Umm, the report on the Iodine-131 being found is in the Tokyo Shinbun newspaper, which is what you call “the MSM”, as are a whole lot of the sources for info posted up here on EneNews. (I see the Wall St. Journal and The Japan Times also sourced in today’s headlines.) I’ll gladly agree that there are media outlets that print/broadcast little that isn’t bullsh_t, but there are others which are good on the nuclear issue, and a whole lot which are a bit of both. Doesn’t serve any purpose to tar the whole lot with the same brush IMO.
I posted this question before, but noone answered – I’d really like to know the following:
Does the famous 8 day-half-life of Iodine-131 of mean that
a) at the 9th day it’s only half the “amount” of I-131, but it is still I-131 (which would explain the small levels detected now)
b) does I-131 decay into another substance at day 9 with no traces of I-131 left?
1/2 is gone at 8 days, then another 1/2 8 days after that….
For example if you had 24 “units”, at 8 days you’d have 12 “units”; at 16 days 6 “units” at 24 days 3 “units” etc. It’s generally accepted after about 10 half lives, iodine should be undetectable or extremely low level, but nonetheless, given that’s under three months, that means likely criticalities happening well after TEPCO declared things under control.
I-131 decays through beta/gamma emmissions into xenon-131.
If i remember right, the xenon decays to a non-radioactive form of potassium.
BUT, excess amounts of this potassium cause ALL SORTS of heart troubles.
Rapid heart beat, arythmia and other freightening stuff to experience.
Personally i use buggleweed for heart health. Lots of calcium chloride, a heart muscle nutrient and toner. Non-skinny people can try hawthorn berries.
The issue of uncontained continuing nuclear reactions is what is at stake here. The red pill reveals the rabbit hole very clearly at that time to those who have the secrete decoder ring (knowledge).
Spend some time on this, don’t rely on heresy, you need to know it in your heart. They have uncontained, uncontrolled blobs of radiation spewing fresh radiation whilst they lie about cold shutdown. This is a very important point.
“Iodine-131 decays with a half-life of 8.02 days into stable xenon-131 which is not considered carcinogenic. Xenon certainly does not belong in your body, but the amount produced would be chemically insignificant. Iodine has a biological half-life of 100 days in the body so any iodine-131 will probably decay before being excreted. So the answer is YES to both questions, because the radiation is much more dangerous than the presence of xenon and this risk is incurred at the time of decay.
“EDIT: The above answer assumes iodine-131 has been consumed and some time has passed, and it is incorrect unless there is some way of removing the radioactive iodine (KI therapy?). The implication is that such treatment should be started as soon as possible, but it may not be worth the cost if months have already passed. Without this possibility, the risk is incurred at the time of ingestion and the answer to the question of health risk is NO. The above answer is also incorrect if we allow for other possibilities (e.g. a cure for cancer). If as Henry suggests in the comments we have a glass of water contaminated with iodine-131, and we keep it stored in the fridge for 90 days, then more than 99.9% of the isotope will have decayed to stable and harmless xenon. But I would drink it only if there was no doubt that it was free of other radioactive or poisonous chemicals (such as caesium-137).” http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7487/iodine-131-half-life-and-reality
From the same website:
” the faster the decay, the stronger stronger (decay/time) the radiation. To include that, one should calculate something like amount/(half life).
” extremely important is, that land animals have chemical means to extract and store incredible low amounts of iodine from drinks and what You eat. Thus extremely small amounts of iodine in water and soil will be concentrated 1 by millions (or billions) in our thyroid gland. That is the big danger and that is reason to give iodine tablets to endangered people, to “saturate” the iodine uptake system. All this is a heritage from the “fish” which changed their lifestyle to dwell on land, where iodine is rare. We still preseve that piece of metabolism “Invented” under marine conditions.”
Also from this website:
“To this discussion should be added that apparently radioactive iodine-131 has what is known as an “effective half life” when in the human body….now physically, the 131 isotope has a half-life of 8.02 days and this remains precisely the same whether it is internal or external to the body—the helf-life of any radioactive isotope is a physical constant that depends strictly on the structure of the nucleus and its location within or without the human body is of no consequence whatsoever. Nonetheless, for some physiological reason, when radioactive iodine-131 is introduced into a human (usually as NaI) and a radiation meter, Geiger counter or some instrument that reads counts per minute (CPM) is placed close to the thyroid gland to which the iodine is most strongly gravitated and held, and the time for the count to drop to exactly half its original highest value is taken and averaged….the resulting figure is other than 8.02 days. This could result from migration of the “hot” iodine to other parts of the body or whatever but this new “half-life” as measured is referred to as the “effective half-life” in the body…but this term can mislead people into believing that once ingested, radioactive iodine’s physical properties change—this is not so.”
“Where do iodine-129 and iodine-131 come from?
“Both iodine-129 and iodine-131 are produced by the fission of uranium atoms during operation of nuclear reactors and by plutonium (or uranium) in the detonation of nuclear weapons.
“What are the properties of iodine-129 and iodine-131?
“Radioactive iodines have the same physical properties as stable iodine. However, radioactive iodines decay with time
“Iodine is a nonmetallic, purplish-black crystalline solid. It has the unusual property of ‘sublimation,’ which means that it can go directly from a solid to a gas, without first becoming liquid. It sublimes to a deep violet vapor at room temperature. This vapor is irritating to the eyes, nose and throat. Iodine dissolves in alcohol and in water. It melts at 236 °F.
“Iodine reacts easily with other chemicals, and isotopes of iodine are found as compounds rather than as a pure elemental nuclide. Thus, iodine-129 and -131 found in nuclear facilities and waste treatment plants quickly form compounds with the mixture of chemicals present. However, iodine released to the environment from nuclear power plants is usually a gas.
“Iodine-129 has a half-life of 15.7 million years; iodine-131 has a half-life of about 8 days. Both emit beta particles upon radioactive decay….
“Exposure to Iodine-129 and Iodine-131
“How do iodine-129 and iodine-131 get into the environment?
“Iodine-129 and iodine-131 are gaseous fission products that form within fuel rods as they fission. Unless reactor chemistry is carefully controlled, they can build up too fast, increasing pressure and causing corrosion in the rods. As the rods age, cracks or wholes may breach the rods.
“Cracked rods can release radioactive iodine into the water that surrounds and cools the fuel rods. There, it circulates with the cooling water throughout the system, ending up in the airborne, liquid, and solid wastes from the reactor.
“From time to time, reactor gas capture systems release gases, including iodine, to the environment under applicable regulations.
“Anywhere spent nuclear fuel is handled, there is a chance that iodine-129 and iodine-131 will escape into the environment. Nuclear fuel reprocessing plants dissolve the spent fuel rods in strong acids to recover plutonium and other valuable materials. In the process, they also release iodine-129 and -131 into the airborne, liquid, and solid waste processing systems. In the U.S., spent nuclear fuel is no longer reprocessed, because of concerns about nuclear weapons proliferation.
“Currently, spent nuclear fuel remains in temporary storage at nuclear power plants around the country. If the nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain opens, it will provide permanent disposal for spent nuclear fuel and other high-level radioactive wastes. Wherever spent nuclear fuel is stored, the short-lived iodine-131 it contains will decay away quickly and completely. However, the long-lived iodine-129 will remain for millions of years. Keeping it from leaking into the environment, requires carefully designed, long-term safeguards.
“The detonation of nuclear weapons also releases iodine-129 into the environment. Atmospheric testing in the 1950′s and 60′s released radioactive iodine to the atmosphere which has disseminated around the world, and is now found at very low levels in the environment. Most I-129 in the environment came from weapons testing.
“How do iodine-129 and iodine-131 change in the environment?
“Radioactive iodine can disperse rapidly in air and water, under the right conditions. However, it combines easily with organic materials in soil. This is known as ‘organic fixation’ and slows iodine’s movement in the environment. Some soil minerals also attach to, or adsorb, iodine, which also slows its movement.
“The long half-life of iodine-129, 15.7 million years, means that it remains in the environment. However, iodine-131′s short half-life of 8 days means that it will decay away completely in the environment in a matter of months. Both decay with the emission of a beta particle, accompanied by weak gamma radiation.
“How do people come in contact with iodine-129 and iodine-131?
“Radioactive iodine can be inhaled as a gas or ingested in food or water. It dissolves in water so it moves easily from the atmosphere into humans and other living organisms. People are exposed to I-129 from the past testing of nuclear weapons, and I-131 from nuclear power plant emissions. Some industrial facilities also emit radioactive iodine to the environment, as well as medical institutions. Radioactive iodine is usually emitted as a gas, but may contaminate liquids or solid materials as well. If a family member has been treated with I-131, you may have increased exposure to it through their body fluids.
“How do iodine-129 and iodine-131 get into the body?
“Radioactive iodine can enter the body by ingestion or inhalation. It dissolves in water so it moves easily from the atmosphere into humans and other living organisms. For example, I-129 and -131 can settle on grass where cows can eat it and pass it to humans through their milk. It may settle on leafy vegetables and be ingested by humans. Iodine isotopes also concentrate in marine and freshwater fish, which people may then eat.
“Also, doctors may give thyroid patients radioactive iodine, usually iodine-131, to treat or help diagnose certain thyroid problems. The tendency of iodine to collect in the thyroid makes it very useful for highlighting parts of its structure in diagnostic images. …
“What do iodine-129 and iodine-131 do once they get into the body?
“When I-129 or I-131 is ingested, some of it concentrates in the thyroid gland. The rest passes from the body in urine.
“Airborne I-129 and I-131 can be inhaled. In the lung, radioactive iodine is absorbed, passes into the blood stream, and collects in the thyroid. Any remaining iodine passes from the body with urine.
“In the body, iodine has a biological half-life of about 100 days for the body as a whole. It has different biological half-lives for various organs: thyroid – 100 days, bone – 14 days, and kidney, spleen, and reproductive organs – 7 days.” http://epa.gov/radiation/radionuclides/iodine.html
Dear Bread: 8-day half life means that it’s (radioactive iodine-131?) decay rate at 8 days is half of what it is on the first moment of the first day. It will take 80 days in this case for the decay rate to be statistically or effectively zero or perhaps almost absolutely non-detectable.
Dear Ann: Radioactive iodine mimics non-radioactive iodine in terms of biological uptake and therefore ends up at least in one’s thyroid. Other than that I do not know.
1 i-131 atom has a 50% probability of decaying within 8 days. no guarantee it will because it’s ultimately impossibly to predict when an atom will decay see schodengers cat. but by the law of big numbers you get an average decay rate of half of any ammount of atoms of any isotope by one half per half life.
source – me. I would double check this lol
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lower and lower the meld will go ..
and suprice the reaktor is could down !
>suprice suprice we do the best jeah we from tepco
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ask anyboddy from where it is . we are sure it is not from
The original explosions at Fukushima were 7 months ago, or 215 days. That’s about 27 half lives of I-131, meaning that if you have X amount of I-131 now, back in parch it would have been 2 to the 27th power larger: over 100 million times larger in fact.
Thus, either the I-131 that is being detected now did not come from the original explosion or originally there was 100 million times more of it, which seems implausible, since if that was the case we’d have heard, I think.
Another possibility is that they are not actually detecting I-131, but making some sort of measurement error. At low levels like this, it’s not a trivial procedure.
But assuming there actually is I-131, it almost certainly came from fission. The fact that there was also Cs-137 present supports this. So the speculation that there is continued fission, most likely continued release from Fukushima, is hard to refute, unless you have some other fissioning uranium. And it must have been happening fairly recently…this is very disturbing to say the least.
Yes, I haven’t commented in a while. Just watching the slow motion horror unfold…
Recriticality is a really tricky to engineer, and here it would be engineered by accident. You need a moderator: molten corium cannot be critical, the fast neutrons simply escape without causing further fissions. If you did have a moderator (water, most likely) and the fuel became critical, if quickly becomes super-critical, with huge amounts of energy released.
Could Fukushima be doing something similar, somehow? In the melted cores or the spent fuel pools? The physics of this is mind-boggling…but not impossible, and with I-131 turning up last month and this month, what else could it be?
Thanks for the link. Here is a quote from that article:
“Oklo is the only known location for this in the world and consists of 16 sites at which self-sustaining nuclear fission reactions took place approximately 1.7 billion years ago, and ran for a few hundred thousand years, averaging 100 kW of power output during that time.“
the corium wont go critical on its own without a moderator to slow down the neutrons. since the earth or concrete wont do that the only way its going critical again is if water hits the corium. since theyve been pumping tons of water per day into whats left of the reactors i think its pretty safe to say its all leaking right out the bottom as fast as they pump it in. water hits corium, fission occurs, water is quicky vaporized into steam, fission slows or stops.
the corium is probably at a weird spot under the rector where its not being constantly covered with water. when chernobyls corium melted out it didnt go straight down- it took the path of least resistance through pipes and other pathways instead of drilling straight down.
fuku’s coriums may have done the same or they may have gone one step past and burned all the way through the floors and are in the ground and are going recritical due to water in the soil or rock. if its gone that far i dont believe it has hit ground water just yet, but its probably not far away.
it was very stupid and flat out criminal of tepco to not allow an emergency concrete slab to be constructed under the reactors. if they had done that there would have been a good chance of containing the coriums, but that was just too expensive.
i still dont understand why the japanese government hasnt taken control of this whole mess.
“yes, id like a large order of corporate greed”
“sure no problem sir would you like that broke, starving, sick or moderately irradiated?”
Tokyo electric power company, but in Fukushima first nuclear power plant No.1 unit inside the reactor building robots investigated the extremely high value per 1 hour 4700 milliSievert of radiation were measured.
Besides is not expected in the first machine of the first nuclear power plant, Fukushima, “meltdown” by damaged reactor and containment in the basement of the reactor building has collected large amounts of high concentration of contaminated water. Put the robot to reinvestigate 1F Southeast side reactor building of no. 1 aircraft out of the June survey had come out from underground water vapor surrounding Tokyo electric power company is manipulating radio Wednesday, looked at the amount of radiation. As a result, in June, at most one hour per 4000 milliSievert could survey of 13 still extremely high value 4700 milliSievert of radiation was measured. Is that water vapor on the other hand, had come out in the June survey was not verified. 4700 MilliSievert is within the building’s first nuclear power plant, Fukushima, second only to 5000 milliSievert measured 2 floor of no. 1 aircraft in August, a higher value. For Tokyo electric power, this high dose is contaminated water into underground water vapor is injected and sees in the future, about the underground pollution water review survey.
So, what has been missing since the beginning of this catastrophic horrendous disaster beyond any other on earth is real trustworthy intelligence about what exactly these things are doing in the present. And, how many others are percolating away in other locations that are not being talked about either.
We hear lots of stories and they are trending towards getting worse. Any one can understand that. What is truly needed is real input of real information, especially since this is still an ONGOING issue there needs to be information about when this thing is cooking, or re-critically cooking again. We all know, or help out here if you can with more light, that the winds bring the waves over the northern hemisphere in about four to six days. Right? So, when these things get to a puckering up and making bug burps of ANYTHING, we all need to know. Like that is the only chance of putting up some kind of defense even if it is staying indoors a lot more.
Lets not go there now…
Any ideas or suggestions as to how to put together an intelligence community to gather that very exact information are welcome and accepted. Here is the place to put it all for correlation and analyzeation.
You’re right about finding trustworthy intelligence about “the event and its aftermath” being a daunting pursuit. We need citizens democratically (not representative, but direct, messy and noisy! no leaders) IN CHARGE of two main areas to properly manage this mess–remember all leaders and celebrities are usually ALREADY bought off (even on the most left of the left) and, if not, absolutely WILL BE! Direct democracy or you’ll DEFINITELY immediately or sooner get more of the same:
1) The citizens MUST take over ALL media outlets, those media outlets with the broader reach, get the highest priority for public overthrow of their administrative control hierarchies. This may sound difficult; but you’ll quickly learn just how much of an enemy your state and capitalist power elite are by conducting an overthrow of media control…they’ll really really hate that. and…
2) The citizens must overthrow the management of all nuclear crises. The IAEA, NRC and all other similar organizations are problematically all boosters for nuclear power (completely illogical to have wolves in control over activities around little pink newborns (metaphor for Fukushima disaster)). Citizens must be in charge of data retrieval and dissemination and this dissemination must be worldwide. There is no justification for not doing this. Economic chaos? Who the hell cares when the consequences of covert anything are so extreme up to and including poisoning of babies, children and our collective extinction. The problems of reorganizing a FAIR economy are infinitessimal compared to destroyed DNA!!! I personally feel that the effects our bumbling efforts so far(both citizens and extant hierarchies now) in not dealing with Fukushima for NON-human species are far far more important and motivational.
Direct democracy is the tyranny of the majority. What we need is to restore our representative republic and free markets. You need to remember- the only reason nuclear power can function is the governmental promise that the utilities that use it are legally untouchable. Utilities do not operate under a free market. They are subsidized and protected, and funded through money taken at the point of a government gun (taxes).
If we had a truly free market, where individuals could sell energy as they saw fit, nuclear power would be nonexistent. Too much risk; too expensive, and if it were a free market, the issue of waste disposal would factor in to the equation. Certainly the result would be no nukes.
Well, sort of, might work, but… Canada (mulrooney)took the payoff, and included the GrandCo (PowerCorp)scheme as part of the Free Trade (NAFTA)comedy. Canada now must accept ALL US NUCLEAR WASTE. The idea was to store/treat that waste on Canadian Indian Reserves, and (according to archived data)the Meadow Lake Sask. reserve was first to sign on. At any rate, if you worry about the US dealing with their radioactive waste factoring in with regard the “free market”, don’t bother.
Great food for thought. You are right,….the proactive one’s will last way longer.
More of the new normal. Even taking out stinky trash,…..nope,….I’m not feeling that lucky! (It can wait for a full load.)
I just got O.K. with wearing some clothing two, or even three times,….as my passed Mum used to preach about conserving resources and energy,…Nope,…if it’s worn, especially outside,…into the wash IMMEDIATELY.
My roommates have every bloody screen door and window open year round. They own the house and have the ‘right’ to temperature control. As I have the right to insist on clean air. To get that, I must move.
I was at Outrigger canoe paddle practice, all of March, through August… practice was 4 days a week for a couple of hours of heavy workouts outside… we all thought the metal mouth was VOG (volcanic smog) from Kilauea…
There must have been hundreds of people doing the same throughout the Hawaiian Islands….
Hawaii was dosed with uranium (bad) and likely plutonium as airborne particles. Amazing that never made any news. It was 600% higher than if you live 1 foot away from a uranium mine. Got the proof, gov documents, before they stopped releasing test results.
And of course other stuff….but uranium and plutonium are bad all by themselves, just the metals, without considering the radiation effect…
Heh… I live over on Kauai, and do the radiation monitoring for the island via radiationnetwork.com. I would not worry for several reasons. Your healthy lifestyle will go a long way in dealing with any emitters you might have breathed or ingested. Eat lots of fiber going forward. Get a good Cal/Mag formula, and a healthy Iodine supplement.
Sadly… time to start avoiding the Ahi soon. Yellowtail already. Sweat, exercise, good mental attitude boost the immune system so much. Heavy metal cleanse also a good thing to do. Saunas, ( dry and steam are great). But… we live in the islands, and there are all sorts of benefits here that we probably don’t even understand yet. Salt water, natural ionization, good healthy Vitamin D3… you will be fine. What comes out of our mouths and out of our brains can be poisonous as well. Radiation is another form of energy. Do all you can physically to avoid contamination…. and then find your groove spiritually, in nature, meditation, whatever. You are NOT screwed. It is not about what happens to us, it is about what we do about it!
following the enenews policy to take every post “with a grain of salt”, I see Kauai’s point… Radioactive fallout is a fact we must deal with – but I think as well that physical exercise, a friendly community, meditation / prayer, etc. can help a lot to improve one’s mental well-being, which surely has an impact on physical well-being.
Sitting in the basement surrounded by supplement bottles might not be the right choice for everyone.
My friend, who was just diagnosed with cancer,…admitted that he used a backpack weed poison delivery system that leaked down his back all summer long! He figured showering as soon as he came home would be enough. He’s a gardener–eats cesium, strontium, plutonium everyday. Screwed!
Its a good point Jebus. Unfortunately any information on how nuclear fall-out travels is buried somewhere in the various nuclear superpowers army files. Filed under Top Secret. And even if we were privy to that information it wouldn’t tell us too much as Fukushima is not releasing radioactive particles in the same way as a bomb. Fair to say however someone knows something we do not know. Problem always comes down to the technical data one must master to have a good understanding of this huge polluting event. Good time to thank all those enernews posters who have spent more time then me studying this issue.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution_dispersion_terminology to get an idea of the technical parameters to forecast the distribution of a “plume”. I just skimmed through it myself but just like all other science, there are various theories and practices so just like anything else most of the experts will be proven wrong eventually.
What I believe to be true is that people will be affected but as with all cases of cancer and many other diseases doctors realize that by being non-committal as to cause they are saving themselves many headaches.
No offence Mark, But this event has nothing to do with nuclear fallout. This was not one nuclear explosion that fissioned 10% of the fissile material and vaporized the rest…
This was the biggest dirty bomb that the world has ever seen.
There were massive amounts of MOX fuel ejected into the atmosphere in nano sized partiles. Big chunks fell miles away!
It doesn’t take a team of “experts” or a rocket scientist to see from the explosion of #3, that KAK flew up in air.
A child knows what happens when you throw dust into the wind.
One does not need to master any technical data to see.
If Chinas dust can get to the USA, so did FUKU 3′s MOX fuel.
How much MOX is the question that needs an answer…
How about detailing kilograms of each isotope released? Disintegrations per second is not a measure of mass. While perhaps not relavent for gaseous radioactive isotopes, mass quantities of release ARE of interest for the solid isotopes. I would like to know how many kilograms of plutonium, neptunium, uranium, cesium, and strontium have been released in total.
OK dave14139, whip that right up for you, Sir….
and how about a Cocktail for starters, and some Taco Nachos?
There was alot of discussion, dave, in past months here at enenews,
arguments about things which are more clearly known, now.
The TONS and TONS of Uranium in the Blasted-Out Daiichi #3, can be
estimated by analyzing that Blast Video, if you are a logician, or like
puzzles and math games, it’s Fun!
The Different Items blown out from #3 can be observed to fly and fall
differently. LOOK! Something got blasted directly up-and-out with
such velocity, it was like the USS Mighty-MO, shaking the ocean with
sixteen-inch rifled Guns. A Heavy Projectile(s) burned its way high into
atmosphere and downwind, casting off deadly chunks and nano and
vapors and….OK, you can look at the varying levels of spew-
some structural steel parts had enough flat surfaces to somewhat
“fly” and spin and cartwheel out into broader arcs as they fell…
You can Observe that the Heaviest items, many ROD-LIKE, fell with the
EXPECTED quicker-and-tighter parabolic arc, to near free-fall, Fast-like.
You have A lot of DEE-Scussions to read up, going back to March.
Whatta trip…unemployed lazy-ass Geek Readers know what is Up,
and Status-dress-code dudes are waking up to the fact that
THEY CAN’T PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN.
So, If it Comforts You dave, to gain a lotta isotope-ratio knowledge,
I’m with ya, but know it is kinda Futile at this point.
Posters on these reply-strings have delivered a ton of fabulous info,
and i’ll say it again, I Hope Everybody is Saving Down all of these Pages
for future Historical Record of what is/was Going On.
Dave…one thing complicating any attempt at calculations about the
actual release of materials, is the LIE Factor, the CONSTANT LIE Factor.
There are folks showing a rationale that, based on cesium isotope
ratios found in California, there MUST have been/may still be secret
plutonium weapons facility Underneath the…
You see, we talk about Japanese rigid cultural work-ethic
and adherence to status-quo, but clearly,
the American TV-trained, Mass media-so-called-”music” drilled,
Pavlov Dogs, we want our Damn BURGER RIGHT THE F NOW!!!
We have been led down a primrose path, followed a Pied Piper,
Made Enough Money ta Buy MY-AMMY,
but Pissed IT Away So Fast!
It was never meant to last, never meant to last….Jimmy Buffett.
It is too bad, the Honor of Real Warriors is darkened by Gangsters.
The Biggest International Gangsters controlled all this Disaster,
from the time Hyman Rickover walked away/was kicked out of
the nuke program. He said DON’T UPSCALE the SUBMARINE reactor,
which is what the Mark-One BWR is said to basically emulate.
I Bow to your Good question ryosei,
and I have to admit my Leaders Have No Honor, and I am Weak.
Let us remember with reverence:
I read his biography “Samurai”, when I was Ten years old.
I’ll Never forget it!
…referring to japanese society, pavlovs dogs could be a good description as well, due to the fact that any “abnormal” behaviours are trimmed down from young age already through the tightness of supression inside a group…
we read already that there are children bullied even from their teachers to support / eat the local food…
i would like to slap many faces there to wake them up, for sure
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