Report: Concern work not being done at Reactors 1-3 — Perhaps much longer than 50 years just to contain radiation

Published: August 20th, 2012 at 11:11 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima Needs a Hero: Responsibility and Democracy in Japan
Author: Akio Matsumura
Date: August 20, 2012

Yastel Yamada is 73 years old. He seems a little tired after weeks on the road in the United States. He is trying to save Japan.

One of the first people I have met who can tell the inside story of the Fukushima accident, Yamada is concerned that work is not being done on the three nuclear reactors that melted down last year because the high radiation levels are still keeping TEPCO workers away. The crippled buildings are unstable, still contain nuclear assemblies, and present a long term threat to the people in the area. The cooling systems especially are a cause for concern. Mr. Yamada, founder and president of the Skilled Veterans Corps for Fukushima (Fukushima Genpatsu Kodotai), along with 700 members, want to help clean up the site.

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Beyond cleanup of the site, Mr. Yamada doesn’t believe TEPCO has the technological capabilities to deal with the long term issues. TEPCO, he says, doesn’t believe this either. TEPCO’s plan, according to Yamada, is to contain the radiation in the next 40 years. He estimates they will need 50 years or perhaps much longer.

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68 comments to Report: Concern work not being done at Reactors 1-3 — Perhaps much longer than 50 years just to contain radiation

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    50 years of contamination from a nuclear reactor. And for what?


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  • Sickputer

    I wish I could have met Mr. Yamada during his visit to America. Perhaps he can make it to Dallas or Houston another time. I hope his trip was pleasant and useful.

    He should be the man appointed by the next Prime Minister to head a special new Ministry in Japan, a ministry designed to bring together all resources to defeat the nuclear Godzilla at Fukushima NPP and address the issues of contamination and dangers to all Japanese.

    So far the Japanese government has been sorely lacking a champion to bring together a coherent policy. Perhaps Yamada will find there are few solutions. But at least he won't lie to the people of Japan.

    People can accept bad news and take preventative actions. They desperately need hope and even if hope is slim, they need to be in the loop of truthful communications.

    "Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society."
    –Ralph Waldo Emerson


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    • Zombie_Planet

      I wish I could have met Frank Zappa.

      Would not change a thing.

      Pipe dreams & pie in the sky.

      :)


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    • rambojim

      People can accept bad news and take preventive actions but only if they hear bad news. Where is the bad news in Japan? The government just opened the public swimming pools for the first time since the reactors blew.The people said that they are so happy that their officials said it is now safe to use the swimming pools once again.Most all foods are safe to eat again.There is no bad news in Japan.

      The US just banned the export of beef from Japan until further notice, but the Japanese are eating beef because the Government told them its safe to eat beef.

      The protests have died down just like the officials knew they would and soon again it will be follow the leader in Japan once more.


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  • Zombie_Planet

    Over the course of this global disastrous phenomena, in our recent history, I am impressed with the near complete non-responsive reaction, and attentiveness, by our so termed leaders. [That supposedly have our best interest at hand.]

    Signed:
    Anti-Lucifer

    P.S. Got veggies?


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    It says, much longer than 50 years just to contain radiation.

    How many years of layers after layers can humans, and the environment take?


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  • truthseek truthseek

    (no offense ENEnews)

    What a ridiculous headline (a ludicrous notion) 50 years.

    Much of existence on our planet with be dead or in the Blade Runner
    Mad Max life… what was not killed off. 50 years to to contain…

    I am truly concerned about my own mortality,
    I am 52 in good to great general health for my age
    but see a rapid decline in my being over
    the past 2 years, I know that I am
    not right… affected by this.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    This is one news and information forum that I feel at home in… Thank you everyone! There are SO many smart and amazingly insightful people here. Imagine if we did not have like means for exchange. We would be at a loss.


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  • rambojim

    Humans don't fear what they can't see. Wait until the Cesium in the waters off Japan reach the West Coast next year. Cesium-137 is very bad for the human body,contaminating the whole body especially muscle. Your heart is a muscle.

    Cesium-137 half life is 30.2 years…


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  • Of course, Tepco has no technical nor (to another were instructed not to; the liquidation of the consequences of nuclear accidents), or does not have sufficient means to reasonable liquidation threats. 's financial Leaving for 50 years without action is lack of responsibility.
    Corium not expired, only works for a while … and gets to the ocean …


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  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    If TEP.gov can't stop residual radiation steaming from Buildings1,2,&3, how will they EVER be able to secure Coriums1,2,&3 in the bedrock under Fuku?

    If TEP.gov can't stop residual radiation steaming from Buildings1,2,&3, how will they be able to remove contents of SFP1,2,&3?

    Better to fill Buildings1,2,&3 with borated sand and lead, and cover it all in concrete, per Arnie Gundersen's plan. Come back in 300 years once things have cooled down.

    (I doubt Coriums1,2,&3 will ever make it into the Pacific Ocean unless Japan island sinks.) I avoid all Pacific seafood already. Most humans will avoid Pacific seafood after this generation sickens, and the next is born with unhealthy mutations.

    But to do NOTHING? To do nothing at all about Buildings1,2,&3? This is criminal. (And the radiation in the US ticks up, day by day, week by week.). :(


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @philip: until a geological survey is performed for the underlying foundation of these plants, it likely that capping-off these structures will only add to the long-term environmental damage. In some instances, it is logical to apply a cover to a wound. On another, such solution may exacerbate the condition you're attempting to heal.

      Of course, most humans are only concerned with their limited life-spans. The idea that a set of power plants may be spewing radiation into the atmosphere is terrifying and spells doom for all throughout the planet. We get that. But thinking we have the right to push-off this nightmare into the future, is incredibly selfish.

      We already know this problem's going to be around for a long-long time. Why not allocate a little time to developing a pragmatic solution? We have the technology and expertise to determine if entombment is a safe strategy.

      Keep in mind, those who got us here will be only too happy to find a 'solution'; even if that solution is the cause of misery and death for hundreds-of-millions of future beings. Doubt this accusation? Look at the thousands of spent-fuel pools that we've been neglecting for the sake of expediency. Sixty-years-on and we're only beginning to address a nightmare that existed long before Fukushima.

      Simply suggesting some action does not guarantee its efficacy. Doing so runs the risk that we'll be mowed-down when the whistle is blown and we move-out from the trenches…


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      • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

        Last year, I came across a study of the geology under Fuku, so the geology is known. (Sorry I didn't save a link). Flow of groundwater past the coriums and into the ocean can be stopped by steel cofferdams around Buildings1,2,3,&4. Both on ocean side and on inland side of the nukes. Aftershock, many thanks for your thoughts. Agree with Arnie Gundersen that eventually Japan must cover the site in concrete and make repairs when leaks appear. I do not accept the notion that nothing can be done. And I cannot accept the current level of effort, where nothing is being done to arrest Coriums1,2,&3.

        "Some action does not guarantee its efficacy.". :) Point well taken. "Measure twice, cut once". So, where is the international Fukushima Diiachi Commission that will study alternatives, and come up with The Plan?


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          totally with you philip, something must be done. I'll join you in a blink if the geological assays prove that it's safe; but only if the results of these surveys are from independent sources. We have to be careful brother. It's on everyone of us that we be so…


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        • VanneV anne

          [Geology of Fukushima]
          “I have talked with some of my colleagues (geology professors) today, and some of them knew for many years/decades that the bed rock of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuke Power Plant is soft sedimentary rock. They do not know why government (both national and local/prefectural) approved for the construction of the plant on such a bad spot, and can only think of*unethical acts of polititians and the industry.*Also,*my colleagues warn that the type of bed rock, which geologists identify,*and the strength/suitability of the*bed rock, which soil/geo-engineers determine, is different, even though I would*still support that*young sedimentary rocks below the Fukushima Daiichi Nuke Plant is NOT*suitable for constructing buildings that have to endure earthquakes. ”
          http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3356008#post3356008

          Faults unconsidered in the seismic design of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear … Map of Outer sea from Shioyazaki” (Geological Survey Japan, 2001)
          http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/betu11_e/images/110531e4.pdf


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          • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

            "…the plant was built on "mudrock" type sedimentary rock (yellow in the cross-section), which is a muddy rock composed of clay and silt (very fine sand). But the term "muddy" does not mean that the rock is soft. It simply means that it is a rock whose matrix is clay; it is also called "argillite".". From the study you linked, anne. Mudrock is not worth a damn, and Fuku nukes should never been built there. But it was built, and mudrock is what we've got to work with, so let's design a structure of reinforced contrete with design elements that will resist future earthquakes and leaking, and which will sit on the mudstone without breaking it. Twin interlocking steel cofferdams 100' apart, and 100' deep into mudstone bedrock, built around Buildings1,2,&3, and filled with reinforced concrete, can and will stop groundwater from flowing around Coriums1,2,&3. And, will stop sea water from reqching Coriums1,2,&3. This can be done, and it must be done, anne.
            If an effective Sarcophagus cannot be designed and built over Buildings1,2,3&4, then the future of the human race will be one of cultural descent and devolution into a mutant race, and the unwinding of human society and institutions.


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        • VanneV anne

          Why Underground Entombment At
          Fukushima Daiichi Won’t Succeed
          By Yoichi Shimatsu, 7-28-11
          “Fukushima No.1 rests on landfill comprising loose rock and sand over the natural seabed and is positioned only a couple of meters above the high tide mark. Water seepage and earthquake-caused liquefaction have seriously disturbed this rather weak soil structure….

          “Much of the danger comes from simpler processes. Extremely hot magma, consisting of nuclear residues mixed with soil minerals, will boil any sea water seeping underground, creating pressurized steam.Think of oatmeal cooking in a pot and how bubbles create blow holes. The same is happening inside the landfill.

          “The steam-created tubes harden when they cool, leaving lines of structural weakness. Eventually, these air pockets will collapse, and the massive weight of the water-filled reactors, piles of spent rods and their supporting structures will drop into deep sinkholes.

          “If the magma tubes become filled with sea water, the landfill will resemble a gigantic sponge, prone to liquefaction and collapse under earthquake motion. Even the resonance vibrations from large machines could trigger the sudden opening of new sinkholes.


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          • VanneV anne

            [cont.]
            “Water holds other dangers as well, since it is a better medium for nuclear fission than the mix of stones, dirt and concrete now under the reactors. Once sea water seeps into the newly opened underground channels, the fissile particles will become free-floating and fire neutrons into bits of uranium, plutonium and other isotopes, triggering cascades of fission. The resulting steam pressure is volcanic, bursting out of the ground and spewing vast amounts of radioactive material into the atmosphere. The oatmeal spatters across the stove top. …”
            http://www.rense.com/general94/whyf.htm


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          • VanneV anne

            Covering with concrete would be strictly cosmetic. By now the corium is so deep in the ground and headed to the ocean no one could dig deep enough to stop anything.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              awesome post anne…


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            • Sickputer

              Anne "Covering with concrete would be strictly cosmetic. By now the corium is so deep in the ground and headed to the ocean no one could dig deep enough to stop anything."

              SP:

              I think that is true and not yet revealed by Tepco.

              Remember the unveiling of the cofferdam plan April 24, 2012?

              http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2012/1202600_1870.html

              Heard anything lately? I know they had claimed they started this wall in October 2011:

              "In addition, from October 2011, in order to protect the ocean from contaminated ground water, we began constructing a water shielding wall in front of the existing seawall of Units 1-4 which is scheduled to be completed in 2014."

              http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/review/review2_3-e.html

              SP: Without construction photos I remain unconvinced the Japanese authorities are unwilling to spend billions on that strategy.

              To hear this pro-nuke site tell it… They already built the wall:

              "From October, a steel water shield wall was built on the sea frontage of units 1-4. It extends about one kilometre, and down to an impermeable layer beneath two permeable strata which potentially leak contaminated groundwater to the sea. "

              http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/fukushima_accident_inf129.html

              I see nothing in Tepco's press releases except for the new fish findings:
              http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2012/index-e.html


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              • Sickputer

                "SP: Without construction photos I remain unconvinced the Japanese authorities are unwilling to spend billions on that strategy."

                Typo correction:
                Remove the "un" on one or the other words.


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              • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

                TEPCO: Where, exactly, are the Coriums?
                SP: "Cofferdam-and-uphill well" strategy by TEPCO would cost perhaps millions, but not billions, of dollars.
                What you (and anne) are really saying is that TEPCO knows that Coriums1,2,&3 are well below 100' deep in the bedrock, and that no cofferdam-and-well strategy (or sarcophagus) would work. I have so far found this impossible to believe, for if this were the case, then we are all surely doomed, and I should be out smelling the flowers, allergies and all! If you are right on this, then perhaps all is lost, and TEPCO will continue to stop by once a day to move the cranes around to no effect.
                TEPCO, we are awaiting your answer to this essential question. Where, exactly, are Coriums1,2,&3? Nothing else matters.


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            • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

              blue lightning! "A shocking discovery at Fukushima was that zirconium…can become a catalyst for an esoteric type of nuclear fission. At extreme temperatures, zirconium ignites even the tiniest quantities of airborne nuclear isotopes, releasing "blue lightning". This means that zirconium catalysis could also be occurring underground, triggering mini-fission events. This sort of nuclear reaction is terra incognita, a yet unexplored frontier of physics, the joker in the deck". http://www.rense.com/general94/whyf.htm
              Many thanks, anne, for your post, and for this link. Most interesting. Now we are at least talking about a real solution to the Fukumess. Sarcophagus.
              OT: (Meanwhile, the GOP just adopted a platform that affirms rights of an unborn fetus. Women, hold on to your lady parts. Republicans want the government to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body.)


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            • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

              Incredible post Anne, thank you. Is there ANY type of appropriately textured, absorbent substance, laden with chemicals or minerals that could be injected in the ground, to reduce the H20 contact, off-gasing, and likely sinkholes you describe in this nuclear 'oatmeal' underground? We should collect all the excellent, technical suggestions about Fukushima on EneNews and send them to politicians, who care about ongoing damage control in Japan/West Coast, and to the technical experts advising Tepco!


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  • richard richard

    hi philipupnorth. i hear you understand what you're saying.

    but for anyone to accept waiting 300 years, or even 50 years, is just not tolerable. To leave any of this mess to another generation is a moral abomination to the nth degree.

    there are enough humans on earth right now that can go in and drown out fukukuku. sure, it's going to cost lives, but there is not turning our back on that.

    for me now, i might as well give up. i wont live 50 years from now. i wont see the end of this. what's there point. all we can now do it watch as the damage blooms, to what ever level that may or may not be.

    from some rough maths i figured that unless we see bus loads of people every day arriving at fuku, nothing of substance is being done to defuse the situation.

    in fact, how can decontamination ever occur. the rads can only be moved, not decomposed. so where will it be moved to. and the output hasn't stopped. and it wont for 50 years. ish.

    do note that i've said busloads of people per day. and every one arriving will be a new person, these will not be repeat visitors working. for 20 minutes worth of work they will be exposed to a dose equal to 5 years as a nuke worker. the salary bill, if ever considered or calculated, will be mammoth in it's own right.

    the numbers to come will be jaw dropping once the penny drops.


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    • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

      Somebody has to quit worrying about costs, and begin to do what is necessary to deal with Fuku.

      Many thanks for your comments, richard. We agree that the TEP.gov response has been TEPID, to say the least. And we agree that the response of the human race to the Fukumenace must be orders of magnitude greater then what we have seen thus far into the Event. But we also agree that removal of the debris from Fuku begs the question: To Where? Where do you park radioactive debris from Fuku to keep them separate from the human race and the Biosphere indefinitely? Perhaps there is nowhere on the volcanic, earthquake prone, little islands of Japan that can keep the nuclear hazzard separate over the ages. Better, far better, never to have tried to use atom-splitting to make electricity in the first place. Hiroshima was our first clue.

      If the inaction we see at present continues, we are going to get to the point where human bodies begin to break down and fail. Future generations of the disabled (I know, not PC to say "disabled") will be less and less able to deal with Fuku. Society will devolve, and break down. Our window of opportunity to deal effectively with Fuku is already beginning to close.


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  • chrisk9

    Thanks Phillip every one of your points is spot on.
    Richard- the busloads of people approach has worked well,and has been practiced by many plants doing steam generator repairs. But this is not a situation where people can work a minute or two and get a couple Rem. A report a couple days ago mentioned a drywell dose rate of 29 sieverts an hour. So a person working a minute would get 50 Rem in that area. And there are much worse dose rates in many places.
    I am sure that there are some answers that would mitigate the amounts of releases, and could make the situation a little better at least. But as long as Tepco plays this make believe game of decommissioning and cold shutdown nothing productive will be done.


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    • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

      Picture people operating machines which fill Torus Rooms1,2,&3 with borated sand and lead. We know that we can't have people pushing debris into little piles with push brooms in Buildings1,2,&3. But machines can work in and around Buildings1,2,&3. Machines we can retrofit to control remotely. Many thanks for your kind remarks, chrisk9.
      Agree that humans cannot work on Buildings1,2,&3. They don't have to. But they can deliver borated sand and lead into reactors and buildings usinf machines to do much of the work. They can pour sand into reactors and containments. They can build cofferdams around the site, and put a properly supported concrete Sarcophagus over it.
      Many of us on ENEnews have been considering the alternative, which is continuing to do nothing. Doing nothing as pumps break down, as pipes corrode and spring leaks. And we do not like the inevitable outcome.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        "…using machines to do much of the work." is based on conjecture. They're working on 'survivable' systems as we speak, but they're a ways-away. I'd also ask that you scroll-up to anne's 11:44 am post on this issue. She's providing excellent reference-links, as well. I'd be interested in your take on her post…


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      • chrisk9

        Thanks Phillip, reading your and other posts presents some ideas that may be able to be worked on. Anne's point about the location and geology of the plant is very true. I have never seen a plant closer to the high tide mark. Every morning at sunup we used to go outside and watch the reflection of the sun on the water as it rose.
        I think the major problem with machines or robots of any sort is the dynamics of reaching the trouble spots under the vessel in the drywell basement and in the torus. Getting in there with protective clothing and a respirator was hard enough for this human. Too many ladders,stairs and obstructions.
        But how about getting a large flexible pipe, feeding into these areas and covering with your borated sand. This could work in the torus because they have already gotten in the door. Getting it into the drywell will be much more difficult because the dose rate even at the equipment is probably lethal.
        But anything that could be done would at least slow down emmissions.


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        • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

          chrisk9: Getting into the Torus with borated sand is easy through the access covers. As you say, we would need to get in there with a large flexible pipe. Back our way around to the access, leaving the spaces filled with sand. We would need to get into the Torus Basements, which are now flooded. But I still think even this is possible. Getting into the reactors is more difficult, requiring removal of damaged Containment Covers and reactor plugs. Removing these plugs releases the high radiation of the reactor ruins and containment ruins to the atmosphere. Hopefully, the reactors and containments could be filled with borated sand using remote controlled machines, then pouring a new concrete plug on top of the containment opening. Filling reactors and containments with borated sand must be done, or else we will have to let the reactors hiss and spit forever under the concrete of the Sarcophagus. I'd prefer to fill the entire buildings with borated sand and lead. As you say, anything that could be done would reduce emissions.


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          • chrisk9

            You can get access to the torus basement from the catwalk, and from there you could spray the floor underneath. They had workers already at the edge of the catwalk so it might be doable. The drywell has an escape hatch that is used to change out control rod drives. You could feed a hose through there, but it would be about 50-100 feet to the entrance to the drywell basement. The problem here is that many plants lock up the access to the basement when they are operating, although there may be a way to get a hose through??


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            • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

              Admin, very useful discussion on filling U1,2,&3 with borated sand. Looking forward to further discussions in new threads.
              To chrisk9, anne, Aftershock, richard, and others who contributed, well done. Many thanks for your helpful remarks.
              Further random thoughts on this topic:
              Using sand allows future generations to dig out the reactors to deal with residual corium materials that may need attention.
              I was astounded to see that people are still walking around the Chernobyl NPP inside the Sarcophagus, even ducking under burned fuel bundles, and viewing the "elephant foot" of solidified corium from a big pipe. Perhaps not all areas within U1,2,&3 must or should be filled with sand.
              My thought is to stop residual corium inside U1,2,&3 from creating gas and pressure that could leak out of the Sarcophagus.
              My thought with the 100' deep foundation was to get well below Coriums1,2,&3. I ask again: Where are the Coriums1,2,&3?
              Once twin cofferdams have been put in place, the space between them excavated, and the foundation of reinforced concrete poured, wells would be dug within the foundation, to pump out remaining ground water and sea water under the plants. The wells would allow continual monitoring to determine the rate that water is able to penetrate into the area under the Sarcophagus.
              My hope is that Containments1,2,&3 will be found to have big lavatubes leading to Coriums1,2,&3. Fill these tubes with borated sand to cool and moderate coriums.


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  • Sol Man

    Likely too late for Prussian Blue. The article that WindorSolarPlease listed above was appeared on Oct. 28, 2011 and said that cesium plume hit CN and US then. It had to have been given out as soon as possible during or after the exposure for maximum effectiveness.

    Dream vision last night of the final scene. which I may share later; too much pain.


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  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Right now, 3 station in US over 50cpm. (Alert level 100cpm). Radion accumulating (and bioaccumulating) every day, around the world. More and more every day.
    http://radiationnetwork.com/
    And still, the nukes are operating around the globe. Little releases here and there. Nukes with combustible fuel assemblies, with overly small containment (that can contain nothing), retrofitted with Torus Wet Wells (which fail, as in Reactor2), retrofitted with pressure relief valves, which vent up the stack to contaminate the surrounding area. Spent fuel pool 100' off the ground, right next to the reactor, and no federal spent fuel repository. Nukes on islands in the middle of rivers, on oceans and lakeshores, on faultlines subject to flooding, earthquake, and tsunamis. Nuclear power plants are design flaws, top to bottom. NRC, when will you shut them all down?


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      "…when will you shut them all down?" What…and put themselves on the breadline with the rest of us. If you haven't gotten it by now, nuclear power is the boondoggle that just keeps-on giving…


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  • hbjon hbjon

    There have been reports of borated sand and lead being used as shields from the radiation. Hopefully, this is wrong. One of the most lethal substances known to man is produced mixing lead and uranium. This is a fact. Boron absorbs particles, that's fine. Transmutation to nitrogen, no problem. Iron, no problem. Except it does take on the property of radiation. Sand? Sure, why not. Some gasses will be produced, but it's better than aerosolizing plutonium into the atmosphere. Develop technology to remove undamaged fuel, demolish site, cover site, plant sunflower. Smile.


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  • Sickputer

    Hi philupupnorth… Maybe this link was one you were thinking of:

    http://www.ianbradshaw.co.uk/multimedia/fukushima/data/General%20Documents/iitk.ac.in/Seismic%20Soil-Structure%20Interaction%20Study%20at%20Fukushima%20Nuclear%20Power%20Plant.pdf

    It shows they drilled 147 meters into the mudstone (aka claystone and sandstone). Did not hit granite which wd think is maybe 200 meters or more in depth:

    http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=507369

    But granite itself is no guarantee as a fissure-proof bottom:

    http://tian.hwr.arizona.edu/data/pub/6ade2a3a84c60eb2ca5877ff9bae2121.pdf

    SP: I think they know by now the island subsurface is a leaky sieve far deeper than any man-made stopgap measures can plug to prevent ocean contamination. Absolute insanity to build this plant at this site of for that
    matter anywhere on an ocean seashore. They doomed all future seafood utilization by Japan on the west coast… and spreading across the region to other countries.

    BTW… Japan has more super dangerous seashore nuclear plants and they better never become operational again. Not exactly words the world nucleocrats care to have mentioned in main stream media.


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    • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

      Sickputer, many thanks, but the study I read was done before the plants were built at Fukushima Diiachi. I'll keep looking for the study, which I read online, and know I will find again. Someday…


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  • rambojim

    Ever wonder why nuclear plants are built near the seashore?

    It's not because of the beautiful view….


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  • VanneV anne

    I think that the reason that they haven't done anything is because at least 15 or more reactors melted through starting in March, 2011. And there isn't enough money in the world or enough technology in the world to make a difference. The US should have decommissioned all its nuclear reactors immediately. But then the rich don't want their taxes raised to pay for it.

    You realize that when the nuclear industry buys off the US Congress they are using their government subsidies which come from taxpayer dollars.

    Why is Romney allowed to keep the campaign money he raised in the UK? Apart from the fact that these banks are part of the LIBOR fraud, it is illegal for foreign governments to pay funds into US elections and illegal for foreign governments to influence US elections. How can Romney be allowed run when he has never released even one full year of tax returns? How can he be allowed to run when his main bundler is a lobbyist for Barclay's bank?

    How can candidates be above the law? Shouldn't they be disqualified for lying and for fraud?


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @anne: given all of what we've seen to date, voting for either of these vacuous souls is inexplicable. Of course, we'll go round-and-round on who's the lessor of two evils. I'm just curious as to when those of us who extol the virtues of representative democracy will accept that voting for the lessor degenerate is still voting for a degenerate. And from what we've witnessed from this last waste of time, any-and-every vote for corporate-funded representation is a wasted vote…except for those who've bought that candidate…


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    • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

      OT: Because, dear anne, Bush/Cheney lied about WMD in Iraq, and killed anyone, citizen or not, thought to be a threat. America is no longer a nation under law. Instead, we have turned into an outlaw nation. 911 has been proven to be an inside job. Not by conspiracy theorists, but by architectural and other professionals.
      http://m.video.pbs.org/video/2270078138/
      The questions remain, by whom, and for what end?


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      I wish I knew. Romney and the GOP are trying to take women back to the dark ages. I can't understand how any woman could vote for a republican. Romney is obviously trying to hide something and what I don't understand is how you can have a post office box in the Cayman islands and claim it's a company. Perhaps it's the magic underwear.


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  • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

    @ Sickputer, 'They doomed all future seafood utilization by Japan on the west coast…' According to the local, NorCal MSM, the salmon harvest was great this year. It is now in full swing as chefs from Pier 39 create wonderful new recipes to showcase the incoming fish. Mmm, eat up everyone. Oh the pain! Salmon is my favorite fish, next to Catalina swordfish- :) Ok, maybe a little is okay but to say unequivocally 'eat your fill' from now until never is not okay. When I mention the situation of fish on the West Coast, I get 'well, where's the evidence, how do you know, or, officials will say something won't they?' Uh, nope, not really, not yet anyway. Some people won't read anything while waiting for the MSM to step up to make an announcement. Sigh.


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