Reuters: Russian sub had atomic weapons onboard when engulfed by flames — On brink of major nuclear disaster last Dec. -Report

Published: February 14th, 2012 at 3:22 pm ET
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Title: Russia faced major nuclear disaster in 2011: report
Source: Reuters
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Date: 12:15 p.m. CST, February 14, 2012

Russia came close to nuclear disaster in late December when a blaze engulfed a nuclear-powered submarine carrying atomic weapons, a leading Russian magazine reported, contradicting official assurances that it was not armed. [...]

But the respected Vlast weekly magazine quoted several sources in the Russian navy as saying that throughout the fire on December 29 the submarine was carrying 16 R-29 intercontinental ballistic missiles, each armed with four nuclear warheads.

[...] The magazine said that if one of the torpedoes had exploded it could have threatened the nuclear missiles, leading to an extremely dangerous nuclear accident. [...]

Read the report here

h/t Anonymous tips

See also: AP: Fire engulfs nuclear submarine (VIDEO)

 

Published: February 14th, 2012 at 3:22 pm ET
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18 comments to Reuters: Russian sub had atomic weapons onboard when engulfed by flames — On brink of major nuclear disaster last Dec. -Report

  • arclight arclight

    heres the washington post version from nuclear-news.net

    me? i think smoke and mirrors.. to cover up all the accidents that have and are still happenning around europe!!.. currently cherbourg (might be them cathing up on their releases.. but they switched of most of the eurdep information.. coincidence?? any way heres some more dubious news!! in my view!!

    "The Defense Ministry said an unspecified number of crew
    members remained inside the sub during the fire and that seven crewmen
    were hospitalized after inhaling carbon monoxide fumes from the
    blaze…… The magazine said that an explosion of torpedoes, each
    carrying 660 pounds (300 kilograms) of TNT would likely have destroyed
    the bow and could have triggered a blast of nuclear-tipped missiles in
    the midsection and the vessel’s two nuclear reactors.

    “Russia was a step away from the largest catastrophe since Chernobyl,”
    Komersant Vlast said, referring to the 1986 explosion at a nuclear
    power plant in then-Soviet Ukraine.

    The magazine said that weapons are normally removed from submarines
    before repairs, but the navy wanted to save time on a lengthy
    procedure to unload the missiles and torpedoes. It said the repairs
    were supposed to be relatively minor and the Northern Fleet wanted the
    Yekaterinburg to be quickly back to service.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/report-russian-sub-carrying-nuke-missiles-during-fire-defense-ministry-had-said-none-aboard/2012/02/13/gIQAdGbXAR_story.html


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    • HoTaters

      Hi Arc,

      Weren't there spikes in radiation all over the Northern Hemisphere around this 12/30? Esp. around New Year's Day? There were spikes here in N. America — all over. Not precipitation-related. It was before a major "discharge" and the quakes in Japan around New Year's Day.

      There was an awful lot of black smoke going up along with that sub. Wondering if there was a rad release from that fire. Just speculation, but there wasn't a clear explanation for some of the high radiation levels, late December. Can't pull up the thread for late December & early January (monitoring). It was before I started using the Inspector Alert and posting. Thought I recalled high rad levels at RadNet & Radiation Alert networks for N. America.

      Something wierd is going on with the RadNet data. It bottoms out or spikes around December 29 to January 3 or so. Several sites have just gone offline. Many cities' data flatlines around December 30. Strange.

      Starting to get impression there's a free for release ongoing. Mulltiple accidents and releases since last August — all over the world? Europe, Japan, the U.S. — possibly Ft. Calhoun, ongoing releases from Hanford, "year end" allowable releases, multiple U.S. reactor sites, etc. Idaho govt. lab too? & Los Alamos June-July?

      Philadelphia & Utah, sometimes Spokane & other Washington State Radiation Network data has shown high CPM levels pretty much ongoing since December. Colorado too. Makes you wonder if one of the plants near Philadelphia has had issues. Limerick is closest. Peach Bottom & Three Mile Island = farther away.

      Agree; thinking likely multiple major accidents & releases in Europe; IMHO = WW. Now so much radiation out there it's getting difficult to tell WHERE coming from. The perfect cover & coverup? IMHO = BAD SCENARIO.

      Global database of radiation levels from the different monitoring networks, or some way to compile & map observations needed.

      You've been watching closely & are…


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      • HoTaters

        … watching closely and are probably getting the "big picture" and connecting the dots. Wish we had some way of visualizing this and extrapolating from observations.


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  • arclight arclight

    referring to the 1986 explosion at a nuclear
    power plant in then-Soviet Ukraine

    should read

    referring to the 1986 explosion at chernobyl

    wonder why it doesnt!!????


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Good god, did you see this?!?
    Possibility of Tepco to have broken the heating gauge on purpose
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/02/possibility-of-tepco-to-have-broken-the-heating-gauge-on-purpose/
    Graphs at link.


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    • arclight arclight

      do you think they damaged the thermometer accidentally or on purpose? why only 1? sounds like someone was in too much of a hurry if that is the case! and would you blame them!! of course it might confuse future mitigation in favour of tepco i suppose!! they need both working though.. they better fix it!


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    • HoTaters

      Yes, Whoopie, there was a comment in one of the news articles posted here in past 2-3 days that said (as I recall) "probably the cable was cut." An admission weasel worded to sound like an accident happened (accidentally on purpose)?


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  • Is anyone besides me getting the idea that someone is trying to warn us away from nuclear stuff?

    It seems like every week, there is a 'close call' that would otherwise doom a large area and potentially kill millions or billions of people. We just keep scraping by one accident after another..

    Most of them never even make the news… but that does not make them any less of a 'close call'.

    Even one year after Fukushima, NO ONE has released the total amount of radiation released, and the whole thing got covered up, fairly quickly after it happened.

    Total Fukushima Radiation Released Into Ocean, Air, Groundwater, Storage Tanks, etc http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3069802
    A Green Road Blog
    http://www.agreenroadblog.com

    Help needed to figure out missing numbers.. Anyone?


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    • GoFrodo

      Interesting theory.

      (What if it could also be that the PTB is foreshadowing a huge nuclear event that is to come, as the theories go which say that they always warn us of their plans? And we've had so many clues to a nuclear Armageddon.)


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    • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

      It does seem like that since Fukushima started, so many other incidents have occured. So many potentially fatal near misses. It has been a strange period of time over the last year for anything nuclear. I'm going to ask Robert Singleton about it I believe he has been tracking nuclear issues for a while.

      If he has anything to add I will find you in the threads on this website and let you know.


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    • HoTaters

      Green Road, please see Arc's comments above. Think he's on to something & I agree. Personally, beginning to think the scope of the issue is GLOBAL. See comments & please let us know your thoughts ….

      gofrodo, enoughalready45, others, please give input! Important! Collectively we may be on to something. My gut says we are. Usually prefer the analytical approach, but when my gut starts telling me something & others are picking up on it too, there's merit in exploring it further.

      Too many spikes in radiation levels, globally. Too many apparent accidents in the U.S., Europe, etc. Too close together. Too many unexplained high radiation levels in the Southern Hemisphere. Multiple accidents, high releases made possible by already high rad levels? Ability to hide releases because of already high levels? Just timing since the rust buckets may have outlived their useful lives & are now falling to pieces? What's going on here?

      Or horror of horrors, has this been going on all along, and we just notice since there's a global citizen effort underway to monitor this and try to get some accountability?

      Ah, the "A" word. My sense is there would be MUCH done to avoid "A" on many fronts, worldwide, in closed door meetings w/o public input.

      Nik Kershaw wrote a song, "Roses" years ago. SO appropriate today. Here's an excerpt:

      "in the name of energy
      we give our problems to the sea
      but they'll be back for you and me
      in or haste, we forget
      leaving our mistakes behind
      out of sight is out of mind
      our disposable mankind
      what a waste

      but we've talked to the experts
      and they know a thing or two
      they say it's all hunky dory
      there's nothing for you to do
      'cos everything's coming up roses
      or so they tell you
      coming up smelling of roses
      or so they say ….

      but it's an awful price to pay
      believing everything they say
      here tomorrow gone today

      so take me home to the red red skies and the
      brown, brown grass and the black, black…


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  • HoTaters

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0GIXyXScXM

    This song was so PRESCIENT it was almost like Kershaw had a dream of this day and time. Another short quote:

    "Burn our time down to size
    Send it up into the skies
    Hide the evidence with lies, what a mess"

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/roses-lyrics-nik-kershaw.html

    Generally like to listen to more uplifting things, but the horrific scenario he talks about in this song seems to be coming to pass. The guy is an outstanding musician and his music is amazingly good.

    Like this other one from the same album, too. The lyrics really describe the Tepco thought police mentality. Reminds me of what the Tepco subsidiary guy (incinerator facility) said when the poor Japanese citizen pleaded with the incincerator operator to please, please stop burning the radioactive waste! The guy told him in so many words, "we won't stop no matter what you say or do."

    IMHO this song pretty well describes the mentality of everyone in the nuclear "establishment." Oh, my, I'm showing an old hippie streak. The old hippy streak gets resurrected at times like these!

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/know-how-lyrics-nik-kershaw.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfLbyX3F-pE&feature=related

    "No mercy no time no reason, no rhyme, know how. I don't care who you say you are I can't let you in HEEEEEERE!"


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Ho: They are very appropriate lyrics.


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      • HoTaters

        "so take me home to the red red skies and the
        brown, brown grass and the black, black seas
        and the broken glass and the dead, dead trees
        but everything's coming up roses
        or that's what they tell you"

        Yes, Nik Kershaw was prescient when he wrote this. What he spoke of fits this so precisely it's eery. Did you listen to the song or read the lyrics in their entirety? It could have been scripted for Tepco and Fukushima! I want to be careful since this is copyrighted work. If a movie on Fukushima is ever done, this should be the theme song!


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    • HoTaters

      "So take me home to the red, red skies, and the brown, brown grass, and the black, black skies and the dead, dead trees. But everything's coming up roses, or that's what they tell you."

      Oops. I mis-quoted the other one. It's "know time, know reason, know reason, know rhyme, know how" !


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    A disaster was averted?


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