Radio: Fukushima may be eclipsing Chernobyl as worst nuclear disaster in history… It’s like a time bomb — They really need to seal off underground (AUDIO)

Published: August 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima may eclipse Chernobyl as the worst nuclear disaster in history
Source: VOR Radio
Author: Kate Zickel
Date: Aug 19, 2013

Fukushima may eclipse Chernobyl as the worst nuclear disaster in history

Kate Zickel, Senior Producer: [...] Fukushima may be eclipsing Chernobyl as the greatest nuclear disaster in history. Public sentiment appears to be against the continuing reliance on nuclear power in Japan, but the government has been slow to move in that direction. [...]

Aileen Mioko Smith, Director of Green Action: [...]  You remember in Chernobyl they placed a sarcophagus on top and below of concrete, all over the plant, so that radiation wouldn’t get out. Well imagine with Fukushima, it is underground, there are leaks happening underground. They really need to seal off underground, but they haven’t done it, and so there are leaks into the ocean. […] There’s still so much groundwater underneath, and we’ve been addressing the fact that it’s finally going to get to the contamination, and it has. So right now, there’s — above ground — a hole in the reactor, a hole in the containment, and trying to cool it, but still it leaks. They are pumping up the water there, but underground is this radiation spreading. The levels going into the ocean — about 300 tons of contaminated water is going in right now — is nearly as high levels as right after the Fukushima accident. But the concern is that the levels are going up and underground the contamination seems to be spreading. We don’t know what the sources are; it’s like a time bomb. [...]

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Published: August 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm ET
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52 comments to Radio: Fukushima may be eclipsing Chernobyl as worst nuclear disaster in history… It’s like a time bomb — They really need to seal off underground (AUDIO)

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Hmmm..Chernobyl – 1 reactor meltdown, sense enough to immediately entomb and pour barrier under corium to contain best as possible. Fukuverymuch, 3 runaway coriums directly over an aquifer. May surpass?? Taken 3 yrs to figure that one out? Duct tape and upside-down traffic cones are not going to cut it. The chance to remediate has long come and gone. Japan and US leaders are criminally insane not to have acted in a world wide effort with urgency by now. Too little too late. Screw both countries so called governments. And still promoting future nuclear… Its like a bad groundhog day rerun from hell. Its time for the people to take their countries back asap.


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  • IMO – There is/was no longer any logical comparison of Fukushima to Chernobyl after Reactor 3 BLEW SHY HIGH.

    Fukushima is Chernobyl x 3 meltdowns. (at least)

    Add to that no real containment added like Chernobyl.

    Then, take that times 892 DAYS of non-stop no end in sight contamination to the atmosphere and sea.

    One does not need to be an expert mathematician to see there is no comparison.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Chernobyl isn't directly polluting the Pacific or any Ocean. I will bet Fuku has been dumping into the Pacific from Week One. Fuel load and fuel type Fuku trumps Chernobyl. Are there any cities near Chernobyl where the fallout is ubiquitous as nuclear waste like in Tokyo? And that is on the record. Innocent people like ourselves are being dragged down by the insanity.

      You are so right. The people still talking shit about this industrial catastrophe at this stage of the game deserve what they get. I'm just not giving it to them anymore.


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I'm wondering if the 300 tons of contaminated water being released into the ocean is a tad light after hearing that before the accident they were pumping 850 tons but after 311 that system bit the dust thus Fukudoom must be a soaking wet sponge but maybe it's not that severe but it is an emergency things that make ya go hmm.


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    I vaguely remember this subject being mentioned a few days ago, though I MAY be mistaken, and I can't find it now…

    Sott.net

    "You're kidding? Fukushima nuclear plant to become tourist attraction?"

    http://www.sott.net/article/265115-You-re-kidding-Fukushima-nuclear-plant-to-become-tourist-attraction

    Is there truly no end to mankind's stupidity and avarice ? – Apparently not…

    I feel the need to go off somewhere dark and pound my head against the wall.


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    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      …The last paragraph of the article…

      "…Just to highlight the destructive outcome of the disaster at Fukushima: A study done by the International Journal of Health Services claims that 14,000 deaths have been linked to radioactive fall across the Pacific in the United states."

      14,000 deaths and STILL the sheeple slumber.


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      • IPPNW – Health Effects of Chernobyl 25 Years After The Reactor Catastrophe (69 million casualties); via @AGreenRoad
        http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/07/ippnw-health-effects-of-chernobyl-25.html

        Assume that these folks are right… 69 million casualties just on European continent from then to now, from Chernobyl.

        Now think about what that means coming up for the globe from FUKU?

        14,000? Yea, ok, maybe reset the computer and start adding A LOT of zeros to the mainframe capability.


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        • davidh7426 davidh7426

          140,000 minimum…

          And that's just from the radiation. Some of those will be professionals like doctors, nurses, the staff at America's own NPP's, people that society needs to survive.

          Fukushima is the nuclear equivalent of a global pandemic, but unlike a pandemic, it won't burn itself out, it'll just keep on going for thousands of years, till the survivors are back in a new stone-age.

          Aftermath – Population zero

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqHECc5rPo

          After Armageddon

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rYaPfFLgo

          Imagine a world with minimal people those two videos may give you a small glimpse of what it'll be like for the survivors.

          'After Armageddon' for the dying, and 'Aftermath – Population zero' for the world the survivors will face.

          —–

          But that's just my opinion.


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          • davidh7426 davidh7426

            …I forgot. Without the medical staff, we'll have a lot more illness and disease to cope with.

            It won't be quick, society will linger quite a while, and it may take several generations before the FULL effects take hold.

            All this from just 1 NPP, imagine if it happens again, maybe in a plant near you.


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            • davidh7426 davidh7426

              Two thousand years ago, the worlds combined population was approx 200 million, so society could survive Fukushima quite easily, though I suspect that society itself may become unrecognisable by our standards.

              And it would explain, at least in my view, all the political tomfoolery that's going on, as the governments try to place themselves in good positions to survive what's coming.


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  • moonman

    wow, lets see if 3 reactors are in china syndrom 100 tons x 3 molton corium left the building going through 1 foot of cement an hour to escape , going down into ground and hits aqufir makes steam , how do you get something under it? what can you do with molton corium when you catch it? seems most people that has been following this knows more than even admitted by this story. the sad fact is they have killed us all and dont know how to tell you. the airisoled plutonium done that on its own, we are walkers now till the end .


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Someone needs to mention that anyone planning a trip to California needs to visit the RadNet site for current radiation monitoring. The gamma's and Beta Gross in Anaheim started increasing about a week ago and are climbing everyday…I think the reason all this news is suddenly coming out about Fukushima is because something major happened about two weeks ago. That is when I started seeing increased Rad levels in CA.


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      • Recent alerts;

        "The Greensboro, NC station was operating a standard tubed Monitor 4 on July 28th when his average background count of 10 CPM gave way to a 3 minute surge of 352, 545, and 760 CPM, then just as quickly subsided to normal levels. This pattern could be explained by brief handling of a radioactive sample, or momentary passing of a human still radioactive from a medical test, but the operator claims neither. Logistically, his detector is facing out a second story window toward an airport, with clear skies at the time – cause unknown.

        Then just yesterday, August 9th, the Williston, ND station broadcast an alert, exceeding 200 CPM against his normal background of 49 CPM. He operates the PRM-9000, an ultra-sensitive pancake tubed Geiger counter. No feedback yet from the operator as to an explanation. In case it is relevant, Williston is ground central for the recent oil boom surrounding the rich Bakken geological formation."

        Bottom line, it pays to own and have a Geiger Counter running 24 hours a day.


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  • Holygeezer

    I'm certainly no nuclear scientist but my common sense tells me this is far, far worse than Chernobyl ever was. How someone can even suggest that Fukushima is not worse seems rather idiotic to me. As far as I have been able to ascertain, Fukushima has been completely out of control since day one and there is no stopping it whatsoever. As to it being akin to a time bomb, it went off on day one and the only ticking sound is how much longer humans will be around (along with other lifeforms).


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  • Sol Man

    Please, strive to curb the idiocy! There never was any question of the severity here!


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  • Edward Edward

    Leaks and lying aside, another major earthquake will be game over. How many years left before it cools and is safe? Another big quake is very likely in that area. Lying governments and mainstream media know that most people don't pay attention to this because it is so far away and the truth would hurt the economy. Less travel, seafood purchases, nuke industry image etc.
    The rich and powerful control our governments, media and monetary system. They only tell us what they want us to hear and is good for the economy.


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  • Auntie Nuke

    "MAY be eclipsing Chernobyl" as the worst nuclear disaster? Why does anyone not in the pay of the IAEA, NEI, Japan's NRA, etc. still pussyfoot around about this? There is nothing to debate; it's the worst industrial accident to happen on Planet Earth, ever.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Chernobyl is not resolved either, the sarcophagus is crumbling and there is no way to stop the meltdown. Hanford in Washington is killing people (my father in 2008 who was a down-winder), Rocky Flats in Colorado is killing people. Death from Nuclear Radiation is not a new problem, but the magnitude and the fact this happened out where everyone can see it unfolding is unprecedented. I saw the mention of 14,000 deaths….about Millions of death, and possibly billions (no joke). And anyone who still believes only 67 people died from Chernobyl, I have a beautiful beachfront property in Sendai for sale.


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  • mairs mairs

    Next up… the Fukushima nuclear accident may affect sea life in the Pacific for years to come. The likelihood? News at 10!


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  • mairs mairs

    August ceck in with nuclear industry posters: "Shut up shut up SHUT UP!!! I'm covering my ears now! You can't touch me! I'm invincible! Did you just see that? Where's my drink? What was THAT??? Where are my smokes… A….hahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA! BANANAS! The sun. The SUN gives off radiation! Did you hear me? DID YOU HEAR ME!!!!!!"


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  • razzz razzz

    The only thing new that happened lately at Daiichi is the backing up of underground water from the semi-completed seaside underground wall. Is the water moderating the melts causing fission and fallout? Did some recent nearby quakes upset the melts? Unit 3 decided to start steaming around those times bringing its deconstruction to a halt.

    At Chernobyl, great pains were taken to keep the melt dry. Fukus doesn't have that option available.


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Quote from Rt.com article:
      RT: Are the fuel rods in danger of falling victim to other factors, while the extraction process is ongoing? After all, it’s expected to take years before all 1,300+ rods are pulled out.

      CC: Unfortunately yes, the fuel rods are in danger every day they remain in the pool. The more variables you add to this equation, and the more time that passes, the more risk you are exposed to. Each reactor and spent fuel pool has its own set of problems, and critical failure with any of them could ultimately have the end result of an above-ground, self-sustaining nuclear reaction. It will not be known if extraction of all the fuel will even be possible, as some of it may be severely damaged, until the attempt is made to remove it.

      RT: Finally, what is the worst case scenario? What level of contamination are we looking at and how dire would the consequences be for the long-term health of the region?

      CC: Extremely dire. This is a terrible answer to have to give, but the worst case scenario could play out in death to billions of people. A true apocalypse. Since we have been discussing Reactor 4, I'll stick to that problem in particular, but also understand that a weather event, power outage, earthquake, tsunami, cooling system failure, or explosion and fire in any way, shape, or form, at any location on the Fukushima site, could cascade into an event of that magnitude as well.
      http://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse-fuel-removal-598/


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  • :0

    Did someone say bananas and the SUN in one sentence?

    We are getting excited now…

    Where is the party?

    ooooo, oooo, ooooo

    We will bring the monkeys

    Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil..

    What does that Spell?

    FUKU


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  • captndano captndano

    One would think there must be a manufacturer's design liability class action lawsuit somewhere in this mess? From what I understand, it's a GE design. The 'We Bring (ahemm) 'Good' Things To Life' company. It would be interesting to learn who the builder was. I mean, don't they sue manufacturer's for far less design flaws than this??? After all, they designed it in such a way as to place the world's most dangerous waste material 100 feet up resting on the world's most dangerous power producing machine in the most earthquake prone region in the world!! Huh? It's beyond comprehension.


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    • VanneV anne

      Unit Type[24]
      Containment
      Start construction[25]
      First criticality[25]
      Commercial operation[25]
      Decommissioned Electric power[25]
      Reactor supplier[24]
      Architecture[7]
      Construction[7]
      Fuel
      Fukushima I – 1[4]
      BWR-3
      Mark I July 25, 1967 October 10, 1970 March 26, 1971 April 20, 2012 460 MW General Electric
      Ebasco
      Kajima
      LEU

      Fukushima I – 2[4]
      BWR-4 Mark I June 9, 1969 May 10, 1973 July 18, 1974 April 19, 2012 784 MW General Electric Ebasco Kajima LEU

      Fukushima I – 3[4]
      BWR-4 Mark I December 28, 1970 September 6, 1974 March 27, 1976 April 19, 2012 784 MW Toshiba
      Toshiba Kajima LEU/MOX[9]

      Fukushima I – 4[4]
      BWR-4 Mark I February 12, 1973 January 28, 1978 October 12, 1978 April 19, 2012 784 MW Hitachi
      Hitachi Kajima
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant


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    • VanneV anne

      And Toshiba now owns Westinghouse. And they are now building two AP1000 design NPP in the US. The US is out of its mind to allow the Japanese failed technology and management to build anything on US soil. The world is nuts to allow anyone to build any nuclear power plant anywhere in the world. But the criminals in Japan and South Korea are bidding to build many more NPPs in Africa and the Middle East and elsewhere.

      If they were in jail for war crimes against humanity and genocide, they could no longer build or manage any more NPPs or nuclear weapons anywhere in the world.

      World, US, UN, please wake up.

      And China and Russia also have problems with their NPP technology and India also and Pakistan and Iran. Please do not continue this folly any longer. The human genome is suffering extinction. Destroyer of worlds.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    This video from Dr. Conrad Miller, one of the few MD's that is talking about Fukushima. He discusses food monitoring etc. who is and who is not looking at our food and also the levels coming out of Fukushima. The info about food is staggering.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Dd-5B-uUk


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    • VanneV anne

      TY, newsblackoutUSA,
      " Published on Aug 12, 2013

      Our food: e.g. pistachios, fish, tea, seaweeds, grass that cattle (meat) consume – is being contaminated by the Fukushima Nuclear Disaster as 10 MILLION becquerels per hour of cesium (plus 100's of other radionuclides) continue running out of destroyed Units 1-3 into the groundwater, rivers, then Pacific Ocean, contaminating fish and other life forms. Food limits for contamination: Japan (100 bq per kg) vs USA (1200 bq per kg) starts 4:22 in video; toxicities, effects on our bodies, especially the heart starts 6:21. AMA recommends continuing monitoring of edible fish, as monitoring has been curtailed since the nuclear disaster began March 11, 2011 while the severe radioactive leaking continues unabated."


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  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    Using Chernobyl as a yardstick to measure Fukushima is pretty easy to do..

    Chernobyl had 180 tons of uranium, 3 tons burned, and the rest melted down into the basement.

    FDNPP1 had approx 2100 tons of uranium and a little less than 100 tons of plutonium onsite when it blew on 3/11.

    If you have a helpful suggestion that would aid TEPCO's efforts contact them here..
    https://www4.tepco.co.jp/en/other/contact/consult-e.html

    The three small American geotech companies who are helping TEPCO construct the permafrost icewall for underground water management used this link to contact the company.

    TEPCO is very busy, so don't expect a reply unless it's something they are extremely interested in at that exact moment.

    In April 2011 I tossed a few of my suggestions in there, and I have some intuition they adapted a couple of my ideas and used them as best they could under the conditions.

    I was one of several guys who suggested using tents over the wrecked buildings for improving control of airborne contamination.. this tent idea was roundly ridiculed by many enewsers.. but over time I began to understand why my idea was not fully implemented over the entire disaster site.

    Another of my suggestions was to use a zinc-sulfide resin or molasses spray on the dusty dirt to hold down airborne contaminants.. and the zinc-sulfide will glow in the dark very bright where it is in contact with hot bits of radwaste.

    http://img1.etsystatic.com/013/0/6938895/il_fullxfull


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    • Kassandra

      How about getting tepco to admit scale of releases and extent of problems at site.

      Can we submit requests for transparency and accountability?

      The resin idea is a good one, thanks for submitting it.


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      • 21stCentury 21stCentury

        Can we submit requests for transparency and accountability?

        Could we have submitted requests for transparency and accountability to the Bush administration during the invasion of Iraq?…
        …yeah sure, I did, but I obviously didn't get an answer, and it contributed to my already very big and amusing deep-dossier at CIA/NSA/DHS.

        I also submit requests for transparency and accountability to Hanford and get the same brushoff unless it's a very lawyered request under FOIA.. but Japan doesn't have a FOIA.

        One thing you CAN do is volunteer to go dive for radbits outside the breakwater, and from there you can have a front row seat !!

        I'll go with ya !! I have a lot of experience as a harvest diver.


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        • We Not They Finally

          FOIA is well worth trying, anyway. Sometimes it's just Redaction City. (Ask Hatrick Penry.) In the Bush years, they perverted the FOIA to let corporations with secret codes invade FBI files of totally innocent people. (Just unfortunately, the FBI sometimes thinks that people are guilty until proven innocent. But since the files are secret, there is not even that chance!)

          I literally went through deciphering that in a job interview. "We need your social security number to do a security check, but if you've never been in trouble with the FBI, you have nothing to worry about." And I'm like, "WHAT???"

          Whereas, getting accurate complete info from FOIA became MORE difficult. But it's worth trying!


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    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      pic of zinc sulfide powder phosphor-glow under radiation…
      http://img1.etsystatic.com/013/0/6938895/il_fullxfull.463875865_mnzj.jpg

      Lots of hot bits of debris was ejected into the seawater offshore during the explosions.. an effective method for slowing spread of ocean contamination and identifying the locations of the hot-bits of debris on the ocean bottom is to cover the ocean bottom with nailed down fabric tarps.. Either apply zinc-sulfide paint or add zinc-sulfide to the plastic resin before spinning it into fabric. Divers can then swim over the glowing tarps after all the rad-wastewater spillage from the powerplant is stopped. Divers can spot the rad-bits glowing under the tarp, then cut the tarp and use long tongs to place the radbits into a lead-box. The seawater offers some rad-shielding for the divers. Wearing a leaded JIM-suit can be used in really hot areas.

      http://georgevalah.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/fukublast.jpg


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  • ftlt

    This is a good example of how dumbed down the greater world is about FUFU… Early on, the line was Chernobyl was worse… Most had moved on from watching FUFU – they were left with this lie in their minds.. Now they must not admit it was a lie and to their inattention to the world's most serious immediate disaster.. Not good…


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  • We Not They Finally

    It's good that they are reporting, but they are so NOT UP TO SPEED. They never heard of MELT-THROUGHS and CORIUMS? They need to get educated enough to competently report it. But still better to report it than NOT to report it.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    That will take 5-10 minutes max, unless they want to read volumes of research and tons of PDF's.


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  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    I don't worry or rely on reporting, I can see all I need to see with my own eyes looking at the pictures, what's on youtube, and TEPCO's inventory reports which are accurate enough for me, give or take a few tons.

    The situation will still get worse before it gets better…

    I fully expect to totally revise and transform how I relate to my food/air/water here near Seattle.

    From my point of view, 99% of enewsers are late to the party I been partying in since 1959 when I first realized the nuke industry was run by idiots and assholes.

    …one more rad-health hint: Drink plenty of Kangen Water

    radwaste fallout is a good excuse to watch your diet more closely, and after a while you become a natural health professional !!
    Every crisis gives us a new opportunity.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, just what we all need is a brand new opportunity :)

    To run like hell!!!

    Sad, no place to hide anymore…

    Best to prepare as stated.


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  • Ourself Ourself

    Yeah, there really isn't any place to hide. I don't think preparing is going to do too much either, but hey, might as well, do what you can. I personally think we're all doomed. Enjoy life while you can, make every moment count.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Gee, based on the world's behavior the last 20 years or so it looks like everyone has been cheating on/taking/living all their bucket lists!

    Sad when you see an entire world civilization act out in unison its subliminal understandings…

    Ourself you have no clue what manifesto I was referring too..do you?


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    • Ourself Ourself

      I was responding to your most recent post above. Not sure which one you're referring to.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        A while ago I was reading how a police officer created and I guess posted a manifesto about his time in the police force before he was killed in a cabin by his own.

        I heard the term manifesto before when researching the Communist Manifesto years ago.

        Then I remembered another one in the back of my mind that was put out, but I never read it since when it came out I was young and working like a dog and had no time but to take care of my family.

        It was the uni-bombers manifesto that I was referring to. After the cabin episode I decided to look it up and see if it was still online and it was. Obviously this guy used all the wrong approaches to get his message out by hurting other people, but I did find it to be a fascinating read.

        He pretty much told the world what to expect and how/what/where things were going to head and it appears that he was right. It rather shocked me since it was only recently that I had a chance to read what he had actually written many years ago.

        His approach in hurting others was dead wrong and absolutely not recommended, but he seemed to know and have a feel where we were heading technology wise in his manifesto.

        You may have already read it so I was wondering your impression if you had.


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