Reporter: Many experts now believe Fukushima’s melted fuel burned through the concrete floors and has gone down into the groundwater — “No one yet knows how deeply those 3 cores melted into the ground… No one knows where the cores are” (AUDIO)

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Coast to Coast AM – ‘Fukushima & Nuclear Issues, Mar 31, 2016 (emphasis added):

At 42:00 in — Linda Moulton Howe, Regional Emmy Award-winning reporter: “Five years later now in March 2015, no one yet knows how deeply those three cores melted into the Fukushima ground.”

At 44:30 — Howe: “In the first days of the March 2011 catastrophe, [nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen] told media that Fukushima was ‘Chernobyl on Steroids’. Arnie meant that the Fukushima disaster would turn out to be much worse than the April 1986 core explosion at the Ukraine’s Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Many experts believe now that the three missing Fukushima cores have melted right through the concrete floors, and are contaminating any water that reaches them — going down, perhaps touching, the groundwater.”

At 45:30 in — Arnie Gundersen, nuclear engineer: “Scientists and engineers knew exactly where the nuclear core was at Chernobyl a year later, but at Fuksuhima we’ve got three nuclear cores that are in direct contact with groundwater. Now that mean the containment broke and water is coming in and is contaminating the groundwater — so clearly the liquid releases from Fukushima are way, way more severe than Chernobyl.”

At 57:30 in — Howe: “The concept is… when water from mountain run-off reaches the ice wall, it will freeze or flow around the frozen ground out to the Pacific Ocean without passing by the highly radioactive melted cores. But everybody says, ‘How do you know that’s going to work because no one knows where the cores are, or how deep they are in the ground right now?'”

At 1:16:45 in — Howe: “[Fukushima] is a cleanup challenge that is now expected to take decades more, into the end of the 21st century — re-enforcing what Arnie Gundersen said five years ago in that very first week, that ‘Fukushima is Chernobyl on steroids’. And so far over these five years, it appears that he has been right.”

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  • Earthquake Alert Issued by Nukepro for Japan, Indonesia, Taiwan, Possibly Northern Russia, esp Inland

    Bristol Island and the Atlantic Ridge are fairly unusual places for large earthquakes. The whole North AND South American plates have slide over to the east. This fact AND the 22 EQ/D1.5 are now very quiet and now a bigger move on the Pacific Plate is now expected.

    – See more at: http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/#sthash.hunWrS2K.dpuf

  • Japan notes:

    I made several dozen observations while in Japan, and will sometime soon, type them up, it will be interesting reading for many.

    One quick note: On the way to Japan, I was selected for TSA pre-check. It appears that "they" are pushing this registation process. So they are selecting some people to "like it" and decide to register…to voluntarily submit themselves to investigation ahead of time, to avoid a shitty process they created.

    Just saying. BTW the pre-check was nice, fast, much less re-combobululation

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Special tool developed for fuel rod removal at reactor three. Attaches to robot. Two years to develop. Government subsidized, international cooperation made possible

    http://www.dx.com/p/kitchen-pasta-noodle-scoop-spoon-black-green-yellow-167749

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "Movie called "KILL COMMAND" Pretty good movie. Good actors, basic sci-fi. Examining robot use in military. Well done.

    Has a "Mechwarrior" feel to it.

    Peace

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oh, my ..salacious news.

    Fukushima cops launch search for decontamination worker’s body
    May 16 2016

    ttp://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/05/16/fukushima-cops-searching-for-decontamination-employees-corpse-in-iwaki/

    A case involving 6 decontamination workers?
    ONLY SIX?

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      This IS news. WTH??

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Unrelated, but…

      http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/01/yakuza-dispatched-decontamination-workers-to-fukushima/

      Yakuza dispatched decontamination workers to Fukushima

      An executive manager of a Yakuza group in Yamagata city was arrested for dispatching 3 ~ 10 decontamination workers to a construction company.
      The construction company sent them to Fukushima (Out of 30km area). The workers were involved in weeding.
      He was already arrested to have dispatched workers to temporary housing construction without the licence.

      Related article..[Column] 2 reasons why Fukushima Diary doesn’t cover the “shady” decontamination news [URL]

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      2013 Would love to quote more…

      https://www.rt.com/news/fukushima-workers-violations-yakuza-730/

      Revelations from a Fukushima cleanup worker-turned-whistleblower have exposed the plant’s chaotic system of subcontractors, their alleged mafia connections and the super-exploitation of indigent workers doing this dangerous work.

      The allegations, contained in an investigative report by Reuters, have also exposed deeply-rooted problems within Japan’s nuclear industry as a whole. In the report, detailing the everyday realities of workers at the stricken facility, Reuters interviewed an estimated 80 casual workers and managers. The most common complaint voiced was the cleanup effort’s utter dependence on subcontractors – which it is alleged endangered not just workers’ rights, but also their lives.

      Tetsuya Hayashi, a 41-tyear-old construction worker by trade, applied for a job at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, after he suspected that the plant was in deeper trouble than it was willing to admit. The $150 billion cleanup effort, which is expected to last several decades into the future, has already required up to 50,000, mostly casual workers.

      … … … However, even with the suit on, we exceeded his safe annual radiation quota in less than an hour. … … …

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Thanks for posting the link..HHD.

    I was busy repeating what Susan Rice ..just said.

    Susan Rice: Japanese Government Has Not Asked Us To Apologize For Using Nuclear Weapons
    May 16 2016

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/susan_rice_the_japanese_have_not_asked_us_to_apologize_for_using_nuclear_weapons.html

    But they haven't ask us.
    Like an abused wife ..are they going to ask?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Seems the abused wife ..likes getting kicked in the teeth sometimes.

  • Jebus Jebus

    The US didn't just nuke Japan. We nuked ourselves first…

    The downwinders from trinity on, want an apology.

    As Obama plans Hiroshima trip, N.M. town near A-bomb test site wants visit, apology

    Following the Trinity Test, residents of the mostly Hispanic and Native American towns downwind of the site allege, a wave of cancers and other illnesses began to sweep through the areas of southern New Mexico.

    Over the decades, locals have demanded that the government acknowledge the connection between the radiation exposure and health problems. Tularosa "downwinders" have been largely ignored for the last 70 years.

    The National Cancer Institute, at the behest of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, surveyed residents who were believed to have been exposed to radiation from the Trinity fallout and food and water that was contaminated by the blast.

    According to historical records at Los Alamos National Laboratory, Southern New Mexicans were never warned about the Trinity detonation or advised to take safety or dietary precautions either before or after the blast. The Los Alamos Historical Document and Retrieval Assessment Project also concluded that radiation levels in some public areas were 10,000 times what was considered safe exposure.

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2016/05/12/as-obama-plans-hiroshima-trip-nm-town-near-bomb-test-site-wants-visit-apology/

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    I'm afraid Heart has stumbled upon noteworthy news indeed. And it get's worse. Nuclear: What a scam.

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/12/national/social-issues/fukushimas-decontamination-workers-from-the-margins-of-society-are-being-exploited/

    Fukushima’s decontamination workers from the margins of society are being ‘exploited’

    by Mari Yamaguchi

    MINAMISOMA, FUKUSHIMA PREF. – The ashes of half a dozen unidentified laborers ended up at a Buddhist temple in this town just north of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.

    Some of the dead men had no papers, others left no emergency contacts. Their names could not be confirmed and no family members were tracked down to claim their remains.

    They were simply labeled “decontamination troops” — unknown soldiers in Japan’s massive cleanup campaign to make Fukushima livable again five years after radiation poisoned the fertile countryside.

    MORE.

  • and all the dead whales and dolphins and…not just from the nuking of fuku but from navy mil sonars:
    This is on Thursday at 9pm in the PNW Discovery channel:
    https://www.facebook.com/Sonic-Sea-874210062674694/
    a must see for those who care about the ocean, or should.
    Tell a friend.
    Tell an enemy.

  • Sonic Sea Trailer

    Every day, whales, dolphins, fish and other marine life are threatened by industrial noise from shipping, seismic exploration for oil and gas and naval sonar used for routine training exercises.

    From our Atlantic and Pacific coasts to the wild Arctic, this endless barrage of noise impairs our planet’s vulnerable marine mammals’ ability to communicate, find food, navigate and breed. And it’s completely avoidable — if we rise up together now and demand change. Please share!

    https://www.facebook.com/SonicSeaFilm/videos/vb.874210062674694/947159638713069/?type=2&theater

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. skizexq. Ty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88o56AkT3bs

      Japan Scientist/Radiation Pouring into Pacific/CA's Beaches/Now Marine Graveyards/Fukushima

      BPEarthWatch

      "North America will not be safe from Fukushima radiation if plant keeps leaking — Animals “suddenly died” on west coast right after 2011 disaster…“Fatally high” levels of radioactive material has entered ocean… serious pollution is ongoing."

      "The beaches are becoming mass graveyards."

      "Not one politician is talking about it."

      "It is destroying the planet."

      Peace

      • jec jec

        It was not just animals…how many sudden cases of human pancreatic cancers..thyroid cancers..birthdefects, premature births, stokes/heart attacks and diabetes?? If there were available data figures, someone should be mapping this out. Sadly, its difficult if no impossible to find good data/information and the governments(US/Japan) are hoping NO ONE looks closely.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

    Like they know they contain plutonium, etc.

    Thousands of tuna crab wash ashore in Imperial Beach
    “…Experts are advising that people do not eat the crabs because they may be covered in toxins. …”
    http://www.cbs8.com/story/31949244/thousands-of-tuna-crab-wash-ashore-in-imperial-beach

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    State of Morro Bay, California; 4.6 years into the Fukushima meltdown by Nuda Waya January 2016 Reports 2 brown pelicans

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNEiYPeD98E

  • This is the best that "science" gives us.

    The fate of our civilization rests solely on a rag tag bunch of citizen scientists fighting against corporate interests and the "Einstein Hoax"
    ————————————————-
    Ordinary matter, the kind that makes up people, planets, the sun and stars, makes up only about one-sixth of the universe's matter, while mysterious dark matter makes up the rest.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-probes-witness-powerful-magnetic-storms-near-earth/

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. stock. Ty. Super Nerds. For all their accomplishments at NASA, there is still one big failure; no means has yet been found to protect instruments, and astronauts from "Cosmic Rays". Over sixty years…zip. Peace

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Decommission Halted During G-7 Summit

    "TEPCO announced they will halt all decommissioning work at Fukushima Daiichi during the G-7 Summit. The summit will be held in Mie Prefecture, roughly 700 km from Fukushima Daiichi.

    "So why the precaution?

    "If there is work at the disaster site that is so dangerous it would potentially impact foreign dignitaries 700 km away, what kind of risk is the population of Japan under all the time?

    "This is either an over reaction of TEPCO where they so fear any minor bad news, even if it wasn’t a risk to the summit, or there is a real risk they are not clearly admitting to the public."

    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=15477

  • The $440B per year nuclear cartel has "convinced" our governments and our "best and brightest <not> grant whore scientists" that loading our oceans with manmade radiation is NO PROBLEM. They compare the un-natural toxins to the ever present Potassium 40, aka present in seawater, soil, and of course Bananas!

    Yet science shows that the very important biological structure, Chitin, absorbs radiation like a sponge, bio-magnifying the radiation up to 2,000,000 what is present in sea water. Here is the scientific proof from a Citizen Scientist

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/02/a-scientific-basis-for-destruction-of.html

  • curly

    I read that people actually went out and physically protested against petroleum use over the weekend. The msm article didn't name what organizations were involved. I'd like to know when demonstrations are planned in the future so I can protest. Does anyone here know who to contact about getting involved?

  • Sol Man

    Highly energetic particles burn outside and inside. Nature's most sacred thing. the genomes, are at risk. We can't peel off the northern hemisphere and go to safe zone in the southern hemisphere.
    We are the toast that we're looking for.

    This is what worldwide fascism is capable of. The Life Force has been sold down the river (Styx.)

  • Fukushima emissions look quite high today on webcam 1.

    I checked the Asahi Shimbun for news and saw that Japan had a significant earthquake northeast of Tokyo in Ibaraki:

    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2016/05/strong-earthquake-near-fukushima.html

    AP. UPDATE: A strong earthquake has shaken Tokyo and other cities in eastern Japan. The Asahi Shimbun, May 16, 2016, http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201605160068.html

    The earthquake is reported as 5.6 but I don't know whether that is the Japanese scale or the US scale.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    All spent fuel at Fukushima can now go into dry cask storage.
    Typically, nuclear operators wait at least 5 years before putting spent fuel into dry cask storage.
    Tepco, however, seems intent on delaying removal of spent fuel to dry cask storage.
    The plan was to have dry cask storage yards at Fukushima, housing all spent fuel from 6 reactors and the common spent fuel pool stored on-site in 240 dry casks.
    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=8638

    It has now been more than 5 years since the onset of the Fukushima disaster.
    So far, only the spent fuel from Unit 4 SFP has been moved to the CSFP.
    Why haven't the contents of SFP 5&6 been put into dry cask storage?
    Why hasn't the pre-3/11 contents of the CSFP been placed into dry cask storage?
    At the very least, these tasks could have been done by now.
    Should have been done by now!
    But there is no news out of Tepco on this matter.
    Why the hell not do what you can safely do now?

    If something happens in the future, that drives all workers from the site, you will wish you had done something about spent fuel sequestration while you had the chance to do so!

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Decommission Fukushima In Five Years (Not 40 Years)

    1. Locate and map missing Unit1-3 corium in 3D. (Adapt Plan to new data, as necessary.)

    2. Fill corium lava tubes with borated concrete, or with borated sand mixture, as deep as you can pour.

    3. Fill torus, torus basements, containments, reactors, and reactor buildings 1-4 with borated cement, or borated sand mixture a la ENEnewser and fire fighter Markww's formula.

    4. Fill spent fuel pools 1-4 with borated concrete, or borated sand mixture.

    5. Excavate to 100' depth around Units 1-4 following the path of the soon-to-fail Frozen Wall.

    6. Excavate and pour reinforced concrete floor 50' thick under reactor ruins of Units 1-4.

    7. Pour a buttressed 50' wide reinforced concrete foundation in the 100' deep excavation around Units 1-4.

    8. Pour a buttressed sarcophagus 150' high on the foundation, filling between and around buildings with sand.

    9. Top sarcophagus with a heavy membrane roof to withstand earthquakes, and to contain outgassing.

    10. Treat all contaminated water in ALPS, load into barges, salinate and refrigerate the water, sink the barges at sea into offshore trench.

    11. Build a second concrete harbor around the existing harbor, with locks for ingress and eggress.

    12. Cement the floor of inner and outer harbor to sequester blast debris.

    13. Uphill, build concrete waterways to capture groundwater, and channel around all 6 reactors into the ocean.

    comments?

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The five year decommission schedule can only be met if Tepco is nationalized or removed entirely.
      Japanese Army must supply all manpower for the operation.
      Japanese government must fund this project in advance, as needed, per plan budget.
      No five day workweek.
      No subcontracted workers.
      Work will proceed 24/7/365 in 3 shifts per day.

      The project motto will be:
      "Get 'er done! " 😉

      Plan and budget will be based on five year completion schedule from time of full approval and full funding.

      Japan, do you want Fukushima decommissioned, or don't you?

      Tepco, where is the damn corium? 😉

      The entire world wants to know right now.
      3D map of the corium from Units 1-3, please.

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. PhillipUpNorth. "6. Excavate and pour reinforced concrete floor 50' thick under reactor ruins of Units 1-4."

      This would be a "tuffy". It is terribly hot around there. However some cement could be pumped under the reactor buildings through horizontal well bore holes that follow permeability layers in the strata. The cement would go in the direction of least resistance, which is laterally. If the bore hole strikes any vertical faulting, that gap could be filled with cement, before continuing.
      They couldn't get 50' of cement without affecting the buildings, but they might get the height of cement equal to the depth that the buildings have sunk, or slightly more.

      The technology exists to contain the radiation at Fukushima, but some "things" preclude the application of this technology.

      Somewhere in the back of my mind is a voice saying,

      "Fukushima can't be fixed."

      Peace

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Boring large holes horizontally under the Reactor Ruins presents, perhaps, the largest obstacle to the on-time completion of the Five Year Fukushima Decommission Plan.
        Large fully automated, remote-controlled boring machines would be used.
        http://image.slidesharecdn.com/5-constructionequipment-120513163711-phpapp01/95/5-construction-equipment-building-construction-39-728.jpg?cb=1336927214
        A machine capable of boring a horizontal hole with a diameter of 30' under Reactor Ruins 1-4 would be used.
        The machine would have to be remote controlled.
        First, this machine would bore a series of holes, 30' in diameter, about 20' apart, through the bedrock at the 100' level of the foundation excavation, completely underneath Reactors 1-4.
        Those holes would be fitted with rebar cages, and the concrete poured.
        Then, additional horizontal holes would be bored between the poured concrete tubes, to connect the existing concrete tubes together into a floor.
        Additional concrete pours would connect the separate tubes into a complete floor of reinforced concrete running underneath Units 1-4.
        ISeePinkClouds, such horizontal concrete floors have been poured in other applications, and there is no reason such equipment cannot be modified with remote control automation for use at Fukushima.

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          The horizontal reinforced concrete floor under the Fukushima Sarcophagus Foundation depends entirely on creating an accurate 3D map of the corium from Reactors 1-4, as they lie in the ground under those reactors.
          It is vital that construction of this floor, and of the foundation for the sarcophagus to be built over Fukushima Units 1-4, not encounter, nor disturb, the corium lying in the ground under the reactor ruins.
          This is why IMMEDIATE IMAGING OF THE CORIUM IS JOB ONE at Fukushima.

          BTW…
          The M5.4 earthquake just north of Tokyo is now making news on the MSM.

    • It is illegal to dispose of nuclear waste at sea.

      Don't give them any ideas.

      There is already enough radiation going into the ocean to kill it long term.

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Doc,
        They're already planning to dump that contaminated water shit inna Ocean, ya betcha!
        The best idea is to put it through the ALPS system first.
        Then sink it in that deep offshore Trench.
        In barges, so it will stay put,
        With the temperature lowered by refrigeration (so if it leaks, it won't float to the surface).
        With same salinity as the deep sea (so it won't float to the surface).
        There is a lot of water in those tanks.
        It has all gotta go somewhere.
        Do you agree, that matching ocean temperature and salinity, and sinking it in barges, is better than allowing them to dump it into shallow near-shore surface waters, as they are now angling for?

        • Nope, best bet according to Busby is keep it right in sight, and guard it forever, so you can SEEE what is going on with it.

          You really want to hand off a huge problem to grandkids, when those barges rust open, and that radioactive water comes up via natural ocean circulation on someones shore and wipes out the ocean life later on?

          Better to be accountable for poisons today, here and now. If it kills, let it kill know, not two or three generations from now, when our grandkids will curse our name.

          • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

            I agree with Busby. Keep the waste in sight, under guard, forever. Once it is burried or sank out of sight there is usually no chance to clean it all up later. Out descendants will struggle to understand wtf we were thinking with all this nuclear death waste spread all over

            • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

              Just look at Hanford's nuke waste dilemma. The nuker brainiacs who keep pushing for ever more nuke wastes to be generated have no f'ing idea how to even begin cleaning up al those tanks of nuclear waste, let alone the thousands of rusty drums tossed into unlined trenches and burried with who knows what leaking into the Columbia

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Preliminary IEA figures indicate that in 2014 Japan generated 1025 TWh gross, 337 TWh from coal, 413 TWh from gas (up from 300 TWh in 2010), nothing from nuclear (cf 288 TWh in 2010), 114 TWh from oil (up from 94 TWh in 2010), and 87 TWh from hydro. The country’s nuclear capacity was progressively shut following the March 2011 Fukushima accident. Renewables contribution in 2014 was small: solar 24 TWh, wind 5 TWh, geothermal 2.6 TWh, biomass & waste 42 TWh. Final consumption in 2010 was about 1000 TWh, or about 7870 kWh per capita. This dropped to 950 TWh and 7480 kWh/capita in 2013."

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/japan-nuclear-power.aspx

    Japan MUST transition to an energy non-nuclear mix, lead by solar, wind, geothermal, and tidal energy.
    Japan must close all nuclear power plants, and must decommission all 54 nuclear reactors.

  • Sol Man

    Here is a sure sign of failed business models: if whatever corporations consistently can not make a profit, then, pay (off) the politicians to force the taxpayers, current and future, to foot the bill for all losses.

    It is the sign of a failed politician as well. One that did not represent the best interests of the REAL people.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Look up the word "Abolish"

    Tepco says they abolished the Fukushima reactors

    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/outline_f1/index-e.html

    No mention of MOX reactors in their abolishment. It just says uranium dioxide.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    I keep hearing that the level of radioactivity in Tokyo and other places closer to Fukushima are similar or lower than the radioactivity in London and other European cities.

    Arnie Gunderson has stated that samples of soil he took in Tokyo would qualify as toxic waste in the USA, requiring hazmat special handling. Is the soil in London or other European countries similar — would they qualify as nuclear waste in the USA?

    Something doesn't add up here.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    How is Tepco going to handle spent fuel at Fukushima in the coming few years?

    There was, perhaps surprisingly, no plan to build second common spent fuel pool.
    Seems logical to get the spent fuel out of the reactor buildings, and down to ground level where it wouldn't be so vulnerable to earthquake-caused SFP failure.
    How could Tepco not, at the very least, empty SFP 6&7?
    Didn't happen.
    Seems as if nuclear engineers are so used to having SFPs up in the air 100', that there seems to be no concern at all about their vulnerability in a high earthquake zone.

    The early focus was on on Unit 4, which seemed in danger of coming apart.
    Of great concern early on, the contents were removed to the CSFP.
    Good.

    Now that five years have passed, why couldn't all, or most, of the spent fuel go right from SFPs into dry cask storage?

    I read an article a few years ago (2013) about a dry cask purchase by Tepco:

    "The order from TEPCO consists of 11 casks in which a total of 452 spent fuels can be stored. Eight other casks will be delivered to TEPCO in the coming weeks. These deliveries are an important step in the decommissioning process of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant."
    http://www.areva.com/EN/news-9720/areva-and-its-japanese-partner-kobe-steel-deliver-the-first-dry-storage-casks-for-spent-fuels-of-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant.html

    The plan if to have a total of 240 dry casks, eventually.
    Very expensive.
    Hence the foot dragging.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Tepco's plan is to move all the spent fuel into dry cask storage yards on site.
      There will be 240 dry casks atored at ground level somewhere on the Fukushima nuclear reservation.

      Most ENEnewsers agree that Tepco will probably have to abandon their dreams of removing the corium from Units 1-3, and putting it in dry casks for storage.
      The corium is too hot, too subject to criticalities if disturbed, and too difficult to remove and handle.
      The alternative is to leave the corium where it is, and to sequester the debris within a sarcophagus.

      If a sarcophagus is built, there is perhaps another way of handling spent fuel in Units 1-3.
      Simply leave it in place, in the SFPs.

      SFPs 1-3 could be dewatered, with the water replaced by borated concrete or ENEnewser Markww's sand mixture.
      The filled SFPs would simply be subsumed into the larger sarcophagus structure, covered by sand and/or concrete.
      This strategy would be by far the least expensive way of dealing with the spent fuel from Units 1-3.

      Can some of you ENEnewsers with nuclear industry experience please tell me why burying spent fuel inside the eventual sarcophagus isn't a good idea?

      • ISeePinkClouds

        Yes. PhilipUpNorth. Ty. I think that you are set up perfectly for a mailing campaign. It might do more good than a hundred tons of borated cement.

        The big problem with Fukushima is that TEPCO somewhere early on decided to lie about the severity of the disaster. Now we get more lies to cover up lies. We sift through a ton of lies to get an ounce of half-truth. Meanwhile, the Whole Planet is Dying.

        What gets me the most is the realization that the Japanese Guvernment itself, through lies and disinformation, is actually preventing people from taking the necessary steps in order to protect their lives, and is even now forcing evacuees back into contaminated homes, which is, a death sentence. The Japanese Government is actually killing the people that put their trust in that Government to protect them.

        Imagine that.

        Peace

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Japan is toast.
          The people there each have their own little piece of hell inside.
          Lungs and guts, bones and blood.
          Only poisoned air to breathe.
          Only poisoned water to drink.
          Only poisoned food to eat.
          In 20 more years, the sick will be caring for the dying.
          Japan is toast.

          TPTB understand this very well.
          Those people are already doomed by their fatal doses.
          Tokyo wasn't evacuated, so even Tokyo is dosed and doomed.
          Cheaper to have people go back to their villages.

          The Pacific Ocean Ecosystem is collapsing.
          You'd think some of these marine biologists would care enough to be honest with the people, about what's really going on.
          But no.
          Groundwater flows through the nuclear reservation, 1,000 tonnes a day, carrying corium into the sea.
          Scientists say, "We are mystified about the dieoffs we're seeing."

          So makes no difference where they live now.

        • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

          The Japanese govt is trying to cover up their "secret" nuke weapons program. Fukushima Daiichi and Daiini are two nuke weapons sites. Japan and Tepco cannot come clean about Fuku; it would shine light onto their secret WMDs program. No significant foreign assistance has been accepted by Japan. Japan was making plutonium for warheads at Fuku. Rokkasho spent fuel reprocessing plant is the key facility for Japan's nuke weapons program. Residents around Fuku Daiini tell of secret, highly secured, underground nuclear facilities in the hills west of Dainni nuke plant. Immediately following the big EQ, Japan and Tepco sent more resources and workers to these secret underground nuke sites than they chose to send to Fuku Daiichi. Nuclear power is a lie. Nuclear power is ALWAYS a path the nuke weapons production.
          Ban Reactors Forever
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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "At 57:30 in — Howe: “How do you know that’s going to work because no one knows where the cores are, or how deep they are in the ground right now?" "

    Where is the damn corium, eh, Tepco?

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Ongoing Criticalities In Fukushima Corium

    The presence of Iodine-131 in the sewage sludge proves ongoing criticalities in Fukushima corium.
    http://optimalprediction.com/wp/iodine-131-surge-in-japan-strontium-90-nightmare/
    Fortunately, the Japanese have measured and published levels of Iodine-131 in sewage sludge of nearby cities, including Tokyo, since 3/11.

    Iodine-131 is an isotope that occurs during nuclear fission.

    The half-life of Iodine-131 is 8 days.
    Since the isotope has such a short life, it indicates that criticalities within the corium are quite recent.

    Iodine-131 causes thyroid cancer.
    The presence of Iodine-131 in sewage sludge indicates that it is falling in rainwater, and is in the drinking water supply.
    Since 3/11, people throughout central Japan have been drinking Iodine-131, cooking with it, bathing in it, and washing their clothes in it.
    Considering that Tokyo is a city of 40,000,000 people, and has experienced high levels of Iodine-131 measured in sewage sludge, this is a serious health crisis.

    What Is The State Of The Corium?
    Iodine-131 indicates ongoing criticalities at Fukushima.
    As this thread clearly states, the missing corium from Units 1-3 is in the ground.
    The molten corium is heated by nuclear fission, and not by decay heat alone.
    Corium is quite unstable, as indicated by spikes in Iodine-131 output over time, as can be seen in the graphs in my link.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Corium in the earth emits gases due to ongoing criticalities.
      This is proven by the high levels of Iodine-131 in the sewage sludge of nearby cities.
      In addition, corium debris within the aquifer down to a depth of 100', are leached into groundwater.
      An underground river under the reactor ruins flows at an estimated rate of 1,000 tonnes per day.
      Dissolved nuclear debris end up being washed into the harbor, and into the sea.
      If the corium has now penetrated the earth to a depth beyond the aquifer, glass-lined corium lava tubes will have been left behind.
      These corium lava tubes are filled with groundwater, no matter how deep they go.
      Nuclides bubble up through the water, and are vented into the atmosphere through the ground and reactor ruins.
      Each of these corium lava tubes must be located immediately.
      They can be sealed with an underwater concrete pour, delivered through pipes put in place using slant-drilling technology.
      As much concrete should be poured, as necessary, to completely fill the corium lava tubes, even if some are kilometers deep.
      This must be done before work on the sarcophagus can begin.

      It is vital that any long-range planning for Fukushima Diiachi includes construction on a concrete outer harbor, fitted with locks to keep contamination within the harbor.
      The floors of both inner and outer harbors should be cemented, in order to cover nuclear debris, which rained down during the violent explosions which destroyed Units 1,3,&4.

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        The inner harbor has already received a first coat of concrete.
        Now, it is necessary to divert the underground river around the reactor ruins.
        By moving uphill from the reactor ruins, to a safe distance, concrete water diversion walls and channels can be placed deep into the ground, using conventional civil engineering and traditional construction techniques.

        Once the groundwater diversion structures are in place, locks can be built at the mouth of the harbor, to block the flow of nuclides into the ocean.
        Then the second concrete outer harbor can be built around the entire nuclear reservation, including Units 5&6.
        Groundwater diversion channels will empty outside the walls of the outer harbor.

        The Pacific Ocean Ecosystem is in a state of collapse.
        But even this severe damage can be overcome in time, as life returns.
        Perhaps.
        But no recovery is possible, while Tepco and Japan continue to deny the severity of the disaster, and continue to do nothing to remedy the dire situation at Fukushima.

        • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

          Is there any such thing as an underground dam that diverts groundwater or stops it's flow to a particular area?

          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            Ya, HillbillyHoundDog, for sure.
            Except even a dam must spill excess water.
            What they would do at Fukushima is to divert water to the north and south, around Units 1-6.
            The wall or dam would extend from just above ground level down to the impermeable rock layer that serves as the lower limit of the aquifer.
            I call it a "groundwater diversion structure", but you might want to think of it as an underground dam.
            The further you go inland for this structure, the deeper the wall will have to be in order to get to the bottom of the aquifer.
            The deeper the wall, the more it will cost.
            On the other hand, the tank farm has leaked highly contaminated water from the beginning, so they have little choice but to put this structure well inland, around the tank farm, and all the way to the ocean on both sides of Units 1-6.

  • Sol Man

    I am reading here with the news on in the background. The news woman said, "The pollen is going to get worse!" I thought she said the plutonium. Me and my imagination…

    But, it will.

  • razzz razzz

    The whole cleanup operation at Daiichi is a scam. How do you contain something you can't see because you don't know where it is?

    The easy part has been done at Unit 4. The hard part is removing spent fuel from Units 1,2&3. The impossible part is finding the (3) melts as they slowly erode.

    Japan will halt all cleanup at Daiichi and temporarily stop burning Daiichi rubble in incinerators during the upcoming G-7 meetings.

    How will Japan stop earthquakes from occurring?

    'Tepco to put some Fukushima decommissioning work on hold during G-7 summit
    May 14, 2016 4:27 pm'
    http://www.manilatimes.net/tepco-to-put-some-fukushima-decommissioning-work-on-hold-during-g-7-summit/261955/

    Other Daiichi disaster articles of interest found here:
    https://nuclear-news.net/category/2-world/asia/japan-asia/fukushima-2016/

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Razzz,
      Right you are.
      Cleanup is a scam.
      Nothing of note is being done.

      Will the Frozen Wall ever work?
      Or, will they still be fooling around with it in 2022?
      Probably.

      Will they defuel SFP 1-3?
      Probably yes, but it will be 2022 by the time they are finished.

      Will the 3 missing core melts be located by 2022?
      No, but Tepco will be imaging the empty containment vessels for a second time.
      (Like they are now doing the reactor muon imaging over again.
      Because the missing corium simply MUST be inside the reactor vessel.
      And the first set of images show no fuel remaining in the reactors.
      So their training and textbooks which tell them that a melt-out isn't possible are right.
      And so the first set of muon images that indicate a full melt-out must be wrong.)

      In 2040, they will probably finally admit that the corium has melted into the earth.
      Nothing more can be done.
      The corium cannot be recovered from deep in the earth.
      So they will announce plans to build the sarcophagus over Units 1-4.

      PhilipUpNorth will probably post the following on the day Tepco/Japan finally announces plans to build a sarcophagus:

      "Told you so. 😉 "

    • You know that they are secretly all looking for the G spot in the rubble of Fukushima, right?

      Since they are having trouble finding it, maybe they can find it at the G-7.

      Got G spot?

      sarc

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    The Japanese are nuts.
    So much denial about Fukushima.
    This is a story about families with kids that have thyroid cancer.
    The parents dare not blame Fukushima!
    What would our neighbors say if we did?
    Nuts!
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/12/national/science-health/thyroid-cancer-spike-fuels-fukushima-fears-cause-diagnosis/#.Vz2wyNT3arW

    (Good article.)

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  • After Chernobyl nuclear disaser happened, the IEA was established https://iea.org especially to control the energy issues. They purpose made several documents. How to act in case of nuclear disaster, how to evacuate people, how to help other countries, how to minimize the damage. Everything has the instruction!

    Japan used to have more than 50 nuclear reactors before Fukushima, click the 2011 in here https://nuclear-disaster.org Chernobyl nuclear disaster was 7 out of 10 by danger, Fukushima equaled. They built concrete sarcophagus above Chernobyl nuclear power plant, AND dived into the pond to stop the fuel from leaking, AND they are building a new sacrophagus now, cause the previous one was temporary.

    Japan, having much better technology then USSR in 1986, having all these international instructions, yet has fuel leaking out of the nuclear power plant.
    Awesome!

    • really effening amazing. And then paying scientists to lie and say all is OK so the sheep don't panic and revolt against the lying government that have been marginalizing them and stealing their rights whilst making them too weak and distracted to fight back well.

  • After Chernobyl nuclear disaser happened, the IEA was established https://iea.org especially to control the energy issues. They purpose made several documents. How to act in case of nuclear disaster, how to evacuate people, how to help other countries, how to minimize the damage. Everything has the instruction!

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    Japan, having much better technology then USSR in 1986, having all these international instructions, yet has fuel leaking out of the nuclear power plant.

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