Published: August 21st, 2011 at 6:32 am ET
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178 X Background Radiation in Saint Louis Rain 8/20/11, potrblog, August 20, 2011:
[...] The reading was taken at approximately 10:20am on 8/20/11 in Saint Louis Missouri from a vehicle that had driven approximately 4 miles through the trailing edges of a thunderstorm.
The sample returned a reading of 1.786 mR/hr, which equates to ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT times greater than normal background radiation. This reading is almost 3 times greater than are previous high reading of 62x background radiation. [...]
1.78 millirems = 17.8 microsieverts (Conversion calculator)
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJCRmaIDCQE
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Published: August 21st, 2011 at 6:32 am ET
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how many other’s have readings, besides this example? can you really base something on one guy’s findings, or would you like it to be backed up? also, this may be localized, maybe from some of the nuclear events that have occurred here. even if it’s from fuku, not surprising, just shows that there is indeed radiation in our atmosphere, and it will keep being there until tepco works a miracle to fix fukushima.
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Who’S to say that this is from Fukushima. The US has over a 100 nuclear plants and recently, there’s been fires at Los Alamos labs and other issues at nuclear plants.
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With high radiation readings, does it really matter where it came from?
It is just more proof that the overall nuclear power industry’s logic, that everything they do is safe, is flawed.
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and remember the oil that was found to be radioactive… in gulf of mexico
that oil
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I hope this Dude is aware of Arnie Gundersen’s mail in program. Like this Arnie will tell us what exactly is in this fallout shit-storm such as Sr-90, Pu-239 etc. I guess that might also be able to give an indication where it came from. As I recall there is even a way to tell who made the original nuclear fuel – part of the nuclear test ban treaty.
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Yes, I think each ratio configuration of the isotopes is traceable to a particular production location.
For example, we could tell if the uranium in Gulf Veterans’ urine was from some strange exposure to high levels of background, or if it was actually from the vaporization of the depleted uranium weapons used by the US, in which case the isotopic ratio of U238 was different (higher after processing than in ‘natural’ uranium, because they have removed most of the U235 for fissioning).
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You are a bloody MORON, and why do you even come here?
@jonjon You too !!!!!!!!!!!!
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that post was to “irradiated” not Darth, Jebus, et al.
But you guys knew that, only wanted to make sure THEY did !!!
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@IrC…
So whwt would you have us do, since the government has thrown in the towel, abdicated all responsibility, and refused to do even the most rudimentary monitoring? Should we just give up, resign ourselves to blindness and no information? Or should we be thankful for any amateur, individual, undocumented information we can get.
I am glad for any individuals who step forward to help. Sure I’ll wait for more validation, but since this is all we have now, I’m grateful for it.
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Sign me up! Tell me where I can buy a geiger counter and I’ll buy or order one immediately. And what kind should I buy??
The U.S. government has abdicated its responsibility (what I call treason) to protect its citizens and we have to act on our own. It’s as simple as that!
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Hell, the feral cat and her kittens living under a shed have more protection than we citizens!
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I would welcome a whole separate forum on this site (like the webcame forums) but just on geiger counters, buying them, using them, what they can measure and what they do not measure, radon gas problems, etc. I agree that the authorities have effectively abdicated their responsibility and are now in the pockets of the corporations. One high sample from St Louis may not be the end of the world, but I am glad they had the resources and guts to go out there and do it. We all should be doing this. I hope to purchase a geiger counter before the end of the year…but I want one that tells me what isotopes I’m picking up, and those are WAY more expensive I guess.
Anyone with a geiger counter, granite countertops, bananas and brazil nuts who takes international flights: please report your results, too! And the more samples from St Louis rain, Oklahoma rain, California rain, the better. The govt isn’t doing it. So we have to.
Arnie actually recommends taking samples from non-moving rained-on surface, in the dimension of 1 meter x 1 meter, not 3 ft x 3 ft. This is because rad measurements are standardized in some cases to ‘per sq meter.’ He also asks that people NOT send in samples UNLESS the geiger counter reads higher than background. I imagine one would have to choose a very clean cloth that can absorb most of the liquid from the 1 sq meter flat surface.
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Yes. We’ve got to do it ourselves. Here’s to the citizen monitors willing to step forward. Thanks!
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I have a Geiger counter. I’ve been measuring and reporting air measurements on the blackcatsystems.com radiation map. It can be seen online and in an iPhone app by them.
I have not done water tests similar to what you mentioned. Is there a link for how to do it per arnie’s instructions? Seems I need a 1m square cloth and some rainfall, which doesn’t happen often here. Anyway, a step by step would be great. I’m happy to report.
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xactly. Don’t know where to buy geiger counters, but there’s lots of info to explore on the tubes.
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I like the Inspector Alert. Cost $500. See Amazon.com
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IR says, “can you really base something on one guy’s findings, or would you like it to be backed up?”
No one is basing anything on this report. And thats just what it is, a report on what one person has found.
Yes, everyone would like it backed up with more reports, preferrably by a government that can be trusted to provide accurate readings, wheather those readings confirm or deny, we would like more reports.
And the radiation in our atmosphere will be there for longer than the miracle that Tepco will never provide. And it will only go higher when the next nuclear whoops we didn’t know accident happens.
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Jebus, I would not bother with this fellow. He sounds more and more like a troll with every post.
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Oh, I WILL bother this “fellow”, and any other “fellow” anywhere, anytime, that portends to discount the truth. I have had enough and I AM doing anything that my humble self can do to bring about the awareness of the destruction of our quality of life, and of life itself by the few who believe that mans stay on this planet is without regard for being responsible, and accountable for ones actions.
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every1 gona get the hit, pro and anti-nuclear
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Jebus – I am so glad that there are people like you around…..in fact there are so many people on this site that inspire hope.
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TY, I am just one of millions who care. Bringing us together to solve these issues is what is important.
IT motto: There are no problems, only issues seeking solutions.
“If we amplify everything we hear nothing” (J.Stewart)
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=363864
Whether we agree or disagree, we must agree to disagree and get on with the business of providing solutions to the issues that threaten our very existance and the future of our children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M2l33TdRvA&list=PL4D58B089E99738C4&index=6
If we work together there is nothing that we can not solve.
Be active, branch off from this site, post, speak, write. Do what your heart believes in and your mind will follow. Fight for your dreams and never give up, never give in…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p7wMBSN3wc&list=PL4D58B089E99738C4&index=3
But most of all give thanks for what you have and those around you for being there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa8-2WN-N48&list=PL4D58B089E99738C4&index=9
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You’re one of the good posters. There are many others. Irritated Californian contributes nothing and I wonder why he even wastes his valuable time here. I’m sure everything is just fine where he is. No need to pay attention.
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If you have been paying attention, there are people in Kansas City, Eastern and Western Canada, and Connecticut reporting high readings as well. The Kansas City man used a control before wiping his car windshield, and then the Geiger counter went off the charts. The Canadian reporter has his own Youtube channel and reported high radiation in rain at Lake Louise. The US government admits that it is there and says that radiation in rainwater is not a problem for anyone *not* getting their water from rainwater. Hello? Where do you think rainwater goes? Do you ever have anything constructive to say? All you can seem to do is repeat the same things over and over. You don’t seem to have a problem with radiation unless it is home grown?
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I live in Connecticut, and I have searched around for examples. What is your source? Just to be safe, I have been avoiding going out in the rain – but how far can one take this… We can’t just stop living. It would, however, be nice to know what we are facing.
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You won’t have to LQQK far !
Governor “very concerned” about radioactivity found in shoreline water sample
http://enenews.com/governor-very-concerned-about-radioactivity-found-shoreline-water-sample
Radioactive fish found in Connecticut River — State officials trying to determine source of Strontium-90
http://enenews.com/radioactive-fish-found-connecticut-river-state-officials-trying-determine-source-strontium-90
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Thanks, xdrfox. Bmurr, the news is there, and it’s everywhere. Yes, you can’t stop living, but you can take a few precautions.
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I have been looking at the EPA’s beta-count page regularly since I learned about it from majia’s posts. Here is the link for it:
https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/query.do
I have mainly been looking at Indianapolis and Fort Wayne, IN, where the numbers have been quite high for several hours every day this week. The average number seems like it should be in the 40s or 50s, but there have repeatedly been several hours of triple digit counts, sometimes ranging as high as the 300-range. On 08/16 the count in Indianapolis reached 365, on 8/18 it reached 368, and this morning, 8/21, it reached 243. Much of the time, it is in the 100 or 200-range. A couple days ago I looked at several surrounding states, particularly to the east, and there were similarly spikes in a similar time pattern in Ohio and as far a s Pittsburgh, PA (though with an hour or so time lag and somewhat smaller numbers, though still triple digits (100-range). I believe the high numbers in Nebraska that majia has noted are also continuing, though I haven’t checked today.
I am not a scientist, but the discrepancy between what the “usual” numbers apparently are and what they have repeatedly and consistently been rising to over the past week seems to indicate that something bad is going on, though I have no idea whether it is from FUK or Nebraska or someplace else. (I had looked at Albuquerque, NM, the other day and their numbers actually seemed comparatively–and surprisingly–low).
Another thing worth noting about this website is that a SIGNIFICANT number of the cities on the list contain no data–including both of the ones in Illinois the last time I checked–so the EPA is continuing to fail us (I know, nothing new there).
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That’s a great link. The conversion calculator at the top of this page also helped me to have a more accurate understanding of the different unit measurements used to describe radiation.
http://www.radprocalculator.com/Conversion.aspx
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Thanks for this conversion calculator link. All of the various measures they use can be so confusing, so this is a really helpful page.
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@ lam335
“a SIGNIFICANT number of the cities on the list contain no data”
“Florida”, V A C A T I O N & Disney World !
No readings !!
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Very suspicious! Farm areas in Calif.- no readings!! I am bummed because that’s where our food is grown and cows graze. A big city like San Jose, CA doesn’t have readings but has 184 stations. (i think). If one station is down, why can’t they just post the working ones? This is weird; and I hope it is just a glitch and not because the reading are so high.
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From what I can remember the entire west coast RAD Net has been shutdown(because they know how bad it really is and choose to conceal it to save $$). We really have to rely on independent reports from individuals. Gotta love the good old boy system our gov’t has evolved into…They don’t WANT to kill us, its just a “natural” byproduct of unchecked capitalism.
I have been informing my colleagues, family and others of this site as well as contacting my local congressmen. Perhaps with enough persistence, our elected officials will reinstate detection systems and actually give us some accurate information(of course we will have to verify the findings independently).
Thanks again to all of the contributors to the site, you have truly inspired me to educate myself and my peers on these matters of extreme importance.
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Believe me, I will be posting my findings in the SF bay area as soon as I can…
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I noticed that same spike in Ohio cities as well. Cleveland is usually quite low, but it spiked to 150 and above.
You can observe the trend line here:
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Cleveland-OH-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx
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I just noticed that Pittsburgh had readings on 8/19 of 411 and 379. It is strange that their readings were even higher than those of states to the west of them–don’t know if this is just a result of more sensitive equipment or something quirky about the way the jet stream moves–would a higher elevation expose them to more stuff from the jet stream? I believe Pittsburgh is at a relatively high elevation.
I also notice that these spikes seem to begin in the early morning hours, and then they seem to get lower toward the afternoon/evening every time (I believe the EPA’s time signatures are in Greenwich mean time–is that correct?). Would something about the time of day affect fallout from the jet stream (temperature changes maybe?). Otherwise, it seems strange that there is such a consistent pattern to them. Alternatively, if they have a domestic origin, is there some process nuke plants routinely do in the early morning hours that involves releasing stuff?
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Time of day effects the reading, but I think it is fluctuating more because of cosmic radiation than anything else.
The majority of the readings are probably from fallout, but what I mean is that it also includes other radiation sources, such as cosmic radiation. The earth’s magnetosphere is a magnetic field extending into space around the earth. It serves to protect the earth from cosmic radiation – which is abundant and comes from stars as well as our own sun.
But the magnetosphere is not distributed evenly like a circular shell. It is more like a windsock, thinner at the side facing the sun, and very thick and elongated at the trailing (night) side of the earth. See this link:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere
So radiation readings fluctuate with time of day because of this. I’ve been taking readings with a Geiger counter connected to a computer, plotting it by the minute each day for several weeks. It ends up looking like a sine wave which rises during the day and falls at night. From what I have read this is because of the contribution of cosmic radiation to the reading, which fluctuates in level between day and night.
But my guess is it’s only the fluctuation by time of day that can be blamed on cosmic radiation. The fact that the reading is so high is because of something more earthly..
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You can add the readings from the Toronto man to your list. Let me make a guess… there’s Los Alamos, Fort Calhoun, Fort Cooper??! Seems as if we have a media blackout on those nuclear power incidents. I can’t recall the video, but one of the videos referenced at Enenews stated that ten nuclear power plants in the U.S. are failing.
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Yes, Toronto has taken a heavy hit. I was in that lovely area ‘just north’ a few weeks ago. It was hard to look at the beautiful lake and realize that it was poisoned. Yes, I had a nice vacation with friends. No, I did not mention anything.
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T1 typed these pixels of light:
“can’t recall the video, but one of the videos referenced at Enenews stated that ten nuclear power plants in the U.S. are failing.”
That was the Arto Lauri HAARP/Methane ice/plutonium nightmare video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzwBDlLgnm8&feature=related
I am still mulling over the fantastic claims made in the video which scare the crap out of me if even part of it is true.
He said that 10 US plants had been stopped and 2 French plants were smoking and that the Germans stopped 9 plants which had the “inextinquishable reactor.” We do know that 8 German reactors were stopped immediately in March: See graph here for stop dates: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf43.html
13 German plants were licensed to burn the deadly MOX fuel and the French have about 17. I am not sure if the German reactors stopped in March were all MOX burners…research for another day. Perhaps BnB will know when he gets back from his two day walkabout.
AFAIK no US plants are burning MOX since Duke Energy abandoned their 3 year trial period early after experiencing some of the unpleasant side effects of MOX fuel, full details denied to the public by the NRC.
The NRC is promoting and has licensed a MOX fuel fabrication facility that has been under construction for 4 years in South Carolina. (see links below)
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=13820 2007 news release
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-US_MOX_plant_clears_licensing_hurdle-2608107.html
Above: 2010 news release in which they “glide” over the Duke fiasco.
I don’t know if 10 US plants have been stopped or were stopped as Arto claimed in his video. We know of several incidents and Ft. Calhoun is probably going to be in shutdown until next year as a result of flooding, but the other plants have only had stoppages of a few days or for normally scheduled refueling.
SP
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Obviously a spokesperson for the nuclear energy industry says:
Shutting Down U.S. Nuclear Plants Would Have Daunting Effect
On Economy and Environment, Says Carnegie Mellon Expert
http://www.cmu.edu/news/archive/2011/June/june17_nuclearplants.shtml
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Reposting James Tekton’s comment from another thread:
James Tekton
August 20, 2011 at 11:00 pm · Reply Report comment
Greetings and salutations to you all on this Sat Eve. It is raining…appearing as a welcome sight. Underneath the cool wetness though is a dismal discovery.
About an hour ago, we took a base reading of 55.5 CPM in the bathroom on a dry washcloth. The base readings here have been in the high 50′s as a normal background.
We then went out and gave the cloth a wipe on our square meter rain catch which had just been rained on and brought it in for a check.
Holy smokes! After checking it four times the highest reading was 282.6 CPM!!! We are doing ten minute averages. After another base check that is 54.4, we can now take that from the wet cloth reading and get a increased reading of 228.2 CPM! The local EPA site shows 2011-08-20 23:17:32-50CPM. ?:(
There is no doubt now that radiation is coming down in the rain here in the Durango, CO area. This is not a good turn of events here. The garden is wettened by the rain and we will be checking that next so stay tuned for more. Dang too, had the sights set on a nice salad tonight.
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I have been looking at the EPA readings with disbelief. Now I see that my view was merited.
James needs to get out of Durango! It’s such a beautiful area; an easy day trip to the San Juans or Mesa Verde. Oh, how sad. How heavy my heart to remember happy days there.
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There is really nowhere to go. He might as well stay.
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@noprevarication Good afternoon No, Now don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not a pro nuke jerk or trying to be a smart mouth. Your comment about dropping the goldfish in water to see if it dies from radiation disturbed me.I Speak as an animal lover, owner. worker. By using the fish to test for Radioactive fallout, are you not using that fish in the same way as some people on this forum who feel our government & Tepco are using us? Now don’t get mad at me I am sincere in asking this question. I have been reading this forum & others for a while & I got the impression that a lot of you kind of feel like you are being used the same way by Tepco ,government, Japan. That is to say like human guinea pigs.
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A tragedy in the making when Cesium and isotopes, the likes of which we know nothing about right now, are depositing in your town now when there’s no official mention of rad bio-accumulation on the news, period. Hillary nor Obama apologize for the ploy to give no access to monitoring of shipping containers, top soil, or air monitors that are scaled properly from city to city. Politicians are like sock puppets with fancy speeches to get them elected, then once in office they work only on problems that will bring them money and power and money, at times ignoring the senate and congress.
Please remember everyone, after rain, if you wipe down a 3 foot by 3 foot square with a paper towel and your rad meter goes nuts, send the sample in 3 plastic baggies inside an envelope, to Arnie. Go to Fairewinds Associates for the instructions and address. Rain-out mapping is in progress…YaaaaY! I expect the maps to get quite ugly this fall and winter. Suppressing rad measurement information is ridiculous. Thank God for the wise, down to earth sanity of scientists, that is, the ones who aren’t working for the man (although I suspect there are some who play along and keep mum to keep their jobs).
So far, can’t find local radiation monitoring in Sonoma County area and the rad meters seem to be sold out everywhere (although I’m thinking of getting some pens and a charger to put my mind at rest). There’s a lot of clay in these parts that’s great for the vineyards but possibly it sucks up all the rads and holds it versus a more sandy soil. Somewhere in a search there was mention that Sonoma Valley was fairly okay well, maybe. After all any ‘news’ outlet loves to act like that one measure of isotopes over there, well, it’s gone now, no worries. There’s no telling about water, soil, or air (= food, animals, taking walks, etc.) whenever it starts raining this year. Who knew we’d be thinking like this in 2011, hm? Most think I’m being paranoid but I’m simply not fooled when I know there’s a ton of radioactive isotopes flying high at 10-25,000 feet waiting for rain to bring it on down. Then again, some say only the paranoid survive-
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The good news is that September in Japan generally sees the wind heading west instead of east, so the U.S. might see less additional ‘plumage’ hot footin’ it on the jet stream to the West Coast. If Korea and China get radioactive plumage up close and personal, I hope they howl like mad to put more pressure on the Japanese to tamp down the lava action and the, well let’s see, there’s smog, vog, and now ‘ROG or NOG?’ Since the U.S. seems to have had it’s tongues (and maybe a few hearts at the top) cut out, maybe the countries closer to Fuku can get the wailing party started? Meanwhile, here’s what we can do to help the Japanese and ourselves (sorry if this was posted before):
‘Radiation Coming,’ Japanese mother’s message to Americans, how to help
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/radiation-coming-japanese-man-s-message-to-americans
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Will do! Rad meter (which I do not own) going nuts or not, I’m sending a sample to Arnie.
My garden has produced some fantastic yellow beans this season and I am soaking them in a big bowl of tap water for an hour or more before rinsing each bean individually by hand and draining them, then refrigerating them for at least eight days.
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Howdy hey folks. Thank you all for the kind mentions.
Yes, the background radiation here has consistently been in the 50′s CPM. It is like that in the whole region. The furthest check out there was in Telluride and it was in the 50′s also.
The present reading at the box here is 52.1 CPM after a ten min average. You all can be sure that we will be monitoring everything we can here as long as possible. Moving is not out of the question, but where to go other than going down south is the question. If you do not have a lot of money and connections in the southern hemisphere, it is difficult to find a nitch down there for the ugly americans.
It may be there is a considerable amount of radon here also, but the readings in the garden soil have been high. One reading was 209 yesterday in there so, well, it is what it is. A check of the Spinach last night revealed it was at 60.6 CPM after a rain, which is at the high of what radnet calls normal background.
What to do? Pray and give thanks daily for all the blessings. Live in the quality of every moment. Eat well. Detox. Fill the thyroid with good iodine. I believe the most important thing is to really live it up and live in purity. Do for yourself good things. I went for a long bicycle ride next to the river today and it was beautiful and nice to be out…until the rain started.
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Don’t get caught in the black rain !!!
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I really wish the Fl. vid had done some downspout/collection readings as well, a few checks on the way down from the hood only shows the most recent light activity.
I believe we have much more then 2.+x Bkgrd in Fl.
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Just remember how close St. Louis is to Fort Calhoun.
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yes, i think people missed the part or misunderstood when i said it may be ‘localized’, meaning from nearby plants. now yes, i know missouri and nebraska are a few states away, but if radiation gets into the water, and that irradiated water gets picked up into the atmosphere due to evaporation, that may be what is getting picked up. i, like many here, am just guessing.
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Dangerous Amounts of Radioactive Material in the Gulf, Dr. Busby warns, SHOCKING REPORT1
Gulf Oil Spill on Sunday, May 01, 2011
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/602/820/Dangerous_Amounts_of_Radioactive_Material_in_the_Gulf,_Dr._Busby_warns,_SHOCKING_REPORT.html
Seems we already have Radioactive Material in the Gulf waters via gusher last year !
Is it Radiation poisoning too ?? Sick Gulf oil spill workers !!
by xdrfox, July 24, 2010
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/112/572/Is_it_Radiation_poisoning_too_Sick_Gulf_oil_spill_workers.html
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xdrfox, your reports make my blood boil and my hair stand on end. Good God, the poor Gulf of Mexico!
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Not to scare just facts !
Wastewater from natural gas drilling in New York State is radioactive, as high as 267 times the limit safe for discharge into the environment and thousands of times the limit safe for people to drink
By Abrahm Lustgarten and ProPublica
WASTEWATER FOUNTAIN: Natural gas drilling in New York State could introduce unsafe levels of radiation into the drinking water.
http://www.reefrelieffounders.com/drilling/2010/01/15/scientific-american-natural-gas-drilling-produces-radioactive-waste/
The information comes from New York State’s Department of Environmental Conservation, which analyzed 13 samples of wastewater brought thousands of feet to the surface from drilling and found that they contain levels of radium 226, a derivative of uranium, as high as 267 times the limit safe for discharge into the environment and thousands of times the limit safe for people to drink. …
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=marcellus-shale-natural-gas-drilling-radioactive-wastewater
As the institute’s director, Kendall and a team of 25 other Tech scientists have been tasked with confronting one of the worst environmental disasters in American history.
No other team has the tools or the expertise that TIEHH has, he said. No other group has the decades of experience with wildlife toxicology. Kendall literally wrote the book on the topic. …
http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2010-07-21/tech-scientists-hold-nothing-back-battling-effects-gulf-spill
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I vote that we ignore Irradiated Californian.
This person is NOT in Cali., accepting these levels. They are well paid by the nuclear agency,…and I for one will give no more time on ‘the walking dead’!
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acceptance now will make it easier if and when it gets worse. i am in california, i just don’t fear what i can’t control like many here do. you can say it’s not fear all you want, but everytime something like this video pops up, people act surprised, like they weren’t expecting it, but just a few months ago that’s all people were talking about, ‘it’ll be in the rain, it’ll be in the crops’ etc. etc., and just because now we have a visual of somebody getting a high reading, people act as if they weren’t expecting it. my eyes are wide open to this, as well is my mind.
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Sure…IC..you were the one that accused us of wanting this to happen…
Unforgivable…
Ya…. you fear….
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And now that you have wrapped your limp brain around it…. what are you going to do about it?
Sounds like…. nothing…
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Irradiated Califorian=Head Sheeple
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what are you going to do about it? is posting here going to solve anything over there? no. it might help some, yes, but it isn’t going to make anything better. and i never said you wanted it to happen, i say with the way some act here it’s like you DO want certain things to happen. do i feel that way, yes, it’s my opinion. i have no fear, i am living my life the best way i can, while informing myself of these stories everyday. like i said, i don’t dislike enenews, i appreciate the info, i just dislike how certain people post here sometimes.
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A. YOU don’t know me..YOU have no idea what I do..
B. Who cares whether you like how certain people post?…you bring nothing to the table….perhaps sweaty palms…a little hand wringing.
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Open mind> Brain falls out.
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Stick around so I can punk you….
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um….yeah…
sure. i guess if you are on the internet as much as you or some others you feel you can ‘punk’ people over it.
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No..punk YOU…not people…YOU.
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ur terible .. lol
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lololol
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i’m laughing because you totally misunderstood my point, as many here do occasionally.
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so, “you totally misunderstood my point”
which is, YOU never really have a point except to debunk..
You are a MORON and need to work on deliver of “your point” Possibly ???
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Dear all,
I should think by now we are all more capable of either accepting or rejecting information without name-calling and threats. Sometimes that kind of behaviour reduces the readership of sites and actually is instigated by agents provacateurs. I welcome all comments here; this is a free and independent forum on Fukushima. Sometimes it feels like the only one! Collectively we have enough knowledge and info to respond civilly to any pronukers; some of them have been brain-washed, and their PR all sounds much the same once you get used to it. (Eg, usually pronukers make no distinction between internal and external rad, or between man-made ionizing rad and other kinds of rad, etc.) We are doing an amazing job of keeping up the conversation…the conversation we are having may someday be able to drown out the pronukers’ deafening global silence on Fukushima. People are at different levels of understanding here, and we all have our different ways of coping with the Fukushima information once we do understand it. At least the people here are having the conversation, even if there’s not much any of us can do, except dedicate the rest of our lives to fighting back against the deadly pronuker PR/corporate/govt lies on this issue. the rest of the world appears not to even be having this conversation about Fukushima and low level radiation, or so it sometimes appears. Blessings on anyone who is truly trying to absorb and face the full meaning of what is happening at FukuDai. We are few. Further blessings on anyone who takes action via demo, letter or blogosphere response. We are fewer, and we are fighting what seem like impossible odds. How DARE any government approve the opening of any nuclear power plant ever again? We must keep fighting THEM; and preserve our independent forum for reasoned civil critiques of inaccurate information.
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“if and when it gets worse.” ???
A C C U M U L A T I O N
Decay over months to hundreds of thousands of years !
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You know, we have a right to transparency.
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I welcome all posters to this forum. IC, your comments give me a tiny shred of hope, if that’s at all possible in this toxic nuclear environment. Usually, I go to bed with my blood boiling and hair standing on end from the comments I’ve read here, which is a good thing, BTW.
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@ StillJill …
I think we all get or want to be on the teeter todder occasionally, between the truth and wishful thinking of denial !
How we all wish we were not where we are in reality of the situation !
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@drfox – I agree with the walking the plank see-saw or roller-coaster ride.
Ladies, may I suggest we cut each other a little more slack. IR seems just fine to me just in case you need to rant at someone else for a while. Living on the West coast is to be in the “fire”. If your over 50 you will probably die from old age before a cancer from this mess. The concern is for the future of our species. From what I can see it’s all over except for the loooooong scream yet to be heard from all life in the centuries to come. Humans – you will not even be able to recognize them eventually they will become so mutated. May look like a new species of jellyfish that has evolved to live on land.
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While some cancers in some individuals, especially a 20 year old, may take 20 years to develop, someone 50 years old has already accumulated so much radiation and their immune system may be much weakened due to age and so many other environmental pollutants, a 50 year old’s cancer may develop much more quickly. Saying that someone 50 or older is more likely to die of old age is just a piece of disinformation to make older people more compliant and less likely to fight. Also a piece of disinformation because some want all older people dead so they can further raid pension funds and stop payments for health care.
People are showing up with leukemia in Japan already 5 months after the Mar. 11 nuclear disaster.
With so much radiation skyrocketing in the environment health effects of radiation with show up much more quickly than models based on less radiation in previous years. Also there is more and more radiation from cell phones and cell phone towers and the thinning of the ozone layer.
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Also older people’s immune systems may be weakened from plastics containing Bisphenol-1, GMOs and junk food and artificial sweetners and so many pesticides and herbicides, trans fats, carcinogenic dyes and preservatives added to food, etc., etc., etc…..
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Has anyone in the states or elsewhere been feeling just tired or more run down than normal at any age ??
I ask Q like this occasionally to look for any signs of reactions across the board !
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They Say it’s Safe – But it’s Unknowingly Destroying Your Liver
Obesity levels are now so high that many children are suffering from disease more commonly associated with alcohol abuse. Many of them will develop cirrhosis, and some will require liver transplants. …
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/19/why-do-millions-of-kids-in-the-us-have-liver-disease.aspx?e_cid=20110819_DNL_art_1
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Anne, they want us soon to be retirees dead, but I refuse to go quietly into the night.
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I say this because older people have fewer cell divisions going on than young people.
It seems you have an axe to grind here about some personal issue – your grandmother as I recall. A bit of a hot button?
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Anne is right. We are all in this together. But I am sorriest for the children.
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Cancer (breast) ‘totally unexpected’ reported in a relative, quite a young, active woman.
A sudden death of a newborn baby. Both events yesterday, Kansas City, Missouri.
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>Darth defends IC
Make that two defenders. I am tired of wasting my iPhone scrolling through personal insults against IC. Critics are not trolls. Get over it…and focus on the issues. If I read any more personal insulting attacks against anyone I will hit the Report link and ask the Admin to referee who is acting detrimental to the forum. It has not been IC. He may has pushed your buttons but he never called you names. Enough said.
Sickputer
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I think criticism can be helpful because it helps you better state your argument.
If someone starts swearing at me I wonder if I am reading the demented ravings of a person out of control (perhaps a potential serial killer or ecoterrorist?).
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If I peg someone as having a view point I really don’t want to hear, I skip over their posting, especially when I’m short of time which is practically all the time).
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Digital comments are so easily misconstrued… We have no oral and visual clues to aid our interpretations. And a typo or an awkward phasing can lead to countless interpretations. I was called a shill when I mistyped Ft. Calhoun and said Ft. Wayne. Since threads are not organized and disappear into the morass of Google advanced search, I did not even see the followup or respond to that insult for weeks until I was researching back posts in Google. I guess he thought I was Cool Hand Luke when I initially ignored his flame. Hah!
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I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant !
“Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.”
“I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
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>Xdrfox asks about fatigue which is a symptom of radiation poisoning
Put me down for a quadruple dose of fatigue and I am in fairly excellent physical condition. My massive nosebleed the week after Reactor 3 spilled its guts is aldo beyond the pale as I never had a nosebleed in my life.
Wife is ill with undetermined vascular problems and extremity swelling with all organs testing apparently OK. She is beyond fatigued and I won’t be surprised if she goes back fir another hosputal stay.
Other weird stuff… Another algae eater died in my aquarium… It was the first baby of the big ones I have and it was alive for two weeks and died five days after a water exchange.
And to top it all off my little black dog 20 months old has back legs dysplasia symptoms terribly apparent. He seems confused and bit me on the leg yesterday when I moved in his direction while watering the dogs wading pool and brushed against his nose. No blood, but teeth mark bruise and this is totally out of character for this sweet little dog.
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Well it seems that enenews prefers the company of shills….see ya….!
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Don’t worry, IC…I am somewhat of a critic myself…you are not alone! But I am imagining it is 5 years later…Cancer victims will have increased. I hope I am not one. I turn 40 in November, and am going to be working out at a YMCA starting around then.
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@ Sickputer
I wrote a ‘long’ response to your post, the site went down when I hit post !
I hope you both are going to be fine, sad to hear about the pup !
Another poster said some of his aquarium critters died the other day !
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I agree, Stilljill. You can’t educate someone who knows everything already. Irritated Californian’s post are eminently ignorable.
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More fun with uranium!
Laser Advances in Nuclear Fuel Stir Terror Fear
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: August 20, 2011
Scientists have long sought easier ways to make the costly material known as enriched uranium — the fuel of nuclear reactors and bombs, now produced only in giant industrial plants.
“The issue is too big” to leave to the federal status quo, said Francis Slakey, a physicist at Georgetown University and American Physical Society official.
One idea, a half-century old, has been to do it with nothing more substantial than lasers and their rays of concentrated light. This futuristic approach has always proved too expensive and difficult for anything but laboratory experimentation.
Until now.
In a little-known effort, General Electric has successfully tested laser enrichment for two years and is seeking federal permission to build a $1 billion plant that would make reactor fuel by the ton.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/science/earth/21laser.html
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….and yet more fun with uranium – Swede tries to build nuclear reactor in his kitchen!!
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1575592/Swede-tried-to-build-nuclear-reactor-in-his-kitchen
Needless to say, epic fail – but how come the authorities were so interested in this one, when they clearly don’t give a flying Fukushima about multiple melt-throughs in Japan?
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Now there’s something worth picketing! GE must be stopped!
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Begining to think the only way that will happen if some of thier plants blow up and kill us all, ….
: o
…. Oh that HAS HAPPENED and IN PROCESS !
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And the band plays on…
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xrdfow, you are right, ‘people will always remember how you made them feel.’ Also it is very easy to misconstrue an internet blurb, as was mentioned prior, lack of facial expression, gestures. Everyone should just let words to a Reply go with the flow but I guess if you need to release the pressure….Ahh, what a species.
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oops, xrdfox… Also, I do have extreme fatigue but I’m over 50 so it doesn’t matter. ;>)
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On your 50′s you shouldn’t have extreme fatigue, past that and still as much as my early 40′s !
Unless it is something since 311 !
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Lack of facial and tones of voice for visual and heard clues !
I wrote a article about this some years ago and posted it in many places, it help in some comment columns !
Wasn’t so effective on AOL chats ! LOL
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@ moonshellblue
How about a forgetful memory ?
LOL
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I agree. GE MUST be stopped from enriching more uranium. Where do we send our loud letters of complaint? Great idea to have at least one concrete action suggested per week, I say, so we are not all walking in knowing gloom while the rest of the world doesn’t even remember Fukushima.
Where do they want to build this monstrous $1 billion plant and how can we stop them?
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FRom the article:
General Electric, an atomic pioneer and one of the world’s largest companies, says its initial success began in July 2009 at a facility just north of Wilmington, N.C., that is jointly owned with Hitachi. It is impossible to independently verify that claim because the federal government has classified the laser technology as top secret. But G.E. officials say that the achievement is genuine and that they are accelerating plans for a larger complex at the Wilmington site.
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Anyone on this forum from North Carolina? Any anti-nuke groups already active in the area? Anyone know?
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OKay I followed my own advice, did some research, and found that a group called the North Carolina Waste Awareness and Reduction Network (NCWARN) has been resisting the licensing of new plants in North Carolina for several years now. I’ve sent them an email to see if there is any way we can help in any campaign against, and will post their reply here.
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KOOL !
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GE Laser Enrichment Facility Licensing
General Electric (GE) currently plans to use the Australian laser enrichment technology known as Separation of Isotopes by Laser Excitation (SILEX) to enrich natural UF6 gas in the uranium-235 isotope. GE is planning to conduct the project in two phases, a test phase and a commercial-scale enrichment plant phase. The Test Loop, which is being built at GE’s nuclear fuel fabrication facility in Wilmington, North Carolina, USA, will verify performance and reliability data for full scale (commercial-like) facilities. This engineering demonstration program is currently under construction. For the commercial-scale plant phase, GE submitted a license application, which is currently under review by NRC staff.
On this page:
Regulation and Legislation
Licensing
Environmental Impact Statement
Correspondence and Other Information
Public Involvement
Opportunity for Hearing
Project Schedule
For further information on GE laser enrichment Facility, contact us.
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http://www.nrc.gov/materials/fuel-cycle-fac/laser.html
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We are apparently too late…
Revision 4 was submitted on March 29, 2011.
http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1109/ML110960272.pdf
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Thanks for doing this work and sharing with us Jebus. I think I will try in future to do more of this, and try to make links between local groups and our enenews discussions, just so we are not facing our Fukushima future without also being able to take some action now and then, even if its just a damn letter to the sold-out nuclear regulators. It’s better than reading increasingly alarming info and having one doom-ridden realization after another and doing nothing. Any action, however small, seems to relieve me of the Fukushima paralysis syndrome…..
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GE moving top X-ray executives to China | Reuters
25 Jul 2011 … BEIJING (Reuters) – General Electric Co is moving its global X-ray headquarters to China from the United States as part of the largest U.S. …
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/us-china-ge-healthcare-idUSTRE76O3U520110725
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I’m sorry, but wiping the water off a car that has been driving all day is not a good way of doing things. I am not saying this is not significant, but there needs to be some more controlled studies by people that know what they are doing. This car could have collected particles from anywhere along it’s way. Has he been washing his car between samples?
I’m not trying to minimized the significance, but we don’t even know what the isotopes are that are providing these readings. We don’t know if this geiger counter is calibrated. Too many variables, not enough information, IMHO these videos are not helping the cause. I could go take samples from every day house hold items, i.e smoke detector, kitty litter, granite counter top, lawn fertilizer, so on and so forth, and show higher than background levels… doesn’t mean we are all going to turn into jelly fish tomorrow.
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You just know, deep down, that guys in suits have sat around boardroom tables laughing at how impossible it would be for the average guy in the street to get hard evidence on radiation leaks.
Actually bmurr you just had a good idea. That is a point worth testing, why not attempt to get a high reading using the methods you suggested, post your results – if your hypothesis is correct it will give everyone a ‘heads up’ as to what items to avoid, at the very least, or perhaps demonstrate that these high readings can’t be easily faked.
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Oh yes… These two posts reminded me…I do have an invitation to go talk with a supervisor at one of the world leading companies producing gieger counters. But his reaction to my “written” post on CPM rates in RadNet cities was to quote my intermediary… “fear mongering”
Hmm.. I’ll see if I can get that interview soon and see why he feels that way.
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I can’t afford a Geiger counter. I have considered collecting samples and documenting the dates and times. Atleast have something to test later? But even then, what good does it really do. I still feel that the best way to protect ourselves is to stop the use of nuclear power. I have no control over the weather…
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The best way to protect ourselves is to stop using nuclear power anywhere on the planet. That sounds like a UN treaty in the making. Except it would take 50 years for the member states to agree to it. I guess by then the consequences of TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima will be much clearer…might as well start now then. Anyone game?
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You have to start somewhere.
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@bmurr
I have an idea. Why not put a bucket under the drip of the roof of your house. Collect water in during the next rain. Then (I know this sounds cruel) drop a goldfish in it and see if it survives. A crude test, but would at least let you know if it’s radioactive. Then, send that goldfish to your choice:
The President
The EPA
Your Senator or Representative
and ask them if they think it died of radiation. Naturally, it would be a little smelly by the time it arrived.
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Im not sure that would be a very good test. And I’m not trying to be a wise guy. I’m just saying that I want more information. I also want to see better data gathering.
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@bmurr
Actually, I was trying to be helpful. That would be an inexpensive test.
However, I was being facetious about sending the dead fish to others. But, if enough of us did that, how could they ignore the fact that we have a problem.
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Most people can’t keep fish alive in clean water…
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I am sure sending anything radioactive to our Prez would reap you some serious time away from home !
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There is a simple test to run so we make sure this is not from normally occurring Radon gases.
Here’s the test. . . collect one good rain sample and continue checking it every 40 minutes over 4 hours. If the numbers keep dropping by approx 50% then you are likely getting the “Radon gas effect.” I was getting similar results (over 300 CPM) here in the North East the past several months. After dozens of tests, I realized something else was going on because my levels would steadily drop to normal. The math didn’t add. If the levels drop to normal in 4 hours the half life was to short (couldn’t make the trip from Japan).
“This half-life of approximately 40 minutes is a result of the decay chain of Pb-214 (27 minutes) to Bi-214 (20 minutes), both Radon decay products and strong gamma and beta emitters. Nothing with a half-life this short has made it across the ocean from Japan. ”
Here’s a link to one website that helped make sense of it for me. They were getting rain at 1,200 CPM only to have it return back to normal background 4 hours later.
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4126
It’s just as important to understand normal activity so we can recognize the abnormal. If your rain water sample remains high after the 4 hours, I’d send it to Arnie Gundersen @ fairewinds.com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF0hJtSeq0A&feature=player_embedded#!
Sorry folks, I’m with Heart on this one.
Everytime that person who shall remain nameless comes here it is to debunk. Snide remarks every time.
Sick of scrolling? how about putting a link to an aricle and then posting the complete article taking up room ?
Tit for Tat!
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Theypoisonous types: Sorry folks, I’m with Heart on this one.
Everytime that person who shall remain nameless comes here it is to debunk. Snide remarks every time.
SP: Seems I recall you caught a few flames yourself your first week here, but i don’t recall IC being “snide” … Just a few posters being rude to him.
If you are with Heart she says she is leaving so if you are “with her” then we will miss you both. The enemy is not IC… The real shills are sitting at Tepco and EPA and NRC desks and they pushed plutonium down our lungs… Not IC.
It takes a person comfortable in their self-worth to admit a mistake and apologize. I apologize if I am hurting your feelings now, but I have posted on Usenet 200,000 times in 21 years and I have never called anyone a moron or any other name.
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I ccan’t believe I just read all that nonsense just to make Spencer of the last few posts…
lets just admit that having a place to share our concerns is a valuable tool to relieve the stress of recent events. I personally feel more run down, probably from worrying so much.
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lol! A little levity here, but you have to wonder how many of us could actually be suffering from ulcers or just plain nerves and anxiety from worrying so much.
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im in stl.
did not rain check yesterday with paper towel. a reading of the rain on 7/7 with terra mks 05 showed .12microsivert per hour wet versus .08 dry.
was outside briefly yesterday and pm1208 was reading .07microsievert per hour.
will check grass with terra mks 05 and monitor 4.
in the meantime the hepas will be on high.
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terra mks 05: got .15micros in a potted plant, seems kind of high, have usually been seeing .12-.13
if cesium is falling down… it will accumulate… and these numbers will go up over time.
will check in weeks and months ahead…
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I’m with Heart ALL THE WAY also. Time is too precious for any stall tactics,…or making us run down stupid re-proofs! Period. Off to help those that see the problem!
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Nobody is making you do anything. You can read and help, but in the name of civility leave the name-calling alone. Chew out and spit out your reply if you wish, but don’t chew out someone who didn’t personally attack you. I learn more from critics than I do from fawning praise. If you don’t like a post then ignore it or refute it. But don’t make the signal to noise ratio stink worse than most lists already do. That’s why people like Arnie rarely if ever post on open forums because of the personal attacks.
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It is important that the community remain united while also allowing for respectful differences in view points.
I happen to agree that IC is a shill because his comments are not consistent with his biography, that he shared months ago (since I deal with young people in my work I have a good feel for their attitudes and writing).
However, let us not become upset or divided by our different attitudes about how to deal with or “out” those posters whose reasons for participating are suspect.
We all know that Enenews is being monitored and that efforts will be made to disrupt the community.
The DoD and other “intelligence” agencies see online communities as the future of organizing.
Efforts will be made to subvert opinion leaders and to create distrust among members.
The internet is a battlefield and we have to be careful that we are not turned against one another.
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Thank you majia, nice post and your website is very informative and I appreciate all the effort you have put into it. Thanks and again.
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It is getting to point where the main site goes “down” almost every morning I check it!…That can’t be complete coincidence.
As this crisis & tension wears on, I would like to sincerely thank EVERYONE for their interest and contributions on the forum. I’ve really gathered a lot, from hard data to man-on-the-street observations that provide valuable perspectives from all over the world–it’s great!
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Yeah…yesterday, for me at least, it was down for an hour or two.
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same here yesterday !
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I agree. Let’s preserve this space; ignore or refute, but I personally will report any further comments that contain uncivil name-calling, without engaging in discussion about it. We must keep this space safe and protected from agents provacateurs as much as we can.
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Good point, majia.
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My ability to get to this site was down as well as FOSL for about 4 hours, anyone else today ?
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Was down for me for a couple hour. Seems to happpen from time to time.
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I couldn’t get on for hours as well this morning.
I wonder if everyone was blocked — site down — or whether some people are being selectively blocked.
we should figure that out…
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I was unable to get on for several hours this morning. I think server was down. Donate a bit, and maybe he can get a bigger server and some backup sites.
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I couldn’t get on in the morning either.
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I was down as well, a lot this AM. Also, like two other posters said, one of my comments went into ‘the black hole’.
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Some times when we copy and past, also copy codes often that we do not see reposting but sometimes show up in the comment when post is sent, this will also be true in the “Tip Submissions (You remain anonymous):”
I was wondering if it is possible to cause some problems within the Adm system by doing so ?
I try to not copy them but do place on notepad first to remove many and clean up some blank place’s where they can be hiding before recopy and past in Tip Submissions or on comment block, I never use word-pad for this or documents for they can retain code and you may never see it !
Any programmers thoughts ?
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WordPress is a blog app. It will have many lines of code to parse out bad characters. You will note the unability to post most html tags.
“You can use these HTML tags” shows you the tags that are accepted. The Gateway 504 timeout you see means that there was a non response from server to server. The site was down. Could be from hardware, software, or a good probability of database issues. It is software and software has bugs, but in our case it is a good bet that enenews is being blocked at times at the domain level. Remember who has the control of the internet.
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Maybe enenews should have a few mirror servers in various places, if possible. I would feel like everything really was blacked out if we lost this site. When it was down this morning I wondered if something more serious was happening and therefore they had taken down the server….
I’m still waiting for the groundwater explosion….which seems to be something that a lot of lay and professional nukers agree is fairly inevitable…..eventually. I don’t trust the low TEPCO temp readings because the gauges are inside the containment building, and most (?) of the corium has left those three bldgs, right?
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I agree with your analysis
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Maybe enenews should have a few mirror servers in various places, if possible. I would feel like everything really was blacked out if we lost this site. When it was down this morning I wondered if something more serious was happening and therefore they had taken down the server….
I’m still waiting for the groundwater explosion….which seems to be something that a lot of lay and professional nukers agree is fairly inevitable…..eventually. I don’t trust the low TEPCO temp readings because the gauges are inside the containment building, and most (?) of the corium has left those three bldgs, right? Something is still periodically fissioning, and we are still getting lots of (1 terabequeral still?) from the melting occasionally fissioning coriums. This is my view of the reality we are facing. Does this seem accurate to everyone else, or have I missed something? Just want to check. Because according to TEPCO good progress has been made in “stabilizing” the reactors. (Which comes into the WTF? category really.)
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Arizonan do you want to connect with a tiny but growing group of other Arizonans who are monitoring this situation (1 has a geiger counter)?
We are in the Phoenix area.
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/14/20110814palo-verde-nuclear-safety.html
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Thanks Black Fan
ready to escape if I have to…
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I agree with you, I always feel a little disturbed when enenews is gone, wondering if it will come back again as it always does, or if it just won’t.
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The site was down for me too…… my dosimeter went up ten more milliroentgens ,this past week, now at 30mR. Still very low for the west coast….I had felt extremely fatigued march and april.Doing fine now in the energy department….Drxfox ,I appreciate the reminder from those wise words…thankyou….
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The author of the 178 x RAIN videos has been doing this for a long time. He knows what he’s doing in my opinion. He has many videos of tests he has performed. He has also done research into how the EPA censors it’s data. He has proof of that too.
The people who were smart and were able to purchase Rad Detectors several months ago have now started using them. Certainly there are those who are amateurs at taking readings and then there are those who work for Berkeley Nuclear. These so called ‘experts’ in engineering are more than willing to point out ‘uncertainties’ in any reading they can debunk. Yet, they sometimes ignore the obvious.
Simply said, regardless of amateur or not, the number of individuals testing and the number of ‘hot’ readings is ‘enough’ proof for me that MORE TESTING is critically needed!!!
(understatement)
It is ‘enough’ proof for me that we have been hit with a substantial amount of fallout and that it is continuing to accumulate with time.
(…and will continue)
Please, Please… ALL Independent Rad Readers, keep up the great work. Don’t let the naysayers get you down or throw you off track. Do your research, do your best to follow procedures and then call it good. (Video record or photograph it… just do it.) Performing the best test you can is better than no test at all.
THANK YOU!
wtg! – Potrblog
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I have the same read on Potrblog as ChasAha
He seems to know what he is doing and my bet is he has an advanced degree in the natural sciences because he is familiar with reading and critiquing academic journal articles , as evidenced by his reviews posted on the site.
I personally regard his data as reliable.
It is important to point out as many people have today that the EPA’s own data show readings that are dangerously high.
30-60 beta CPM is “normal” and anything 3X background is a health risk. At 300 CPM emergency responders must take precautions (e.g., protective equipment).
Some areas of the country, e.g., areas of Virginia, Texas, South Dakota, Iowa have had readings bouncing between 300-600 CPM for weeks now according to radnet data.
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Ordinary people should not have to test for radiation. The government has abdicated its responsibility (Canada was the first country to turn OFF its radiation detectors after Fukushima.)
Meanwhile, I have a bad nosebleed. Worst one since I was a kid, bright red blood with no apparent cause. That, together with the bad news from family in the middle West this morning, doesn’t make this day a happy one for me.
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J’ai dit le Coeur, elle gaspillait son temps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxsIeNmLlyw&feature=channel_video_title
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Good video Black Fan. Interesting comments. Disturbing.
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I now find it VERY interesting that sickputer can now speak for Arnie Gunderson. “That’s why Arnie doesn’t post’” Words have meaning.
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Funny…*;-) Let me rephrase that: That’s PROBABLY why Arnie doesn’t post.
Just my guess as is many of our posts which guess about matters dear to this list.
He says he reads articles, and probably reads posts here so his posting status or non-status is his decision and I do not speak for him.
I love the Internet and I was connecting with a modem to a mainframe in Houston two years before ARPAnet sprang to life in 1969. The old Unix days on the pre-WWW days of the fledgling Internet was a blast for us DOS heads and Mac heads alike (I am bilingual).
I was associated with some of the pioneers in computer technology and they almost invariably told me they didn’t like Usenet because of the signal to noise ratio.
Maybe that’s why I subconsciously “spoke” for Arnies lack of participation (hey, he says he does read us, so that’s nice to think he appreciates the research and comments).
I have been on many forums this spring and summer and the regulars here are smart and articulate.
I like it all, the good, the bad, and sometimes the not so good because I know in person we might have a spirited discussion, but we’re all there for the same cause…trying to protect our friends and family and our nations from annihilation from a danger mankind has never seen in this magnitude.
If things get really bad globally this list and probably all of the Internet will be diverted for military and government use so I’m going to get my money’s worth while we still have it. >;->
The “unquenchable” nuclear fires give me a deep chill and scare me and I don’t scare easily.
Take care…my wife is feeling sick again and we may go to the emergency room tonight for her chest pains and that’s more important right now than all my computer lists or my posts on the list. See you later and thanks for correcting my post…the difference between the right word and the wrong word…well we all know the Twain refrain.
SP
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I hope your wife gets well. God bless.
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I am with you on this matter.
In the begining there where a steady stream of people able to interpid anything coming out from Japan as news pamflets.
Slowly we have been overrun by people behaving in pre-pubertal ways.
We are not children and franckly some of you are downright idotic and knowledless in behaviour and coments in this forum.
I hate and despice qasi religious people, beliving that they have any devine right to intervine. And if we dont agree we are “corupted”.
And some of you have been sreaming so lowdly that the trail from the beging is gone.
It drowned in qasi religious gibberish.
And you constant yelling on radioactive fallout and its inplications, we dont know yet. Doe to the lack of mapings.
No I am afraid this site it drowning in rubbish and infantile behaviour. Grow up and if you dont like a persons aproche to the problem or their angles, then shutt the fu.. up, or agrument against it in a proper fasion. And dont start to throw around with Strwmans arguments, boring and plain stupid.
A level down below kindergarden(pardon, kids, its just a analogy). Does no good at all and just scears people away from a cuse we all as humans should fockus on, and not what our nabor is beliving.
Spreadthe news is a far more important issue.
Zen Proverb
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
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I hope that the news is good for you and your wife, Sickputer.
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To all seeking independent testing please see this link. My Geiger counter is connected here and readings are updated every 10 minutes around the world, including Japan. The unit for the numbers on the map is uR.
http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
Mine (and probably most folks on the map) is reading from indoors. I’ll see if I can find a good way to measure outdoors.
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