Radioactive release possible at California nuke plant: “We can’t make a black and white statement that absolutely none escaped” — Workers unable to enter to check if leaking

Published: February 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm ET


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Title: San Onofre shutdown: Small radioactive release possible
Source: The Orange County Register
Date: Feb. 1, 2012 at 2:50pm ET

San Onofre shutdown: Small radioactive release possible

After an unplanned, precautionary shutdown of a reactor at the San Onofre nuclear plant Tuesday, a plant spokesman said Wednesday that a possible leak in one of the reactor’s steam generator tubes could have resulted in a tiny release of radioactive material into the atmosphere.

“We can’t make a black and white statement that absolutely none escaped,” [Gil Alexander, spokesman for plant operator Southern California Edison] said. “The question is, can it be measured above background (levels)? We have been monitoring that, and the answer is no.” […]

It will likely be another day before the reactor cools sufficiently to allow workers inside to determine whether there is a leak, he said. […]

Read the report here

Not to compare, but officials have said the same thing before:



Published: February 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm ET


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37 comments to Radioactive release possible at California nuke plant: “We can’t make a black and white statement that absolutely none escaped” — Workers unable to enter to check if leaking

  • Kevin Kevin

    “We can’t make a black and white statement that absolutely none escaped,”

    Get oughta here, Really?

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      San Onofre has MOX too? They have a “recycling” program:

      “TheEEI-WestinghousePlutonium Recycle Demonstration Program was conducted to examine the use of MOX fuel in the San Onofre PWR, Unit I, during cycles 2 and 3.”

      just google “San Onofre Mox”

      Arto Lauri says that the unstable MOX caused massive build-up and venting at Fukushima long before the earthquake (see spikes on U.S. Radnet before 3/11), enenewser PattieB outlines how they had “plutonium only fuel” “recycling” weapon project on Webcam thread…sounds similar to the pdf about San Onofre “examining” the use of MOX.
      Arto Laurie:

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        The EEI-WestinghousePlutonium Recycle Demonstration Program was conducted during 1968-1974. (p. 15)

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Question: What fuel mix was in use at Fukushima and was that a factor in the accident? Does the United States use MOX fuel?
        July 25, 2011

        “…Which U.S. nuclear plants have previously or are currently involved in testing MOX fuel in their reactors?

        “In the United States, mixed oxide (MOX) fuel test assemblies were irradiated at a number of commercial nuclear energy facilities in the 1960s, 1970s and early 1980s. However, MOX commercialization in the United States effectively ended in 1977, with the suspension of federal support for commercial nuclear fuel reprocessing due to proliferation concerns. Active U.S. pursuit of MOX fuel use was revived following the 2000 signing of the Plutonium Management and Disposition Agreement by the United States and the Russian Federation, under which each country intends to irradiate at least 34 metric tons of excess weapons-grade plutonium as fuel in reactors. For its part, the United States is constructing the MOX Fuel Fabrication Facility at DOE’s Savannah River Site in South Carolina to produce more than 1,700 MOX fuel assemblies for domestic use in commercial pressurized water reactors. Supporting the DOE plutonium disposition mission, Duke Energy loaded four MOX lead test assemblies—manufactured in France from U.S.-origin weapons-grade plutonium—into Catawba Unit 1 in 2005. The lead test assemblies were discharged in 2008 after two 18-month cycles….”

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    This is the plant Outnow lives near. OMFG!

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Dear American friends. Please. Go protesting. Go public. Shut the damn thing down. Please let us know how we can help.

    • arclight arclight

      oh and buy yerselfs some gieger counters as the public monitoring seems too lapse for accuracy or be non existant!!

      how do they get away with that then??

      • Well, only the airlines have ‘black boxes’.

        The nuclear industry has these black boxes too, but that is where they hide all of the secrets, which they then bury in the middle of the out of control, radioactive, raging nuclear fire coming out of the bottom of the reactor, or alternatively, blowing out of the top of it.

        No evidence = no liability.

        No liability = no payments for deaths, illnesses or injuries caused.

        They get to keep all of the money, transfer all of the risk to the public (you and I) and then collect more from the government when they mess up, over and over again.

        Guess where the money gets extracted from, either way?

        • The nuclear industry will NEVER agree to black boxes that record all radiation releases around a plant and store it in a safe place in case the place melts down or blows up. This is old technology for the airlines, but it will never see the light of day in the nuclear industry, not if they can help it.

          They cannot make it available to the public either via computers or wireless connections or cellphones, because then their Pandoras Box of horrors would be visible to all… Nope, we can’t have that now… it has to remain hidden and secret, while killing and maiming people invisibly.

  • Can’t tell us in black and white?

    Well, how about telling us in COLOR then?

    No one wants black and white these days.. that is obsolete…

  • Auntie Nuke

    Define “tiny.” Bigger than a breadbox? Smaller than an atom?

    I live 80 miles away. Bug-out bag lives in the trunk of my car, tank full, escape route map in my glove compartment. Yes, this is how Three Mile Island started. I wonder if there’s the 21st century equivalent of a Dictaphone running unnoticed in the control room…

  • arclight arclight

    ” can it be measured above background (levels)? ”

    are we talking alpha, beta or gamma?? very vague statement!

    are they only using gieger counters? blimey!

    hope they have big mueller tubes!


    is this the 21 century or the 12 century??

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      12th again soon.

      • lam335 lam335

        Actually, we’re heading toward the 14th century–the age of the Black death. Only this time around, the fleas that will be spreading disease are Fukushima’s “fuel fleas” (along with all the other ones still drifting around from Chernobyl, etc.).

    • They are using the good old fashioned kind of radiation detectors.. straw.

      If it stands up, it is dry

      If it bends over, it is wet

      If it glows green, it is radioactive.

      Anything else might ‘quit working’, be ‘defective’ or offer ‘too high a reading’… We cannot have that now…

      Moral of the story? If you want to have radiation measured and you live anywhere close to a nuke plant, BUY A DIGITAL GEIGER COUNTER, the kind that plugs in and runs 24 hours a day, just like a smoke detector…

  • lam335 lam335

    Thanks for the TMI video. It really captures the lies and misleading rhetoric that these guys always use in accidents.

    When are enough people going to catch on so that they won’t be able to get away with this anymore?

    • lam335 lam335

      According to a documentary I saw this summer, the TMI plant operators would not announce a projection of the likely path of the plume because they were concerned that, if cancer/leukemia rates DID go up along that path, such a projection would be equivalent to an admission of guilt.

      • That’s just what happened. Worse, they and the NRC got together on estimated doses so that their estimations would be “on the books” as the only dose estimates future epidemiological researchers would ever legally be allowed to cite. IOW, even if they found increased cancers in a concentration that itself demonstrated that contamination was deposited along a plume path, that could never be a ‘finding’ of their studies or the TMI-guys could sue them and claim government backup.

        They drew a 50-mile radius circle around TMI and divvied up their most ridiculous release figure (15 curies iodine, nothing else except nobles) evenly among all the people in that circle. Including several million who were never meaningfully exposed.

        • What I heard is that they also reduced the dose for all of those people by throwing out the readings from the downwind meters that pegged out (defective) and averaged all of the rest out..

          This gave them a nice, even, LOW radiation reading. Then they made if OFFICIAL.

          This is what went to court. Any other evidence introduced by those with cancer, leukemia, etc.., was thrown out, because it was not OFFICIAL.

          • lam335 lam335

            The system MUST be changed so that they can never again get away with stuff like that. But HOW can that be accomplished?

  • Watching the video above…

    It sounds EXACTLY like the reports coming out of the nuclear plant that is blowing off steam, directly out of the reactor building..

    Not a nuclear accident

    Everything is ‘normal’

    All releases are within ‘limits’

    and on and on and on ad nauseum.

    If you ask for actual radiation readings or just a teeny factoid or two, they attack you for being an unpatriotic Commie sympathizer.

  • I think all of these people go to the same nuke PR school…

    They get a degree after they demonstrate:

    How to speak while giving out absolutely NO information

    How to speak to confuse people totally and absolutely

    How to speak in order to convey non facts

    How to speak in order to deny reality


    Most recent NRC report on Central-Eastern Seismic Characterization for Nuclear Facilities. You should grab these PDFs while they’re still available…

    Synopsis: This site is being furnished to provide you the Central and Eastern United States Seismic Source Characterization (CEUS SSC) for Nuclear Facilities report and its appendices. This website will be updated at the end of April 2012 to provide additional information including the databases used to develop the CEUS SSC model and all documentation required in the Senior Seismic Hazard Analysis Committee (SSHAC) Level 3 assessment process.

  • thanks for that link. scared to look, but here i go.

  • Mack Mack

    From the OC County Register article admin linked above:

    “In an unrelated incident, a contract worker fell into a pool of water inside San Onofre’s reactor 2 on Friday.”

  • NukaShima NukaShima

    They can’t tell because of all of the fallout from Fukushima already has the rad detectors off the chart

  • i do not need to be telling to you how many raisins short of a fruitcake is this news.

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    From the video, The Military should be in charge …NO NO NO Nooo.

    Those reactors are receiving Radiation data continuously from both inside & outside. Well then they need to be connected directly to the internet. Where everyone can see any increase seconds after it happens. I do not want any Nukes, but for now until they are closed we need real-time Data. No company, organization, government or spokesperson should be determining what we are told.

    I keep thinking that if people used the Occupy Facebook groups they could set up a time & place to protest & make specific demands. Mike Checks get attention & you could make clear demands. If it was posted in threads here & on the Meetings thread each of us could post that info on various Occupy Facebook pages. Generally you can only post on 3 or 4 pages per day. If some of us her did it we could spread the idea far & wide. Then other people could plan their own protests.

    Occupy is NOT about camping in a park. It is about any issue that concerns everyone. And you do not need to be an *Occupier to ask Occupiers to support you on an important issue.

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    *Mic Checks