Radiation team “got out of there quick” when trying to identify isotopes outside evacuation zone: We “found things we weren’t expecting at all”

Published: August 8th, 2011 at 4:39 pm ET
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How I spent my Sunday in Fukushima, Safecast.org Blog, August 7, 2011:

[…] It was here that we took our highest and most concerning readings of the day. The parking lot of the restaurant was active, but less than we’d just seen. But when we walked across the street – maybe 10 feet away, we measured over 20,000 CPM and 9 µSv/hr. We pulled out our SAM 940 to try and identify the isotopes and found things we weren’t expecting at all. So we grabbed some samples to send to a lab for professional analysis and got out of there quick. […]

 

Published: August 8th, 2011 at 4:39 pm ET
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28 comments to Radiation team “got out of there quick” when trying to identify isotopes outside evacuation zone: We “found things we weren’t expecting at all”

  • Surprise ! Soon to be all of Northern Japan !

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Also Canada, US, and Mexico. Then who knows where?

      • irradiated californian

        um…no.
        just…no. the u.s. will not get it as bad as japan.

        • Actually, the usa likely has it worse than japan…

          Simple physics really…

          A radiation. + b jet stream = contamination in masse / direction,

          In all reality these isotopes, (in particle form). Consumed the entire planet…

          The better analogy or method of thinking, is: The Southern hemisphere likely has a lower rate of radiation; Than the Northern hemisphere…

          • milk and cheese milk and cheese

            Arclight, saying that America will be less affected by radiation than Japan is like saying that two broken legs are better than a broken back. And the stuff travels anyway, everyone gets to share.

        • arclight arclight

          until we assertain the results from any research vessels studying the pacific, i would concour with irradiated on this one..because according to CRIIAD there seems to be a distillation with distance..
          in thier advisory issued to the EU of april the 11th, they said that america was 8 to ten times more heavily hit than europe during the iodine/xeon gas phase! and we know by measurements that japan has higher contamination than america! obviously, there will be hotspots due to rain cachement and the will of the wind! but chernobyl to shows us a dictance/wind direction relation to the distance of severe radiation contamination! though i will not regard the less contaminated more widespread accumulation as safe by any means, but not as bad as japan and maybe russia/chima/korea etc……hope there is no more criticality!!?? 🙁
          peace

          • milk and cheese milk and cheese

            Since no one knows just what substances, and how much, was in the plumes, no one really knows who has been exposed to what. The USA is downwind from Japan and most of the high radiation blew toward it in the first weeks of the disaster. The dates coincide with a spike in infant and elderly persons’ deaths. the metallic taste in the mouth that some people reported here should not be taken lightly.
            And there will be horrors washing ashore on California beaches, starting quite soon. There are qualified people who brought this to our attention. But of course, some people here know more than Arnold Gundersen, Chris Busby, or Helen Caldicott.

          • arclight arclight

            @milk and cheese
            i agree that an effect has been felt and contamination done but leeching of the particles and gases in the form of rainwater polluting the pacific have lessened the overall particulate count!
            the reactors are still reacting though!
            concerning Arnold Gundersen and Chris Busby, i think that they would both agree that it is worse in japan concerning particulate counts done by the guy who did a video with maggie! yes helen caldicotts projections are worrying! but the geiger readings and particulate counts in much of usa done by citizens are pointing to lower contamination in many places,, so far! i admire helen and am not argueing with her theory but maybe the timing of such a scenario is dependant on ongoing criticality situation…so helen might be right when the situation in the reactors changes… i dont right this theory off either! but am waiting for the evidence like the safecast program (really shocking readings in parts of tokyo).. i hope i made my point a bit clearer! and clarified my perceptions and thoughts on these three fine activists on the anti nuclear campaign!
            peace!

        • shaktasna999

          @IrradiatedCalifornian

          I am in California and yes it is going to be as bad as Japan for us because we are going to die-just like them-from what they are dying of.

          We breathe the same air and the same water rains down on us.

          It’s that simple. It is not a matter of if it is a matter of when. This leak has never been contained. The particles we have been breathing since March will not dissolve or fade or disappear magically in several generations.

          We have to be as realistic as possible for our friends and families because when we start to get sick we won’t be heard at all.

        • Bobby1

          The US has 2.5 times the population of Japan. While the percentage of Americans that will die from Fukushima will probably be less than that of Japan, the absolute numbers of Americans that die may well be higher.

          America does not have the high levels of contamination as the Fukushima and neighboring prefectures, but it probably has as high levels as the rest of Japan. Areas like Hokkaido and Okinawa may be less contaminated than anywhere in the US.

          • arclight arclight

            @bobby1
            yes this a good point! and im thinking of china too!! the low level contamination will cause a lower percentage of isotopic disease/death…the numbers will be staggering though!

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            The US has higher background readings because we nuked ourselves more often and more frequently than occurred anywhere else on the planet. The fallout from the Nevada bombs (1950s-1963) used to ruin the photographic paper being produced by the Kodak Company in NY!! They were the only company warned of the ‘secret’ nuclear bomb tests ahead of time, so they could protect their product….never mind the huge number of cancers among the Utah downwinders, who were never properly warned.

          • milk and cheese milk and cheese

            Still no report from Canada. The government here is actually more venal and dedicated to profit from uranium and nuclear plants than the USA. What a disappointment.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            You can double click on a graph to see it better.

            For the Beta Gross Count Rate in Denver, it spiked between 450 and 475 between June 2 and June 9. At 300 three different times since then, once between June 30 and July 7, once between July 14 and July 21, once July 28 and Aug 4.

            Is some of this also from the fire at Los Alamos? Or does this indicate ongoing critically at Fukushima? Or both?

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            Then there is no reading between June 16-23 Gross Beta Count for Denver. Wonder how high that was.

  • Nukeholio

    That sure is nasty.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Not a good place to be. Time for honesty and official accurate readings.

  • lam335 lam335

    I wish they would provide some detail regarding what exactly they found that they “weren’t expecting.” Will this info be forthcoming after the samples they collected are analyzed?

    • selfsovereign

      lam335
      My thoughts exactly. Especially considering they have that 10 thousand dollar geiger counter/isotope identifier. SAM 940

  • StillJill StillJill

    Oh YES,…Yes,..their results WILL BE PUBLISHED. (From my lips to God’s ears)

  • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

    Hi, I just wanted to repost this for anyone who knows anything about giger counters…I am considering buying one, but my lack of expertise keeps me from doing it.

    Does anyone have any input about this one? If it’s a good one I will buy it, I just want a second opinion…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DX-2b-Geiger-Counter-Radiation-Meter-/150629232413?pt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item231233af1d

    • Darth

      It dosen’t measure alpha radiation. That means you will not be able to detect the most nasty ionizing radiation emitters like Americium-241 (430 year half life), Pu-238 (88 year half life), Pu-239 (24,000 year half-life), Pu-240 (6,563 year half-life)…

      • odiez1 odiez1

        A really sensitive Alpha probe is going to be the thin end window mica type probe, or a pancake probe, or a scintillator. Most of these GM counters are made with an SBM-20 type Russian tube (the SOEKS counters) which are sensitive to only β and γ.
        Here’s the other issue. α radiation doesn’t penetrate very much, so if you’re trying to test fruit and vegetables the skin may stop the radiation from exiting to your counter. Unless a particle is sitting on the outside of the test object you might not see a higher count rate.
        I bought one of these last week. (for an offer of $55) Found it to work pretty well.
        http://cgi.ebay.com/GQ-GMC080-Geiger-Counter-Kit-Nuclear-Radiation-detector-/300585879815?pt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item45fc508907
        It doesn’t come with a GM Tube, but I got one of those Anton 6107 tubes (for $50) and it works great, sensitive to α, β and γ.

    • odiez1 odiez1

      Get together with your neighbors and get one of those SAM 940s they mentioned in the article.
      Made in Berkeley!
      http://www.berkeleynucleonics.com/products/model_940.html
      Portable spectrometry.

  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    What is going on at Los Alamos and Ft. Calhoun?

  • odiez1 odiez1

    I want a SAM940!!! SOOO Awesome! Portable spectrometry.
    Only shy of $10 Grand.
    http://www.berkeleynucleonics.com/products/model_940.html