Reuters obtains secret Tokyo evacuation scenario: Fukushima reactors fail as spent fuel rods melt, mix with concrete, and fall into buildings

Published: February 17th, 2012 at 2:57 am ET
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Title: Factbox: Japan’s hidden nightmare scenario for Fukushima | Reuters
Source: Reuters
Author: Yoko Kubota
Date: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:13am EST

Key points from a scenario document, obtained by Reuters, that was compiled by commission chairman Shunsuke Kondo and entitled “Sketches of Scenarios of Contingencies at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power plant”

Multiple vapor and hydrogen explosions and a loss of cooling functions at the six reactors at Tokyo Electric Power Co’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant lead to radiation leaks and reactor failures. 

Thousands of spent fuel rods, crammed into cooling pools at the plant, melt and mix with concrete, then fall to the lower level of the buildings. [...]

Reuters on What ‘Actually’ Happened

  • Hydrogen explosions occurred at the No. 1 and No. 3 reactor buildings a few days after the quake
  • Reactor No. 4 [...] pool caught fire and caused an explosion

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93 comments to Reuters obtains secret Tokyo evacuation scenario: Fukushima reactors fail as spent fuel rods melt, mix with concrete, and fall into buildings

  • Manifesto – Why Shut Them Down
    Manifesto of Why Shut Them All Down
    I discovered just how poorly these plants were being run and how poorly
    they were designed from the get-go. And then I discovered how one of
    the basic premises of risk control, separation of risks, was completely
    ignored. That being that the used fuel rods were the most dangerous
    part of the plant, but for "convenience" the most dangerous things were
    stored right next too or even RIGHT ON TOP OF the reactors themselves.

    This is done to conserve cost, if they were to ship off the
    rods to somewhere else, it would cost them money, however, they can just
    store them at their "approved nuclear facility" and thus just kick the
    can down the road — increasing current profits while increasing the
    potential disaster 100's of times over.
    THEN on top of that complete
    irresponsible behavior, the nuke operators also decided to not just
    stack the rods together with the original design spacing, but they
    decided to increase storage capacity by packing in the rods even
    tighter. What happens is that the closer they are, the more the
    neutrons from one rod affect and “excite” the neutrons from adjacent
    rods, and that is the whole process of nuclear fission is that neutron
    excitement, the whole process of control of nuclear processes is control
    of the neutrons and the material spacing.
    Well, so our nuclear


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    • scientists decided to stack the used rods even closer, and they ran some
      calculations that showed that if the spacing was smaller, and they used
      chemical laced water as a cooling fluid, along with a heat removal heat
      exchanger and an electrically operated pump to ensure continuous
      movement of the cooling water THEN all would be fine….they could run
      like that for decades until the used fuel “aged” became easier to deal
      with. IF all that occurred, and if it didn’t the used fuel pool
      would overheat, the water would boil off, and an uncontrolled nuclear
      reaction would occur, spewing forth even more deadly radiation than from
      the original nuclear fission process used to BOIL WATER.
      When I
      found that out, I knew immediately that this whole industry has become
      corrupt and intellectually dishonest to the core so to speak. At
      Fukushima, they put the fuel tanks for the back up generators right on
      the ocean, probably for ease of refueling from a boat, but who cares the
      real reason, the bottom line is that very stupid decisions were made,
      and no one was effectively over seeing it.
      Nuclear is too strong
      for humans, humans cannot be trusted with this toy. Over time, greed,
      economic downturns, periods of bad government, periods of industry
      regulator ‘capture’, natural disasters, aging facilities, and ignorance
      and denial, all lead to an OBVIOUS CONCLUSION. Nuclear will wipe out
      and mutate our species unless we just say NO.

      http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/p/manifesto-why-shut-them-down.html


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      • many moons

        What's it all about stock?
        You are so right! These jokers have taken an extremely dangerous material and tried to turn it into a profitable product…but it doesn't fit on their spread sheet safely-but they will continue..because….
        there is much more to this story and it's not about energy…it has to do with power…nuclear power. A power that countries want to hold over one another, intimidate each other with…that's why this industry isn't going away…cause might makes right. It will destroy the planet…but it will be an "accident" not another country's intimidation…we can't loose face, we can't be humiliated! Better dead than red!


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        • many moons

          The first lie of nuclear energy is…that it is energy.
          It's the production of material for Nasa's space programs and for weapons. How else would they produce those two items?
          The military can pretend to suspend it's production of weapons while still producing the materials needed for the weapons.
          On some level it does produce some energy but it's not a good choice…but it's the perfect choice for producing materials for bombs. That's why Isreal is hysterical about Iran's Nuclear energy program.


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          • many moons

            Interesting site that makes the clear connection….
            weapons and energy, are one in the same.
            http://www.neis.org/literature/Brochures/weapcon.htm


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            • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

              Thanks for the link many moons.

              From the link above:

              The connections linking nuclear power and weapons is more than political or historic. Consider: l FISSIONABLE MATERIALS: It is the same nuclear fuel cycle with its mining of uranium, milling, enrichment and fuel fabrication stages which readies the uranium ore for use in reactors, whether these reactors are used to create plutonium for bombs or generate electricity. In the end, both reactors produce the plutonium. The only difference between them is the concentration of the various isotopes used in the fuel. Each year a typical 1000 mega-watt (MW) commercial power reactor will produce 300 to 500 pounds of plutonium — enough to build between 25 – 40 Nagasaki-sized atomic bombs.


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          • pacific

            I think you may be right, ManyMoons. I was just the other day wondering why nuclear energy is considered such a national concern in the US that it's controlled by the national government – to the extent that the state of Vermont can't shut a plant down.

            They do put out electricity, but we've never been in such an electricity crisis that we needed the federal government to step in and take over and force states to produce it, have we? Are all other electricity-generating plants forced on the local people like nuclear, and funded and insured by taxpayers* like nuclear?

            So if nuclear plants make nuclear bomb materials and electricity, but we can get the electricity made other ways, and PAID for by private business unlike nuclear, and INSURED by insurance companies unlike nuclear, and so on and so on … then it must be the nuclear bomb materials that are the real reason we have them. (Nasa's needs are relatively tiny, I think.)

            If that's true, then nuclear bomb materials are also the reason so much of Japan is ruinously contaminated, the reason for worldwide radiation-caused deaths, illness and birth defects. For war-posturing.

            *indirectly, bcs n. plants are grossly underinsured by their own small pool


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            • cnsrndctzn cnsrndctzn

              I agree Pacific. The more I research it, it seems that the unseen and powerful forces behind nuclear power are mainly about nuclear weapons.

              The US could have gotten all the power supplied from nukes instead from coal and nat gas at a fraction of the cost over the past 50 years with no ill health consequences, or have at least used all the nuke subsidies and bailouts towards the renewables industry, maybe with a similar cost but with a huge reduction damaging health effects.

              The from a purely cost/benefit analysis, taking population health effects into account, gas, coal, renewables or a combination thereof would be hands down winners. So there must be some other secret factor at play, and I believe that factor is the need for nuclear weapons feedstocks.


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            • moonshellblue moonshellblue

              Watch Nightmare Nuclear Waste on youtube, it is in German with English subtitles and is very informative. Anyone that watches it will know why we must shut these plants down asap and address the waste as it is killing not only man's environment but man. So it may be big bucks, etc, but it is not and I repeat not clean energy. NO NUKES


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              • cnsrndctzn cnsrndctzn

                Yes, you're right moonshellblue, that is a powerful movie, thanks again for posting it. I will share that with more people, and I've already posted it on Huffington Post and gotten some great feedback on it, as I'm sure you have.


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      • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

        I think it's to late Stock because it's already doing that.


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    • InfoPest InfoPest

      CNN is showing a special report about the Mark-1 reactor this weekend. Here's a link to the video.

      http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/02/16/lyon-vermont-nuclear-concerns.cnn


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  • arclight arclight

    Decommissioning the reactors will take 30 to 40 years and some nearby areas will be uninhabitable for decades.

    chernobyl reactor 4 building will not be decommissioned for another 100 years!! how are they going to "decommision these three/4/5/6 ??? in forty years??

    and reactor 4 chernobyl 130 years…. this article has not been researched.. its a cut and paste, send it round yer mates and off for a game of golf article!!

    just saying!!

    see its already begun and enenews is just onder fox!! lol!

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB440GB445&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=80%2C000+residents+to+evacuate+from+near+the+plant+and+more+fled+voluntarily%2C+while+radioactive+materials+have+been+found+in+food+including+fish+and+vegetable+and+water+.


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  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Alright, what going on with the Fukucam? There are strange shots of light coming from the tower by #3, then what appears to be a beam of light that shoots straight up. What is the ghosts come out at night or what. Another thing is why is that blasted flood light flickering like it does? There isn't any wind blowing yet every night it gives the appearance like it being knocked around in the wind.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    They love to call the explosion at unit 3 hydrogen based. Don't dare say it was the MOX that blew.


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    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      Yep dosdos, because then even the dumb downs would be able to put the pieces together and figure out we're pretty much all dead.


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      • arclight arclight

        just got the news that someone dear to me in cyprus has just past away..

        she had cancer and was treated with radium etc , was given the all clear in the summer in the last few months she discovered that she had developed a lung cancer and it was VERY aggressive! so thats the second vulnerable person in a month that has passed away due to lung problems..

        as the levels of isotopes in the air in europe have never been so high after the background surge last march/april… and its the same for the usa too! even worse in the west! yes! i am concerned about the japanese! and concerned that we get no quality investigative journalism to cover these nuclear related subjects.. thats the problem with "NUCLEAR" censorship!


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    • StillJill StillJill

      That's what I see dosdos,…but even PattieB seemed to say that the whole world knows it's MOX that 'went'. No,…not hardly! Like 1 in 1,000 knows,….and it's pissing me the hell off!!!!


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      • rooks rooks

        It exploded three times. Hydrogen does not do that.


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        • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

          I agree rooks, I don't thing hydrogen is capable of producing a blast that would destroy a 4ft thick concrete containment building, this right here should be evidence enough that it was nuclear in nature because the industry would not have built a containment facility vulnerable to a hydrogen blast!


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      • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

        Agree StillJill & I think you are being generous, most do not know what MOX is never mind know the True dangers of it.

        I still manage to have some great debates about Nuclear at the coffee shop with a few friends. And just give quick headlines to those whose eyes glaze over.

        But now I decided to talk a bit more about Renewable Energy. This way we talk about something positive, including using it personally too. This way I also get to briefly bring up the navigates about nuclear without quite getting the glazed look. It gets them looking forward too.

        I am floundering along & trying different things to get people talking. If anyone has tips or ideas I sure would appreciate them. :)


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        • cnsrndctzn cnsrndctzn

          You're right MaindenHeaven, it is difficult to talk to many people about this or any alternative news subjects. It seems no matter the logic, reason, or facts, some people will not give it any credit if it is not from a mainstream news source, aka the corporate media.

          Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

          "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."

          N. Chomsky

          For thousands of great quotes:

          http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/famous_quotes


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          • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

            Thanks cnsrndctzn. It is so very hard not to Scream at them to get them to understand. At other times I have thought of a *cure used to shock someone out of a stupor… a good hard slap to wake them up.

            Great quote :)

            I just realized I need to use what I had spoken of before to them & that is to briefly remind Who owns MSM. I could say that of course you will not hear of this on MSM becasue most have shares & connections to nuclear power ect.

            I simply can Not give up & not talk about it. To do so means I have given up on any hope that just maybe something will click. I also know it is vital that more learn at lest a bit so when more truth comes out they will better understand & hopefully react to protect the children..sigh.. I can dream can't I?

            And it is up to us to do it isn't?


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi Still Jill

        You are right..I had an eye opener when my Mother-in-law was in the hospital. They wanted to take an x-ray in her room and asked if I would leave the room. I told them sure, that I have had enough radiation from the Fukushima Disaster.

        The nurses had no clue what I was talking about and looked very puzzled. I told them well you know we are getting layers of radiation from the jet stream.

        One said, well that's far away. The other two both said What??


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          @WindorSolarPlease that is a perfect example of how most have no idea what is happening, Thanks for even bringing it up to them, it can give you an opener to briefly tell them what is going on.


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        • StillJill StillJill

          Oh I know! Even my healthfood store used to at least 'humor me',…now, even they give me that glassy "she's crazy", stare!
          I mentioned FUKU yesterday to one of the three owners (again),…and they glanced at each other,…like, "poor, darned thing,….the cancer must have really eaten away her brain,….such a shame"!

          Dead people walking!

          I've lead dozens to this site,….and not one has clicked on, nor even become a lurker! Some only 'pretend' to look,….like my roommate,…who wants something.

          People suck! God,….I thought my kids were BAD!
          You, like me, deserved A LOT BETTER THAN THIS!


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          • The people who aren't paying attention aren't the ones who will factor in the Change that needs to happen. It's those who ARE paying attention.

            This technology was born and bred in the most oppressive of 'National Security' secrecy. It can operate as constructed only in the shadow of that type of secrecy. And because there are millions of people out there who don't care to know any 'secrets', they have been allowed carte blanche to do as they please. No matter how many they kill.

            When that's the reality, you go ahead and fight 'the enemy' anyway, on whatever turf you can find. The people who don't care, don't count.


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    yep, stock, lt doesn't leave much room for hope when you realise how many places around the globe are just as loaded with spent fuel, and its all being "looked after" by the same style of jokers. It drives me nuts.
    arrrrrr!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This is pretty pathetic for Reuters…
    It could have melted.
    Keep that part… it is.
    Delete hydrogen..they were nuclear explosions.
    The eggs carton blew up ..but the eggs are safe?
    They melted and are producing corium…and the spent fuel pools are on fire.
    Sorry…the word cold shutdown has been censored from the story…add in ongoing criticality.
    PR "slight of hand"…offer two alternatives…neither one the truth.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yes,…this is a 'death piece'. More people will die as a result of believing this dribble! :-(


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @StillJill..True and every day the lies go on..the closer.. the children are to their fate ..to suffer like the children of Chernobyl.
    Unbearable to think about….


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    Article States: “meltdowns are believed to have occurred at Nos. 1, 2 and 3”

    Why is this stated as a maybe instead of fact that reactors 1, 2 and 3 melted down? Really, why would it be reported this way? Is TEPCO denying the reactors melted down? Does the reporter then not feel confident in reporting actual meltdowns? If the reporter needs to have TEPCO actually state the reactors melted down before they can report it as such couldn’t the statement have been made stronger. For example why not say, “While TEPCO is either unwilling or unable to confirm the meltdowns of reactors 1, 2 and 3 based upon the types of radiation released it is reasonable to conclude the meltdowns have occurred.”

    Article states: “while radioactive materials have been found in food including fish and vegetable and water”.

    They should add that radiation has also been found in PEOPLE.

    Article states: “but it took more than nine months to achieve that state [cold shutdown] at Nos. 1-3.”
    This article reports meltdowns of 1, 2, 3 as questionable while it states the cold shutdowns as a fact when it should be the other way around. Meltdowns fact, cold shutdown questionable.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Good analysis, enoughalready45. The more one pays attention, the more of that misdirection one finds. What you just did – meticulous dissection of the details – is really helpful, I think.

      I can suggest an answer to your interesting question:

      – (quote from enoughalready45)

      For example why not say, “While TEPCO is either unwilling or unable to confirm the meltdowns of reactors 1, 2 and 3 based upon the types of radiation released it is reasonable to conclude the meltdowns have occurred.”

      – (end of quote)

      I think the problem is we assume that journalists have a deep understanding of the themes they are writing about. In practice, their understanding is very shallow. If you've given an interview or seen an article about yourself in the media, you'll recognize the phenomenon of wondering how they could get so many facts wrong even though they took copious notes and seemed to understand what you were saying.

      Perhaps they do an amazing job to get anything right, given that they might interview several people a day about different topics, every working day of their lives. However, that system means they are very unlikely to ask deep probing questions about anything. Instead, their practice is just to ask shallow questions and write a "he said, she said" piece. In that system, they are cautioned not to insert their own opinions, not to say "it is reasonable to conclude". It is a system that does not serve the public well.

      However, if reporters become deeply involved in some issue (say nukes), then they become unavailable to cover other stories, and, even worse, they get labelled pro-nuke or anti-nuke and lose their perceived objectivity.

      It's a crummy system. What might be starting to replace it is "citizen journalism" or "crowd source journalism", of the kind you just did in your post. Good stuff!


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    • enoughalready45,
      Deni-ability, There is No proof the reactors melted sown because no one has seen them, so they are still there as far as they are concerned !


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    This is a clear abrogation of any representative government's charter: the protection of its citizenry.

    At what point are the people of Japan expected to remain docile in the face of so-much betrayal? Just – when – are they supposed to have the right to depose a criminal cabal of bean-counters, who claim privilege and right to govern? At what point will Japan's law enforcement and defense department find within their ranks, the courage to fulfill their sworn duties? Must the people of Japan be completely annihilated before someone's held accountable for this travesty?


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Important: Quote from many moons link: http://www.neis.org/literature/Brochures/weapcon.htm

    ~However, not all countries have signed agreements allowing inspections by the IAEA. The IAEA itself admitted that even if inspections were allowed, it would not be able to tell if a country was using its commercial reactors to produce weapons.

    If this true then it seriously adds more doubts about the claims about Iran using nuclear for weapons. I would love some feedback.


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Thanks maaa. Will post to HP
      SHUT THEM ALL DOWN! :(


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        "Best way of conceptualizing this event: The largest nuclear complex in the world is now in the process of becoming the hottest radioactive emitter in the world with deadly plutonium in the mix. Very soon the showers will turn heavy and no one is going to want to be in the jet streams path. Already they are starting to measure the exposure to the people local to the disaster in terms of how many CAT scans of radiation they are being exposed to as if these medical scans were safe, which they are not.

        Nuclear power plants are really dangerous facilities put in practical use on stipulation that they can "completely seal in radiation," while radioactive weapons commit an impermissible crime scattering radioactive materials in the environment. – Professor Katsuma Yagasaki
        I'M KEEPING THAT QUOTE!!


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          Thanks maaa. This quote sums things up well too:

          "The double speak has officially started so now we know that the trouble is real, dangerously dark and that we will be treated like cows instead of intelligent human beings."


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  • openeye openeye

    Until everyone understands that the movers are a GLOBAL cabal, and that their motivation is not just economic, we have no hope.

    "These people are as cold and cynical as the Aztec witch doctors that used to cut people’s heart out… we cannot allow these globalist people to be running the world anymore, I mean look at what they are doing, they are on a death wish, they are in denial, they have no right to govern this planet any longer." April, 2011: Yoichi Shimatsu Yoichi Shimatsu, Editor-at-large with the 4th Media and a Hong Kong–based environmental writer. He is the former editor of the Japan Times Weekly

    Check out who owns most of the uranium mines in the world.

    BTW some golf clubs now have DU in them, along with some cement and other consumer products.

    Today is not one of my better days, guys–so glad you are here,
    openeye


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Well, speaking personally openeye, I need you as much as you need 'me' (us) today,…my friend!

    I am so glad you are here too!:-)


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  • openeye openeye

    With a phenomenon as huge as Fukushima, one can be sure it is the topmost global power elite pulling the strings. Corporate psychopaths are not the whole nine yards.

    Hugs to you, Still Jill!


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  • CaptD CaptD

    What to do?

    The truth is that TEPCO is playing a delay or wait and see game that the Japanese People cannot afford! In the very least a steam event or a massive hydrovolca­nic explosion will make the entire complex a N☢ GO Zone, then what happens to all the spent fuel rods that are left in ALL 6 reactors?

    If I was in charge, I would start N☢W and:

    1. Move every remaining fuel rod (spent or otherwise) in the complex to off site locations far away from Fukushima ASAP. This will reduce the potential problems of radioactiv­e pollution!

    2. Start drilling core holes uphill from the holed reactors in an effort to reach the groundwate­r and then pump it out before it reaches the corium(s), in effect creating a "dry" buffer around the corium(s).

    3. Immediatel­y fill-in th breakwater and start constructi­on on a "coffer dam" that would then allow them to pump seawater away from the holed reactors that would prevent seawater from contacting the corium(s) in effect creating another "dry" buffer around the corium(s).

    4. Open the site to Internatio­nal experts to make better additional assessment­s!

    —> Waiting will only save TEPCO money, but not save Japan (or the World) from the risk of Global radioactiv­e pollution!


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  • CaptD CaptD

    Wake up Japan and accept that Radioactive Pollution is becoming an ever greater presence in your future!

    Since 3/11, you have been told "not to worry" while TEPCO and your Gov't. have covered up this Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster, which is STILL ongoing! It is time to demand that your Leaders reveal the truth and allow everyone in Japan and World Wide to understand the true scale of this debacle…

    If not for the Web, this would have been "swept under the rug" long ago by traditional Main Stream Media (MSM) and then the People of Japan would be in an even worse position since they would not be aware of the excessive amount os radiation that have and continue to escape from Fukushima!

    Every day that the Japanese people allow TEPCO and their Government to continue this coverup is a win for their Nuclear Industry, which is desperate to retain its control over the Energy that Japan uses and the money it generates…


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  • CaptD CaptD

    To: Mr Kenzaburo Oe

    I too have been watching since 3/11 and Japans Trillion Dollar Eco-Disast­er has also affected many of us globally!

    I have considered myself a supporter of Japan and Japanese products for a very long time but 3/11 has fundamenta­lly changed my opinion of the Japanese Gov't !

    I never considered that the Japanese Gov't. would allow global radioactiv­e pollution to "be made in Japan" yet after 6 months it still continues, PLUS the ongoing radioactiv­e pollution continues to be covered up and or SPUN by TEPCO, with the Gov't.'s approval!

    What I now understand is that the Japanese culture is lacking something very basic, which is the ability to just say NO! By not being able to say NO, the Japanese people have no way to guide their Leaders or change their Countries Policy! Japan is doomed to additional suffering because Man cannot control Nature, despite what all nuclear engineers say…

    Please Respect Nature

    It's OK to just say N☢

    The World is watching


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Unfortunately, CaptD, most of the world is NOT watching – not watching all of this, anyway.

    Openeye – the top global elites=the corporate/banking psychopaths. They are one & the same. Most of them have to be functionally psychopathic (made, if not born). A normal person would be guilt-wracked, to have unleashed so much suffering on so many people. Normal people have emotions. To be able to do what they routinely & by policy do, indicates a dulling of emotion, a lack of conscience, which is what these personality-disordered people have – no conscience. They are probably also numb in their feelings – have their feeling turned off. Very disassociated.

    If those really were MOX explosions, instead of hydrogen explosions, then many or most of us are 'dead men walking' aren't we? We've all inhaled plutonium particles; many of us have inhaled a lot of them.

    In fact, in the world today, the people have no real power. Getting mad & rioting is an annoyance & added cost to the elites, but it doesn't seem to change things.

    Nothing is being done, has been done, will be done to bring the responsible parties to justice. No branch of local government will rise up, will break rank. That is very clear at this point.

    Since the global elites are an organized crime ring, just look at how the Mafia treats those who don't follow orders.

    Re the blank incomprehension of the people around us – we all have experienced it – that interesting 'look' that so frankly, unguardedly betrays so much.

    It does tell us all we need to know about the educability of these people. Like alcoholics, they don't want to give up the prop that helps them keep on, have the energy & commitment to keep on doing the work necessary to keep their personal world from coming apart.

    WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. Look around you at your fellow citizens, & at the shadowy figures at the top. That is the way it has been throughout history.

    Do we really think we are going to change…


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Do we really think we are going to change that?

    African saying: 'The leopard cannot change his spots."


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  • kintaman kintaman

    Does anyone know anyone who plans on moving to Tokyo? I have met two people since moving out of Japan who are telling me they have plans to move to Tokyo next summer for work. I am simply flabbergasted and tell them of the risks of what is happening and they stare at me blankly and say nothing is wrong there.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    My body doesn't seem to be adapting too well to the radionuclide feast …

    …please advise.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    I am noticing intellectual deficits within myself,…just the past 4-5 weeks. Especially the last two. I'll also post this in the 'abnormal thread' where I belong! :-)

    I usually have an excellent gauge of the time of day,…or how long I've been doing something, anything. My kids used to call me "Big Ben", all 100 #'s of me. Now,…I am almost loosing 'time and space' reference. Also,…my vision is about 50% worse than 6 months ago.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Jill, I fear my pessimism might be contagious.

    But when it's really true, is it still 'pessimism'?

    Most of my deficits at present have to do with 'functioning' and 'attitude' and could be filed under "Why try anymore?"

    Re physical things, my back is really bad, has been for months,not sure if related to Fuk. But that cough I have had for months, I am pretty sure that is due to all the radionuclides I have breathed in.


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    • StillJill StillJill

      No,…I'm one hundred pounds dripping wet, and tall. Olive Oyl like! :-)

      You are contagious BECAUSE you tell the TRUTH,….but I was only teasing about 'catching what you have'. I think that ship sailed a few years ago my friend! :-)


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Jill, you have "100 #s" of you? Not… multiples, surely?


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  • openeye openeye

    Blades, we are not disagreeing. I am referring to those at the very top, who include royalty et al as well as corporate psychopaths. The Shimatsu quote indicates those topmost families are indeed more than just about money.

    TEPCO and the Japanese government are not the ultimate bad guys–they are puppets.

    If we focus solely on the puppets we are doomed.


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  • openeye openeye

    Jill, my day got way worse from your last post about your health.

    Are you near known radiation?

    WORRIED,

    openeye


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    • StillJill StillJill

      Yes,…I am above San Onfre, and on the west coast of Cali, near where the Sacramento and Bakersfield readings,…well, Bakersfield,…are HIGH, HIGH, HIGH!!! Sac. took down their testing station when it went OFF (bonkers) in April of 2011. (They can't have that!)

      I am beginning to think the west coast is Japan. Didn't Gunderson say that the west coast was getting a full 60% of what comes over?


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Yes openeye we agree; you know a lot, I can tell & I agree about the royals. The royals themselves can hardly be emotionally sound. For one thing there is the inbreeding. Also the trauma-based mind control.

    We're lookin' at a state-of-the-art 'Axis of Evil' with all the bells and whistles. State of the Art Axis of Evil. (Might make a good book or film title.)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Thanks openeye,…I sure don't mean to worry my friends,…but the truth may require it. The truth is painful, as we all know. The alternative is WORSE. 'We" will ALL get through this my friend! Mark my words on that one! One way or the other,…His People will be brought safely through.

    If you can't believe (yet), you will. In the meantime, please believe that I believe! Therefore, what happens to me is A O.K. with me. I think that the entire west coast OUGHT to be sheltering in place,…but we're not. I think history will bare this out. But I also think that I may have to pack up my rodeo gear once again,….and I hate that!!!!!! I am spiritually and emotionally READY to move again,…but not physically and psychologically. These two will catch up! :-)

    Off to the next leg of where the Father wants me. It will be an adventure! :-) Truly!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    yes Jill the West Coast is hard hit and Hawaii too, which is where I live. My health has really deteriorated. Part of it is emotional because I knew in my bones, as they say, right away just how bad Fukushima was. One of my guiding lights has been Leuren Moret. I listened to her (on Alfred Webre's site, and you tube) and at some point early on found ene.news, but from the start I knew this was really big and emotionally it changed me and I will never be the same, I think.

    This is the 'biggest bad thing' in the history of the planet, and we, where we live, are getting a big dose of the toxic radio-nuclides.

    I wonder how long they will keep spewing out, but for people who live where we do, it really doesn't matter, because it will be 'too long' for us.


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  • openeye openeye

    I have family in southern CA, so I can empathize. Have you seen Dr. Marc Sircus' book on radiation antidotes? It's for sale pretty cheap as an e-book: do you need the link?

    Blades, I am glad we agree! If only the best of the best were investigating this–I am so disappointed in some of my former alternative news heroes.

    I don't know which is worse–that the inner cabal is in agreement, as Moret and Webre believe, or in a state of disarray–factionalism and disagreement, and lack of a full set of marbles as you rightly suggest.

    I never could figure out where China fits in–many agree they are in fact one of the NWO players (and notice they have not cancelled nuke power).

    Here's hoping Russia and the few others who are not puppets can make a difference.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    yes, openeye, I wonder about China and Russia too.

    But there is the book by Antony Sutton, THE BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY, which details aid the US gave the USSR, even when the two were supposedly at loggerheads during the 'Cold War.'

    And I recall reading the following – on a talk radio show, somehow they could not play the regularly scheduled program and had this guy on, ex-military officer and also intel, obviously, and he – anonymously I believe – said he had been a member of a hit squad whose job was to assassinate any rising charismatic figures in Asia who were not 'under control.' (He also said that when his group was retired, they all came down with a mysterious 'flu' and were put into the Army hospital and came out with "cardboard memories.")

    This indicates/suggests that Mao could have been taken out early, but was not – that he would not have won and gotten control of the country without the consent (and I believe assistance) of the Anglo-American establishment.

    To what extent these powers remain to any degree under the control of the Western NWO elites is a very interesting question.

    Looking at the fate of Iraq and other invaded/destroyed nations, we can see that to be on these NWO elites' bleep-list is very dangerous. So are Russia and China controlled or just keeping a low profile while being on the fence or bide-ing their time – it is hard to say.


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      There are only 4 or 5 countries that are not controlled by or members of the world bank. China and Russia are, so they are members of the club.
      Two countries that aren't are North Korea and Iran. Connect dots.


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  • CaptD CaptD

    I think everyone is waiting to see if Fukushima becomes "more active" as the corium(s) interact with the groundwater…


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    • Sam

      If we were as wise as the German's , we would shut down all nuclear installations here in
      America. Prevent further Fukushimas with all of our similar designs that are aged and
      brittle as Gunderson points out. We are truly on our way to extinction if we cannot come to a common awareness of how totally planet destructive nuclear is. Back in the early 70's there
      was a great debate going on about shutting down nuclear plants and not building new ones.
      We lost. Now we have the nightmare of San Onofre and Diablo Canyon on active earthquake
      faults. God help us!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Well, Stock give me an example of where 'activism' has made positive changes in the past half century.

    (btw I am in Hawaii too, on Oahu).

    Please don't talk about civil rights or women's or gay rights, as examples. Not that I am opposed to them, but that was NWO controllers sanctioned stuff.

    They want the serfs to 'get along,' and they want the reformers' zeal and energy, the do-gooders and activists, focusing their energies on what is wrong with the other guy (like, prejudice, etc.), and not to look up and see that all of us little people need to unite against the very wealthy Anglo-American elites at the top of the power pile, who are behind this consolidation of power globally into an international governing body – which actually is and will be under private not public law, I believe.

    So if activism against this NWO cabal (of which the nuclear industry is a part)is a successful strategy or option, then please GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF THESE SUCCESSES in, say, the past century.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Maybe they will back off of the nuke thing, though I doubt even that. But I'd still like examples of successful activism.

    My point basically is that we the people have no power. They really don't give the proverbial good God-damn what the people want or think, any more than the farmer cares if his cattle want to be slaughtered.


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  • CaptD CaptD

    Actually we might be in luck as the existing Nuclear Fascists start to shift their Energy portfolio's to include Solar (of all flavors) and phase out nuclear because they like TEPCO like make Billions on cleanup and shutting them down while also investing in cleaner, less troublesome new nuclear!

    That is why I usually push these POINTS about nuclear:

    Would you use a dangerous leaking pressure pot day after day,
    … or would you be smart and replace it with something safer?
    +
    Why nuclear is on the way out:
    1. Radiation is dangerous to man
    2. Expensive to build compared to Competitive Power Sources.
    3. Creates long lasting radioactiv­e waste
    4. Risky because Nature can destroy any land based nuclear reactor,
    … Any place anytime 24/7/365!
    5. No meaningful insurance for MAJOR radioactive damages to property
    ….Or people


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