Published: December 5th, 2011 at 10:39 pm ET
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Kevin Kamps on The Fukushima China Syndrome, Thom Hartmann Program, Dec. 5, 2011:
Thom Hartmann talks with Kevin Kamps, Beyond Nuclear: www.beyondnuclear.org about concerns of a major environmental catastrophe at Japan’s damaged nuclear power reactor.
At 3:30 in
The architect of Unit 3 at Fukushima Daiichi — a former President of Saga University, so impeccable academic credentials — has said it is just a matter of time before the molten core at least in Unit 1, if not also Units 2 and 3, does reach groundwater.
And then if it just hits it right and if theres enough water and enough molten core you’re going to have a pretty powerful steam explosion
so yet more catastrophic radiaoctivity releases in a great big hurry.
Published: December 5th, 2011 at 10:39 pm ET
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oooh neato…. a bedtime story
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yeah now im gonna have dreams of explosions at fuku. great.
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More notes from interview:
—–> Unit 1 melt-through – only 1.5 feet of concrete left before the final layer of steel and then on to penetration of the earth which is the definition of the China Syndrome.
—–> Chronic flow into the ocean – even water decontamination system has leaked tens of tons of radioactively water into the ocean.
—–> With Chernobyl, they brought in hundreds of miners from Siberia and drilled a tunnel under the reactor building and poured liquid nitrogen to freeze the ground and ground water to prevent the molten core from going deeper.
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i think there is something wrong in the reporting of the fukushima desaster..
imagine an about 150 tons (the core plus all the concrete and steel around it),about 3500-4000° c upheated thing that it was after explosion of the rpv in march…
no known material can stand this withour melting.and now we have nearly 8 months later…
something isn’t right in the reporting.
such a melted core needs NO 8 MONTHS to melt through all barricades and then into the earth.
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fredlvie,
I’ve been thinking that for months. Something definitely doesn’t add up.
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I totally agree fredlvie! Melt-through of a reactor vessel may take from few tens of minutes to several hours. During the interaction between corium and concrete, very high temperatures can be achieved. The decomposition temperature of concrete is about 1100 °C. The corium can reach temps of 2800 °C (some scientists and researchers suggest the possibility of much higher temps 4000+). At this temp decomposition of concrete can reach 1m an hour. The possibility of total melt through in hours and days, not weeks or months seems likely!
My theory is that the first explosions and fires were caused from the coriums hitting ground water in the following hours and days after the quake. Could this be possible? What do you guys think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)
My reason for investigating this was the lack of foreign or Japanese assets to stop it from getting worse! I am totally convinced the worst happened almost straight away and there was no way to stop it once coriums left the buildings? How many times has it been reported about contaminated sewage? Rivers have been reported to be extremely contaminated! This is why TEPCO can dump contaminated water into the sea. Outside the plant when close to the sea they have reported extreme counter readings. The nuclear industry has been telling us for years that China syndrome could never happen…”its impossible with western designed reactors”.
Time to wake up my friends,these people need to be held responsible! Peace.
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Solid masses of concrete may take a while to burn through, the steel I feel will melt like butter, and the earth soil below as it burn through will be fast as it’s pure weight and heat will allow an easy speedy descent !
Perhaps it won’t be long now, Jack is about to spring from the box !
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At work the other day they were cutting lumps of steel (about 150mm x 150mm x 100mm) with an oxy torch. It was in concrete and I was really surprised at how long it took to start melting the steel. What I found more surprising was the fact that once it started melting it just started flowing really fast! It also left hollows in the concrete where the steel flowed. This observation was the defining moment in my belief that the worst case scenario was almost instant with no time to react. I am not saying its all over and its getting better, I’m saying worst has happened and contamination will only get worse
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Yes the Fat Lady may be taken in a breath for that first note !
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Can I have some green glowing marshmallows with that?
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In the long term, maybe a little good could come of a steam explosion (assuming we survive). What better event to convince those who are still pushing for more reactors, and continued operation of aged existing reactors?
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I never heard the Russian miners and nitrogen story anywhere about Chernobyl, incredible that Russia took more steps than Japan has to prevent a worse catastrophic release. I’m feeling a strong urge to flee the west coast to maybe Brazil?
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Southern Brazil has 2 reactors and a third on the way.They have been constructed on the most beautiful seaside area. The first reactor was constructed over a period of 10 years and from various companies the second is more recent but they have many unscheduled events!
The recently elected Dilma has promised to close them and there is an active green party trying to close them as well.
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I’ve been by there, they are at Anrga Dos Reis. Which in the native Tupi Guarani language translates to something like “shifting sands.”
Haha. The absurdity of the nuclear industry. It would be a slapstick comedy if it wasn’t so deadly.
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And the US is busy considering if it should attack Iran?! Honestly – does US want to selfdistruct itself? When Fukushima explodes – they are telling us this now in the 12th hour – a lot of people will die. Nuclear industry – supercorupt is the enemy now.
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december 7th, 2011 – original Mayan prophecy
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Link please TWIB?
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How about this? Not the same link, but just coming up to Dec 24, 2011:
Mayan Calendar Predicts Comet Elenin in 2011 NOT 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOClpkKtZk8
“DOPPLER ITNOJC STORM WATCH 2ND SUN / BDS / NIBIRU – Exact Elenin Arrival Details Below
MIRRORED: http://youtu.be/ybeRvDakIik
According to two documentaries, “In Search of” and “In Search of Ancient Astronauts,” filmed in the 70′s, one hosted by Lenard Nimoy and the other hosted by Rod Sterling, both say the Mayan calendar ends on December 24, 2011 and not December 21, 2012. We do know that Planet X was discovered in 1984 and then later covered up by NASA.
PLANET X / BROWN DWARF STAR / 2ND SUN / RED KACHINA / RED PURIFIER / TYCHE / HERCOLUBUS / WORMWOOD / NEMESIS / DESTROYER / MARDUK / DARK STAR / NIBIRU – is estimated to be 4 times the size of Jupiter, or 44 Earth’s wide, or the size of 5200 Earths on an orbit around our Sun. This massive object is following close behind Comet Elenin and is expected to show up shortly afterwards possibly in 2012.
Two suns’ spotted in China defy explanation – 2nd Sun following Comet Elenin
http://youtu.be/a8fWUPlqwlQ
CNN Slowly Leaks Out Brown Dwarf Star 2nd Sun in Our Solar System Lies About Distance Much Closer
http://youtu.be/V2XAkNUrVzM
NASA Discovers New Planet In Our Solar System -Nibiru (Hercolubus) Tyche 2-15-11
http://youtu.be/BJXVlc-XMso
Lies to Prepare U 2nd Sun in Sky Not Comet Elenin or Brown Dwarf Star in our Solar System
http://youtu.be/TOeCPeqFbmI
COMET ELENIN (BLUE KACHINA) – considered to be the Harbinger of what’s to come. Elenin is currently estimated to be 120,000 miles in diameter, or 15 Earths wide, or approx the size of 30 Earths. As Elenin passes the Earth, it is expected to get even bigger possibly expanding to the size of our Sun and has a debris tail over 5 million miles long, which is expected to hit Earth in the beginning of November 2011. http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb…
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An astronomical unit (abbreviated as AU, au or a.u.) is a unit of length equal to about 149,597,870.7 kilometers[1] (92,955,807.27 miles) or approximately the mean Earth–Sun distance.
Approx February 27, 2010 – Earth, Sun and Elenin are in alignment. Elenin is 6.042 AU from Earth and 7.032 From the Sun. 8.8 earthquake hit Chili on February 27, 2010.
Approx August 10. 2010 – Elenin crosses over Jupiter’s orbit under ecliptic. Elenin is 6.437 AU from Earth and 5.5 AU from the Sun.
Approx. September 6, 2010 – Earth, Sun, and Elenin are in alignment. Elenin is 6.237 AU from Earth and 5.229 from the Sun. 7.1 earthquake hit Christchurch, New Zeland on September 4, 2010.
Approx. March 16, 2011 – Sun, Earth and Elenin are in alignment under the ecliptic. Elenin is 2.088 from Earth and 3.082 from the Sun. 8.8 earthquake hit Japan on March 11, 2011.
Approx. September 11, 2011 – Elenin passes over the ecliptic and is CLOSET TO THE SUN. Elenin is .708 AU from Earth and .482 AU (72,106,173.68 kilometers / 44,804,699.10 miles) from the Sun (.708+.482=1.19).
Approx. September 25, 26, 27, 2011 – The Sun, Elenin and the Earth are in alignment above the ecliptic. There is talk of a possible eclipse (with Elenin or debris tail) that could cause 3 days of darkness. Elenin is .396 AU from Earth and .607 From the Sun.
Approx. October 16, 17, 18, 2011 – Elenin crosses over Earth’s orbit above the ecliptic. Elenin is the CLOSEST TO EARTH. Elenin is .232 AU (34,706,706.00 kilometers / 21,565,747.29 miles) from Earth and .956 AU from the Sun.
Approx. November 6, 2011 – Earth crosses Elenin’s Orbit and smacks into Elenin’s debris tail. Elenin, Earth, Mercury and Venus are in alignment. Elenin is .359 AU from Earth and 1.301 AU from the Sun.
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“Approx. November 6, 2011 – Earth crosses Elenin’s Orbit and smacks into Elenin’s debris tail. Elenin, Earth, Mercury and Venus are in alignment. Elenin is .359 AU from Earth and 1.301 AU from the Sun.
Approx. November 26, 2011 – Sun, Earth, and Elenin are in alignment above the eclptic. Elenin is .646 AU from Earth and 1.63 AU from the Sun. However, from approx. November 7 to December 7, 2011, Elenin moves with the Earth keeping the Sun, Earth and Elenin in almost perfect alignment the entire time. Also, in the beginning of December 2011, Mercury also joins the alignment.”
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Here’s a lot of literature documetation:
End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something?
http://www.cogwriter.com/end-mayan-calendar-2012.htm
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“it’s just a matter of time” too bad they didn’t put 600,000 liquidators to work on it maybe we wouldn’t be looking at the beginning of THE END.
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I said it months ago. western culture is not capable of handling this situation. too much greed and corruption stands in the way of making decisions. remember in the begging tepco seemed more concerned with salvaging the reactors than flooding them with sea water to avert a melt down.
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Howdy hey!
“And then if it just hits it right and if theres enough water and enough molten core you’re going to have a pretty powerful steam explosion so yet more catastrophic radiaoctivity releases in a great big hurry.”
So, what we have been saying here since how long?
All we can do is watch this closely. There on the ground they will know when it is getting close. Unfortunately, we all will not know until it pop-goes-the-weasel and spews out in a maybe not as violent way as the large hydrogen explosion, but it will put out lots and lots of greater than it is already amounts of radioactive poisonous contamination that WILL hit the jet stream.
We all must remain vigilant and watch this closely. Please check in with your weather and counter readings on the permanent Radiation Monitoring thread.
When it does react or goes off, we will then have to all get together and do the team-enenews analyzations to guesstimate when it will hit us using the models we have developed around how many days it takes to get here, and where it is in the jet stream at the time it waves over our locations planet wide. Check out how our Good Sister ichicax4 here is applying the team-enenews science.:
We will all have to duck and hide WHEN it does that and what is not being discussed is, IF this does start a phreatic expulsion of “steam” that is radioactive and does not stop, are YOU prepared to retreat and take cover for an undetermined amount of time?
Please then, keep preparing for the worst, and hope and pray for the best. Live in the fullness of every day wrapped in self-created quality time. As is being more and more confirmed, this will pop off eventually. The horror is in realizing it could be times three or more?
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Some of enenew=ers living on the West Coast can feel radiation. We should use the radiation monitoring thread to post when we feel very high radiation.I am in Toronto -I can only tell when it gets here.There were a few times when radiation exceeded my tolerance level.Those of us who can should go on a long vacation to Africa or South America. Not going to be pleasant…
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I thought maybe we had reached that point this weekend with all the strange lights and steam/smoke at the plant.
I don’t think that major steam releases necessarily will entail an explosion, although they certainly could.
However, after this weekend’s horrors, now all looks relatively serene, excepting some radiation distortion on the cam
On and off again criticalities and endless radioactive steam releases surrounding those events may be even worse in the long run…
Phoenix hit 850 beta last week. Scary. The EPA warns emergency responders that 300 is the level at which they should take precautions.
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Hi majia
That 300 level sounds high to me, was it always that high, or do they keep raising it, to fit their needs?
I agree, 850 is scary. I honestly think something was going on with Palo Verde Nuclear Plant (just a guess).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station
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It means that a lot of people will be having complications with the health !
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Our 850 spike was echoed in many other places in the country, some far from AZ
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Hi James Tekton
Thank you for posting this in here, don’t know how you did that?
ichicax4, a great job in tracking the radiation, I hope you keep doing this..Thank You)))
Even though this is a horrible situation. It’s nice that those who are knowledgeable about this, are letting others know.
Thank You))))
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Thanks JT, that is a wonderful video for explanation:
JET STREAM FALLOUT CHANGE 12.4.-12.8.2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xneCwJhzpgg#!
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Included at the bottom of this video:
Update to fallout forecast from Fukushima fire and/or possible criticality events on 12.01-12.04.2011.
Criticality events appear to be ongoing but to a lesser degree than what was visualized on camera previous 3 days…
To reiterate: all fallout is bad. It is impossible to know where highest levels will occur. Especially with such poor maintainence and quality control at EPA. If you have jet stream plus rain overlay full mitigation is recommended until further information becomes available.
EPA graphs of Fukushima radiation fallout levels (althouh be advised many are “offline” and appear to be reading lower due to faulty calibration techniques): http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nuclear…
Jet stream forecasts here:
http://virga.sfsu.edu/scripts/namjetstream_model_fcst.html
NOAA 5 day forecast:
http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p120i00.gif
Current radar on intellicast:
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true
Enenews “Post your radiation monitoring data here”:
http://enenews.com/post-radiation-monitoring-data
TBS LIVECAM:
http://news.tbs.co.jp/newsi_sp/youtube_live/
See archived civil defense fallout research at these links:
http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/
http://www.archive.org/details/AboutFal1963
http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/edu/docs/HistoricalInterest/Office%20of%20Civ…
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just got in that fukushima has exceeded the xenon 133 output!! interesting cut? seemed a bit rude? not allowed to detail isotopes then…
things that make you go hmmmmm???????
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Does anyone remember the Russians fearing the exact same thing? molten core hitting ground water? I have to hand it to the Russian Government and all the men who gave their lives to dig a tunnel and install a cooling system to prevent this. AND THAT WAS ONLY 1 REACTOR!!!!!!!! MY GOD PEOPLE THIS IS CATASTROPHIC, to Japan and the rest of the world.
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_update_read&edis_id=ED-20111205-33278-JPN&uid=11876
“More environmental damage has likely occurred at Japan’s stricken nuclear reactor after more than 45 tons of highly radioactive water leaked from the Fukushima Daiichi atomic power station this weekend, with some of the water possibly reaching the nearby Pacific Ocean, the utility that operates the plants says. The leak counteracts assurances that Tokyo Electric Power Co. (Tepco) has largely controlled damage at the coastal plant…
workers discovered Sunday morning that radioactive water was pooling in a runoff container near one of those purification devices. The system was shut down and the leak apparently ceased, but workers later found highly radioactive water leaking from cracks in the container’s concrete wall into a gutter that leads to the ocean.
Employees stemmed the leak with sandbags.”
Aiy, gods below…sigh.
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Come on this HAS to be deliberate, “oh we just didn’t notice 45 tons of highly radioactive water going conveniently in to the ocean” bullshit!
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Deliberate and/or hopeless, seems to me, if all they got to stem the leak is sandbags.
Besides, it’s “in the sea, far away from any residents”. No problem.
Gyyaaaahhh.
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Sigh…
Well this is one guys solution. I guess it couldn’t hurt to ponder it:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/could-hemp-be-used-in-japan-s-nuclear-clean-up
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Overgrow the world….
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It does hurt, pondering it…any of it. :/
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I do understand. I guess I’m willing to try anything at this point. I’m trying to not mentally count down to the explosion.
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yes, taking a break from counting down to ponder ANY solution does give the brains maybe a tiny bit of relief. but, oh, my tiny brains!
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When those cores stop melting steel they will release other oxygen and hydrogen. That’s when we all know the situation could cause the largest nuclear explosion known to this planet. This type of explosion could easily be compared to a caldera volcano exploding except this time with molten core, heated sand and hydrogen. If you estimate that every core is 68tons this would be an explosion that would consume all the surrounding area and cause a chain event. A three phase explosion happening underground lifting the entire crust out of the ground surrounding all 6 reactors. The Russians feared it would happen and they were right to freeze the ground and mobilize an entire population to prevent the core from sinking with nitrogen. As for the good folks at TEPCO they are hiding in their makeshift town 300km from Tokyo. It won’t matter if this event occurs because the EMP alone will be large enough to shut down parts of China’s power grid. If you see that grid go down you know we’re in for a cloud of fun. We needed to spend these last 8 months digging a tunnel in the sand to catch that fuel. What they did was pour sea water on it and hope things got better with happy thoughts and smile nuclear ads. When the sand gets hot enough under the steel is going to be a fun time. Stay tuned and keep your Pipboy 2011 stored in a lead box to prevent EMP damage. Grampybone Denver CO Wishing you all a good night.
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Got any good suppliers of RADAWAY?
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Grampybone,
In that scenario a huge tidal wave would be produced traveling across the Pacific, how high ? What’s the size of the blast ? Never seen something so large, could be hundreds of feet high traveling 500 MPH, but something hasn’t been mentioned is that it could start a seres of earth quakes globularly causing untold anomalies across the globe, but perhaps more huge waves where edges of plates may break off in the shakes from the concussion of the blast !
We have never been here before and so many unknowns but don’t rule anything out because anything may happen, many of here were scored in the early days for possibility’s and known affect that we saw as unevitable and you know what ! … They have all happen and many worse then we even thought in some things !
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Just when they have trashed our earth, surprise a new Planet was found.
They just “might” have a place to go, and if so, we’re not invited.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2011/1206/New-planet-discovered-to-be-first-in-habitable-zone
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The biggest problem is….It would take a space shuttle about 22 million years to get there.
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WindorSolarPlease,
Mankind will trash it in less time then it took here even being 2 and a half times larger !
100 years to do in earth !
As we have noticed, man has learn nothing from Fuka !
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You are right on the money Grampybone. Sleep well hon. The elephant in the room is the tectonic plates. What happens when the fuel hits them en masse?
@Windorsolar lol hopefully that planet has a cure for several kind of cancers or they are going to have a miserable trip
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Hi thelili,
That’s the strange part, they don’t seem concerned about this. It would not surprise me if, they had a treatment for radiation fallout for themselves.
Do you ever feel like this earth and the public has been their guinea pigs?
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Hey there Windorsolar I absolutely believe that marijuana is the cure for cancer.Well I think it’s the cure for everything
I always have. But they probably have several different treatments/cures. I just wonder about this particular configuration of messy radioactive toxins in the MOX.
They just have to try to get off the planet before Japan goes up in flames.
Doctors and scientists unfortunately are widely known for human and animal testing. Nothing at all surprises me at this point.
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Hi thelili
I don’t even smoke regular cigarettes, my head is foggy enough without any help. It’s a miracle if I take one vitamin a day.
I better never get sick, I would be a horrible patient taking any type of medicine.
Even though I don’t use marijuana, I think it should be legalized like alcohol is.
What is out on the streets, is to strong, who knows what it could be laced with, or what has been sprayed on it.
I don’t know if marijuana is the cure for cancer, as it didn’t help a lady I knew online. I have heard it gets the cancer patient through the treatments.
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When the Corium is really still inside of the Containment there are a few (7 or 10) Meter
of this special Cement to penetrate!
This Containment is sitting on a massive Saddle!
(Check the Blueprint!)
Of course this is not a big hurdle for the Corium
with a average of 2.700 Celsius but i hope that
the Corium will get teared apart like a Vegetable-Root,
imho. the Hydro-Caesium Explosion would be smaller!?
But i don’t want to see this Reaction!
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I’m surprised, that it hasn’t reached the groundwater by now.
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I have to wonder why Tepco is finally releasing this info now. This must be closer than we think. Maybe already melted through. Makes me think this thing could blow at any time. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see…
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Digilert 100,
They can’t hide the scientific evidence any longer thanks to web sites as enenews, also when it dose blow, they want people to know what has happened people mostly in Japan will not think it is the end of the world, although for many it may well be !
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what is going on at fukushima see tepco live cam now
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FUKU FIRE!! Extreme bright light on CAM!!
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hey ENENEWS, second time in two days you’ve posted the same article under different headlines……
http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-tepco-admitting-very-close-china-syndrome-fukushima-melted-fuel-penetrates-earth-video#comment-164798
Back to this clown:
Kevin paraphrases somebody else. The architect has impeccable academic credentials, does Kevin? Kevin’s about me section has no information about his education.
Either way, the guy is wrong. Doesn’t know how the plants are built..his specialization is waste management. He should probably stick to his expertise.
Go here:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_111130_09-j.pdf
Go to page 23. The second image, you will see a schematic of RPV and primary containment. You will notice a heavy black line. This is the “steel barrier,” which is about to be penetrated. When it penetrates this steel barrier. It still has 7.6m of concrete to travel through. the base of the entire building/reactor. That is about 25 feet of concrete. Go to page page 35 for a better understanding.
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poisoning the well attack, good one j.g.
this clown warns of the spread of nuke death and that’s why nuke nutters like you follow him.
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At least it’s not as many times you have showed up jdotg. Although, I must say, you and your type are good thermometers of sorts too.
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