Reports from Alaska: Many salmon with strange growths inside, concerns about health and safety — “Skin illness on white fish raise concerns… Never caught any like this” — Gov’t predicts ‘catastrophic’ king salmon run (PHOTOS)

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Local Environmental Observers (LEO) Network, Updated Dec. 12, 2013 (emphasis added): Unusual growth observed in salmon tissue — Hydaburg, Alaska, August 12, 2013 (salmon) We have found strange growths in the flesh or meat of salmon. We were fishing for cohos (silver salmon) at the mouth of the Hydaburg River with line and reel. I caught about thirty fish. Most were fine but eight [...] were filled up inside with strange growths that were either white or pink in color. On the outside the fish looked fine. The growths looked kind of like individual little salmon eggs, and about the same size. Other people were seeing the same kind of growths in their fish as well.  We have only seen this in the cohos and not with the other fish (pink salmon, dog salmon, steel head or trout).  We are seeing many coho salmon with these growths, and we are concerned about the health of the fish and the safety of the food. Brian Holter Jr, LEO [...] says: this observation has been forwarded to the Fish Pathology Lab at the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. According to lab staff, they may be able to determine the condition of the fish with a photograph. Lab staff are available for consultation.

Local Environmental Observers (LEO) Network, Nov 21, 2013: Skin illness on white fish raise concerns — Nuiqsut, Alaska, October 13, 2013 (fish) For the past week we been catching sick fish on Nigliq Channel and today upstream from Nigliq Channel to the Colville River. In all the years I’ve been fishing I never caught any fish like this. Caught 3 more sick fish with same markings and this time one had some kind of growth coming out from its mouth on October 14, 2013. Most people in our community eat this fish. [...] [Ted Meyers at ADF&G Fish Pathology Lab] said that these fish showed signs of earlier net injuries. At this time of year the fish are spawning and they are usually stressed and more vulnerable to illness. The marks seen in the photo and on the fish are largely net lesions from fish who escaped from the net and then developed a fungus in the skin lesions. The greenish color in the lesions can be from algae and dirt that can get caught in the wound. The insides of these fish were healthy and normal. The damaged flesh from fish should be removed and discarded but the healthy looking meat is fine [...]

Alaska Dispatch, Jan. 21, 2014: Bleak king salmon run predicted for Alaska’s world-famous Kenai River this summer — A catastrophic return of late-run king salmon to the Kenai River is being forecast for this summer by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. [...] the report notes “this run would be the lowest in the 29 years of record” [...]

See also: Scientists present links between unusual Alaska seal deaths and Fukushima fallout -- Skin lesions, hair loss, lethargy -- 'Pulsed release' when built-up radionuclides were set free as ice melted -- "Wildlife health implications" due to radiation exposure discussed (PHOTOS & MAP)

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  • Ontological Ontological

    God awful graphic, If these images were in movies, it have to be a PG 13 rating. This news wounds souls, destroys hope, but "they" whoever they are need to have their noses rubbed in this horror "they" have created.


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    • The biologists say that the sore in the fish was caused by a net injury.. what do you think?


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    • EKO LOGIK DEKLINE atomicistheword

      What about Sr-90 and other nuclioids attracting to the salmon bones that is then consumed by the purchaser of the salmon, thus being at risk of absorbed calcium attraction, resulting in cancers like leukaemia?

      Cow milk would also be a carrier, I would presume?


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes, both are bad, but what we are seeing is direct assault on these fish and not likely an uptake through natural processes. The strontium would go to the fish bones normally, which we do not eat, we eat the flesh, but when there is an overload of strontium or other radioactive isotopes, the excess moves into the fleshy parts and then yes, you would be eating strontium directly. :(

        These fish look like simultaneous external and internal attacks (overload) which surely was very hot.. :(


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        • EKO LOGIK DEKLINE atomicistheword

          Canned salmon is usually sold with the bone and consuming the bone and salmon as a calcium supplement is heavily encouraged for people with heart conditions and the aged. We need to be vigilant in what we consume.

          As stated this is not natural uptake, but atomic negligence. An accident requires no prior knowledge of event potential.TEPCO with its owner associates had prior knowledge of the potential for disaster, that is why they built two atomic radiation reactors on higher ground. It was inevitable that this event would occur. They will not be allowed to cheat their way out of justice this time,the 99% shall have their say.


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  • wemadethis wemadethis

    Where the future is unsure, it helps to observe the past. Big Japanese Industry, dumping of highly toxic substances, contaminated fish and the attempts of national organisations to hush and hide victims. It's all happenend before and it was called Minamata Disease

    http://vimeo.com/46396127
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease

    What's past is prologue, so studying yesterday aids understanding today.


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  • weeman

    They have some explaining to do if white fish are sick related to radiation?
    The white fish in Alaska are a fresh water species and live in rivers mostly, how did the radiation effect the white fish was it accumulating through food source or were the radioactive isotopes blown across sea ice and onto the land and water?
    Bacteria does not propagate fast in cold water, not going for that excuse or escaped from nets, funny again but signs around head? Why, bottom feeders, head in mud feeding?
    Something is rotten in Alaska and it is not the cheese.


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    Living in Japan I came on board here because of the lack of clear information available and am concerned about the situation at Daiichi.
    Im sure that the ongoing problem will cause considerable damage.
    I expect it to get worse rather than better.

    I am in no position to judge.

    However something about the die offs doesn't make sense to me.
    Is there something else causing this?
    We have been on the tipping point for a long time.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      I maintain it is a combo of too many toxins too fast.


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    • artika rama

      weegokiburi I have been commenting on animal die offs but i think it gets misunderstood by some .
      We can all agree that pouring such huge amounts of radioactivity into the ocean ,, day in day ,, for years will have SOME effect on flora and fauna ,, nobody can deny that anymore i think
      BUT
      Before we jump to conclusions and claim all the die offs are because of fukushima ,, we need evidence ,, just bgecause we THINK the animals are getting sick and dying because of radiation does NOT mean they really are .
      My opinion = Yes i think fukushima has an effect on that
      Do i know = NO !!! and nobody here does !! that is VERY IMPORTANT ,, to distinguish between what we believe and what thye facts are.
      Unless some scientists takes some samples and shows high radioactivity in those dead animals we cannot prove anything .
      we need the data ,, we need the facts .
      Imagine spreading our opinion as if it was a fact ,, claiming radiation killed the fish etc etc and after a while some scientist would discover that it was a virus or so ,, can you imagine what kind of efect that would have.
      it is irresponsible toclaim anything without the facts .
      All we can do is to give our opinion . Anyone claiming more than that is lying .


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      • humptydumpty humptydumpty

        It may be very hard or impossible to prove because radiation exposure can cause immune deficiency which leads to other causes of disease and death (such as viral). That is the excuse for the continuing pollution with a number of toxins that can't be "proved" to have harmed wildlife. If we keep allowing such logic to prevail, we know what the outcome will be.


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        • ocifferdave

          @artika rama, I don't think the government has not done the testing.

          Rephrase: I think the government has done the testing.

          The just don't release the information.

          Why?

          A government wouldn't release information that would negatively impact their country (ie economics) in the short run.

          Logic would lead me to a hypothesis: since many ailments are affecting our Pacific Life (ie starfish to goo, polar bears with sores, etc) post Fukushima, radiation is the prime suspect that is likely to have already been proven by the government.

          Challenge: get the government to release said information.


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          • artika rama

            Occiferdave agreed . The cover up goes deep .
            I totally agree on that , and IMO all these things happening with animals and fish and plankton etc cannot be coincidence ,, that s my opinion but I also think I don't have the right to say "it IS so" cause I can't show no proof . It s still nothing more than my opinion until I see some convincing evidence.
            Humpy dumpy yep that is so ,, and probably what ontological mentioned as a MULTIFACTOR cause is the most probable explanation IMO . Pollution and disease and radiation etc etc everything together must have had an impact on the flora and faune . But still when I see the photos ,,, such lesions , so localized such must have a measurable radiation if it was caused by that . I just can't imagine how so much radiation would make them so sick and still be immeasurable .
            In any case ,, maybe it's just me ,, but I don't think it's ethically correct to claim anything unless we have the proof .
            When the scientists say they think there is a link between seal deaths and Fukushima , THAT is something we can use ,, other than that everything else about animal deaths are still only opinions and assumptions. Hopefully more and more research will be done we will know .


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            • ocifferdave

              Then it becomes a game of "It's only real if you have main stream scientists (ie backed up by major corporations or the government) test for radiation and find it", and when that is NEVER forthcoming, then you can't say it is radiation.

              I will say it with out their help: It's RADIATION.


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              • artika rama

                occiferdave What if it isnt occiferdave ,, what if tomorrow some zoologist finds out that "salmon was getting some viral infection that multiplied a lot this year because of warm wether ,," or some other thing ,, what then ???
                How will you ,, and all of us here ,, and actually all of the antinuke community will look like then ?
                We are already fighting an ALMOST lost battle ,, just one guy (reed or something ) showed a tsunami map ,, by mistake when trying to explain the spread of radiation through pacific , long time ago ,, AND THAT ,, just THAT misinfo ,, a mistake ,, is being used by all the pronuke shills to this day against the whole antinuke community .
                Even discovery channel made a few shows about it ,, THE DISCOVERY Channel ,, deliberately spreading misinfo .
                WHat i am trying to say is we have to be very carefull NOT to jump to conclusions . Enenews could have ,mentioned animal deaths beijng related to fukushima but they didnt ,,UNTILL some professor , from some university actually SAID IT .
                If thsi fight is going to be fought , we can only fight it with CORRECT info . Not by assumptions , not by emotional acts .
                Every misinfo that we spread will be used against us and will ruin the whole antinuke movement .
                Check this out
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZqcxI_XATI
                If they can spend this much money JUST to discredit us , then we should be carefull what we say IMO .


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                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  Sure but to what end.
                  How is this elaborate PR campaign going to stop ..reality?
                  It's not.
                  We want the people to listen.
                  But we aren't going to 'pull teeth'.
                  We lay out our data.

                  Like I said..time is on my side.
                  Eventually those that have not lost touch with the natural world…will see t with there own eyes.
                  Right now..they want to play the game.
                  Willful denial..such a 'comfie' state.

                  This is bioaccumulative.
                  Buesseler..can test the kelp..and tilt the results all he wants.

                  I encourage the people..go out.
                  Look at the state and numbers of your favorite animals and plants.
                  Keep mental note..

                  It was really shrewd of the government..you know..
                  To roll the science community under NSF..that of course tied into..DHS.
                  Shrewd..

                  They think that in order to compete for the minds of the people …all and everyone is to be drawn inot..debate club.
                  To some degree ..yes..
                  To some degree..no.
                  The rather open hypothesis..held here..is filling in .. just fine..with whatever actual numbers we have been getting.

                  I..am one of those that hypothesize that there will be a severe effect of the Pacific..ETC.
                  Time is my side.


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                  • artika rama

                    HOTR me too hotr . I have no doubt that all that radioactvity must have SOME effect right ,, hundreds of tons of the most toxic water ,, flowing straight into the ocean ,, it sure will have SOME impact . I do believe that . But we cannot say it , untill we have the proof .
                    We cannot say we THINK radiation is killing the fish , where is your proof they will ask ???.
                    we have to get scientists (i know the word scientists has turned into a slang word nowadays :) but we must get them involved. Look at all that talk on cbs ,, they pull out a "scientist " to ask some questions on a tv channel watched by millions ,, why ? becasue people would believe it if it comes from a scinetist right ? thats the way to go . We cannot win this with assumptions ,,
                    Not all the scientists are sold ,, i am sure we can find some sane ones ,, with their hearts at the right place ,, right ?. Even here on eneneews there are a lot of scientists . We need to organise ,, watch "fukushima is here" ,, on youtube ,, those guys are doing a great job with cheap geiger counters that you can self assemble etc etc .
                    we need data , we need facts ,, or we dont have nothing ,,
                    noone will take this antinuke movement seriously unless we have that . thats how the world is .
                    Thats how it works . we cannot fight against a multibillion dollar industry just with assumptions .


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      PS..And it is more than just lowering of immunity..or the risk of cancer.
                      These animals are showing pathological action to radiation exposure itself.

                      If it was abrasion..it is neither healing or getting worse..in an identifiable manner.


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      PS..the goo..looks like the connective tissue..being affected.
                      Dying..


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Many of these animals are very thin..implying lack of food and poor absorption.
                      Natural observation…the BASIS of science.


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                    • artika rama

                      HOTR I can see a clear image to distinguish weather its connective tissue or muscle .
                      It all looks like a gelly like substance ,, liek liquifaction necrosis or something .
                      Do you know a link where to chack the photos ? or wheteher there are better photos ?


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                    • artika rama

                      HOTR sorry HOTR ,, i meant i CANT see a clear photo ,,typo


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                    • artika rama

                      HOTR "Many of these animals are very thin..implying lack of food and poor absorption.
                      Natural observation…the BASIS of science."

                      I think it was ontological who said "probably its a multifactorial event " and thats why i think its is as well ,, they were already weak , and got superinfections from fungus ,, On the base it could be radiation that brought them to a weak state . Its seems very plausible.


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Both of course..muscle tissue involvement. as well.


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                    • artika rama

                      hotr "PS..And it is more than just lowering of immunity..or the risk of cancer."
                      delayed wound heal;ing ,, absolutely .Totally agreed:)
                      you know your stuff :) thumbs up :)


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                    • artika rama

                      Hotr The photos are very poor ,, hart to tell for sure .


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Yep..we deal with lots of poor visuals..around here..
                      I'm good.
                      There will be new photos…methinks.


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                    • artika rama

                      Hotr Oke ,, :) that will be tomorrow for me ,, already very late here .
                      Checking out :)
                      Peace:)


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      See you tomorrow..
                      Peace out..


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                    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                      @akita and anyone else that thinks the no nukers could possibly not be taken seriously
                      These are Akitas thoughts ….noone will take this antinuke movement seriously unless we have that . thats how the world is .
                      Thats how it works . we cannot fight against a multibillion dollar industry just with assumptions .

                      I would like very much to let folks know that the no nuke world is alive and very well , with many more joining every day . We …
                      We are taken very seriously too . We …
                      Right now we ….are assembling our ducks , there is a lot of quiet discussion too , this Is not the same world we had in the seventies as we …are aware .
                      We..do not need debate on this
                      We ….are here !!!! we ….are strong !!!!!and we ….are not stupid enough to spread disinformation in getting our points across .
                      We … Have not gone away
                      And on another note we… Are not really a movement we.. Are human facing an awful event that could end life
                      I am feeling uncomfortable with the label anti nuke …any thoughts ?.

                      . Please look at the latest Anonoymous on the subject of Fukushima http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq7OkDZtlzc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dfq7OkDZtlzc
                      Anonymous – Fukushima: Nuclear Radiation (Update) – YouTube
                      This is January 15 this year


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                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    Well..yes..and what a guise..lowering of immunity..will offer opportunity..for secondary illnesses.
                    And this is what ..the opposition wants us to concentrate on.
                    They want us to ignore anything that may be from direct radiation exposure..or both.


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                    • artika rama

                      hotr Exactly instead of looking at the ethiology they will concentrate on the secondary infections . There has to be some independent scientist testing reporting these cases . I hope they are not "SOLD" scientists as most of us here believe , otherwise all this good data will be wasted too .


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                    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                      My computer is slow today .. The Japanese govt is making it illegal to disclose cancer info starting in 2016 , jail time ect . Could someone pull that up for discussing here .
                      It was posted here last night by someone and I replied to it , let's see it's all coming back to me now "information overload " laugh


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                    • artika rama

                      clam Seriously :) )Stop lying and manipulating what i said clamy :) . I didnt say those , it s a lie.Yopu are liying my friend.:)
                      Who are you to claim what my thought s are anyway :)

                      You are sinking to a new low :)

                      seriously dude getaway from the keyboard for a while ,, take a walk or something :)

                      All my messages are still here on comments history , everyone can see what i said .
                      Relax before you get a heart attack :)
                      peace:) :)
                      :)


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                • tsfw tsfw

                  Holy crap Artika you're starting to sound like Socref!


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                  • Questionit

                    Excuse the double post of this.

                    As expected the trolls are working. Not talking about Obewan. The mime is yes I'm one of you – but we can't prove Fuku radiation caused anything, anyone who says it does/did is irresponsible, lying, doing damage to our cause, we must wait for conclusive decisions from the experts, we should not say these thing until "they" have proved we are correct. You can't say that!! And other such claims from the trolls.

                    They like to work with at least two posting names to reinforce each other. You could take a pond that never had a diseased fish, dump radiation into it, have all the fish die and still these trolls will say you cannot prove anything. Maybe it was toxins already in the pond that finally got the fish, maybe the real problem was other toxins 99% and only radiation 1%. They claimed the sailors had mental/stress issues at first, now they claim the exposure was too low to cause anything and "you can't prove otherwise".


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                    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                      @questionit
                      They like to work with at least two posting names to reinforce each other. You could take a pond that never had a diseased fish, dump radiation into it, have all the fish die and still these trolls

                      Yes they are !! Yes this is what I've been saying ! Wish I I had a disclaimer of sorts to put up here as soon as this nuke speak shows up .
                      We know it yes and I'm still learning the psychological bs included like all the sorrys , all the baiting all the disingenuous remarks the flip flopping and the mollycoddling . They seem to attach to what they perceive as leaders or good researchers that are articulate . (Secretively wish I had that )
                      Bravo to all , it takes a village and it's all good

                      So how does one get two names here , I thought once you made a screen name you were stuck with it ??

                      It's the seeds of doubt that are really clear to see , so let's keep abreast of this posing poster bs .
                      If I was here for a brief few minutes looking at comments I might be misled by the loud posts displayed , but then I'm not sure …


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                    • artika rama

                      questionit Dont believe these idiots questionit ,, no trollls here lol :)

                      They just cant take it when someone goes against their extreme theories about "we are all gonna die tomorrow"

                      we llneed to keep sane and not get carried away in conspiracies .
                      Fukushima is bad enough without all that .

                      You say it "we must wait for the conclusions of the experts"
                      Nothing else i am saying either ,thats exactly how it should be ,, have some experts examine it , diagnose it and you have credible facts ,,
                      , but some idiots here ,, even without seeing the fish ,just by looking at a photo,, not having any expertise in anything , can make their own diagnosis and tell the whole world why those fish are dead,, :) lol ,, isnt that amazing :)

                      Everyone suspects radiation is causing animal deaths ,, so much radiation is going into the ocean cannot be all harmless right .
                      But unless we have the facts ,, experts examining and publihing the results , we cannot claim anything ,, its stupid to do so.
                      Now lets just pray that they will not experts bought by the nuke industry ,,


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                  • artika rama

                    tsfw Holy crap tsfw , you are starting to sound more and more paranoid :)
                    peace:)


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      • Dugisme Dugisme

        Lets not forget, that wave was up to almost 130 feet in some places. Tearing up, or destroying, cities, towns, and villiages across 20 prefectures. Inundating 217 square miles of Japan. So i think that would also include, storages tanks, industrial parks, any and every household chemical, fertilizers, fuel, oil, the list goes on. So there is this vast, monsterous, stew of toxic hell. Slowing drifting over, with radioactive seasoning in front of, behind, and mixed all together. There is just no telling what this mess is going to do. Or has already done. Nothing good. I'm pretty damn sure of that.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      with regard, weegokiburi, to your question, "Is there something else causing this?". There are a host of influences coming into play. Others have alluded to decades of dumping of toxic chemicals into the ocean. Fukushima's acting as the final challenge to the ocean environment's biota. We're obviously approaching the point of no return; if it hasn't already arrived…


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Ontological has hit the nail on the head, but what we are seeing right now can only be from the largest industrial accident to ever happen/occur on this planet called Earth and it's been going on 24/7 right in Fukushima, Japan with no end in sight. :(

    I do not think we have to look very far for any other culprits or nasties to realize what is at fault!

    This Largest Nuclear Industrial Accident ever to happen on this Earth dwarfs all the others/previous ones by several magnitudes. :(

    It really is time to shut this form/application of Nuclear Technology down worldwide via International Law! :)


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    • American Phoenix57

      From your mouth to God's ear Obewan. Shut them all down before they shut down humanity.


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    • artika rama

      when i read the above messages about animal die offs , thinking we have created so many reasons to kill the fish ,, so we cant figure which one is actually doing the killing ,, we cant decide what is killing them cause there are too many reasons to do the job ,how sad is that ?


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    • weegokiburi weegokiburi

      I agree but for one point.
      "Can only be" is a judgement that needs tested.
      Daiichi is a convenient smokescreen for other issues.
      The largest accident to hit this planet may have been the industrial revolution


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        I think I have seen that massive smokescreen inside some of the Chinese cities lately. :)

        All of it is heading worldwide.. :( Tiny world we live in today!


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      • artika rama

        weegokiburi If anyone says "can only be "meaning that all these die offs could only be caused by fukushima then they are lying . They cant know that .
        I dont thinki there is anyone here who doesnt suspect fukushima , but it is irresponsible to make any statements to say it for sure that it was caused by it . Without data its not ethically correct to say fukushima caused it . We all have to wait and see .
        We can only make a guess .


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          artika, we know that fukushima is the worst nuclear accident with enough toxic doses to kill everything. The non judgement stance due to not enough data is flawed. The reason is that it doesnt matter if this animal die off is largely caused by biological weapons dumping, virulent microorganisms, or "climate change" Why? Because the causes are interconnected. The MENTALITY of perpetrators, and often the same corporations.

          If your neighbor routinely dumped toxic bug sprays, mass quantities of smoke detector and lantern mantels, used auto oil, burned plastic sludge, medical waste etc etc into your yard, and your family was dieing, would you say nobody can know exactly what is killing my loved ones so we will just have to wait and see?

          Only the most radical change of thought and behavior of the people of the world, and especially the ones in control can mitigate the damage and probable wide destruction of the ecosphere. There is no time to wait


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          • artika rama

            codeshutdown I agree with you about all that ,, i am only referring to scientific ethics and methodology .
            We cannot CLAIM that fukushima caused the animal deaths ,, doesnt mean i am against that , doesnt i dont believe it did , infact i do believe that . Believing is one thing claiming it realy is so is another right ?

            If there was a new painkiller on the market with this on the side "it has not been tested at all , but we think it releives the pain, and we believe its harmless " would you buy and use it ?
            We need the proof . Without proof we have nothing .only guess work . Thats how science works ,, with data and facts . Ofocurse lately its so confusing to see what is a fact and what is fiction , becouse of all the manipulations and politics etc but still , it is not possible to claim fuku killed those fish or any other animal unless proven with data .
            I am not saying just sit and wait , on the contrary we should try to get some scientists work on this , and i cant believe it would be so dificult to do some radioactvity measurements on dead fish or dead animals.
            It doesnt mean i am not against what happening either ,, but we have to be honest . We have to say it as it is ,,at this moment we dont know it YET .


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            • humptydumpty humptydumpty

              Scientific ethics (lacking) and methodology are what got us into this mess in the first place! I say we've had enough of scientists telling us "low level" radiation exposure doesn't harm organisms. The evidence is now incontrovertible.


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              • artika rama

                humptydumpty Are you suggesting we should also loose our ethics and honesty ?
                Shall we just drop science totally ?
                If so why is everyone speaking of science here ,, every threat is full of numbers and research this and research that ,check out the word scientists on enenews and probably its the most used word ,, are we going to forget all of that .

                Science can be used for good reasons and for bad (as another enenews member just reminded us ),, lets be the ones to use it for good reasons right ?

                I know all the scams all the profiteurs all the sneaky criminal bast..s creating these disasters ,, and it pisses me off like hell that they can ruin the whole planet for a paycheck or a promotion but i also know that THE ONLY WAY we can beat them is with science and data and facts . otherwise we have no chance in achieving anything.
                Hell we are all becoming scientists here lol :) when i read the enenews i sometimes keep wondering "is this just a discussion forum , or are these scientists at a conferenece ?" ,,, :) ) and its a good thing .
                I believe we will beat them with science and CORRECT data .


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                • humptydumpty humptydumpty

                  Science as a profession is in denial. It has substituted "data" for common sense and morality. It has aided the criminals without concern or remorse for the harm they have caused. We will never "beat them" with science or data because they will pay "expert scientists" to refute those claims based on their interpretations of the data. We have seen this happen over and over.

                  I am not saying data or models are useless, just that the observed evidence is overwhelming. I don't need a geiger counter or scintillator to tell me there's potential danger in eating Pacific seafood. It couldn't be more obvious.


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              artika, if you can not see the conspiracy and/or the scams going on right in front of you by now, then I wish you the best in your discovery/research processes.

              We are paying highly educated people many millions of dollars to pollute our entire world, which then will give us all a disease/cancer in some form or fashion and/or kill each of us in many various ways while making tons of profits off such misery they created! :(

              Many people call this newly created behavior..progress!

              I personally would not believe them for a second. :(

              Always follow the money my friend! :)


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            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              "it has not been tested at all , but we think it releives the pain, and we believe its harmless " would you buy and use it ? No. But what happens when ALL medication says this? Collusion is rampant throughout all industries, programs, studies, etc. This is what happens when you let the wolves become sheepherders. We have to get the human out of the loop.


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              • artika rama

                sykewar Well i guess then we are definitely fukued ,, How syke? How do we do that ?
                The only way i know is using facts and scientists to show the enormity of this disaster . If not scientists than who will do it then ?
                Politicians ? Media ? Civilians ? ANy organistaion?
                Religion?
                Honestly i dont see it .


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                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  "How do we do that?" Get the human out of the loop? Evolve! Create! We have in our hands the first opportunity to evolve our species to a form of perfection that increases with each passing minute. It is said that if God doesn't exist, we created Him. Why? To have a construct outside the influence of humans that embody the ideals necessary to live a healthy and successful life. To have a perfect ideal, followed religiously, would it not result in a more perfect world? Of course it would. We do not need the corruptible and antiquated forms of representative government anymore. It was fine when it took weeks for information to travel across a country. Those days are long gone. Science and technology is not the enemy. In the wrong hands though, it will not only mean the end of this world, but perhaps even the universe itself. Can you say Quantum Bomb?


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                  • artika rama

                    syke It sounds nice but i have to say i dont see that happening. To create that kind of society would need earth changing events and even fuku will not do it . Maybe a nuclear war or a meteorite hitting the world could reset the whole world, but today all i see is people only trying to live their lives and their routines without loosing much of their comfort . Those kinds of changes require a lot of sacrifice and i dont think people will/ can do it .
                    We cant even stop killing each other . We just dont have that kind of mentality as a species. I dont have any hope for that sorry . i wish it could happen though that people could make the change and evolve as you said , but do i see it happening ,, no , i dont think it will.


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                    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                      People said we'd never walk on the moon. We not only walked on it, we drove on it. We do these and the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      you nailed it, SykeWar. You obviously understand that the future cannot be destroyed, it can only be changed. I'm adding you to the list of those to be 'raptured'…


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            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              Bull. I personally believe science, the majority of the "scientific" community has been corrupted. That failure to use even the slightest amount of observation and common sense are a failure of so many of us. I believe our corporations are using the scientific method to obfuscate the reality of our situation.. Go ahead, wait and see, eat up.. and the definitive science will finally be released in 3 – 5 years.. after you and your family consumed so much tainted radioactive food it won't matter. Then everyone will be left with "well, there is nothing we can do" ..and guess what? We will do NOTHING!!! Bull! The scientists are part of the problem, we have very few that are not beholden to the system of destruction we have. You can not trust them…


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            • tsfw tsfw

              Wait for what data they are never giving us data and if they did would you believe them anyway?


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            • VanneV anne

              They can test the animals for a radiation signature from Fukushima. It can be proven. Anyway the animals are all dying. And we are all dying also. So how does proof help? Also you can't prove that radiation didn't cause all the animal die offs. And we can see the proof in the goo and in all the mutations and the fact that all the animals are at the bottom of the ocean dead. And we have the proof from all the servicemen on the USS R. Reagan who are now suffering from radiation poisoning.

              And we do know how much plutonium was at Fukushima. And we do have proof that all the radiation which is continually coming from Fukushima circles the globe every 40 days. And we do have all the radiation readings.

              But you are right that we now have nothing. Because everything we have loved is being systematically destroyed. But that nothing is caused by excessive radiation poisoning.


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              • VanneV anne

                And no matter all the nay saying shouted from the rooftops, radiation is killing our world. And still they keep wanting to build even more nuclear reactors. When everyone is dead, the meltdowns will be ghost towns and will keep spewing radiation out for millions of years proclaiming "here lies the basest of civilizations'.


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              • tsfw tsfw

                Yes the proof is all around us. And what a disservice those do to the suffering and dying by splitting hairs over how strongly one chooses to state their opinions over their observations. Before technology, all we had to go by was observation. And instinct. I think we switched one for the other.


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            • tsfw tsfw

              "doesnt i dont believe it did , infact i do believe that ."

              Then
              LET
              IT
              GO

              I want to read what people have to say about the ARTICLES.


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          • humptydumpty humptydumpty

            Exactly! There's no reason to reserve judgment for lack of data. Effects of radiation are well known, Fuku extreme amounts released are well known, therefore no doubt that harm is result.


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Code, you are very wise! :)


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          • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

            @CodeShutdown;+311!!, I was about to post on this thread and found that you'd already saved me from expending more time trying to make my point(s) with your assessments,ThankYou!, I will add that while I may not be a scientist or even remotely qualified to do the math which I'm grateful for during my attempt to take everything in regarding the issue(s) at hand and form my own fact-based opinion on such matters that find me holding the utmost concern. :) All I have to go on and to inspire my own reactions to the threats are the honest,unbiased input from expert sources with integrity not beholden to the deep pockets of the nuke-pukes or their puppets in politics and what I SEE WITH MY OWN to eyes happening to & around me and try to make the best decisions & responses accordingly for the well-being & sake of my loved ones & ALL other innocent victims including other human beings whom wouldn't commit such atrocities for profit or personal gain.Those who ARE responsible for 311 are not included in my hope & prayers for mercy,forgiveness,good health & prosperity although I make special exceptions in the cases of those nuke "insiders" who'd been players for Big Nuke in the past,but had their consciences & logic & priorities rearranged & changed for the better by 311 realities & become whistle-blowers. IMHO,yes cancer has been around before 311,but I'd NEVER seen so many family members,friends & their families become riddled with cancer(s) & DIE and I KNOW in my heart…


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            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              cont'd- "why"? it's happening! :( It's still 311 every minute of every day & people bet get used to it & adapt or be content to remain a road apple in Big Nukes cesium-encrusted boot tread! If I wait until the data & findings are all completed then I'd likely be dead with everyone else waiting for the answers & "official" confirmation of the ELE underway & getting worse!! :|


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              • bo bo

                Johnny Blade, warm regards to you and your family.
                Yes my sentiments are the same. Not that I wish to disregard scientific process / analysis, but personally, my first instinct is to run away from the fan, when the s#@t hits the fan… I don't lean in to the fan doo doo splattering fan to inspect closely, to analyze what is going on. I really mean no disrespect to the scientific process, and I by no means assume that the mass die offs are all solely fukushima – but agree with the majority of enenews that it is probably the final nail in the coffin for what has been going on fir a while. And just want to protect myself and my loved ones from harm as soon as possible.


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          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            "Only the most radical change of thought and behavior of the people of the world, and especially the ones in control can mitigate the damage and probable wide destruction of the ecosphere." Mitigate? How does a most radical change of thought *mitigate* this damage? We must do something NOW to combat global warming. We are. But is bringing on an ice age the solution? Extremism in all forms is chaos. We need freedom to achieve balance. And until we've achieved this freedom, everything is vanity. You must have freedom to be free.


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Syke, it would be the most radical change for the media controllers, the governments and corporate bedfellows to admit defeat of nuclear/profit/hedgemony, declare it so, test, publish, entomb or whatever can be done, dismantle nukes, focus on solar etc. To really mitigate the damage from more nuke meltdowns, and encase fukushima in something, the entire house of cards would crumble. You would have to hear this; "we were wrong. The public has been kept in the dark, youve been kept dependent on oil, nuclear, bankers, a war machine and lies"


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        • VanneV anne

          You have no proof that the person is lying.


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    • Questionit

      As expected the trolls are working. Not talking about Obewan. The mime is yes I'm one of you – but we can't prove Fuku radiation caused anything, anyone who says it does/did is irresponsible, lying, doing damage to our cause, we must wait for conclusive decisions from the experts, we should not say these thing until "they" have proved we are correct. You can't say that!! And other such claims from the trolls.

      They like to work with at least two posting names to reinforce each other. You could take a pond that never had a diseased fish, dump radiation into it, have all the fish die and still these trolls will say you cannot prove anything. Maybe it was toxins already in the pond that finally got the fish, maybe the real problem was other toxins 99% and only radiation 1%. They claimed the sailors had mental/stress issues at first, now they claim the exposure was too low to cause anything and "you can't prove otherwise".


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      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        Question
        Thanks
        It's those little seeds of doubt that are made to linger in ones head that are the most dangerous and need a wash job .


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      • I think there exists legitimate grounds for disagreement on the role of science.

        Please respect differences in viewpoints.

        I think both positions have merit. Big science is easily corrupted but science for public health is vital for reform.

        I realize it may be too late given the legacy of the twentieth century, but I'd rather go down the path of extinction fighting for survival


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    • Papa bear

      True true, Obewan. The die is cast. The wheels are in motion. The flood cannot be turned back. And so it begins. In the mist of this maddness ,through waves of tears and saddness.I find some comfort here with all you awesome people. May all your names be written in heaven in the book of life forever. The waiting is the hardest part.


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      • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

        "The waiting is the hardest part."

        With all due respect, and I do understand that place where you must walk before you do approach this with peace, I don't know that to be true. If you were already sick, than yes, maybe. (But as a cancer survivor several times over) I know that instead you can be determined to live every day in the interim before your weakness takes you out of the game to live every life to the fullest. Until then, cross off things on your bucket list. Go visit relatives you've been too busy to see…hug them. Learn something new about how to alleviate the toxins we take in. Make friendships locally among those like thinkers. step away from the computer and enjoy what is still right with our world. There is still joy to be found in the face of emergency….always.


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    • tsfw tsfw

      I can't find much info online about what sorts of cargo ships or factories might have spilled chemicals into the sea. Depending on what were in ports the possibilities are endless. Pharmaceuticals, oil, gawd knows what else. Too bad we live in a world where the rich don't have to answer to the people they are killing.


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  • How Dangerous Is 400-6000 Pounds Of Plutonium Nano Particle Dust Liberated By Fukushima? Via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-dangerous-is-400-6000-pounds-of.html

    Mass Die Off Of Starfish, Chitons, Abalone, Mussels, Sun Stars, Salmon In Pacific Ocean S. California To Alaska; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/mass-die-off-of-starfish-chitons.html


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  • Who is testing for plutonium in vegetables, algae, seaweed, fish, seals, star fish, etc?

    How is it concentrating up the food chain?

    Where is plutonium to be found, after the massive release from Fukushima?


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    On another thread it dissolved into an arguement about whether it was crows or ravens that wouldn't eat carcasses of dead seals in Alaska. Even if they were vultures it isn't the point.
    Carrion birds would follow marching armies.
    They know good meal when they see it.

    If they won't eat it ? Then something is very wrong.
    Are we to assume they have evolved to detect a radioactive isotope that has only existed since 1945?


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      This may actually be the case… :)
      "Are we to assume they have evolved to detect a radioactive isotope that has only existed since 1945?"


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        @obewan; It wouldn't surprise me if the fish have or are evolving to include such abilities??!! More likely that they're just like us in that respect,="following subconscious impulses from their survival instincts that allows them to sense that their environment has been undergoing sudden,harsh very NOTICEABLE changes that spur them to run from areas that sickens them and their food sources?! :| I guess even the lowly,bottom-feeding fish have more common-sense than the nuke-pukes whose assaults on our world have proven to be so deadly & dumb?……Nice to see all of you still out here keepin' it real obewan & the ENE Group! :) THANK YOU ENE & my friends with heart & soul! I may not ever know the WHOLE truth,but you guys & gals make sure I know "enough" to come out of reclusion & bitterness to congratulate a group of caring people instead of treating the nausea that's brought on by the sub-species of nukester industrialists who make a hater out of me as I wade through the MSM/propaganda machine's bullshit day in & day out! :) TAKE CARE peeps! ;)


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      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        How about the senses
        Smell
        Eyes seeing different colors


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    • artika rama

      weegkobiri Only assumptions weeg. People just observe soemthing and they report it ,, thinking MAYBE it could help ,, most of us are not scientists but every bit of information we can gather is vluable dont you think . So someone saw crows not eating the fleas of those animals ,, and seemes odd ,, maybe there is something to it ,, maybe not ,, but better report it than not right ,, thats the mentality ,, we just try to gather as much info as we can to be able to find whats going on . It can be relevant but it can be just an observation .


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  • Cooter cooterboy

    ADF&G in the second paragraph is talking about the salmon and not the Artic Graying depicted in the photo. Artic Graying are not deep water fish and stay in schools along the off shore.

    This would tell me that the far ranging Coho (silver) salmon have been hit with radiation and the ADF&G is blowing smoke up every ones shorts, by glossing over these reports. Coho like the King salmon travel all the way to Japan and beyond. The other salmon referred too don't travel that far and stay closer to Alaskan waters. A rule of thumb is, if the animal you have killed looks, smells or is abnormal, throw it away. The state and federal government continues to ignore the elephant in the room.

    I do know that fish caught in nets that escape have damaged their their gills and will often be picked off by seals, eagles, salmon sharks and a host of predators. Few make it to spawn.

    In a couple of more months the salmon will start running and the sport fishing industry brings in big money to the locals and the state. Just wait and see what they catch. I believe the worlds fears will be well founded, that Fukushima has poisoned the Pacific irreparably for all of time.
    Peace,


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  • ftlt

    I am still wondering about toxic Jellyfish blooms here as a culprit for these sea-life disease issues.

    HOLD ON THERE!!!! – I AM NOT TRYING TO RULE OUT NUCLEAR..

    Just wondering about other potential causes.


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    • Sure, there are increasing amounts of toxic bacteria blooms and toxic jellyfish are increasing in numbers.

      These are also part of the problem with global warming, and acidification of the oceans.

      Warmer waters in Alaska will also stress the salmon because they need cold water to do well.

      But that still does not explain the mass die offs all the way from Alaska to Mexico of herring, sea stars, seals getting sores in that same area, seal die offs, and all of these strange, weird things going on.


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  • Confirmed food radiation tests in salmon by a manufacturer of salmon products have shown cesium on the order of 1-4Bq/kg.

    Nothing to be alarmed about, to be sure.

    But NO ONE has tested salmon, star fish, seals for plutonium, which is orders of magnitude much more toxic than cesium.


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  • bozzy54

    September 2013, June lake, Ca.. 35 Trout caught in four days. All had blood in there eyes, gills and lips.
    5 where deformed with bull dog type heads. Some had deformed gills and fins. Some had eyes in the wrong the places. It's not only the Salmon in our oceans. I'm really hating life without sea food and/or fish! I love fishing to, after that trip I haven't gone once! Looking at the supermarket counter full of fish, crab, shrimp I stand there with mistrust licking my chops.

    There use to be full blind trust with our FDA and government, but not anymore!

    Trillions $$$$ in the shitter and again today in the news.

    If there is a GOD show yourself and strike them bastards down!


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    IT'S OVER, OCEAN IS DEAD . . .

    Nuclear radiation killed it.


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    • AKcoast

      Honestly it is over. Largest return of salmon was last year 2013. 2012 not alot of fisherman made money. i think large 2013 return those fish knew they were on the edge of the plume. conditions in alaska are deteriorating. sky seems broken, temperatures are 20 degrees off, no snow, too sunny, too foggy, everyday… some people that live here say the skies going to explode.


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        Your post(& others) ring true and point out much of what I feel & try to convey to others who don't even yet know of the details,magnitude,status & implications of 311 upon the world & yet regardless of where we live now or what we know to have,and/or STILL be occurring,IMO EVERYONE has been by now or starting to feel a sense of dread,if not "impending doom"(?)that by now they SHOULD be feeling via all of the little "signs" or "not so subtle" previous "anomalies" clearly present & visible to anyone with a lick of sense knows in their heart of hearts that "something wicked comes(came) this way"??!! At any rate I'm sure the impacts of 311 would be much more apparent & severe where you're located in AK,but I still feel you & SEE it here in the Windy City as well :( ….take care


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    You are what you eat.


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  • Nick

    From an spa article….

    "the public should be wary of salmon technocrats offering policy positions under the guise of science. Many salmon technocrats have strong personal views on the desirability of restoring wild salmon to the Pacific Northwest, but such beliefs reflect personal values and preferences, not scientifically derived conclusions. Embellishing such personal views with the language of science adds a deceiving veneer of credibility."
    http://www.epa.gov/wed/pages/staff/lackey/pubs/illusion.htm

    Fukushima is all about embellishment of personal views .."with the language of science adds a deceiving veneer of credibility." (Lackey… see above link)


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  • American Phoenix57

    “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counter intuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”
    ― Carl Sagan


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  • infounderload infounderload

    from wikipedia:

    "Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor from William of Ockham (c. 1287 – 1347), and in Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

    In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic (discovery tool) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models rather than as an arbiter between published models.[8][9] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result."

    …the hypothesis that requires the least number of assumptions is that hundred of tons per day of radioactive isotopes being dumped into the ocean for going on three years will result in the types of effects that are showing up in the sealife shown in this article…

    Until we get broad comprehensive testing for all of the radioactive isotopes emanating from Fukushima, we are prudent to assume that nature is being disastrously poisoned and destroyed by the events that started on 3-11-11. Protect the children.


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  • Sol Man

    I am concerned about the health of everything in our shared world,
    and the safety of the children.


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    • infounderload infounderload

      Me too, hence my statement that "nature is being disastrously poisoned and destroyed".


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    • Fred

      I just turned 68 and was fed radioactive milk in grade school by my government, a medical experiment my ignorant, patriotic parents would have never believed possible in upstate NY. I'm depending on my age to make me die before the children's mass extinction peaks.

      I care for 5 kids every weekend. I try not to cry for them while I'm where they can see me.


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  • Shaker1

    Good quote, AP57. Not trying to downplay the value of science, some things at times are subject to actual need. I think it plainly obvious to most anyone here, anyway, that by the time science reaches its definitive conclusion, the conclusion itself maybe gong foregone by the flow of events. I don't think something like Fukushima can can be either discounted or overblown with its effects, but discounting its effects has a much different overall outcome than overblowing them, and one could make what I feel is the rightful claim that overblowing them is erring on the side of caution.

    One thing is sure, even in sparsely-settled Alaska, man stresses the population. I read the results of a study that was done in one of the Scandinavian countries (I believe it was Norway; it's been a while since the read) that attempted to assign causes to the decline of salmon, both currently and historically. Their conclusion was that in any environment in which man and his way disturb the system there will be decline. They also correlated the decline to human population density. Pretty obvious conclusion to me. They just put numbers to what could be and was a general observation.

    In an immanent situation and without time for data, judgements simply have to be made. Even if Fukushima is at the moment little more that a reason observational effort was made, given the choice of what to concentrate upon, wouldn't that seem a reasonable place to start? Can an honest scientist argue that?


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  • Nick

    It's the evil carbon* and climate change.

    Radioactive man-made elements? Nah!

    You can't possibly peg biological stress on Fukushima! I thought all that nasty stuff got DILUTED?

    No, we must obfuscate forever, the ill-winds and waters of Fukushima's nightmare.

    *kind of absurd when you realize how prevalent carbon is throughout the known Universe.


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  • rogerthat

    Well, there is an easy way for governments, ''scientists'', experts, industry, corporations, ''regulators'' to establish the facts, and that is to investigate. Why do they not want to investigate? Because they are frightened of what they will find, and they do not want anyone to know. The size of the cover-up tells you the size of the catastrophe. How does total sound?


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  • Fred

    Dr Goebbels would be very proud. Americans will swallow anything that looks "official" enough. It's called Agnotology by a Stanford professor. "HIV causes AIDS". We've never seen HIV or isolated it and grown it in culture and infected a lab rat from the culture, as required by Koch's Postulate for every other viral disease, but we have a concensus HIV causes AIDS. "CO2 causes 'global warming'". Yean, we know, for the last 17 years the temp has dropped but experts have reached a concensus so it must be so. Building 7 fell straight down into its own footprint at freefall speed because Building 1 and 2 did the same. Airplanes made out of beer can aluminum cut right though 500,000 ton, external steel reinforced beams just like butter and flew faster than physics and the pilots say they could at sea level. Ignore all that. Experts said it was all so. Guys with box cutters smuggled onto non-existant planes held off the whole USAF from chasing the non-existant planes for hours and hours. Yeah, right.

    What the hell is wrong with human REASONING?


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  • Angela_R

    Fukushima has focused some, re-focused a few others, on the problems of nuclear, but while we were otherwise occupied there have been many incidents. I chose to type France into my search engine because it produces most of its electrical energy from nuclear reactors; a quick check online revealed:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8757494/Risk-of-radioactive-leak-after-deadly-explosion-at-French-nuclear-plant.html
    "the site is partly used by French nuclear giant Areva to produce MOX fuel which recycles plutonium from nuclear weapons."

    "French nuclear leak prompts urgent security review" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/2454654/French-nuclear-leak-prompts-urgent-security-review.html. It was the fourth such scare in a fortnight.

    On the 11 july 2011, with an ongoing problem in Fukushima, after two major incidents at a French nuclear site it was reported:
    "Mr.de Rivaz also pointed out that Britain had recently cleared two big hurdles that smooth the path for new nuclear plants. This week parliament voted to reform planning laws to allow nuclear plants to get approved more quickly. Chris Huhne, the Energy Secretary, last week unveiled market reforms to subsidise nuclear and wind power…"
    and also from the following article it appears the concern was around the delay, not the safety: http://www.telegraph.co


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  • The bottom line? Kill nuke before it kills us, for sure.


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  • Daisy207

    I try to keep my mind working on the science – as my training has always taught me that science can solve anything. Not this time – science created nuclear energy with no way to solve an accident. No way to pay for something that is infinitely costly to all living things and the very earth we occupy. Maybe its time to pray for another great flood and Noah to return, gather two of the best of all species left on the planet and start over. This situation gives new meaning to the term FUBAR.


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    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      Whatever training led you to believe that science can solve anything, was as defective as the notion that humans are all-powerful in the universe. That is one of the great fallacies promoted by scientists whose hubris overshadows their awareness of human frailty.


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    • VanneV anne

      The creators of the Trinity bomb expected the world to blow up with the bomb test. It isn't quite as fast as they thought, but they did know what they had done. Too bad that those in power are so uneducated. They should also have know what they have done.


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      • American Phoenix57

        They knew Anne, they always known.

        "A year earlier, in September of ’61, after the Soviets had disregarded a voluntary moratorium and detonated the largest ground-based ‘atmospheric’ nuke ever designed “in meetings with scientists, he asked..about radioactive fallout. ‘Where would we be if testing had continued at the 1958 rate?’ he asked Dr. Charles Dunham, director of the Atomic Energy Commission’s Division of Biology and Medicine. ‘Civilized man would have been in trouble,’ Dunham said. ‘How does the radioactive fallout get to the earth?’ he asked his science advisor, Jerome Wiesner. ‘The clouds are washed out by rain,’ answered Wiesner. Kennedy looked out..into the garden. It was a rainy day and he asked: ‘You mean it’s in the rain out there?’ ‘Yes’ Wiesner said… Kennedy did not speak for a long time."
        - President Kennedy, [pp226-227] President Kennedy, Profile of Power, R.Reeves.


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  • American Phoenix57

    It's clear that Quackademic science has written a check that Humanity's ass can't cash. So now slowly but surely everybody is going to die a lot sooner than later of a bunch of things our normal immune systems could take care of. But if you are lucky and live in an area that is not that contaminated as other locations and you follow some common sense rules to avoid contamination and boost your immune system you will enjoy a lot longer and healthier life. Sounds like survival of the smartest to me.


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    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      Nobody can be "lucky" enough nor can they "avoid contamination" following "common sense rules". That is utter nonsense.


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      • American Phoenix57

        Any one living south of the equator is lucky. Many locations in the US will be spared heavy fallout by sheer luck.

        Any one who doesn't eat sushi, drink milk products, play in the rain and drinks R/O filtered water, etc., etc., is practicing common sense and avoiding contamination. Are you really struggling with simple logic?


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          when the whale stocks have been reduced to zero, along with the fish stocks, the sea bird, dolphin, sea otter, walrus and seal stocks, then what great value is it for the human stocks, who killed them all, to carry on in inland pockets, hoping some government institution finally tests the remaining dog and horse stocks, who they will be eating?


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          • VanneV anne

            +1000000000000. TY, codeshutdown


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          • American Phoenix57

            No doubt CodeShutdown. We are in big trouble if the Pacific slowly dies off. I expect by that time we will have compensated our seafood supplies with things from cleaner waters. Same for meat and veggies. Expected prices to reflect the effort to produce and obtain them from cleaner pastures. But the demand for cleaner food will drive the markets to bring them to us here in the States no matter what.

            Those who know how to grow their own safely or can afford to source their food from uncontaminated locations will fare better than those who don't or can't afford the "good stuff". The laws of supply and demand will compensate for the destruction Fukushima has brought upon Japan and the Pacific. . . it has to. Life will never be the same after Fukushima but rest assured it will go on.


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              "The laws of supply and demand will compensate for the destruction Fukushima has brought upon Japan and the Pacific"

              Yer jerkin' ma chain there American Phoenix.
              My friend just died of unexpected leukemia…but rest assured the laws of supply and demand will compensate for her destruction…

              glad to know ya


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              • American Phoenix57

                I'm truly sorry for your loss CodeShutdown. Nothing could ever compensate for the loss of a life. I feel you pain as I have recently lost my father to heart failure and he was as strong as an ox before Fukushima. My sincerest apology if my comment upset you. I was just trying to point out that even if we lose Japan and the Pacific to this devastating disaster some life will find a way to survive it. Your thoughts are important to me and I have learned much from you over the years. I hope you still consider me one of the good guys.


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        • humptydumpty humptydumpty

          It is YOU, AmPHX, who are failing to grasp the gravity of this situation: the inevitable spread of this toxic contamination, the ramifications from further nuclear accidents and proliferation of deadly radionuclides, and the collapse of industrial civilization more broadly. Anyone who thinks they can escape the ravages is delusional.


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          • American Phoenix57

            I'm assuming your in the states and in the same boat as I am. If so we shall not escape Fukushima unscathed. But I have friends in S. America and other distant lands in the southern hemisphere you own Geiger counters and aren't the least bit worried. Maybe that will change in the future but for now I can't ask them to feel the way I do. We must end ALL nuclear, coal and oil energy production on that I'm sure we are singing off the same song sheet. But I'm going to go down with a fight. I refuse to bury my head in the sand and let fate sweep over me and my family. I just don't want to survive. . . I want to live! If that makes me delusional so be it.


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            • bo bo

              There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to live and having the strong will to fight. That is a good thing. But by using phrases like 'survival of the smartest' you subtly imply that those that fail to protect themselves were 'eliminated' because they were dumb, no ?


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    • bo bo

      So you're going to avoid sushi – and hope to be on the winning side of this 'survival of the smartest'.

      Do you realize that the fish that the humans refuse because it is too radioactive will be thrown right into the feeding tubs of livestock, and will end up on your table, in an even more concentrated form? There is no way to really prevent this from happening. Also, the rejected seafood / sea products will become fertilizers for 'organic farming' and vegetable will suck up that radiation from the ground. Look at containers of soup, soy milk, ice cream, toothpaste, for the ingredient 'carageenen'. That is made from seaweed. Even if you don't eat seaweed, many consume seaweed daily just through carageenan.

      Just a thought.


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      • American Phoenix57

        Bo I've been a modified (I eat eggs) vegetarian for seventeen years. I have a greenhouse outback where I grow most of my organic sprouts and food. I have chickens for eggs that feed on my organic scraps. I have a deep well and a 5 stage R/O filtration system for the house. I brush my teeth with baking soda and hydrogen peroxide. I only drink R/O filtered water and the occasional glass of pre fuku wine. If I eat out of the house I take something before the meal to help me avoid possible damage. I'm doing the best I can. It's not for everyone but it works for me.


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        • bo bo

          Wow that is really impressive dedication. I think you should make a video of your life and put up on youtube, it could help educate people on what to do. Sorry about quick assumptions. ( but still do think the comment 'survival of smartest' is offensive to those that fell sick, or must live in contaminated areas)


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  • im1-4-thetruth

    ~~Pass this around! Go to caravantomidnight.com and look for: Admonition of an American Physicist on Japans Planning for Atomic Power Generation:1957. This will show you that they should have never built these reactors to begin with. It was posted this last Sunday on the site, its a must read for those who do care.


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  • pkjn

    SURPRISE: You're Eating Fukushima Radiation and Bloody, Cancerous Tumors in Fish Contaminated By Radiation
    28 January 2014 Turner Radio Network

    Americans and Canadians have been eating radioactive fish filled with bloody, cancerous tumors as a result of fish being contaminated with huge amounts of radiation in the Pacific ocean from the Fukushima disaster in Japan.

    NOT only has the Fukushima disaster site been spewing 400 tons of highly radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean every single day since the earthquake, the radiation has reached the US West Coast and the fish you've been eating from the Pacific ocean are full of the radiation!

    Some have said that there are explanations other than radiation for bloody, cancerous tumors. Certainly that might be worthy of consideration. Yet, how many of these so called "ailments" can cross-species? You see, it is NOT just fish being affected; mammals are too.

    http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/232-pat


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