Radio: “Continually, radioactive elements are being flushed into the Pacific” — “The Fukushima accident will never end, they have no idea how to clean it up” -Caldicott (AUDIO)

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Title: Interview with Helen Caldicott
Source: KPFA 94.1 FM
Date: January 15, 2013

At 13:00 in

Dr. Helen Caldicott: The Fukushima accident will never end. They have no idea how to clean it up because there’s never been three nuclear meltdowns in history.

Continually, radioactive elements are being flushed into the Pacific Ocean.

[...] the accident never ends because the food will continue to be radioactive as the plants suck up the radioactive elements from the soil, concentrate it, and then people will eat it — and that will go on for generations and generations. So nuclear accidents never end.

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77 comments to Radio: “Continually, radioactive elements are being flushed into the Pacific” — “The Fukushima accident will never end, they have no idea how to clean it up” -Caldicott (AUDIO)

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    True, it may be too late, and our goose may indeed be already cooked.
    Yet, there may still be some things we can do to keep the problem from destroying the biosphere, and the human genome entirely. Here are some ideas:
    1. Map the corium in the mudrock under Buildings1,2,&3.
    2. Sink a Cofferdam to a depth below the corium, completely around Buildings1,2,3,&4, enclosing the reactor buildings in a rectangle running from the Harbor uphill past the reactor buildings.
    3. Capture ground water and direct it around the outside of the Cofferdam, and into the ocean.
    4. Build cooling towers large enough to cool the 210 tons of uranium/plutonium corium.
    5. Capture water from a series of wells sunk inside the Cofferdam along the Harbor.
    6. Cool the water in the cooling towers.
    7. Inject the water into a series of wells sunk inside the Cofferdam uphill from the reactor buildings.
    This constitutes a Closed Loop Heat Sink, keeping the corium cool, and keeping much of the contamination out of the Pacific Ocean.
    As it is, the entire Pacific Ocean will become increasingly contaminated, destroying the Pacific Ocean Fishery, plunging the world into a final great depression, and civilization into a nose dive.


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Meet Mike, The Most Radioactive Fish Ever From Fukushima

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-19/meet-mike-most-radioactive-fish-ever-fukushima

      Oh, it is waay too late for all living lifeforms. Three tons of plutonium aerosolized into the biosphere has seen to that.

      100 years tops before mutagenisis is complete. Soon thousands of lifeforms will be unable to reproduce anything remotely healthy.

      This is the legacy of our masters.


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    • SnorkY2K

      My only corrections to your solution would be to place water pipes near corium and fill the void with bizmuth pellets. Bizmuth is similar to lead in blocking radiation and has a melting point higher than water but much lower than the corium. Bizmuth also has a low coefficient of expansion so as it cools pipes carrying water for cooling would not burst and would reduce exposure of the water to corium. As bizmuth pellets melt and flow down to corium, the bizmuth would solidify at the boundary between the groundwater and the corium reducing flow of radionuclides into the environment. As gaseous hot spot occur, areas will melt and absorb gas phase radionuclides instead of atmospheric venting and distribution. The resulting hunk will be be non-disposable for a million years. But, if anybody truely thinks that that area is actually cleanable by now I don't know what they are drinking. Might as well make fukushima the world's nuclear dump because it will never be useful to humans again. But at least the bizmuth solution immediately ends the world contamination.

      Also, any spent fuel pool rods falling onto bizmuth pellets will be immediately melted into the bizmuth immediatly protecting the area from skyshine better than 18 feet of water. Filling the voids below the pools with bizmuth removes all the risk of the spent fuel pools failing but will leave a monument to stupidity for as long as we guess.


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    • PattieB PattieB

      I'm sorry… that wouldn't work. The ONLY thing that stops corium, is liquid nitrogen. That what the folks at chernoble did to theirs. Frezze it in place, and surround it with it to hold it until it decays. Water around nuclear meterials has NEVER been but an AD-HOCK least-volitile managment solution. That DOESN'T mean it's SAFE! PLEASE! For the love of…! WHATEVER! UNDERSTAND THIS! EVERYONE keeps saying to just put it in water, and it'll be fine! NOT TRUE! We have exposed pools that are irradiating us as we speak! And I'm talking about the reactors here in the USA that have no active holes in them! Tritium, (H3) is pouring out of EVERY SINGLE ONE! Leaking or not! It's in the air we breath, and the water we all drink.
      The nuke shills LOVE THIS little ploy that EVERYONE seems to have swallowed COMPLETELY!


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        your suggestion to use liquid nitrogen is interesting PattieB. What are the issues involved in producing it in the required quantities? Would the extraction/compression generators and delivery systems remain reliable for the required cooling period? Are the vaporization properties conducive to this application? Can systems be deployed that would meet the required operational lifetime?

        I understand the answers to the above are contingent on insider knowledge and real-world conditions. As such, they're being submitted to those who are monitoring this thread as well as your good persons. Put simply, they're exploratory questions.

        You are correct in pointing out the risk in producing Tritium byproducts from water-based coolants. I think Phillip is thinking in terms of a system that would operate passively and reliably, for centuries. You seem knowledgeable enough to answer if any system could be developed to meet such challenging criteria…


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        • PattieB PattieB

          Like I said.. it's not a "can it be done" issue. The Chernoble team isolated in place their corium in this way. It hasn't moved in 25 years. The fact that it's out of the building for working this stsyem is a GOOD thing, and allows for it to be done. That's why I'm YELLING for this to be fixed before the coriums get to a depth that makes this impossible.


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          • SnorkY2K

            I think that Tepco is trying to wait until they can say it is impossible to avoid the cost of doing it the right way and admitting that at least a large portion of Honshu is destroyed.


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          • PattieB PattieB

            they tunneled under it and "Captured It" in just such a way.

            Under pressure, LNi will stay cold without need for circulation beyond where the heated moves away, and replaced by more in the context of "Contact" with the mass.


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            • moonshellblue moonshellblue

              The Chernobyl tunnel that was dug was indeed to place a liquid nitrogen cooling system but they decided against that and filled the tunnel with concrete. After removal of the corium at TMI they discovered that a majority had turned to dust, can't recall the exact figure but I think it was over 30%. Fukushima due to it's location is impossible to fix at this juncture but I would try graphite, etc everything even the kitchen sink and I believe tepco does inject boron and nitrogen on a regular basis. NO NUKES too late I guess perhaps thats what the powers that be assume and why the continue to destroy our planet. What a species.


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              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                your point about Chernobyl, moonshellblue, is not being factored into PattieB's suggestion. There were structural means to pumping in the liquified nitrogen at Chernobyl. In the case of Fukushima…Elvis has left the building. PattieB's point about Tritium byproducts being generated from water is a significant issue. But every remediation strategy must be predicated on real-world conditions and tradeoffs. This is the reason I'd consider Phillip's suggestion over PattieB's. She's correct that such technology would work, but would it work under less than ideal conditions?


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                • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                  "ELEvis" has left the building(s) you mean ?!!-put the "Elephant's Foot" from Chernobyl under the Fuku-D R1 Big Top circus tent with the 3 more already there & they'll have "Ziggy"-the glowing elephant ready & declared safe as a kiddy ride in time for the Tokyo Olympics!(sarcasm light turned off now~)~
                  On the brighter side of things-if they managed to cool the corium blob(s) and solidify them to the same consistency or something more manageable-would it make the coriums easier to work with once they're located and/or stopped & allowing some sort of containment mission to commence from there? Those of you who I look to for answers seem divided as to whether anything can be done if even to provide a temporary solution to ongoing release levels while something properly designed & built might later offer more permanent solutions towards containment from both airborne AND seaborne releases that continue unabated at present & with no end in sight as we come up on the 2nd anniversary of the event that easily looks to be the numero uno threat capable of bringing us and everything good about us along with the smaller number of perverted,disgusting d-bags who brought us to the brink of destruction and make our species look like horrible creatures to any "outside" helpers,whether E.T. technician "visitors" or "Divine Intervention"~why would they "help" or waste a "miracle" on us when we allow the most wretched individuals hold control over the good??!!
                  ~ :( ~**


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                • moonshellblue moonshellblue

                  http://youtu.be/XiPgsesupDQ Not to belabor the point but at about 43:00 or 44:00 into this documentary they decided against the nitrogen and loaded the tunnel with concrete perhaps that is why Chernobyl continues to be a threat to this day over 25 years. They did drop lead, graphite, nitrogen, etc via helicopter but this cannot be done at Fukushima because of the spent fuel pools.


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              • PattieB PattieB

                yes… they built the system… didn't install it. But they didn;t have a PU-laden corium to stop.

                The US Airforce has a boring rig that would make doing it childs play. It the same rig they used to connect their DUMBs… got a pic of it someplace….


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                • PattieB PattieB

                  Also, by freezing it, you also isolate it from water, nitrogen is an inhibitor of reactions. and even if it proved to need cyclical surface cooling… since the sea in the area is effectively dead? Build a floating solar array with a battery type of night-run system. The thing is… by building a tunnel type setup, you could catch all of the coriums in this manner… when and as they bored their way down into it. Have large airlocks at the ends, such that when its finaly cooled… would facilitate the robotic removal to proper disposal location in the future.


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                  • PattieB PattieB

                    It'ss not just H3 that's the issue… water when put in contact with a plutonium-type corium works as a reflector that will cause a criticality event. If it was JUST Urainium, it would be a different matter.


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                  • PattieB PattieB

                    Remember please… this is corium, not rods any longer… the rules on how you can treat and store it have been radicaly altered!


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                    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

                      I also don't think the corium is one big blob but has splattered which is a good thing in some respects but we have witnessed very black smoke spewing from cracks between the damaged reactors which indicates possible fissioning. Now this was several months ago but I do think the corium was the cause as individuals living in Japan claimed the aftershocks felt different like something exploding underground. Hmm, I really think it is beyond capture at this juncture and as it decays will turn to this very black radioactive dust as was witnessed at TMI. I'm sure they have considered all these options but you must factor in the spent fuel pools which limits their options. IMHO


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                  • PattieB PattieB

                    The nifty thing about a system like this…?
                    ANY water that gets into your concreated "Tunnel" is then flash-frozen and instantly seals the leak, also corium entrance is also auto sealed by the flash freezing effect… while the corium moves slowly to bottom of the tunnel where it would come to rest as a film over the entire bottom… ever reducing the ability to have a criticality even occure.


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                    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

                      Building a tunnel at this location would be very difficult due to the geology. I'm sure they have considered this option but as I have stated before the spent fuel pools hanging above the presumed corium locations is a major concern and there are so many pipes and electrical wires, etc that must be factored into this analysis.


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      • SnorkY2K

        I agree that nothing is worse for a critical reactor to be put in the ocean and dispersion is a huge financial savings for the nuclear industry at everyone and everything's expense. Fuel in reactors have enough trouble with water under controlled circumstances and there have already been container damages due to water erosion where water boils against fuel. (guess what contributes to leaks) Putting it into the ocean will eventually result in dispersion in an even less controlled situation without ion bed filtration to remove liberated particles. The nuclear industry considers being within an order of magnitude of background radiation to mean completely cleaned not regardless of the area contaminated to get to that dispersion level. Similar to the gulf incident where the gulf was considered cleaned up once the oil tar on the beaches was buried. The spill was the same but could be stretched to view as clean.

        Besides Fukushima we still have the 15 russian reactors in the Arctic ocean to clean up. We also need to go get all the material that we (US) dumped off the Marianas. Move it all to Fukushima and seal it off properly with adequate maintenance as well.


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          I got into an argument a year and a half ago over my post that included excerpts from a conversation I'd had with the then Commander of a sub base in CT who'd told me that both intentional and accident-related dumping of fuel waste material was committed by both of the Cold War actors-his claim was that the Soviets dumped rad waste in areas that would be sure to impact commercial Western fishing areas and we responded by dumping certain things in waters off the coasts of areas frequented by Soviet elite and their sub crews,but this ex Chief Petty Officer all but called me a liar and assertively claimed "The USN would NEVER do anything like that and had a PERFECT safety record"!! Yeah right!!LOL! Ten minutes later he was crying about SadNet,bogus data and scared that radiation levels being reported by his beloved Commander in Chief were erroneous!(?) It amazes me how people who mean well can manage to give the most guilty members of the nuke puke jet-set a FREE PASS because of some petty example of something good that they admire them for,but for the rest of us means "squat" while we're rolling around in radioactive crap like my dog rolls around the yard in cat s_it?!!(which is probably full of cesium,etc. too) I felt bad for taking out my personal dislike of USN "lifers" on this poor fool who will probably wave his flag all the way until they fold it into a triangle and give it to his surviving family at his funeral!(?)~I LOVE my country & people-NOT it's govt.!~…


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      • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

        The Soviets had a PLAN to freeze the coriums, but that NEVER happened.

        They got as far as drilling some mines underneath Chernobyl, while exposing thousands of miners to high radiation, but they never actually installed any cooling pipes or refrigeration systems.

        The corium stopped on it's own, in the basements of the reactor building, due to combining with sand, boron, lead and more, all mixing together and diluting the corium.

        The Chernobyl Sacrifice; 1 MILLION Liquidators; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/chernobyl-sacrifice-1-million.html

        The Battle Of Chernobyl Movie; via A Green Road
        http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/battle-of-chernobyl-movie.html


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    • Sirius

      You all forget this is a highly seismic area. I wouldn't bet on any construction to last 100.000 years…


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  • Donna

    I was trying to make sense of the data EPA posts regarding air/precipitation/milk/etc measurements. I found the following explanation for the NEGATIVE values that sometimes show in their tables:
    "Amounts can be zero, non-detect (ND), positive or negative. A negative result occurs when random effects and limitations in the measurement process cause the measured value for the sample to be less than that of the laboratory blank or background, which is subtracted from the sample measurement. Although negative radioactivity is physically impossible, the inclusion of negative results allows better statistical analysis of the data."
    Does this mean that the data they show is the difference between data measured and some "background" measured inside their labs at the same time? So … theoretically, it could mean that if inside the lab there is contamination, the data posted only quantifies how much worse the air /precipitation/ etc is outside?


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    • PattieB PattieB

      Donna? Your not asking the right question. Did the EPA use a sample taken from actual product being sold? THAT is the question.
      I had test done on my water here in MA. It's radioactive 0.22 and they refuse to list the elements involved!

      Add bio-accumulation, the cows eat what is grown in such water.
      See my photo album. I have a chart on bio-accumulation issues.

      FACT: Th EPA shut off all their radiation monitors. Why?
      Does this lead you to think ANYTHING that they may make available for the public is factual in any way?

      FACT: Without a permit from the government? YOU can NOT even BUY such a machine to do such test yourself! THINK about THAT for just a min.

      Next question?


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      • Donna

        I was actually looking at AIR data, not at food when I run across that description. I see your point.
        But I don't think they completely shut off their monitors. They no longer have the special Fukushima page and don't measure specific isotopes but one can still find station data with gross beta or gamma counts, with less frequent measurements, but they are still there. It takes a while to dig up the info though. There is an ipad app (Eco Data Radiation) that links to the most up to date info around the globe (including active EPA stations). Very sparse distribution of stations but at least there is some info…

        Pattie, can you please post the link to the chart you mentioned?


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    • Mack Mack

      @Donna – nuclearcrimes.org is the only place I've seen that discussed the negative number issue.

      Here's a quote:

      "What was equally concerning was that many of the EPA's data points had no physical meaning because they were negative. They were as negative as if you saw a negative number on your volume control on your television or stereo, or on your speedometer. Such a negative value would be impossible. So, why did the EPA produce negative values for plutonium in the U.S.? We believe the EPA may have had a 'negative bias' that could have dragged down positive values. This would mean that *IF* there was plutonium in the air over the U.S., a 'negative bias' would drag one or more positive measurements down to a value equated with 'zero' (or below the detection limit)."

      http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/12-2.php

      Maybe you can email nuclearcrimes admin, Andrew Kishner, and ask if he has any other thoughts on it:

      http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/contact.php

      I'd be interested in the answer, too.

      Hope that was at least somewhat helpful.


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    • J.

      The radio interview is well worth the 30 minutes needed. Caldicott, intensely intelligent and well-spoken, did a great service by pointing out the mendacity of the phrase "low dose radiation." She made clear that for surrounding cells, the radiation is high, intense, and persistent. The "low dose" meme benefits the nuclear promoters. Some other term is needed methinks. I propose "isolated high-dose" or "particulate high dose" or something similar. The word "internal" might help to break down the other mendacious emphasis on external dose. Perhaps "persistent internal particulate high-dose radiation." That's a bit long perhaps. Wrapping up: the sooner a proper term is agreed upon and put into widespread use, the better.


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  • VanneV anne

    They haven't figured out how to clean up Chernobyl. They haven't figured out how to keep radiation out of the Columbia River from the Hanford site. They haven't figured out how to clean up Mayak or Belarus or Kazakhstan or even Moscow or the dumping sites in the Arctic and other oceans around the world. They want to put a nuclear reactor in the oil sands in Alberta so all the oil extracted will be even more radioactive. They are just making money and killing their own children. They show their intent by planning and building even more nuclear reactors.

    We need a law that puts any one in favor of nuclear reactors in jail where they belong. They are not only murderers, but kleptomaniacs stealing from the middle class and poor. Nuclear reactors can only exist under a dictatorship. Nuclear reactors cannot exist in a free market.

    And what little they might know for clean up, they will never spend the money on.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Radiation is permeating Japan. And could happen anywhere. World scientists are helpless, no way to stop it.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    One little thing Ive noticed is that NO ONE who is responsible for the tragic death of the ecosystem (think; beyond Hitler or Stalin, beyond Mao Zedong) is going to prison. This is true not only of nuclear but Monsanto, Bankers, Military (biggest polluter before Fukushima they say) etc etc. So thats it then. The animals and the public are helpless against them, and only complain amongst themselves. That looks like the big picture to me.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      EVERYONE who is responsible, for the assault upon EVERYONES environment, will suffer the same fate, as those who are victims…


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        exactly Jebus. I was thinking how-best to answer his dismal assessment. CodeShutdown's not wrong about what's happened in our world. I think the collective mind is beginning to come to terms with this nightmare. The days of MSM's stranglehold over the minds of the people are numbered. The only ones who haven't woke to what's happening are either in retirement homes or simply can't handle reality. Those behind the scenes are more than aware of what's happening. They're now asking where the lobster's from…before digging in…


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          "science is brilliant, we will solve the storage and containment issue when the need arises"

          "you cant fight physics; science is unable to make solar, tide and wind supply our needs"

          "engineering is mighty; we can dig the panama canal, Japan dug a hole a mile and a half deep"

          "engineering has no answer for containing Fukushima, except to let radioactivity continually drain into the ocean"

          "our country is the greatest (pick your favorite), and we work tirelessly with our military and economic might to bring peace and prosperity to the world"

          "we have a limited budget and must not interfere, which might strain relations and further cause panic among the population"

          An endless list of dichotomies like the above could be generated, yet I dont see anybody I know willing to look at this, or talk about it. Where do you get the conviction the world is waking up? (in time). To an engineer, the 9-11 WTC collapses were works of some demolition technology. This was in front of the eyes of the whole world. Where are we today? Yes, the psychopaths ruined the world and will bring themselves down with it, while the masses stood by, feeding them nice dinners, cleaning their houses and funding their ways.


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  • PattieB PattieB

    January 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm · Reply
    * FLASH* NEWS *FLASH*

    Radiologicals Have been released in PADUKA!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv6ywi_RNDk&feature=youtu.be


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The longer this goes on, the more it adds to the overall scale and magnitude of this event. Far surpassing ANYTHING, man has done in detriment, to this planet, and it looks like the genie will finally succeed in escaping man's grasp…
    We are all on this ship of fools together.
    I'm awake, and I look towards any pro-nuker lying to me today and say,

    "Bad dreamer, what's your name
    Looks like were ridin on the same train
    Looks as through there'll be more pain
    There's gonna be a showdown"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mmx68VmTEo


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  • PattieB PattieB

    I have soooo many file… one week with this set… download them!

    Then will remove and do next set… not enough room!

    http://www.4shared.com/folder/E4sQOura/_online.html


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  • Sol Man

    Too late! Too late! The world is on a spiral where inertia and gravity win while all of the People lose. If it is possible to be honest with ourselves we can see how this ongoing event plays out in the Children of Chernobyl. We should have loved our children and the earth most. Accumulate everything is of no avail, because greed can't win. Even the occupants of the grandest castles behind the gates in Perdition Estates will have their genomes "enhanced." We'll see the results in a few generations. Sad days,indeed! This is one of the logical conclusions to fascism. It is quite a morality play.


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Since I lived through the TMI crisis and watched as most of the population evacuated, I do understand how the people in Japan feel to a degree. I will never forget that weekend it was beyond words thus those living on the edge every day in Japan must be so very stressed, scared, etc and my heart breaks for them as this is so much worse on so many levels. NO NUKES


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  • allmymarbles

    Very glad to know that Hillary Clinton is stepping down from her position. She is a very harmful element in our government. I wonder if she, herself, will eat food imported from Japan.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Agreed, yet I understand why she did it and once again it's all about money, keeping the economy rolling at the expense of public health plus the cancers and numerous diseases also will contribute to the vicious monetary cycle. Please don't let me be misunderstood, smile, but truly the almighty dollar is the motivating factor for many of these insane actions by politicians i.e. fracking, nuclear power but speaking of nukes as Arnie has stated the energy companies are slowly coming to the realization that it is not worth the expense to bring their aging plants up to date and as he said ' the dominoes are beginning to fall' The advantageous flip of the coin, so to speak.
      Every nuclear plant in the USA should be shut down especially the Mark 1 BWR's. If only the NRC would tell every plant they need to invest massive amounts of money for things like submersible pumps and various expensive upgrades if they want to continue running I think many energy companies would de-commission these death traps. JMHO


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    • Anthony Anthony

      I've been wondering if she ATE food from Japan, hence her heath decline?


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    • VanneV anne

      Actually, Hillary campaigned against nuclear power plants in 2008. It is Obama and Biden who have campaigned for nuclear energy and McCain and Mitt Romney campaigned even more. I've heard Bill Clinton say we should replace nuclear with green renewables. Obama and his advisers were brought to power by Exelon. Hillary had the nomination taken away from her by the pro-nuclear Democrats because she isn't pro nuclear. Obama has just given federal funds to Bill Gates to pay for half of the research and development to new and untried nuclear energy and Obama continues to fund the fiasco at the Savannah River MOX plant and for other reprocessing facilities and other nuclear experimentation around the country. He is the one who continued the appointment of the pro-nuclear and anti-environmentalist Chu at head of the Dept of Energy. And he and his advisers have appointed all pro-nuclear shills in other positions. Please concentrate your criticism on those in power who are definitely pro-nuclear. The mess in the Gulf of Mexico is definitely the fault of Obama and his administration and the sinkhole in Louisiana and the damage of Hurricane Sandy. Why didn't the American people hold hObama responsible and nominate another Democrat last year? Obama is destroying our environment. And Mitt Romney would have been even much, much worse.


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  • The three melted out cores are somewhere below the underground water table and luckily the groundwater is cooling the corium so most radioactivity is being absorbed by the ocean instead of the atmosphere. Better for me on the american continent. Just avoid fish from Pacific. Still, nothing much said in the media when melt through should be a new word instead it is avoided. The monied buddies will always help their monied buddies. But they are a small minority and let's pray the real moral majority shall overcome.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Back to the discussion on nitrogen freezing:
    My original concept was to have two cofferdams, 100' apart, running in parallel, to a depth below that of the corium.
    In my design, the inner and outer cofferdams were to form a rectangle completely around Buildings1,2,3,&4, well beyond the corium, and would eventually become the foundation of a sarcophagus over Buildings1,2,3,&4.
    The mudrock between the cofferdams would then be excavated.
    A series of horizontal holes would be drilled at the base of the cofferdams, under the corium. The pipes would be spaced apart, so that when filled with liquid nitrogen, they would freeze the corium in place, and stop any further downward migration.
    A header manifold would connect the end of the pipes, where they penetrate the inner cofferdam. Liquid nitrogen would circulate through the manifold, run in parallel pipes under the corium, and be collected in the manifold on the opposite side of Buildings1,2,3,&4.
    Pump rooms would be built to monitor the system, replace liquid nitrogen as necessary, and circulate the liquid nitrogen.
    The space between the inner and outer cofferdam would now be filled with reinforced concrete, perhaps using the formulation suggested on ENEnews by Markww. Using this formula would help contain any corium that came into contact with the foundation concrete.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The Fukushima Sarcophagus would be built on this foundation. (Cont'd from above.)
      Spent fuel pools would be emptied.
      Vent stacks, generator buildings, and other structures within the inner cofferdam would be removed.
      Reactor Buildings1,2,3,&4 are now filled with concrete.
      Reactors and spent fuel pools are filled with borated lead and sand.
      Coriums would have to be confirmed to be immobile and stable before proceeding.
      A floor for the sarcophagus will now be built over the entire rectangular surface within the inner cofferdam, between Buildings1,2,3,&4, using 10' of reinforced concrete, topped with membrane roofing (to seal in radioactive gasses.)
      A sarcophagus of reinforced concrete would now be built, buttressed as necessary to allow the underlying sandstone to support the weight, completely over Buildings1,2,3,&4.
      A metal structure similar to the Chernobyl cover now under construction, can be planned and built over the Sarcophagus, during the thirty years following completion, to trap any gasses that might escape.

      Fukushima is a serious calamity that will poison the entire Earth, if TEPCO is allowed to continue at this snail pace, with their vision focused on keeping remedial costs low. Japan must start to THINK BIG so that the corium in the mudrock under Buildings1,2,&3 can be brought under control, and the ongoing, continuous contamination of the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere can be stopped. If TEPCO will not step up, the Japanese Government must…


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        If TEPCO will not step up, the Japanese Government must take over. If Japan will not step up, a U.N. effort will be necessary. Thank you Admin. and ENEnewsers for your exploration of strategies for bringing an end to the ongoing Fukushima Calamity. No nukes. Peace.


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  • Sol Man

    Philip, Great ideas, but how long do you think that it would take to accomplish? My concern is that the corruption and the inability to work long under the conditions will hamper any conclusion for a long time and that clock is ticking with every additional trillion becquerels released.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Japan will utterly exhaust itself in the effort to build the Corium Containment and Sarcophagus as I have outlined it here, Sol Man. Japan is already toast. The human genome simply cannot survive in such a contaminated environment, breathing such contaminated air, and eating such contaminated food as the Japanese people are now must do. So, Japan MUST force itself to accomplish this construction quickly, by THINKING BIG.

      Picture what would be needed to accomplish a project of this scale:
      Work will go on, day and night, for ten years, involving the labor of tens of thousands of workers.
      It will take a major effort just to locate and map the corium in 3 dimensions, by land, sea, air, and space.
      Concrete plants will be built on-site.
      Large cement plants, excavating, drilling, and construction machines will arrive by sea.
      Barges and self-unloading ships will be queued up for miles at sea with materials from the world-over.
      At the Harbor, cranes will be unloading steel re-bar, concrete, aggregate, and chemicals by the shipload.
      Automated construction equipment will have to be developed to limit the exposure of human workers.


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Over the years of construction, Japan's economy, health, institutions, and civilization will all be in steep decline. As the Sarcophagus Project is completed, most resources will have to be redirected into healthcare. By this time, Japan will be a nation where the sick are caring for the dying. Mutated offspring will require care, rather than be able give care. The Earth will witness a truly appaling spectacle in Japan. This spectacle has already begun, and will continue as the Japanese Islands are depopulated, and as Japan ceases to be a world power.
        :(


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        …as the Japanese people now must do…


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        • Sol Man

          I agree, but I just can't get myself to seeing the world's politicians, the money men, and the various capable industries, to the extent that they exist given the magnitude of the project, all getting together and accomplishing what needs to be done. At one time I thought that I understood some human nature and the way things worked; not so with the current crew.


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      • richard richard

        a Sarcophagus must NOT be built. They need to get in there and solve the problem. a Sarcophagus simply offsets the responsibility, blame, and damnation for forever, onto future generations.

        Only the gutless want a Sarcophagus. Get in there NOW and solve the issue. Let the public see the real horror of nukes as tens of thousands die from nuke poisoning trying to save the planet.

        a Sarcophagus is just a lie – future people will have to pay the price, and the nuke industry gets to operate as if there is nothing wrong.

        Get the tepco execs, the japanese politcians, the US engineers and companies like Bechtel, get them in there, let them pay the ultimate price for the destruction and domm they have brought us.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Anyone for fission chips?

    (seen on another site – morbidly funny!)


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