45 comments to Comedy Show? Radio: Fukushima very much under control — Notion that Japan is ruined in any way isn’t true unfortunately — Nuclear power not all China Syndrome stuff (VIDEO)
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Sooo, a topical comedian knows about the conditions at Fukushima to be a-ok? Oh wait, he got his info from George Monbiot so it’s all good :/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsjzyIszUHI
Umm, stick to your day job Mr. O’Briain!
did you know that o briain is the same as o brian.. the first is plastic paddy gaelic.. only two types of irishmen revert to their gaelic names.. brave pavees on the run and sad celebrities who contract out to the bbc!! lol
obrian? where did i hear that name recently.. both bald too!! folicly challenged, i meant!! wonder if it runs in the post atmospheric testing genes then… lol )
Many of us never believed the lies and never believed there could be “safe” nuclear power (far too many known and unknown variables). We were even more aghast to find out that the government/businesses were going ahead with it anyway.
All of a sudden it was a “done deal” and our opposition made no difference.
“Jim al-Khalili” shares his name with one of the most honoured poets of the ancient body of inner Islamic thought. I am surprised and shocked to find someone, promoting that heritage in name, to be setting himself up as an apologist for the nuclear industry – or, read for that, Military Industrial Complex, if you like – and clearly, in the light of this simple analysis, lying through his teeth about the problems. That’s part one of my complaint.
The second part is that a clear aim of the de-evacuation process is that the original victims of the fallout can be returned to the contamination zone. Why do this?
To harden the physical boundaries of the epidemolical study of the effects of the meltdowns. Easy to see that the affected population is now dispersed and to trace the totality of the effect of radiobiological damage is impossible; whereas: if the victim population can be returned to the site, and corralled there, the statistical validity of the study is complete.
Considering the above as a reasonable interpretation of the aims of the nuclear engineering and nuclear medicine communities, I stand aghast and almost incapable of words at their arrogant, cynical, and reckless dismissal of the lives of the victims and the future of all the rest of us.
Interesting post as always, Misitu. I find your “physical boundary” argument persuasive but not compelling. The boundary part is compelling, but your proposed reason, epidemiological study, isn’t working for me. Could you flesh it out a bit or perhaps throw Occam’s razor at it to look for other possible reasons they may want tightly defined boundaries?
I’m guessing it may be as simple as: bureaucrats love order; everything has to fit in its pigeonhole; where no pigeonholes exist, bureaucrats create them. Bureaucrats tend to approach all problems using the same set of tools, problems as diverse as dogs pooping on lawns or nuclear catastrophes.
I don’t know if I can make a more convincing presentation but I’ll try, briefly.
Most of my background has been in the commercial world but late on I worked in the public sector, with access to “senior decision makers” (my quote marks). I found a markedly different psychology in the latter world. Accountability is not great in commerce but it is infinitely present compared with government. Ivory Towers just don’t do justice to the disconnect, almost arrogance, of those who interpret and implement decisions over those who, in the end, pay their wages. I was around when the great Bird/Pig Flu scare was forecast for the UK and observed the thinking of directors and the like.
Let’s play a thought game here, like those internet sites where you can set up a nation state. Your nation is under threat from a disseminated chemical agent. An area of millions of inhabitants is contaminated. The threat is long term and involves damage to the immune system. Over the next one to two decades you have been provided with plausible forecasts including plague-like epidemics whereby incubation of the infective agents, hardened by development in immune deficient human (and other) hosts, spreads easily to populations in the uncontaminated zone.
So, you have only one strategy available, which is to corral the population of the contaminated zone in order to preserve the remainder of your nation. This not only protects the uncontaminated area from future infection, it also means that you can offer good quality data on the progress of the contamination effects.
A positive spin can be put on the “data collection” as a means to mitigate future disasters. Also, it’s reassuring for your neighbour nation states, or, really, I should say, it’s good food for your neighbour governments to PR their own populations.
I never bought the “psychological harm from panic” … contd. …
I never bought the “psychological harm from panic” spin that the Japanese authorities and their friends and supporters have been giving out. Any sane government would have moved populations at some speed were it beneficial to do so. No, more to it than that although it’s been a long time coming into focus for me.
So, those who may have been affected must, have to, be, moved back. Only one way to do this, to overcome resistance, and that’s to pretend everything’s fine. And to character-assassinate any critics.
Anyone with half a brain (which is to say anyone who doesn’t operate in local or national government) could see this would never work.
OK, I said “briefly”, so I hope very much that this looks a bit sensible without any more of my spam.
Even if even more horror than what’s already happened.
Hi Misitu. I like your analytical approach, but I’m not yet persuaded of your conclusion (no matter – you could well be right, of course).
I’m ok with the first part (your 9:27 post), but I quibble with “you have only one strategy available”. I agree it is the only obvious rational strategy, but in actuality a “decision maker” might decide something like “there is too much political risk with that approach, so instead I will create a smoke screen that puts the heat on another department, and I will take a job with industry.” (Some variation of the Japanese prime ministerial resignation that actually happened).
I think it is risky to assume/believe that decision makers will make a rational decision (viewed from outside their personal world).
Like you, I don’t buy the “psychological harm from panic” argument, but I do buy a variation of it, namely the notion that they were and are unprepared to handle a mass evacuation. From their point of view, it would be uncontrolled and uncontrollable, and they would be blamed for anything that went wrong.
I’m wary of any argument that begins “any sane government would…” not because I disagree with the conclusion, but rather with the implied premise that this or any government will do a rational thing under pressure.
From the outside, it seems they are doing hugely irrational things. Within their bunker, each decision makes sense to them. This difference in perspective makes it extra hard for us to guess what they will do next or why they have done things so far. Their tendency to be secretive and to lie about their actual decisions gets in the way also, of course.
Your chilling “corral” hypothesis might well be right. My guess is it’s something simpler – a denial mechanism, analogous to when a child breaks a plate and naively puts the pieces back where they were to make everything OK again.
Thanks aigeezer for your considered response. Yes, we will see. So far, it’s all turned out far worse than I’d imagined at the time, and the “far worse” seems to be continuing.
I’d gone along with the Keystone Cops hypothesis until now. I too prefer cockup to conspiracy. And you are right that the behaviours we’ve seen are typical of folks at that level faced with hugely embarrassing SHTF events.
Lots of kids a bit older than me were evacuated from their families and about to be bombed homes in London in the [previous/last] world war because the GB Gov decided it was a good idea. Some of them had happy stories [...] but they did survive. I would say that this was a rational strategy.
I also occasionally look back over my shoulder at the think tanks of “highly qualified intellectuals” who are paid gold bricks to sit in a room and dream up the unthinkable. Just this is what might be bothering me.
Hi admin. My report is about the post at 8:26 that you have already edited (thank you!). I’m not able to report on it again, but I wanted to mention something in case you had not noticed, namely that the link remaining under “Read the koran” does not point to an online version of the Koran. Rather it points to a hate/spin site that “interprets”‘ the Koran.
mock oirish charm from fatboy sell out here.
the scots and the irish are wonderful truth tellers advertisers love using them for the idea that they are some how more honest than the next man.
the bbc long time ago lost any semblance of truth or independent journalism,it is not much different from outfits that where run by Joseph Goebbels.
fat boy hear like pass the port and stilton mombiot and jim i can fix it khalili are part of the
chatham house hired team.
controlled by one of the scarier rothschilds,who has money in ge,toshiba,westinghouse.
clever really you control the uranium mines,you sell it to your factories,you sell the deplete uranium waste to your missile company.
the mock the week fat boy guy is just a comedy version of newt gingivitusvich available to the highest bidder.
the sick thing is they all have kids..
the excuse they will give when it starts getting medieval in japan is ohhh we did not know the japanese government where hiding everything,hiding the truth.
The Japanese knew how to live without power or toys for two hundred years prior to 1868. Japan was an autarky, completely self-sufficient, without the icons of modernity that demand human sacrifice like ancient demons.
Look, I worked at a N power plant for about 12 weeks during a shutdown for repairs. My stint at Rancho Seco, in the 80′s, has made me ill. It did take many years for this to manifest itself into internal extra normal cell growth. Tumors everywhere, now Positive FDG uptake in the thyroid and lung. In the past have had tumors of the pancreas, liver, kidney and R lung all removed by vairous surgical procedures. Surely wouldn’t have been this exposure to a now defunct nuclear power plant. Probably was my diet or childhood exposure to second hand smoke. Maybe, just maybe it was my exposure to the US Army that caused my rapid cell dupications. Maybe that’s why cigs are still legal, a cover up…again.
How can we set people like this straight? How can we get it through their heads that this is not a ball game to be part of? Mr. BBC will have influenced many to ignore the events of 311 to their peril. There normally is two sides to every story, but in the case of Nuclear power, it’s a one way street straight to hell.
Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!
Thanks StillJill, Yes still here and will be for my duration. Some how these lies have to stop…knowing they won’t stop is what keeps us going. This pain prevents me from sleeping regularly so my time here is effected. Enenews has been an eye opener for me as I’m sure it has for others. Each other along with our Information is all we have.
Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!
Then I shall think of you when I’m similarly disposed my friend.
I am a full-blown insomniac,…and I have urgent vomiting in the middle of every night,…whether I sleep or not.
There is much to pray about,…and many to hold up in prayer.
You are right,….as long as the lies continue,…’we’ will!
People in the Western World, need to reexamine the “way” they view Japan and that includes not only how that Country is governed but what actual “say” the Japanese people have in their Governments process!
It has taken almost a year to realize that Japan is actually being “run” by its Powerful Utility Companies and this “business” relationship extends in a “Control Continuum” that extends at one end, from actual Utility direct financial support of the highest Government Leaders in the Country, to the widely known use of organized gangs to keep citizens in line at the other!
The idea that individual Japanese people actually have a say in how they are governed, much less the way their Energy is generated, is just a well publicized fantasy that the Utilities uses to put a nuclear “smily face” on the grim reality that ever facet of Japanese life is less important than what is good for these Utilities! These Powerful Utilities ARE Japan, and the Japanese people are only “forced” customers of these Utilities since they have no other choice of providers when it come to basic needs like electricity, at lest until now! Solar panels have allowed many to get the electricity they need and this is a huge threat to these Utilities, that must be “crushed” ASAP if they are to maintain their complete control over the Japanese people!
Interesting. I’ve come to be aware that the utilities/nuke industry have an inordinate say over the course of our lives. Now w/Vermont (A WHOLE F’ING STATE!) being told by the courts that they have no control over Vermont Yankee, and they cannot hold Entergy to its contract re: the end date of operation (March 21, 2012), who is actually in control of Vermont? Are we all simply wage slaves held captive to the energy companies?
Ever since 3/11, the rest of the World’s attention has been focused on the Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster at Fukushima and Japan’s response to their triple melt down. What we have learned is that the Government has allowed TEPCO to not only remain in Control of this debacle but they have actually enabled the Utility to place huge numbers of Japanese citizens at risk rather than demand that the Utility think first of human health instead of Corp. shareholder profits. The fact that radioactive pollution has now spread Globally and is affecting the rest of the Planet is hardly mentioned in MSM which points to an even greater problem for the rest of mankind; we are helpless and as yet unable to demand any “better” treatment from Japan because our own Leaders are for the most part are in full support of the those Utility backed Leaders in Japan.
Kudos to Germany and many other Countries for pointing the finger at Nuclear Power and the Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster RISK every nuclear complex now represents! People globally now are becoming informed and starting to demand answers to basic questions and once people start asking questions perhaps change will occur, even if not for the Japanese themselves… one thing is for certain, the Japanese people will be affected by their Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster for much longer than the estimated 40 to 100 years that it will take to “tidy up” after Fukushima…
If money is the problem, not nuclear reactors, then we should get rid of money first, nuclear power will follow. The Carrington Event should be of concern, but the financial ability to continue our charad may be our demise. Any colapse of this financial system would be doom and gloom for all of the NUCLEAR plants. How do we feed the reactors when we can’t feed ourselves. Oh wait, now we know what’s important…it’s not us!
Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!
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