Radio: Mysterious disease killing seals in Atlantic Ocean — Fukushima fallout testing underway by gov’t scientists (AUDIO)

Published: September 1st, 2012 at 5:34 am ET


Title: Bird Flu Not Responsible For Alaska Ice Seal, Walrus Illness
Source: KNOM Alaska
Author: Laureli Kinneen
Date: August 1, 2012

Scientists say a type of bird flu – H3N8 – is responsible for the death of the more than 160 harbor seals on the East Coast [New England area, from Maine to Massachusetts]. Reports of sick seals began in September, which coincided with the reports of diseased seals in Alaska’s northern coasts. KNOM’s Laureli Kinneen reports there is no relation between the avian flu on the East Coast and the disease affecting iced seals and walrus in Alaska.

Transcript Excerpt

Kinneen: Based on hunter observation, it is a new disease syndrome that we are observing, because based on traditional knowledge, as well as communication from the hunters, they had never seen anything like this before.

The researchers have not ruled out the radiation released from the Fukushima nuclear accident as the cause […]

[Dr. Raphaela Stimmelmayr, a wildlife veterinarian and research biologist with the Department of Wildlife Management, has been one of the leading professionals trying learn more about what is happening to the seals] says they are now looking at whether the diseased seals carried cesium-134 and -137 […]

Cesium-134 is the signature radionuclide that was released during the Fukushima accident.

Stimmelmayr: […] I think one truly has to wait until we have the quantitative numbers […]

h/t Anonymous tip

Listen to the broadcast here

Published: September 1st, 2012 at 5:34 am ET


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83 comments to Radio: Mysterious disease killing seals in Atlantic Ocean — Fukushima fallout testing underway by gov’t scientists (AUDIO)

  • mungo mungo

    should have done this sooner methinks.

  • JustmeAlso

    Radio-active nuclides have the power to mutate bacteria and viruses.

    The ones who spread the safety myth to secure the nuke business know this..

  • Sol Man

    Should have never stopped the revolution to alternatives that had started when Jimmy Carter was President. It may be too late now as it seems that these events (GOM rupture/blowout, Fukushima, sinkhole, Union Carbide,etc) and mass death have begun to cascade. one thing is certain: that the corporate and political persons fingerprints are all over the makings of the 32 year genocide.

    • JustmeAlso

      We need to vote in leaders that are not eco/genocidal..


        @JustmeAlso: you must be new to this game if you think voting is the answer. And if you don't have the courage to do otherwise, don't expect someone else to take the bullet…

        • JustmeAlso

          I've been born in a screwed up system that i wear as shackles..
          It is hard to get rid of the shackles, but i try.

          I am willing to never vote again because i have lost my trust in a system that pollutes for profit and calls it good for jobs and economy.


            @JustmeAlso: the people we're up-against do not believe in peaceful change. That's not to say we shouldn't. We must also resist playing their game of consoling ourselves with the idea that voting is a solution and our only obligation. It's only small part of our social contract.

            At this point in human history, anyone who votes is lending credibility to a corrupted system. It's time for all to turn our backs on these political whores. Let them lie to the world and say they were acclaimed victors. We'll know the truth and so will they.

            As to what anyone of us chooses to bring-about change, is up to the individual. Just remember, they want us to use violence so they can justify their vile actions and objectives. (Good news is, they've become so successful in their 'art', they've ripped-out the foundation of their very existence. Simply put, their days are numbers.)

            Find what you're most comfortable in doing and share it with those who want change. If it takes the balance of your days, expend every effort towards that work. Be prepared for endless days of work. Other than knowing that you may have effected real change, expect no other reward. It took a century to get where we are; it'll take at least as much time (when you consider the damage done) to return to a balanced condition.

            This comes from a life-long voter who rarely missed a local or national one…

            • JustmeAlso

              Voting for something we have to believe in and rule us as called: democrazi is not the way to go!

              Sorry for being a little bit off the topic:
              ''Call it Democracy''

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Aftershock, please do me a favor and post a link to what you think the "social contract" entails. Am curious to know what you think it is. Seriously. Thanks, IMHOTaters.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                2 AFTERSHOCK, think understanding fully what the social contract actually IS from the point of view of TPTB is instructive for us all. Or maybe shoot me an e-mail at: or comment at Forum (non-nuclear issues). This is an interesting discussion I think is worth continuing.

                Important for all of us to be able to view events through the lens of "the big picture" in every way possible. No doubt how the leaders and TPTB are filtering events and the shaping of history.

                Thanks, IMHOTaters and curious but not yellow. (Ha Ha pun intended.)


                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  In context of social and political commentary, not Lena's other "experimentation." That is, her wanting to understand the big picture of her world (Sweden and the world at large), that is.

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  Yellow as in chicken or coward, that is.


                @HoTaters: simply enough request…


                I'd emphasize that a social contract is more of a personal obligation, than what's expected by an individual from the whole of society. It really is a "Ask not what your government can do for you…" but what we – as individuals – can do for ourselves and each other. The purveyors of organized crime were only too happy to see so many buy into the idea that government's obligated to do for them. This opened the door to paternalism and what's blossomed into excessive government intrusion into our lives.

                Love you Taters…

              • Maggie123

                Taters … re social contract. I agree it's a worthy discussion! I hope it's OK for me to springboard from your and Aftershock's discussion to introduce the topic on "off nuclear topics" here at ENE. (I assume it's OK, but want to acknowledge the inspiration to do so!) 🙂

            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              Hello Aftershock & the ENE Group~ While these latest revelations suggesting the possibility of Fukushima fallout and/or sea radiation could be connected to seal deaths as far from the release site as far away as New England is alarming by itself! What about the implications for everyone and the plants & animals in between & beyond?!! For the exact reasons cited and then some-I dislike the idea of participating in,thus lending credibility to either of the "two cheeks of the same ass" either(to borrow from other ENE contributors)and yet I also don't support the idea of using violence at "this" point either as it allows "them" to "villainize" the good cause and thoughtful people trying to save the world whose population doesn't seem to want saving?!! It's disillusioning to me that the d-bags "allowed" to be in the running for allegedly "fair" elections have not brought the mishandling of a potential,even likely ELE that "responsible" leadership and their shallow-minded "alternative" options that "corporate" America "bankrolled" into office(perhaps "existence"?) STILL don't put the most threatening issues to mankind on the agenda!!~So I haven't decided yet if I will waste any time going to the polls this time around either since this far into the post-3/11/11 timeline & no hint of an expedited focus on,and resources diverted to the threats we may already be too late to "fix"-what good can I do in a voting booth?!…(most)PEOPLE SUCK!! Happy Labor Day…

          • demo demo

            it is easy to vote and it's good to chat w/ neighbors while waiting in line. the powers that be would love for more people like us to stop voting. yes, some elections are stolen, but it can't hurt to vote. they want us to give up.


      @Sol Man: I agree. It's never too later for effective change. I'd also point to the link between foreign policy objectives and negligence of renewable energy technologies. All of our mistakes were encouraged, as they served the interest of a few. Now, all of humanity is to pay a horrible price. Few had the courage to speak truth to power…

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Good morning, SolMan. I completely agree re: U.S. energy policy under Jimmy Carter. The U.S. was for a time on the right road to energy self sufficiency and use of clean, green, energy.

      U.S. trade and energy policy in general does not favor startup industries. This is unfortunate. It's one area in trade and energy policy where I'd argue for some amount of market protection, vs. letting the "free market" do what it will.

      IMHO the "most favored nation" hypothesis (not a theory) is farcical under circumstances in the real world. Just because a particular country happens to have natural resources or "be good at producing something" doesn't mean that particular industry will flourish in the real world of international trade and market competition.

      Many other nations are seeking energy independence, which may be the undoing of the U.S., over time.

      EX: Solar Energy Ovens, pioneered in India in 1980's (due to lack of wood for fuel). Here's an interesting article from E-How:

      Fascinating area of study. Yes, implementing the renewable energy technologies and fostering their development is much needed everywhere. I've been "ranting" about this since 1979. Have always felt the U.S.' biggest economic mistake since that time was failing to support alternative energy technology. A failure of energy policy with huge consequences. It will likely cause the U.S. to become a second or third rate power in…

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        to SolMan (cont.)

        It is likely to make the U.S. a second or third rate power, over time. Huge consequences to the structure of the U.S. economy. Failure to support alternative energy and support through policy also a symptom of the general lack of support for innovation, creative industrial design, and new technologies in the U.S.

        All these things are what once made us great. Remember Thomas Alva Edison and Nicolai Tesla. Or Alexander Graham Bell. Tesla's discoveries, had they been implemented for peaceful use of technology, would have made use of nuclear energy a sick joke.

        But all of this is my very biased opinion ….

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          'support it through technology, that is (support renewables vis a vis government industry and trade policy) ….

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          One has to wonder if there's a point source of radiation pollution on the East Coast. Any word in the reports on where the seals and walruses are being found? What about currents and water flows? The Limerick nuke plant in Pennsylvania appears to have been leaking consistently for most of the past year. The CPM counts on Radiation Network rarely go below the low 50's for the area around Limerick. The counts sometimes bump up into the 70's when I check the site.

          Is looking to "the signature" of radioisotopes from Fukushima a tactic to confuse and deny? If those "signature" isotopes aren't found, will that give cause to deny a problem with radiation in U.S./int'l waters in the Atlantic?

          Have grown suspicious after reading so many reports making likely causes of radioactive contamination "plausibly deny-able." Or reading reports giving what some here have aptly termed reports with, "limited hangout."

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          " IRENA

          The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) is an intergovernmental organisation dedicated to renewable energy.

          In accordance with its Statute, IRENA's objective is to "promote the widespread and increased adoption and the sustainable use of all forms of renewable energy". This concerns all forms of energy produced from renewable sources in a sustainable manner and includes bioenergy, geothermal energy, hydropower, ocean, solar and wind energy.

          As of May 2012, the membership of IRENA comprised 158 States and the European Union (EU), out of which 94 States and the EU have ratified the Statute."

          TThere never has been good cause to poison people, animals, and plants, except as driven by greed, & lust for personal power.

          IMHO we must collectively wary of how the policies & law on "sustainable" technologies are implemented. I don't care to become part of a "smart grid" (i.e. stupid grid) & have my appliances "snitch" on me — so that some nosy government agency can use the info. to increase its bloated budget.

          Agencies could drum up cause for suspicion could use "renewables policy" & the stupid grid to make anyone & everyone a potential "suspect." Am 100% in support of renewables, but wary of "sustainable" concept & what TPTB's potential fishing expeditions, under guise of sustainability.

          Beware "sustainability" as cloaking…

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            … sustainability as a cloaking device for intrusive technology.

            When appliances spy: Privacy concerns over the smart grid
            July 4, 2010 | By David Perera

            Read more: When appliances spy: Privacy concerns over the smart grid – FierceGovernmentIT


            OK, will go to Forum with further comments. Apropos here because renewables always relevant to discussion on nuclear energy, and failure of existing U.S. and international energy policy. So we see dying seals and walruses, but need to look at the "bigger picture" to put all of this into context. Again, IMHO. Maybe I should be called "IMHOTaters."

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Coming from a person formerly brainwashed through institutionalized international business education (at university), now IMHOTaters.

  • bmurr bmurr

    Interestingly enough, I Saw more seals in long island sound this weekend than i have ever seen in the 30 years i have been boating and fishing the sound.

  • markww markww

    A couple months ago there was a report online that the EPA

  • markww markww

    That the EPA used a chemical and it killed birds to fish earlier this year could have been the government doing weird experiments too. There is a lab off the coast that Jesse Ventura showed that was making weird sea life and they were escaping and using chemicals too

    • bmurr bmurr

      There is plum island, which is an animal disease research lab, but i have not heard anything that would link it to seals dying. Its well known that the lobster population is suffering this year. The water in the sound is extremely hot, and i can say from experience that the fish population is suffering from parasites pretty bad this year, but i attribute that to heat, not radiation or secret government lab tests.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Plum Island is slated to be closed down and replaced by a more secure facility not subject to being swamped by high tides during hurricanes, etc. For anyone wanting to know more, LAB 257 is a must-read. High on IMHOTater's recommended reading list. Fits right into the whole nuclear discussion rather nicely.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          There is speculation that Lyme disease was lab created..I may be mistaken but I think it was supposedly from Plum Island.

          New tick-borne virus puts the bite on Missouri farmers

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            2 Heart: have chronic Lyme, known among many in the Lyme community, & ILADS (Int'l Lyme and Associated Diseases Society) as a poss. A good read re: the dirty trail of money in medicine is history of Lyme disease & the Infectious Disease Society of America or "IDSA" (esp. legal action against the IDSA).

            Follow the dirty money. People are dying like flies from Lyme disease & tick-borne co-infections, & TPTB are almost mum on the issue. ~ 2 1/2 or 3 million unsuspecting U.S. citizens infected w. 90% to 95% of those undiagnosed or underdiagnosed. The IDSA Lyme Guidelines Panel and its testing, treatment, and diagnosis guidelines much to blame for > 30yrs.

            Wondering how much poisoning from radiation in U.S. ^& worldwide is resp. for collapse of immune systems of many, many millions worldwide. Lyme didn't used to be the killer it is today. Nor was cancer. Having vast numbers of people with autoimmune disorders (HIV, Lyme, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Gulf War Syndrome, CFIDS (chronic fatigue syndrome), Fibromyalgia and on and on) was just unheard of.

            + The role of GMO's? Chemical pesticides? Herbicides? The works of the petrochemical and industrial complex run amock?

            Am grateful for the relatively easy life technology has afforded me & my family. Can't help wondering how much better off the African who sleeps on his floor on robes, or the Eskimo on his polar bear rugs might be. Those with virtually nothing often seem far more happy, joyous.

            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              Speaking personally, I would give up all of the conveniences & lifestyle afforded by technology and choose to "rough it" like our ancestors did up to the turn of the last century if it meant all of the irresponsible,harmful crap that came along with it would also have never happened!! I can't imagine having the pleasure of a simple,but rugged life without being poisoned by companies who manufacture useful,convenient appliances & entertainment devices and WMD's such as G.E.'s TV's,appliances,etc. division-and their vile MK1 BWR,etc.-which are literally more efficient as weapons than they are at producing electricity! I miss my late-grandparents stories about "The Old Days"!! ~I'd do just fine without this computer as well!!lol….Happy Labor Day:)

            • Anthony Anthony

              I think those without the technologies might say those who did harmed all of our lives.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      2 markww, where?

  • or-well

    Even without Fuku, we've already done plenty.
    on the deepest Abyssal
    plain of our folly
    that led us to believe
    we could endlessly foul
    the Blue Planets' waters,
    to make of them deserts
    and not have to grieve
    or remorsefully howl
    as the biosphere totters.

    The wrecks of the freighters
    and tankers and cruisers,
    lost containers, driftnets,
    torpedoed war-losers,
    offshore sewage-dumpers,
    illegal bilge-pumpers,
    deepwater drillers
    and toxic-spillers,
    chemical run-off,
    dead-zones more than one of,
    great garbage gyres
    killing fish, mammals and birds,
    overfishing defenders,
    excess catch-haulers,
    massive fleets stripping
    maritime herds
    of the best reproducers
    and then bycatch wasting –
    indiscriminate sealife enders!
    PH and salinity changing,
    seacurrents shifting,
    radio-isotopes accumulating
    and under the waves
    one final insult:
    a threat to the life
    of land, air and sea
    with one purpose only –
    a killing assault –
    sleek hunter-killers,
    nuke submarines."

    I'm thinking Tipping Point.

    • NoNukes NoNukes


      The Tipping Point, yes, how do all us creatures survive the on-going release of Iodine-131, plus all the other deadly isotopes, in the open air, with no warning, no protection in the Northern Hemisphere, and now the Southern Hemisphere, too?

      • or-well

        NuNukes, given the many synergies possible between all environmental toxins, and various planetary life-support system degradations I suspect the answer is ALL us creatures DON'T survive.
        I think those who do will have shorter lifespans and less vitality during them. That's assuming some combo of things doesn't wipe us all out.
        Whatever survival scenario, I hope those left learn an essential lesson – to control that subset of our species driven to dominance, control and power, be they psychopaths or not.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      2 Or-well, you have outdone yourself. Methinks this would be doing the international community a service if it went viral. You are our Poet Laureate. Thank you.

      • or-well

        HoTaters, that's more than generous praise for my simple cataloguing.
        I quote from myself, from work too long to put here.
        Actually, it's nowhere yet, but it will be somewhere when it's done.
        I hope it will read more hopeful overall than that small extract.
        Thank you.

  • JustmeAlso

    How to avoid the tipping point?

  • Sol Man

    How can we avoid what may well be behind us?

    Uncle Maury, when I was a boy, took my brother and I out to the forest and told us several plants and berries that we could eat from nature and now I am very happy to have that information.
    I search for certain plants now. Either way we are here until we are not. Eat the Weeds!

    • JustmeAlso

      eating the weeds with a geiger-counter and plenty water…

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      2 SolMan,

      "No need to be mean. No matter where you go, there you are."


    • Maggie123

      Sol Man, I, also, eat weeds, have done so since childhood when daily any one of us kids might be handed a brown grocery bag and told to "go out and get greens for dinner". This was lambsquarter – later expanded to pokeweed, and by the 1970's included dandelions, and many more. I also have a veggie garden and am started on a wider variety of fruits on my few lots. I also have a "monumental weed problem" since I don't use toxic chemicals and the earth was torn up for foundation repair. Since soil is generally poor on my place I've begun to use the weeds to 'harvest' nutrients. I let them grow larger than neighbors would prefer then harvest them – piling them with light dirt covering to let them rot into the ground and improve soil. Water is scarce here so "natural composting" is slow, but it works. Over a 5 yr period locations I've piled weeds are much improved!

  • hbjon hbjon

    Death is incremental. The first stage is loss of piece of mind. Usually a physical pain of a lesser of greater extent will pull you away from that piece of mind. Chronic discomfort is the beginning of the end. Has anyone here ever had a hangover from drinking alcohol? Death can be caused by 1 of 4 things.1) Massive traumatic injury, 2)ingestion of toxin, 3)malnutrition/dehydration, or 4)radiation. Though death from radiation may also be considered a result of 2 or 1. All death and disease can be explained as a result of 1-4. The cell or colony of cells dies immediately or slowly in time. Remember canaries?

  • You in the States should look north to Canada. We have a three party system. I am a jaded voter but I always vote. I can see how pointless it is in the States with the two jokers you will have to choose. You guys need a third party. The seals are sick, mother nature is sick. It may or may not be caused by nuclear energy but for sure it is caused by man interfering with Mother Nature for short term gain at the expense of our childrens well being. The issues around nuclear are similar to the issues around big oil GMO foods etc etc. The theme is make money at the expense of mother nature and our children's future. What a bunch of selfish rotters.

    If you can't stomach voting at the polls, vote with your wallet. A bank, Van City, up here in Vancouver BC sold all its Enbridge stock as that company wants to build a pipeline across our province and has a poor track record for oil spills. We can vote with our money. Phone up consumer lines and ask questions and don't buy from corporations which make poor decisions. Don't support the globalists.

    Their system is flawed, so I recommend walking out the back door with the silverware………

    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Vote Green Party… there is no other option.

      The Green Party is the reason why Germany is moving away from nuclear power.

      Both the Democrats and Republicrats are in bed with coal, nuclear and oil.

      It is our choice. Vote GREEN or suffer and subject countless future generations to possible extinction, with the whole planet and all life on it as well.

    • Maggie123

      Unfortunately there are so many forces that work against a successful 3rd party that people in "swing states" will not vote 3rd party due to risk of "assisting" the worst of the 2 main parties. The electoral college system is one of the biggest barriers but not the only one. Unfortunately, swing state voters disagree which of the 2 is most dangerous! The election becomes an intense nail-biting experience – such that some reject voting as having any use at all. Need for massive revision of all electoral rules and traditions in the US is long overdue. Getting more Greens into local and state political systems seems a more sure way to bring Green perspectives into legislative action but it's a slow, slow, process.

  • scintillator

    While I and a few others decided to stop participating on the site a while back due as it tends to be particularly rude, I thought it could be useful stop back in and pass along a tidbit possibly related to the harp seal story.

    AlertsUSA and Threat Journal have been reporting for quite some time about the existence of a sizable nuclear reactor / radioactive waste dumping site in the Kara Sea above the Arctic circle.

    "Enormous quantities of decommissioned Russian nuclear reactors and radioactive waste were dumped into the Kara Sea in the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia over a course of decades, according to documents given to Norwegian officials by Russian authorities and published in Norwegian media."

    I wonder if this is anywhere near the seal migratory routes?

    Enjoy your holiday.

    Admin, please feel free to close this account.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      2 Scintillator, thank you. Best wishes, peace be unto you.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Kind of toasts the entire North Atlantic, doesn't it?

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          So where are the "hidden" nuke dumps in the Southern Hemisphere, or was it the plan all along to "bug out" to the Southern Hemisphere when things got too hot up North?

          • Maggie123

            You raise an interesting question … rumors have it … Too much for my brain to tackle along with everything else but it's sometimes a 'back of mind' thought. I've chosen to leave it at that level (back of mind).

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Nuclear waste on land and sea:

          Map (land based):

          Greenpeace, article re: leakage of nuclear waste into South Pacific ocean:

          Australian Peace Committee:


          The Federal Government wants to put a nuclear waste dump in South Australia …. To compile all the low level waste stored in fifty locations around the country into one under-ground store and … so they can … store higher level waste that comes from the Lucas Heights Nuclear Reactor in Sydney."

          "No Nuclear Waste Dump for South Australia — Frequently Asked Questions …."

          Article with footnotes, citations, list of worldwide nuclear waste storage accidents (seas).

          "NUCLEAR SUBMARINE ACCIDENTS AND DUMP SITES …. (p.99); The influence of radioactivity from dumped nuclear waste has not had a significant impact on …. 2/3 of the activity was deposited …."

          Dimona in Israel:

          "Dimona’s Buried Nuclear Waste Spreads Cancer and Sterility in Southern Hebron and Negev

          GAZA, July 6, 2004 (IPC + Agencies) – – Nearly 70 cancer cases and the sterile rate soared to 62% among males and females in the villages south of Hebron was mainly

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Now that breakfast, lunch, and dinner are ruined, how about this?

            "Parliamentarians and a Nuclear Weapon Free Southern Hemisphere and Adjacent Areas

            Briefing paper from the Aotearoa-New Zealand Section of the Parliamentary Network for Nuclear Disarmament"

            under the aegis of the Global Security Institute


            And this (global nuclear waste map):


            And now off to the Forum (nuclear issues) to post for posterity along with you other wonderful Enenewser's.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Tra-la, tra-la, Tra-la-la-la-la-la, and other sounds of joy, etc. Eeew, I think I've had about all the ugly nuke news I can handle today. Time to go back and gather some joy from other sources (spiritual, the lovely home garden, "If anything is good, if anything is lovely … think on these things."

              Often have to disengage to maintain sanity in an insane world. Thinking too much about nuclear energy (for me) is sometimes like focusing my attention a black vortex leading to the pit of Hell. Or the thought/energy just keep going and emerge in China (sorry for the Chinese people, figuratively speaking).

              Or what is exactly opposite of Fukushima, if a line were to be drawn through the center of the earth, to emerge at the "exact opposite" point?

              The more I know about nuclear energy, the more I think "Saikado Hantai" (with the name of one's own place in the "Saikado" part) is an appropriate, heartfelt cry for every sentient being on earth.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Tired. Trying again:

                … the thought/energy just keep(s) going and emerge(s) in China (sorry for the Chinese people, figuratively speaking).

  • Jebus Jebus

    This is our environmental protection? Are you kidding me?
    WTF? They have been looking at this since December!

    Reuters: Radiation tests underway on dead and diseased seals in Alaska — Suffering bleeding lesions, hair loss (PHOTO)

    From Thread Topic above:

    The researchers have not ruled out the radiation released from the Fukushima nuclear accident as the cause […]

    [Dr. Raphaela Stimmelmayr, a wildlife veterinarian and research biologist with the Department of Wildlife Management, has been one of the leading professionals trying learn more about what is happening to the seals] says they are now looking at whether the diseased seals carried cesium-134 and -137 […]

    Cesium-134 is the signature radionuclide that was released during the Fukushima accident.

    What? It takes that long?

    Stimmelmayr: […] I think one truly has to wait until we have the quantitative numbers […]

    You mean the adjusted to no immediate threat numbers?

    • Jebus Jebus

      From the earlier ENENEWS article:

      John Kelley, Professor Emeritus at the Institute of Marine Science at the University of Alaska Fairbanks

      “We recently received samples of seal tissue from diseased animals captured near St Lawrence Island with a request to examine the material for radioactivity”
      “There is concern expressed by some members of the local communities that there may be some relationship to the Fukushima nuclear reactor’s damage”
      “[Test results would not be available for] several weeks”

      What happened to this?

      The result always equals the sum of the parts, unless you look for the result first…

  • lam335 lam335

    These tets always say they are looking at radiation levels in the animals, and then they come back and say we found no significantly elevated radioactivity in them.

    But, at least in human beings, cesium doesn't remain in the body that long: its biological half-life (as opposed to its radiological half-life) is something like 30 days, or at most a few months). But during that time the cesium can cause damage that will remain (and potentially worsen?) even long after the original dose of cesium has been excreted out of the body.

    I have no idea how long cesium remains in the bodies of seals, but the mere fact that high levels of cesium might not be month over a year and a half after the accident does not mean that the health effects that are observable today were not originally caused by a high dose of cesium, etc.

    To assume, if there's little cesium found in the seals today, that their current health problems could not possibly have been caused by a significant dose received months ago seems to be a very unscientific leap in logic.

    But we saw this leap made by the people who tested the seals in Alaska a few months ago.

    • lam335 lam335


      These [tests] …

      …but the mere fact that high levels of cesium might not be [found] over a year and a half after the accident does mean …

  • Sol Man

    JustMeAlso, Mostly organic here. Things in the garden never get dosed, except with that which none of us can control, the rads.
    Weeds are close to organic as long as they have never been sprayed.

    The billi-trillionaires caviar gets it, as well the champagne grapes, and the grains barley, wheat that go into the 18 year old Scotch and there is that yellow stuff growing on top of all the castles' roofs. We are all on the same boat.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..yellow stuff growing..on top of government buildings, military bases..and "Home Sweet Home".

  • Maggie123

    This won't be new to ENE but – Regardless of specific and "narrow" study to find cause of what's killing these seals – the oceans are one giant ecosystem. Every water condition "here" eventually influences water condition "there". Connections might be subtle and built across long distances of space and time, but they are 'at work'.


    Most discussion of ocean acidification focuses on corals and other calcium-rich, calcium-dependent sea life. But acidification is the condition of water in which oceanic creatures live – all of them, everywhere. For ocean based plants and animals, deteriorating water conditions is exactly like land-based plants/animals struggling in toxified air/land/fresh water conditions. And as we know – land and sea dynamics form a perpetual feed-back loop. A closed system.

    • or-well

      Lifeboat Earth!
      Who's rocking the boat?
      Or throwing overboard those who can't float?
      Or hoarding up rations and potable water?
      Who won't take turns rowing?
      Who are lambs for the slaughter?
      Indeedy let's vote and each do our part!
      I'd say there's a few
      need be thrown to the sharks!
      Nice ones, who'll push them, safe to a shore –
      of a deserted island, where they'll live evermore!
      I just say that, trying to be kind,
      it's really not what I have in my mind.
      I don't like hull-holers
      who would be our jailers,
      those who won't help bailing
      are worse than damn whalers.
      We're all in this together
      but some need to know –
      those causing big problems
      will just have to go.
      If I'm babbling like a run-a-way brook
      it's just because a lot have been rooked
      and politicians for "leaders" we have mistook,
      forgetting to ask "Just who wrote this book?".

      • Maggie123

        "I'd say there's a few
        need be thrown to the sharks!
        Nice ones, who'll push them, safe to a shore –
        of a deserted island, where they'll live evermore!
        I just say that, trying to be kind,…"

        All the same – I believe if we want to operate under new paradigms, we can't use the old ones to get there … sharks pushing the "old paradigm" powers to haven on an isolated island shows shift to a new imagined paradigm and I'm – for one – glad you offered it! 🙂

  • Sickputer

    Dr. Raphaela Stimmelmayr…brave woman, but she is naive to think the government will legitimize as dangerous in any form or fashion the discovery of the nuclear "taboo" words in seal tissue. Especially on the East coast. Heresy!

    Hope she was vested…she can kiss her grits goodbye at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

  • Sickputer

    They still don't know what is happening to the deformed lambs in Europe:


    "How does it spread?

    It is thought to have been brought to Europe by biting insects such as midges."

    SP: Certainly seems they should be able to narrow it down better than a guess.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Scientist's and their employers got carried away and ruined the earth. Their mess-ups need to be reversed. They have much work to do.

  • alasanon

    I just have to point out that the scientists are very clear in distinguishing the illness and mortality of the seals on the East Coast and the ones on the West Coast. The East Coast seals tested positive for avian flu and they all had pneumonia. The West Coast seals did not have those viruses–there was no specific outbreak…. That's what is causing the researchers to consider the effects of Fukushima radiation. But, they do not attribute the death and finite illness of East Coast seals to radiation effects. FYI.

    Living on the East Coast, I am sure that there is an impact from the nuclear meltdowns, but these scientists are NOT blaming that connection when the east coast seals had another type of illness–a contagious infection with different symptoms!!

    Just wanted to clarify that, since the title may be confusing.. I really fear for the polar bears, seals, etc. that are showing mysterious symptoms on the N.W. coast… It's also weird that the locals say they have NEVER seen anything like this (much like Fukushima–breaking all records!). 🙁

    • alasanon

      …It's pretty creepy when local native Indians observe that they have NEVER seen anything like it. They are VERY in touch with the earth and their knowledge base of animal life is pre-Colonial America….
      I would listen to them.
      The fact remains that Oceans are all in serious danger due to pollution, overfishing, run-off, non-biodegadeable plastic dumps, rising temperatures, etc….

      • alasanon

        I just want to add that any little efforts you make DO help!! I live next to a river that used to be a dump and full of noxious sludge. The fish died off. The birds left. Now it's much, much cleaner after new laws, hard work, and several dedicated individuals who labored to restore the native species one by one. Amazing story of discipline. It worked. It was hard. You would not believe how hard people have worked on this.
        HAPPY LABOR DAY! 🙂
        (and I can confirm that the results are absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!)

    • Sickputer

      Thanks alas… I was on the go and misread the topic. I still think it is hard to buck the establishment.

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    I work on the coast of Rockport at a wonderful place on Tuna Wharf and one of the saddest sights I have ever seen came to my attention when one of the waitresses told me to look outside. One one of the paddle boats outside lay a baby seal. The Gloucester Aquarium was contacted about the seal's odd behavior. Within an hour we had a response that was unexpected."We know about the issue effecting seals and we cannot do anything about it." Essentially the agencies response was that the animal had an unknown and incurable illness and was unwilling to take any further action. This disturbed most of the waitresses and they continued to complain about how terrible it was that nothing could be done.

  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    The convenient liquidator custom has now been forced onto animals and sea life. The convenient evacuation policy has now created a land grab for waste, dirty bombs, dirty industry, dirty experiments, dirty nuke sacrifices and dirty failures with nasty aftermaths for ordinary people. What was convenient is turning into a horror, but not fast enough for the oppressor.