Reuters: Japan faces nuclear shutdown for 2nd time since Fukushima — Expert: They’re trying to protect their nation from diseases, death (AUDIO)

Published: January 24th, 2013 at 12:39 pm ET
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Title: Japan faces nuclear shutdown for second time since Fukushima
Source: Reuters
Author: Aaron Sheldrick
Date: Jan 24, 2013

Japan may face a total nuclear shutdown in the summer for the second time since the March 2011 Fukushima disaster as the country’s two operating reactors close for maintenance and tough new safety checks keep the rest of the fleet offline. [...]

The only two of Japan’s 50 nuclear plants operating are both at Kansai Electric Power’s Ohi plant in western Japan, and must be for shut for maintenance [in mid-September 2013] 13 months after resuming commercial operations, according to Japanese law. [...]

Title: Japan Contemplates Complete Nuclear Shutdown
Source: Voice of Russia American Edition
Date: Jan 24, 2013

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Japan Contemplates Complete Nuclear Shutdown

Daria Senina, research fellow at the Center for Japanese Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences: I think that they try to do their best to survive in difficult ecological situation and to protect their nation from diseases and [inaudible] death. That’s my perception of the situation.

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20 comments to Reuters: Japan faces nuclear shutdown for 2nd time since Fukushima — Expert: They’re trying to protect their nation from diseases, death (AUDIO)

  • Jay

    Will they notice the ocean Currents that saround Japan and solve their energy power in a green-renewable not affected by weather way ? It was there from day one yet no scientist/engineer screamed or commited harakiri over it ! …

    Politicians don't know science so let's put some blame on the engineers/scientist that approved nuclear reactors on fault lines , or the internal combustion engine over the electric motor decades ago …
    It turns out that higer IQ and memory doesn't mean a proportional Wisdom or integrity …

    Start Charging in Court some Scientists/Engineers and watch how the rest MAY stop inventing toxic things like Agent Orange , pesticides , chemotherapy ( when shark cartilage or IP-6 have zero side-effects ), depleted uranium ammo , nuclear reactors etc.
    That should stop the dangerous businessman/politician from 'ordering' crap .

    Remember , the engineers took an Oath to get their diplomas , and later they Breach on the Promisse …


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      engineers do not make policy Jay. Putting the blame on engineers is akin to blaming traffic intersection engineers/designers when someone run a light. In truth, we all responsible for the misuse of technology. Unless you're entirely free of centralized energy sources (utility companies), the simple act of throwing a light switch in your home make you complicit. If I were to look for a responsible party, I'd point my finger at those who allocated the financial resources that go into this deadly technology.

      That said, I like your vision of where we could and should be going. One thing the Japanese should look into is geothermal power generation, as well as tidal power…


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      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Whose to blame?

        "Twenty-one of 22 incumbent senators were re-elected, and 353 of 373 incumbent members of the House were re-elected. The American people have re-elected 94 percent of the incumbents who were running for re-election to an institution that has an approval rating of about 9 percent. This indicates, as an electorate, we are a nation of idiots. We're now stuck with the useless, dysfunctional government that we deserve"
        – Raymond K Hessel

        Is this any different from Japan?


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    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      So Jay….
      Do share with us what colleges/universities have their graduating engineers take any sort of "oath"??

      I have been in the engineering field (electronics and chip design)for over 30 years now and have never heard of any sort of "oath" with respect to the engineering discipline.

      Besides, engineers don't always get told what they are working on is going to be used for.
      I have seen some of my designs get used for things I would have never guessed and never heard of.

      The financial side is what determines what happens.

      If you had a design that would solve a huge problem on the planet, it will go no where unless there is a profit to be made from it.

      Likewise, if the same design can turn a profit while offering catastrophic results and massive collateral damage, it will be mass produced.

      Engineers get no say in much of anything when it comes to products.

      And the engineers/politicians/suits of the 50s/60s/70s were
      essentially victims of a massive propaganda effort that implied nuclear would be very safe.

      My guess is that you did not grow up in the world I did where
      nuclear energy "will be too cheap to meter".

      Coupled with the idea of a nuclear reactor in every house to replace the electricity company/bill.

      Never mind the idea that traffic jams would end because we would all use helicopters and offices would be paperless and health will simply be derived from pills and we will not know what to do with all of the free time caused by…


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      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        … and we will not know what to do with all of the free time caused by automation.


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        • or-well

          Personally, I was hoping for the Moon colonies and an end to hunger and really great scientific discoveries that would benefit everybody on earth.
          I was a silly kid.


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            • aigeezer aigeezer

              AFTERSHOCK, I'm thinking about the blame issue a bit.

              There is no nuke in either of the jurisdictions where I spent most of my life. Should I feel guilt-free because I don't use the stuff?… Probably not, but I was never asked what energy source I wanted, and I think that's almost universal.

              Public participation is usually for show, I now realize, and what comes out of the wall in a given jurisdiction is far outside an individual consumer's control, even though nominal "public hearings" might be offered now and then.

              I've posted here sometimes that I used to get bombarded with Areva commercials from CNN. They were blatant propaganda – so much so that I noticed how bad they were, even though I had no real idea at the time what they were peddling. The message was all feel-good, happy-happy, saccharine. Like most energy commercials, they overdid it.

              However, those commercials and of course many more over the years probably put us all into a receptive mood, whether we knew it or not… until one day we woke up, some later than others, and now here we are.
              Are those who are still asleep "to blame"?… Yes and no, I think. It's messy.

              Anyway, I finally found that creepy Areva commercial online (yanked from the air after Fukushima):

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgZsamFWyBI

              Tough stuff to inoculate oneself against if one is not yet paying attention to the games.


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              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                @aigeezer: kinda why I don't blame the technicians or engineers. It easy to point to the guys twiddling the knobs. Realty is, they have next nothing to say about what or why something's built. You'd be better off blaming the teachers and theoretical physicists for what came off their blackboards. They're the ones who scribbled the knowledge to boil a cup of tea using a heat source that has a five-hundred-million year half life. With so much hindsight, it's easy to point fingers. Did anyone really think the world would someday end up with tens-of-thousands of radioactive waste sites? I don't think any of them understood that once the bean counters were made privy to the decision making process, all hell would be loosed (literally) upon the world. If anyone's culpable for where this technology led us, it was the imperious politicians. They stood by and removed accountability from the control loop.

                Followed AREVA since their inception, to the current malaise they've found themselves in.

                We're now approaching the time in our species history, where none can deny the truth that whispers within. Even the guy who's reading over my shoulder, dare not say to his associates what he discovered. (BTW…hello to you too buddy! Hope you're doing well.) We're slated to be on this path for just a bit longer. Big things are a brew'n for all of us…


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          good stuff fireguyjeff. I know Jay means well. Like you've pointed out, it's likely he's not from the engineering world.

          I was once approached to design 'equipment' to be used for 'getting at the truth'. I politely declined and got the hell out of there; never to look back. I do my utmost best to design things that help in this world. I seriously believe in karma and keep looking back over my shoulder to make sure I'm on the right path. Unfortunately, I also end up working on things that are likely used for purposes I'd not choose to design myself; things like big-brother security systems, bubble gum gaming entertainment and crap like that. Though I wish I had more say in such matters, it's not up to me to determine who and what I work on at my company. I also don't judge others for what they do to put food on the table. Besides, there's a lot of diversity in what we all value and what we might disapprove of. I also see a lot of work by engineers being done in renewable energy systems. Not unlike the early days of the 'digital revolution' and the resulting birth of the Internet, it'll be engineers who redefine the current energy paradigm…


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          • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

            AS:
            I followed my intuition about the "oath" concept and opted not to rant.
            I did leave open the possibility that there may be an institution that does an "oath".
            Yet I think it is quite remote.

            I do sense that Ray intended well in his comments.

            I just felt it was important that readers understand that the engineering world does not have any sort of "oath" toward "the public good".

            I think the better take on this issue was succinctly presented by the late R. Buckminster Fuller…..(paraphrasing)

            "Scientists lay eggs for politicians to hatch"

            Which is very congruent with the "thinking addiction" concept presented by Anne Wilson Schaef as she observed it with "scientists", because it models the science/engineering depicted in the District 9 movie, which is much closer to reality than it is to sci-fi.

            I once designed a cutting edge chip for a consumer application that some how managed to also get designed in to a missile system years later.
            How that happened I still do not know.
            It was a PLASTIC part!

            I think your inputs here are very good calibration points for most of the non-technical readers here.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              two things fireguyjeff. The "Scientists lay eggs for politicians to hatch" is absolutely brilliant! It could says much for Fuller's real-world experience.

              Second thing is, District 9 is my top 'sci-fi' movie! I could rant for hours about it (and have with friends). It finally nudged another long-time favorite from its throne…Dune!

              Wish we could get together for some off-the-record discussions. And thank you for the compliments on my presentation style. I do value all out here…including those I'd differ with…


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  • many moons

    Atoms for peace was another one


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Time Is Short is very wise…


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  • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

    So, let me get this straight: 50 nuclear power plants total, 6 at Fukushima not operating (just spewing into air and ocean) so that leaves 44 nuclear power plants in Japan. Two more to be taken offline so that would leave NONE operating. What about the 42 nuclear power plants that have been offline? Why do we never hear a word about them??? Think they may be also giving us some trouble?


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    "Daria Senina, research fellow at the Center for Japanese Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences: I think that they try to do their best to survive in difficult ecological situation and to protect their nation from diseases and [inaudible] death. That’s my perception of the situation."

    Daria is an idiot, or worse. We already know the Japanese government isn't doing anything to 'protect their nation' from radioactive death. In fact – documentable fact – the Japanese government is doing everything possible to accelerate the deaths of their entire population as quickly as possible, through every means possible.

    They are a bunch of murderous scum, in the process of killing 128 million people by the most insidious form of extinction in the history of this planet. And 99.9% of all the rest of the world's governments are doing the same thing. No food testing, no iodine, no information regarding exposure prevention – nothing.

    When this is over, 8 billion people will be dead. How long it will take, who knows. But it is happening right now, and we will all watch it in real time, in full color.


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  • Jay

    You think that a nuclear scientist/engineer would know what they are working on when designing a … nuclear reactor , it sais on top of the Ddrawings if he couldn't otherwise :) . They could have walked away . Are you people denying this ?

    As for the Oath , well , if you are NOT an engineer you may never heard of it ( or if you Purchased your diploma ;) :

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer

    " … The Order of the Engineer is an association for graduate and professional engineers in the United States that emphasizes pride and responsibility in the engineering profession.

    It was inspired by the success of The Ritual of the Calling of an Engineer, a similar and much older Canadian ceremony, and is a common presence in American engineering schools.

    Before joining, members must take an oath to abide by a code of ethics called The Obligation of an Engineer:

    I am an engineer, in my profession I take deep pride.

    To it I owe solemn obligations.

    Since the stone age, human progress has been spurred by the engineering genius.

    Engineers have made usable nature's vast resources of material and energy for humanity's benefit.
    Engineers have vitalized and turned to practical use the principles of science and the means of technology.

    Were it not for this heritage of accumulated experience, my efforts would be feeble.

    As an engineer, I pledge to practice integrity and fair dealing, tolerance, and respect, and to uphold devotion to the…


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      couple things Jay. You're not responding to those who've responded to your initial post. [see below for parent threaded response]

      One of the things that some of us have pointed out, is hindsight is twenty-twenty. Those who became involved had little idea what they were building. An analogy might be found in prisoners who are conscripted to build a death camp. Other than what they see going-up around them, they really have no idea as to their own destiny. Add to this, the phenomena of being borne into a world where daddy and mom worked at the plant. Why not me?

      Regarding your reference to oaths. Other than the military, few who go into a field will ever be told of the long term consequences of their profession. Perhaps other than those who go into law, what profession tells a novice that they'll be expected to deceive others during the commission of their craft?

      So while I genuinely appreciate your suggestion that engineers hold a mirror to themselves, there are far too many other professions that are equally complicit in the nuclear power industries fiasco.

      Finally, please respond to others directly. Doing otherwise is dismissive of those who are showing respect to your good persons…

      http://enenews.com/reuters-japan-faces-nuclear-shutdown-for-2nd-time-since-fukushima-expert-trying-to-protect-their-nation-from-diseases-and-death-audio/comment-page-1#comment-326331


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