Radio: New levee around giant sinkhole to eventually collapse? — Official: “It’s kind of frightening we don’t have a handle on this thing” (AUDIO)

Published: February 19th, 2013 at 2:34 pm ET


Title: Spud talks w/Joe Harrison about the sinkhole
Source: WWL AM 870
Date: February 14, 2013

At 12:45 in

Host: You’re looking to build a levee around the hole to keep the chemicals that are seeping out from seeping into the marshes, causing fish kills and whatever other kind of disaster. But where do you determine to build the levee, the ring levee, because the hole is getting bigger and bigger? Will it not just eventually collapse the levee or is this just going to buy you time until you have to figure out what to do with this hole?

Louisiana State Representative Joe Harrison: This last thing you said is probably true. We were initially told that it was stable and they could move forward with this. That again is the unknown, its untested science that we’re dealing with and it’s kind of frightening we don’t have a handle on this thing yet, and we don’t know exactly what needs to be done.

See also: Official: Ring levee around sinkhole is to contain all of these chemicals that are coming out

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Published: February 19th, 2013 at 2:34 pm ET


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24 comments to Radio: New levee around giant sinkhole to eventually collapse? — Official: “It’s kind of frightening we don’t have a handle on this thing” (AUDIO)

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    How many times do I have to say this – ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS!!!!!!!!!!!
    How bout it Obama. Use that arm of your to sign some paperwork to get the Corps to Bayou Corne instead of swinging that 9 iron all the time. This is URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Navy Seabees can also be of assistance! Well, we are waiting??? TIC TOC TIC TOC!

    • sentinelle sentinelle

      timemachine, perhaps the p.t.b. have no intention to send in the troops. Does this country have a larger energy source?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    It's not going to work..and I won't want to be the guy driving the pylons.

  • pcjensen

    beginning to remind of the sci fi flick: The Langoliers

  • dosdos dosdos

    As I said previously, the added weight of the levees will just make the ground sink more quickly.

    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Surely the added weight will not help. I think there are many factors in play regarding settlement in the area.

      Did you look over the link I left a day or two ago about hydrocarbons lowering the bearing capacity of silty clay soil (CL)? Also if the "soil" is falling into the collapse zone from the aquifer, the land above will settle towards the sinkhole. This can cause not only apparent settlement, but it will tilt the soil layers above. This will lead to more slough in events as the soil exceeds the critical angle where it can support overburden. Add to that the lubricating effect of hydrocarbon saturation, vibration from human and geological activity and Kersplash!

      Still seeing the same Big Picture pattern. Slough in, decrease in bubbling in the stinkhole, increase in subterranean gas pressures in the area, shifting of debris in the throat of the beast (seismic activity) and then BURP! Rinse and repeat.

    • We Not They Finally

      That's interesting. And obviously nothing fixes this until they know what to fix. They don't seem to have a clue. Or maybe they just CANNOT fix it so it gets plastered with confusion and lies. (Sound familiar?)

  • Beyond Zero Point

    I know this is off topic but, I love that movie. every time it plays I have to watch it. Almost like Howard Hughes watching Ice Station Zebra 150 times before his death.

  • Beyond Zero Point


  • Thad

    Seems we all agree about the levee scheme being useless- maybe be different reasons but we do agree.
    There is still the missing 3 million cubic yards sediment material — unlocated void(s) that equals a 80 acre(100 football fields?) with an average depth of 20 feet.. Is the levee outside that sinkhole when it forms or will it be swallowed—

  • Thad

    Good info about the oil wet clay, saving grace for the Bayou Corne area is the clays above and below the aquifer are water wet and the amount oil coming up is not enough to oil wet- Oil enters aquifer rises to the water wet clay seal ceiling then migrates lateral to vent—

    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Get some surveys done then talk about how it isn't absorbing Hydrocarbons, including the lighter ones, which are being broken up in the aquifer and gathering in pockets below the confining layers.

      Otherwise you are just assu

      Notice no me in that?

      • Thad

        16 P
        Be an assu if you want to. Where do you live? How many wells have you drld in swamp/ coastal area of coastal Louisiana? I retired after +40 yrs in the oil field surely I learned something— a damn sight more than someone that has only seen the pictures-
        Explain the difference between organophilic and hydrofilic clays–then explain what it takes to convert a water wet hydroplilic clay so that it will become am organophilic clay that can be oil wet-
        Or for an easy experiment take bucket of water wet clay and try to mix in a qt of oil– if the oil displaces the water off the clay then you will be able to pour the displaced water off- if not the oil will pour off—

        • 16Penny 16Penny

          And all that expertise you claim to have and you didn't know that 1+3 does not equal 4 when you are talking about salt and water. Chemistry is tricky like that.

          This situation is nothing like pouring oil on a bucket of clay.

          The hydrocarbons are migrating up from below under pressure and include both gas and liquid phases. I posted the source of my information on hydrocarbon contamination causing a reduction in the bearing capacity of CL soil specifically. If you disagree with the author then you should publish a study that shows otherwise.

          If you know the difference between the two types of clay then spit it out. If you have some credible source that states water soaked clay is impervious to hydrocarbons being pumped up from below under pressure then produce the facts for a change. Then you can go around the B.C. community telling all the gas to stop seeping up because it isn't supposed to.

          Do you own a red Dodge? There's one in the parking lot with it's lights on.

          • Thad

            A very big point you are either missing or ignoring — clay has no pore spaces or permabllity – the hydrocarbons are not passing through the clay as it would a sand but through crack and fissure in the clay. The native clays were water wet when laid down during sedinentation. To oil wet the clays – first the water that is wetting the clay must be removed AND there is no way to remove the water in situ. Hydropholic- "water attracting" is the mormal state of clays. to be made organophilic- 'oil attracting' requires first removing the water from the clay then when a powder state coat the clay particles with a filming amine that attracts oil..
            The study you wave– does it explain how the clays were oil wetted–?

            • 16Penny 16Penny

              Why don't you go read it. Read it before you act like you know something about it. I didn't know, and if you read back where I posted it, you'll see I acknowledge that and state something to the effect of I should go look it up.

              That is what intelligent people do. Know what they know, research what they don't. First you have to guess, then test your guess. If your guess is wrong it is ok, you may have new knowledge to make a better guess from.

              You miss the big picture. You troll around here telling everyone they are wrong or full of it, being down right insulting without having a leg to stand on. You bring little to the table. I admit there have been two times where I said, you are right Thad. I can't count how many times you have been dead wrong without doing a few hours of research, not worth it to me.

              It is ok to disagree, even healthy sometimes. Look at how it is done sucessfully.

              • Thad

                Does it upset you that your base of knowledge is only research, books and and internet articles rather than the empirical knowledge from experience of having actually having done something.
                There is certain knowledge that come with working in an area and in a field related to the situation.
                If you had drld in the area you would know that the coastal swamp ground is water wet. Water wet clay as deeps as 5,000 ft. Why do research about sonething I was involved in for +40 yrs– and debating someone reading a book– that is a bit wasteful —

                You are confusing lab knowledge with real world applied knowledge.You refuse to accept basic truth and denie rather than try to prive different. Listen closely clays have no porosity and no permeablity that why it is such a good seal for aquifers. The oil and gas is passing through the clay seal via crack, fissure, decayed root tracks

                And as 'irhologram' noted the clay is really not that thick so the dicussion is academic–

                • 16Penny 16Penny

                  And yet it is leaking all around you Thad. How impermeable is it? Really gonna claim that? You assu to know what I have and haven't done? Missing from the list is 40 years of poking holes in the environment scavenging for energy, you are correct. But that doesn't change the reality of soil mechanics.

                • 16Penny 16Penny

                  Don't take my word, ask a professor of soil mechanics at the university. Need me to look one up for you?

  • We Not They Finally

    How DO you contain something which keeps increasing in size and you don't even know what caused it, much less how to stop it? At least this is SOME fixed geographical area. Fukushima is on its way to becoming anywhere.

    • krugthecaveman krugthecaveman

      Too late! Fukushima is several tons of aerosolized plutonium circling the earth several times a year. Already everywhere and IN most everything …….

  • irhologram

    Are we considering the fact the the clay layer is only 10 feet or less, has a psi of 15 before it blows, and underneath is sand? Why so much emphasis on clay? That's not where the migration is. The clay is only on the surface.