methane with chlorine or fluorine and will also send hydrofluoric acid in the ooze for anything else than a depleted war head rupture and gloves. And fluoride will also be originating from any uranium-tetra-fluoride and uranium-hexafluoride as in decay.

    • Auntie Nuke

      Regular interviews w/Don Hancock of Southwest Research and Information Center have been appearing on Nuclear Hotseat: http://www.NuclearHotseat.com/blog. Check episodes #140, 141, 143,and tomorrow's #145 for direct information on WIPP from an experienced energy watchdog.

  • We Not They Finally

    The EPA radnet does not even publish alpha readings, and plutonium is alpha. Here in Albuquerque, the beta readings are run-for-your-life on a regular basis — though for Carlsbad, even that page is always left blank. And of course, there are no alpha readings given out for Carlsbad, or for anywhere else, for that matter.

    This is obviously VERY bad. It just gets harder to navigate when given so little to go on.

    • Can you go to that town hall meeting I think there is one this Thursday? We will crowd source a list of 5 question sets with 1 or 2 leading questions to each.

      The last question of each set will be a mini jab

      And the final question of question 5 will be a no-brainer coup de grace.


      I like using the French version of this saying since those Frenchies are so pround of their overcompensating nuker plants.

      • We Not They Finally

        Glad to help. Let us know (there are two of us — me and husband). Maybe people can just bring a page from ENE News to move around and identify others.

        Are you in this area?

        We're already going to be bringing a few EPA radnet print-outs which show BETA readings for Albuquerque for the last four months. (We can bring gamma too — just don't know how to read them.) We WANT alpha readings, but do not even know how to push for that.

        What interested us recently was at the Fukushima Solutions weekend just past in Texas, David Yurth (and yeah, we were unhappy about his pushing thorium, but he still had a lot of scientific expertise) was very specific about why/how storage casks (like those shipped to WIPP) decay radioactively and cannot be remediated. But I had no playback button for a live talk, and didn't catch it well enough to explain it back. I'd like to be able to bring it up if possible — if I can get even the basics myself. We're checking ongoing when his talk might be coming out on youtube.

        Us, we'll be thrilled if people come out swinging at that meeting this coming Thursday. Just hard to predict. Don Hancock (who has certainly been diligent, and apparently long-range) is a reasoned kind of a guy — not really a firebrand. And there have to be other speakers too — just don't know who.

        • We Not They Finally

          We'll be getting there early. Helps to feel out a crowd.

          • WNTF have you read through this one I wrote?

            It is intended for layman to be able to grasp what WIPP is all about. If you pick something that really reasonates with yourself, when you present it, it will be super powerful. Please check it out and let me know your ideas.

            Whenever you post at Nukepro, I immediately get an email telling me the post and information.


            In fact some of this preparation work really needs to be done "offline" since there are several pro nuker who combs ENE, and if they know our "Bring it Home" points, they will be more prepared to defend.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            You go! Wish I could be there to support you. Know you'll be in my thoughts and prayers on Thursday.

            Hoping you'll get a chance to present, and that it will have a large impact.

            Speak truth to power.

            And power to the truth.

        • I am too far away at the 43rd north lattitude.

          And finally winter is breaking and tons of projects kicking off. Slammed 12 hours a day now with real projects.

          Will prepare will help from some others and append to your comment here as it is near the top of the page and thus easy to find.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          WNTF, there is a way to get readings for individual isotopes, by location. I'm not sure how to source that in the data. If you have time, you might want to try and reach Marco Kaltofen. He or someone at Fairewinds, or Beyond Nuclear might be able to point you to specific readings "hidden" in the data. If the data is being collected and tabulated, that is.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Sorry, I meant in the EPA data. It's hard to find, but sometimes the readings for individual isotopes are there.

    • digitalaardvarks digitalaardvarks

      i saw a reading for santa fe for the first time on netc.com which is always high. it was 25 cpm.

  • Nick

    "…the keys to WIPP’s success have been the area’s geological composition, sound science, transparency and citizen engagement.
    “WIPP has been vital to the nation and is responsible for major, significant economic impact to the community,” she said. “WIPP’s local support has never wavered.”

    Yup, them locals are so in love with WIPP that they have developed special lung functions that are immune to Plutonium particles.

    • Sol Man

      Noted top left that that was 2/15 – 2/16, there must be a more up to date source. There were some pretty stout winds just for several days to a few weeks after that time.

      • digitalaardvarks digitalaardvarks

        there's a map for march on radnet, a 15 hour one, seems to have crossed the atlantic

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          digitalaardvarks, I spent about two hours studying the ground level and upper level wind patterns about a week ago. At the time, the lower level winds were carrying the plume (if there was one) up into Colorado. From there it would have been picked up and transported out over the Pacific Northwest. Part of it would have gone directly across the midwestern U.S., the U.S. east coast, and directly toward northern Europe and especially Scandanavia.

          As I recall, it then got transported across Russia, Eurasia, back to Asia, and part of whatever was out there got sucked down into the Southern Hemisphere. I looked at what was getting mixed (air masses) around the Equator, and was convinced if the stuff is indeed getting out of WIPP, it is being dispersed all over the planet.

          No one is safe from this stuff. We just don't know what's out there, and how much is being precipitated out by rain, snow, etc. We also don't know what the airborne concentrations are.

          I'm assuming if the entire roof collapsed, the whole place is leaking like a sieve.

          Not knowing is a bear.

          Now I know why I had major anxiety attacks beginning shortly before the fire first broke out there. It got really bad a couple of days after the fire, and I was anxious for 2-3 weeks. I had a major sense of foreboding.

          Johnny Blade and We Not They Finally (I think) said they were also very anxious, feeling like something bad was going to happen.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Maybe the Hanford situation was "felt" somewhere out there in the ether. I'm just wondering if some of us are tapping into some kind of collective "global angst" or something like what Carl Jung described as the "collective unconscious" of mankind.

            We've had enough bad nuke accidents to last many lifetimes, over the past 3+ years.

            Arrgh. Enough already. This horrible "technology" needs to go.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            If I remember right, there was also a large part of the air mass that was being transported down into the Antarctic region, where it was circling around and around near the South Pole & extreme southern latitudes.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              It just made me feel sick. I'm not a meteorologist, but it's fairly obvious that if this stuff is getting airborne, it's traveling EVERYWHERE.

  • GQR2

    For those who don't have a subscription here is the interview and the program.

  • Immediately!!!

    “There’s no substitute for direct communication.”

    "Immediately after the leak was discovered, the public should have been given a detailed explanation of what was released, said Dr. Neill, who received his degree in radiological medicine."

    if, they didn't know what was released…

    I would go a step further and say that, at a minimum, children and pregnant women should have been evacuated.


    There is NO EXCUSE.

    The buck will be passed, some will be fired, others will express regret. 😛

  • Nick

    "..Heaton says the Permian Basin's underground salt deposits make WIPP the safest and best method to dispose of the nation's TRU waste.

    "Salt requires no engineering barriers, it's the cheapest, encloses on itself and no water can go through it," Heaton said. "(No matter) how things progress politically, salt is capable of doing any of these things. We want WIPP to be the main waste repository."

    WIPP clearly has been trying to ramp up it's footprint.

    Somebody goofed.

    Now they are trying to HIDE the releases.

    Fukushima= reason why nuclear electrical generation is a fail

    WIPP= reason why defense nuclear industry is a national shame.

    • Reason why entire nuclear-industrial-military Cartel is a shame, a national travesty. A sham out of the gate.

      • Sol Man

        A sham and a shame we're in their death game.

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        +311 stock!, I wonder if a certain "Mr. Brock" is still running around spewing his crock(of BS)now??!! Or is he running around screaming like a "little girl or old lady" as he put it??!! Anyone still supporting WIPP is either a complete moron or has a vested interest in WIPP or more likely BOTH(?)!! 🙁 Regardless of the reasons given or who buys into the line of bullshit given to the rest of us that we should embrace or even "accept" the disgusting,deplorable & unavoidable negative impacts on the environment & all living things the "deterrent" factor becomes a moot point when the production of nuclear weapons by itself is killing us already without the "MAD" doctrine even having been initiated(yet!)and the alleged benefits of the now exposed flaws & failures & true costs associated with nuclear power production of electricity that could EASILY be replaced by truly GREEN alternatives ought to be apparent to anyone with a brain capable of seeing where the nuke-pukes & their coveted,untamed nuke technology is taking us and it was bad enough living through the Cold War wondering "when" they would "push the button" that launched WWIII and now every aspect & stage of the nuclear industry from electricity production,WMD production and the buid up of waste material & even worse-their "methods" of disposing of it have doomed us whether they ever do launch WWIII or not??!!We may not survive what's presently underway but that's no excuse to keep allowing it to…

        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          continue either!!! 🙁 TIP IT!!! Those with enough common-sense or a particle of "good" left in their hearts need to take a long,hard look at their reasons for stubbornly clinging to the lies that allowed them to fall under the nuke-puke's "spell" and need only to open their eyes,hearts & minds and use their influence to get others to follow suit! We can end the shitium now & even if it's gone too far to recover from & for life to continue in a manner we'd consider "acceptable"&/or able to be adapted to,the sooner the majority of public jumps onboard & demands the immediate changes needed to reverse course the better!! THANK YOU "NEWSER'S,for ALL that you do here and on the front lines of the battlefield that has us fighting even for the well-being & lives of the nuke-pukes & their children's futures as well as our own whether they can see or admit it now(?)!! It offers me no consolation knowing that the elite who caused all of this will see their own loved ones & children suffer from their actions and I want to see this crap end or at least the "beginning of the end" of NUCLEAR before my own "subscription to LIFE" is cancelled!!(not the magazine either!) 🙁 TAKE CARE ALL!! ttyl

  • Nick

    Bernard L. Cohen (1/3/1989)
    By Bernard L. Cohen, Department of Physics, University of
    Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15260.

    (From Karl Otto Ott and Bernard I. Spinard, eds. Nuclear Energy
    (New York: Plenum Press, 1985), pp. 355-365)
    "… In spite of the facts we have cited here, facts well known in
    the scientific community, the myth of Pu toxicity lingers on.
    The news media ignore us, and prefer to continue scaring the
    public at every opportunity. They don't recognize the difference
    between political issues on which everyone is equally entitled to
    an opinion, and scientific issues, which are susceptible to
    scientific investigation and proof. The myth may linger forever."

    • Gasser Gasser

      Holy shit Nick, that was like reading a Lucifer manifesto to end all life, I wonder if the deluded Physics Professor ever inhaled Pu to prove his point.

    • Ontological Ontological

      Where you get this shit Socref!!?? PURE propafuckingganda! Do NOT CONCIDER THIS ANYTYHING BUT GARBAGE. The purest bullshit I have EVER endured!

    • The MYTH…

      Careful nurturing of THE MYTH, means paying scientists to do tests that give them the results they want to see.

      Careful nurturing of THE MYTH, means manipulating mainstream media and ignoring the largest global catastrophes in history.

      Careful nurturing of THE MYTH, means paying off/lobbying politicians and policy makers who are gullible and greedy.

      The Nuclear Industry's proponents hoped this ongoing out of control TRIPLE MELTDOWN and/or a Storage Facility collapse wouldn't happen on their tour of duty or in their lifetimes. They have gambled with our planet.

      We have all lost. 🙁
      [a repost]

      • Shaker1

        At the risk of a double comment (I'm eating at my poor and generously spattered keyboard and inadvertantly brushed some key in the middle of a comment), this man (Cohen) propagates his own myth. The evidentiary rules that we might apply in our perception of justice for criminals should not apply to science, and anyone with any sense and without an agenda might (in my opinion, should) see the fallacy of the idea in such an application. The 'precautionary principle' is much more just here. All the damned accepted studies in the world would probably not convince this guy and overcome his ideas which are more than likely driven by ego than real 'science'. Or is he just another one of those who creates some kind of controlled (not of the real world) and 'objective' experiment and declares that its results can be universally applied?

        I hope over the years he's boned up on his studies of the subject, and hasn't continues to enjoy giving the bone to the truly innocent.

  • Cisco Cisco

    The energy whores are like a cancer. Chances are good that the nearby frackers have impacted the mine. And, if they haven't yet, it's only a matter of time until they do. Has there been a call for a moratorium on nearby drilling; I bet not.

  • Obvious Obvious

    Compliance failures?
    Worker Health mandate failures?
    Public emergency response failures?

    If I lived in the area I'd be organizing a class action suit against WIPP contractors, DoE, EPA. etc.

  • Cisco Cisco

    Now that their secret has been exposed and we know the mine is being used for high level nuclear waste versus low-level waste which it is licensed for, where are our government and our elected officials doing about this?

    They are missing in action and on to the next fund raiser, collecting their payola for their silence.

  • Nick


    WIPP clearly is a place of many secrets.

    No wonder the main stream media doesn't really delve into it.

    What if the radiation releases have been significantly higher than reported both in amounts AND duration?

    Kinda ironic that maybe Russian HEU went haywire during a little boys experiment deep in the bowels of the earth.

    Problem is, this "puff" event is more serious than licking your phone charger, or eating a banana while having a dental x-ray.

    But, despite what officials tell you, if you are in the dispersal models, maybe a little self preservation is in order.

  • 76MillionBananas 76MillionBananas

    5 types of Pu? It's gone from Carls-Bad, to Carls-Worse.

  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    Another Hanford site. We keep making this radioactive sludge yet have no where to put it. Within a couple of months it will be swept under the carpet and another location will be in the spot light.

    I would like to see a map of North America showing all the nuclear contamination. The entire west coast, Columbia river, 3 mile island….

    • American Phoenix57

      Try this.


      Click on "Pollution" and go from there.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Safety review: WIPP response “unsatisfactory”

        "WIPP’s initial response to a Feb. 14 radiation leak was “unsatisfactory,” the DNFSB said in its letter.
        March 25 2014

        “Shelter in place instructions were not given until 10 hours after the first indication of a problem, and over four hours after a release had been confirmed by local readings,” the DNFSB said. “As a result, the internal contamination level of workers, although minor, was nevertheless greater than necessary.”


        "As part of the executive branch, the DNFSB advises the president and energy secretary on public health and safety issues related to the Energy Department’s nuclear defense facilities."

        " “As a result, the internal contamination level of workers, although minor, was nevertheless greater than necessary.”

        Minor contamination? ..can they say why then the workers are in 3 layers of protective clothing to re-enter?

        What does 'shelter in place' ..mean it this instance?
        Suit up ..or just take it?

        • GQR2

          Meeting tonight in Eunice.

          March 25 – WIPP update to City of Eunice at 5:30 p.m. on WIPP recovery activities and temporary storage of Los Alamos wastes at Waste Control Specialists. Location: Eunice Community Center, 12th Street and Avenue I.

          i was looking for the safety review on the wipp site and found this. The safety report is scathing there was no safety procedures,drills,nothing indicating any respect what so ever seems to me for the dangers of the mine. They want to brush this under the rug. They should be sued. More meetings and documents are listed

          • GQR2


            links to PDFs from the accident reports and slides. Its linked on another thread but this is for folks who might be looking for it 🙂

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              From your link …GQR2

              •Replace the above-ground ventilation system filters that captured were compromised by soot and smoke from the February 5 fire and radioactive particulates from the radiation release.

              So.. the above ground ventilation system filters were compromised.

              One thing leading to another and all..
              It can be assumed that the below ground ..filtering system must have also failed.

              With the filtering systems compromised ..how truly effective ..could they have been on Feb. 14?

              • GQR2

                And they are still compromised. And at their baseline their functioning is questionable,very questionable as evidenced by the Safety measures not taken,the filters not maintained. And system failures in the phone system that ignored for years and years. Now we have a seeping mine with untrustworthy monitors re entering.

                This is sick.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Good points, Heart. Letting the workers go 10 hours w/o notification is just plain evil.

          Minor exposures? Jah, right.

    • Mack Mack

      bwoodfield said –

      "I would like to see a map of North America showing all the nuclear contamination."

      * Here's an interactive map where you can select a state and find radioactively-contaminated-waste-land sites in that state.

      * Here's a map of radioactively-contaminated clean-up sites in the U.S.
      The total amount of land needed to be cleaned up equals the size of the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined:

  • Nick

    WIPP reminds me a bit of Chernobyl.

    For those of you with functioning memory retrieval, Chernobyl was the result of an INTENTIONAL powering down of the reactor by humans experimenting with such. They powered down the pile and a spike in energy occurred shortly thereafter. The spike was the kaboom. So Chernobyl was not an accident but a goof.

    WIPPuff is probably a result of several things, but don't discount the possibility that some of the releases were due to experimentation. Heck the whole complex is one giant experiment.

    Seems like eternity ago when we heard about the truck fire and were TOLD not to worry.

    Now? Me? Yeah I am worried.

    I am even thinking the audacious thoughts that some of the current respiratory distress in myself and others is a biological response to inhaled Plutonium, etc. WIPP being a contributor to the environmental dose + Fukushima.

    • Shaker1

      Regarding your question and comparison to the experiment that was the source of Chernobyl, I don't think what happened was particularly that in that sense. But considering the nature of the site and it's stated purpose and method of sequestration (walls and/or ceilings creeping and/or falling upon the material to 'encase' the waste in salt) it definitely is intentional. The timing of it just may not have been of choice in the grand experiment ('Pilot' plant, as in a small chemical 'pilot' plant that I once helped built whose intention was to prove the process and, success or fail, was going to be scrapped.) and I'm sure an event has been discussed by proposers, planners, and those scientifically trusted to document the competence and efficiency of the it. So did those mentioned think that, yes, this is may happen and not give thought to what they'd do after the fact? Hell no. Guaranteed they did. Work with engineers from Sandia sometime and one will be as sure as I am. They're just externally muzzled and/or keeping their mouths shut as to why those reactions aren't there beyond what we see.

  • Nick

    The authorities don't want ANYONE to start connecting the dots between toxic radiation and respiratory distress.

    But I have seen dozens of people with dripping eyes, hacking coughs, lethargy, etc. Spring Fever my ass.

    Obviously I have NO WAY of knowing that WIPPuff is affecting us, but I wonder.

  • Ontological Ontological

    Right. Clean Energy. Check. Where do you guys get this pipe dream propaganda!?

  • Nick

    Gasser and Ontological,

    I thought folks might get a kick out of my "find." Kinda makes you realize the mindset of some nuclear fools don't it?

    • Gasser Gasser

      How many times have I said I'm not of this lunacy World…I side step it as much as possible with fun “go or blow” recreation now, though always looking for a Voila! solution to our pending FUBAR ELE demise…good on all ya, love you folks.

  • many moons

    "No one has yet been inside the half-mile deep mine since the leak to begin a probe or make estimates on how long the plant might be shuttered for cleanup."

    This is a quote from the article listed below….

    I can't imagine why they haven't gone down into the mine what with just that tiny amount of plutonium that got loose….so innocuous it wouldn't hurt a prairie chicken… c'mon what's the hold up???


  • Nick


    Like radiation couldn't possibly be a factor? Nah.

    Take a quick survey around you. Notice more people coughing lately?
    Notice people wiping their eyes?

    No way is it due to pollen since Spring hasn't sprung where I am (upper north quadrant of USA)

    Very strange…..

  • jackassrig

    I've said it once and I'll say it again a lot of those PHDers in Physics should be locked in padded cells. They're nutz.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Be careful what you say…my internet link has been under attack for a couple of weeks now.. 🙁

      • FixItStupid FixItStupid

        Yes Me Too all Types of attack seems like every e-mail or Post has a very long delay or taken down or interrupted in the streams seems like if you're educated & know some facts your under attack I was posting something about the electrons and what happens when they're slowed down rapidly how that causes x-ray than I couldn't post anything after that there so much at stake here as you know the greatest Lie in the world is the lie of omission I don't know how many of you get the public relations notices from the N. R.C. I would suggest you should scribe it's on their website and you'll see just how crazy the mindset is they never look back so they have no idea the harm they have done so much disinformation they even have a section for the school kids and teachers that is filled with blatant lies it's all just sick ! Wordcraft YOU have TO stored the waste half a mile down but now it's OK blowing across the desert don't worry about it what hypocrisy ! Thank you all for the True information you ALL post here thank you

        • Angela_R

          Mine too.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Yes everything very sluggish, takes for ever to load, freezes and there is no reason for any of it. I use a satellite link and all I can think is that they (the military) used the residential bandwidth for the search for that airplane that disappeared. This must be the new technology they used. Right now it is normal but for how long? 🙁

          Everything is a scam and/or a conspiracy..all of it! 🙂

  • Pete

    So I assume they will now include Plutonium urinalysis in their free to the public radiation screenings right?

    • jec jec

      Pete, one would HOPE.but if its stuck in the lungs will not show up in urine..and even a full body scanner can only pick up SOME of the alpha, I believe.

  • Nick

    WIPP Area Resident: Doc, I don't feel so good.

    Doc: Oh?

    WAR: Yeah, I have a cough that I can't shake and my hands are going numb.

    D: Okay, I will run some tests………

    (Later)……Um, it looks like you have COPD, diabetes, Leukemia, and breast cancer.

    WAR: Oh?

    D: Don't worry, I have a new treatment that involves you drinking this stuff we stashed at WIPP. Drink it, and call me in the morning.

    WAR: You gotta be kidding me. Right?

    Doc: No (cough, wheeze, cough) I am not. It's a suicide potion. Drink up, I'll join ya.

    • wildandfree wildandfree

      Hey there Nick. "Drink up, I'll join ya." I wonder how many are looking for that one particular formula or if the .gov groups will follow the "end sequence" of On The Beach. As we progress, many will suddenly be shocked into reality and not have the stomach or courage to face the future. Sad what one species can do to millions of others.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Between licking their iphone chargers…
    Big thought is being given..the welfare of the 'prairie chicken'.
    Now .. I like prairie chickens well enough.
    But ONE WOULD THINK ..that the welfare of the human population… the welfare of the CHILDREN ..might be of more importance than a ..prairie chicken.

    Scientists: WIPP radiation leak not a threat to Lesser Prairie-Chicken
    March 25 2014


    PS..What the hell ..is wrong with these people?

    • Jump in with some comments..

      • Pete

        I would but currentargus is another site using the Facebook commenting system now, and as much as Ive wanted to comment on most (okay every) story they have done about wipp, I cant bring myself to sign up for facebook to do so.

        • Dont sweat it. just get a free email at hushmail.com (encryptable and they won't rat you out), and then sign up to Facebook using that secure email. DO NOT use your real name.

          For now, Facebook has not gone full bore Nazi like Huffpost (who requires you to enter a phone number and thus confirm that phone number, they will call you then you have enter a code they give you…that is some creepy stuff there, i quit Huffpost altogether)

          Matter of fact, get several Facebook identities before they start the "phone confirmation thing"

          Keep in mind with hushmail, that you need to log in at least every 3 weeks or they lock your account. This will eventually lead to your linked Facebook account becoming hard to use or unusable.

    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      Can't get your link to work. That currentargus site just keeps flashing an advert and then jumps to some other headline. Won't let me read the article.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    One Of Most Beautiful Places In The World . . .

    New Mexico needs to get rid of that nuclear waste site. What a waste.

    • SadieDog

      – The word “temporary” is likely to soften the anxiety factor, but questions can be raised about how long the temporary arrangement will last and why the WIPP is closed in the first place.

  • Coming soon for the rest of these dis-united nuclear contaminated states……
    "Hanford Declared National Sacrifice Zone"
    Page B-8 .. not even front page news.
    The Spokesman-Review – Apr 5, 1986

    Soon the west coast will admit to the irradiated shorelines, the contaminated boats, marina's and ports of shipping.
    New Mexico is our Trinity of despair in the southwest, Nevada and Utah, too bad there isnt yet a federal bounty on radioisotopes, we can turn ourselves in as waste. Of course, they see us all as human waste already…………

  • Sickputer

    I am shocked… (Not really)…the Lubbock, Texas newspaper actually dared question in editorial form the transfer of Los Alamos radiation waste because WIPP has been disabled:


    SP: The Lubbock sheep don't have a knowledgeable grasp on what is transpiring. To be fair, 99% of the nation is also asleep at the wheel.

    Better bone up Red Raiders…your city is in harms way. Your water supply could be the next Albuquerque disaster or Santa Monica or Charleston West Virginia. Except radiation in the Ogallala Aquifer will last forever.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1688603 Albuquerque woes

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/03/16/santa-monica-other-calif-cities-seek-water-independence/ Santa Monica water woes

    http://m.rollingstone.com/culture/news/dont-drink-the-water-west-virginia-after-the-chemical-spill-20140312 heart rending personal accounts from West Virginia

  • Workers sick today and this week at Hanford. Just now reported.

    “It’s BS,” said one worker.
    “We’ve expressed our opinion about it. We’ve said you haven’t taken the time to put in monitors and they say ‘It’s in the works’. Yet they keep sending us out to work. They’re not putting safety first.”

    Headline –
    Nearly a dozen Hanford employees sick from unknown fumes –

    Posted on March 25, 2014 at 3:41 PM
    Updated today at 7:44 PM


    news video:
    (credit ENEnews user rockyourworld)

    "…the tank farm, identified as AY-AZ farm was evacuated, deemed a Vapor Control Zone."

    "…still suffering effects of breathing in the vapors: headache, chest pain, difficulty breathing, nose bleeds and sore throats. One employee has coughed up blood."

    The workers are not happy.

    Here's a portion of the 'official' statement:
    "…Washington River Protection Solutions has a comprehensive industrial hygiene program that monitors chemical vapors in the tank farms and in recent years WRPS has taken a number of steps to reduce potential vapor exposures to its workers." – Jerry Holloway, External Affairs Manager

    • URS corporation runs Hanford, they also run WIPP

      They fire whistleblowers, and promote company men.

      Call them for fax them with some questions and comments


      600 Montgomery Street, 26th Floor
      San Francisco, CA 94111-2728 USA
      +1.415.398.1905 fax

      Corporate Communications
      One Penn Plaza, Suite 610
      New York, NY 10119-0698
      +1.888.URS.PR52 (+1.888.877.7752)
      +1.212.947.6975 fax
      Investor Relations

      Sam Ramraj
      600 Montgomery Street
      26th Floor
      San Francisco, CA 94111-2728
      +1.415.772.8290 fax
      U.S. Toll Free: 1.877.877.8970

      • razzz razzz

        Only makes $4,000,000+ a year, Mr. Martin M. Koffel , 75 Chairman and Chief Exec. Officer of URS Corporation (URS). The rest of the officers in the corporation near or above a million $ yearly salary as of 2012. Somewhere in their yearly report there is the budget for Congressional lobbyists.

        Who says crime and killing doesn't pay well?

    • Sickputer

      Good link CA. Notice the cover still shot on the video of King5 news shows guys with supplied-air breathing apparatus…kind of like this grim first page drawing in an EPA/OSHA document from 1985:


      But when you play the King5 clip you see the same bullshit carbon respirators and 1 dollar paper suits and booties worn by the hapless Hanford workers. Just sheep to the slaughter. WIPP workers used the same cheap gear, barely suitable for a house painter spraying clear lacquer.

      I bet when the first WIPP Liquidators re-enter the contaminated salt caverns they will be fitted with supplied air breathing devices with supply line air hoses. Very difficult to work in that hot gear…the heat factor alone will be a killer to workers.

      I said it earlier and Helen Caldicott echoed the same sentiment…WIPP is finished as a working store-place for radioactive waste. It will never re-open.

      Now the hard part begins since the idiot American nuclear brain trust scientists and engineers did not learn one damn thing from the salt cavern waste dump disaster in Germany decades ago. Now how do you decommission your toxic decommissions?

      Simple…you lie to the public for a few years and then say the dump is perfectly fine with a 100 foot layer of dirt and concrete over the mine entrances and exits. And then secretly pray the damn thing doesn't blow half of New Mexico into west Texas.

      • zogerke zogerke

        sickputer if they did it in a way to protect the workers there are cooling vests that can be worn under the hazmat suits to deal with heatstress hazards….but it seems anything goes there.

  • waiono


    Same story as at WIPP

    Honest people quit, crooks stay on and reap short term financial gain.

    here's a blast from the past…2,000 years ago to be more precise:

    Revelation 11:18
    The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Well, we humans are certainly destroying the Earth.. 🙁 But then the pay is very good. 🙂

  • rogerthat

    ''Within a couple of months it will be swept under the carpet…''

    – under the carpet. At last, the ultimate permanent repository for all high-level nuclear waste?

    • SadieDog

      Exactly. Sweep it under the rug, was the plan for nuclear waste the whole time. And maybe, hopefully someone in the future will figure out a better solution. But right now that is not in the budget, and would prevent maximization of profits.

  • rogerthat

    … pick a big hole in the ground – the grand canyon? throw it all in there, pile all those old, dirty unwanted carpets on top, and viola! problem solved. then when the water builds up, you've got a dam, and before you know it, a giant hydroelectric plant for some more clean, clean electricity?

  • rogerthat

    … I know it's a particularly lamebrain joke, but is it any worse than the current reality? For more than half a century, people have been thinking about the problem of how to permanently contain radioactive waste. Once, long ago, it was a small problem, and everyone was confident a solution would be found. Soon, soon, just not right now, we're too busy right now, but soon. Science will find a way, it always does. Soon.
    So this is now. Now it is a HUGE problem. Does anyone out there have a credible idea of how to solve it? Anybody? Anything at all?
    Or is common sense right, after all? That there is no way to permanently isolate radioactive waste from the environment? That it simply can't be done because it is physically impossible? No container will hold it for long without needing to be replaced, no permanent underground repository can be found because sooner or later it will be breached by the forces of nature?
    Beats me.

  • rogerthat

    Madame Curie:
    ''The hands that had accomplished so much work were callous and deeply burnt by radium.'' – Madame Curie, a Biography, By Eve Curie.

    Madame Curie's Hands
    Copyright ©1987 Duane Elms- All Rights Reserved
    Lyrics posted by permission of the author
    Tune: Leader of the Band, © Dan Fogelberg

    A young and headstrong lady, was Madame Marie Curie,
    And radiation was the field she studied selflessly.
    She didn't know the dangers, as she worked long nights alone,
    And spent her health to open up the secrets of the stone.

    Now nature has no honor and the gamma ray no soul,
    They cut her hands to pieces as she labored toward her goal.
    The skin was marked and blistered and the joints were stiff and sore,
    And pain was something that she barely managed to ignore.

    The lady never faltered as our ignorance gave ground
    And never thought about herself as knowledge there she found.
    If you would wish to know the cost the search for truth demands,
    You only have to take a look at Madame Curie's hands.

    A desperate muse she followed when she tracked the gamma glow,
    Driven not by thought of gain, but an urgent need to know.
    Her life was not a long one, though she served her master well.
    Leukemia was her reward, along with two Nobels.

    So many souls have followed in the path the lady led,
    And some returned with victory while others came back dead.
    The ones who rode the shuttle and the ones who never flew,
    Each paid the price with honor for the knowledge…

  • rogerthat

    Each paid the price with honor for the knowledge we pursue.

    So thanks to all who travel down this long and deadly road,
    And thanks to all who take the risks and carry mankind's load.
    The way is never easy and there are no promised lands,
    For those who make the sacrifice of Madame Curie's hands.
    For those who choose the sacrifice of Madame Curie's hands.

    Duane Elms won the 1992 Pegasus Award for Best Tribute with this poem in 1992. He commented:

    ''This is a tribute not only to Mme. Curie, but to pioneers everywhere. Actually, I have no knowledge of the state of her hands, but it seemed reasonable that with limited knowledge of the dangers of radiation and constant handling of radioactives, something bad might happen. – Duane Elms

  • rogerthat

    ''Unfortunately, the repeated contact with radioactive elements took their toll on Madame Curie. She died from leukemia, a type of cancer, " in July 1934, exhausted and almost blinded, her fingers burnt and stigmatised by 'her' dear radium," according to a Biography of Marie Curie from "Label France" Information Magazine (vol. 21).


    What killed Madame Curie? (Part 1) | The Everything Seminar
    … 1934 I was called to investigate the recent death of a famous physicist: Marie Curie … I took a look at the hands, still and limp on the bed. They were hardened, calloused, deeply burned … longed to go back to the shed they had left two hours before. Radium …

    Marie Curie: Why her papers are still radioactive
    In 1903, Pierre Curie, after observing burns on his arm left by the chunk of radium that he tied to it for 10 hours, concluded that he If you want to check out Madame Curie's papers without a moon suit, you should know that the most common isotope of radium, radium-226, has a half life of 1,601 years.

    … in case anyone's interested. a fair bit of the stuff out there does not come up when you click on it.

  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    Falling into the category of "keep your friends close, your enemies closer…"

    From World Nuclear News http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/WR-LANL-waste-to-be-stored-in-Texas-2103144.html

    "In order to help LANL [Los Alamos National Lab.] meet its commitment to remove the TRU from its site by June, NWP has signed a contract with Waste Control Specialists for the temporary storage of the remaining waste at its facility in Andrews County, Texas.

    DoE's national TRU program director J R Stroble said, "The LANL waste will be staged so that it can be disposed of as soon as WIPP resumes waste receipt operations. These shipments will be managed just like other WIPP shipments. The department will continue to evaluate potential alternatives for other DoE transuranic waste generating sites until WIPP is fully operational."

    OK then, pushing the jello around the ground floor of existence – still no way to pick it up….wondering about how to do that? Maybe dig another hole?

  • GQR2

    “We don’t expect anyone in the above ground to receive any radiation contamination, none whatsoever,” Winokur said in a telephone interview Tuesday."
    These people at the top are pathological liars. All he has to do is read the accident report,there has been no safety procedures at WIPP. very very few. Many systems failed the phones hadn't been checked in years, the place is a dirty filthy mess, the wet salt ceilings are collapsing and the vents filters weren't maintained (if they are effective in the first place) all the talk about safety was just that – talk.

  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    That's all these people do is lie, lie, lie. It's disgusting.