Risk Expert: “High risk” of nuclear holocaust at Fukushima — Plant to keep emitting radioactive materials “for a thousand years or so” (AUDIO)

Published: December 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm ET
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Interview with Dr. Charles Perrow, professor emeritus at Yale University and author of the award-winning book Normal Accidents: Living With High Risk Technologies, Nov. 11, 2013:

At 46:30 in

It is still emitting radioactive materials [to the atmosphere] […] not in a gigantic form, but it’s going to keep emitting that for a thousand years or so. I think the only thing they can do with it is cover it over with cement like they did at Chernboyl.

At 54:15 in

Q: Are we literally on the verge of seeing Japan ceasing to exist as a nation — Is it this serious? A: If we have a serious accident […] or a serious earthquake, yes. The chances are we will get through it. I don’t think that it’s guaranteed that there’s going to be a nuclear holocaust from these events — but there is a high risk.

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Published: December 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm ET
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84 comments to Risk Expert: “High risk” of nuclear holocaust at Fukushima — Plant to keep emitting radioactive materials “for a thousand years or so” (AUDIO)

  • We Not They Finally

    There's already a nuclear holocaust. Ask the marine life.

  • norbu norbu

    Risk expert? From Yale? You mean skull and bones university? A thousand years? Bullshit! 700,000,000 years. Stop lying.
    N

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    .. 🙂

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Let's see the numbers..
    Where are the numbers used in this estimate?
    A thousand years?
    And what impetus is there for the radioactivity to quit producing daughter products?
    Will we ever be able to rally against the hubris of mankind..when it extends so great.. as an accident..from such marvel deeds of humans can affect the life on the planet..FOREVER.

    A sociologist..recommending it be buried in cement.
    OMG.

    • We Not They Finally

      The thing about "a thousand years": NPP's started about 70 years ago with lies about "atoms for peace," and no plans for deadly nuclear waste that is more deadly than fresh fuel. And there were mini-holocausts along the way (though I don't imagine that the parents at Chernobyl or Hanford or Fallujah, etc., see anything "mini" about it), and now an outright ELE.

      I mean that any supposedly exact TIME estimate won't even matter in the light of reckless willingness to exterminate us all. So long as that persists, it is "ONLY a matter of time."

    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      Yes, for been a shill of meg-ciminals

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS.Isn't it keen to be part of the 'risk analysis' being done by Yale..and other places of higher education.

    Easy picking in a society that can not see..any further..than such 'natural risks'…on to the point of deeming them unnecessary.
    Can't do that.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The Nuclear cancer/disease gift that keeps on giving year after year…what a great charity! 🙁

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I'm getting a warm fuzzy all over. I better turn down my thermostat and take a cold shower.

      • Gasser Gasser

        Bobby Darin: Splish Splash

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cUWyODR1_sA

        ~~~~~

        Splish, splash

        Not knowin' I was takin' a Cesium bath

        Long about a Saturday night… yeah!

        
Rub-a-dub
Just relaxin' in the tub

        Thinkin' everything was all right.

        Well… I stepped out the tub

        Put my feet on the floor


        I wrapped the towel around me

        And stumbled to the door.

        And… then-a… blue flash
        
I jumped back from the bath

        
Well… how was I to know

        There was a Nuclear meltdown going on.

        There was a crackln' and a fizzn’
        
I was a reeln' with a bad feeln'


        Stopped moven' an started groanin'

        Fallin' down an a rollin'… agggah!

        Bing, bang

        I saw the whole NRC gang
        
Lyin' on my liven' room TV

        [Con't]

        • Gasser Gasser

          [Con’t]

          
Flip flop

          They was doin' the bullshit bop

          As Olympic teems were swimin' in a radioactive sea.

          There was Mr. Plutonium with-a Cesium Sue

          Good Golly Miss. Americium, was-a even there too!

          
A-well-a, with an immune system crash
          
I realized the contaminated bath

          I went and put my Hazmat suit on… yea!

          I was a sweaten' when a strolln’
          
Reelin' with a bad feeln'

          Moanin' and a groanin'

          Tossin' and a turnin'… aggah!

          Yes… I was a splished' with a Cesium splash

          I was a rollin' and not strolling'

          Yeah… I was stopped from moven' 

          I was a pukein' with a bad feelin'

          ~Gasser Classic~

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Happy Days theme (long version)parody:

          Sunday, Monday, Hazard Days.
          Tuesday, Wednesday, Hazard Days.
          Thursday, Friday, Hazard Days.
          The weakened come,
          A cyclone hums,
          Ready to race to you.

          These days are all,
          Toxic and Free. (Those hazardous Days)
          These days are all,
          Share them with me. (oh baby)
          Goodbye grey sky, hello puke.
          There's nothing can hold me when I FUKU.
          Feels so wrong, it can't be right.
          Rockin' and rollin' all decade long.

          Sunday, Monday, Hazard Days.
          Tuesday, Wednesday, Hazard Days.
          Thursday, Friday, Hazard Days.
          The weakened come,
          A cyclone hums,
          Ready to race to you.

          These days are all,
          Share them with me. (Those Hazardous Days)
          These days are all,
          Hazards are Free. (oh baby)
          These Hazard Days are your's and mine.
          These Hazard Days are your's and mine, Hazard Days.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    RADIATED AIR, WATER, SOIL, FOREVER . . .

    Who were the idiots that allowed nuclear reactors in the first place?

    And who are the idiots that allow it now?

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      The Department of Homeland Security is too busy trying to control the "little people." The TSA doesn't see the massive dirty bomb coming to our shores from Fukitshima.

    • We Not They Finally

      The BigPicture, as for idiots and "allowing," everyone congratulates Eisenhower on his speech about the military-industrial complex. What most people don't know is that that speech was given just three days prior to the inauguration of the next President. While Eisenhower was IN the Presidency, it was the big lie of "Atoms for Peace." So even the President of the United States had neither the will, the power, nor the means to DO anything about it, however he FELT.

      I just doubt that he thought he was up against "idiots." He likely felt that he was up against dangerous, powerful, unelected and unopposable men. And can't see that that has changed. Not thus far, yet.

  • soern

    the risks are increasing immediately after fukushima radiation will make further maintainance impossible as after a new big earthquake.
    There will be that domino effect…
    I've read many and many prophecies but all didn't know anything about radiation and many told there would be some lucky future after only few people survived – but where?
    99% of our planets surface will be contaminated extremely high after
    no people are left to look after spent fuel pools worldwide and so on.
    There even seems to be no prophecy for this matter.
    Nuclear energy is digusting only and digusting and digusting… 🙁

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      The elite would probably be humbled by their monumental mistake, except that is a characteristic that they do not possess. They will live forever in the post apocalyptic world only in their collective ego. They thought they were gods. They were god in their thoughts.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Nope ..no humbling..just straight up panic.
        They of all can handle it least..when the good times cease to roll..

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Biblical prophecy nowhere mentions North America, except as perhaps "the young lions" which could be in reference to colonies founded under English rule.

      Rather ironic.

      For the first time, I can visualize a scenario under which this could be a real possibility.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Maybe it was a mis-translation. The "young liars" maybe?

        New to the game, the American liars, they are. Maybe just a flash in the pan, getting run the f*k over by truthers, because their lies, while backed with flashy technology and big bucks, just were so damned stupid.

    • We Not They Finally

      soern, the Hopi prophecies are pretty clear about radiation — don't have to read too much between the lines. Deformed children, deserted cities, mass despair, confusion between the sexes (damaged genetics does do that — I don't think that this was about gay rights…), and that the only hope might come from those who "know the codes in the blood" and from "our brothers from the stars." We honestly do need both scientific and spiritual help beyond anything we have seen before. But it is the Hopi's Red Road prophecies that seems to home in on that.

      • soern

        WNTF thanks for the hint. I will look up hopi prophecies at once.
        While my research, i found one rough date for some big showdown only:
        It was said to be in 2038 by Mr. Stormberger or Muehlhiasl (german).

        Anyway it still is disgusting what WE do!
        If I was Mother Nature I'd abandoned mankind 150 Years ago!
        Don't like to be a member of mankind since i was 18 🙁
        Now i'm 49 and i've arranged somehow but still don'like it!
        Can't change it either – microskopic steps only if at all.

      • soern

        reg. hopi i found, there are some authors complaining to be authorizised reporting about hopi prophecies who are officially dismissed by hopi. There seems to be left just that speech of 1992 at UN. Couldn't confirm your message. Sorry 🙂

  • Nick

    The space-time matrix has been ripped asunder by nuclear fools.

    No amount of drivel or this or that will convince me otherwise.

    I dealt with a nosebleed at work today. What more evidence du u need?

  • Nick

    I know way too much about molecular physics to NOT be alarmed (or scared) about the events transpiring from three (maybe 6 ) rogue nuclear reactor cores and associated fuel pools.

    Go ahead guys and gals, sweep an event that will impact life on earth for millions of years under the rug.

    Make us buy pink.

    What a bunch of Kroc.

  • rakingmuck

    I am getting seriously pissed off now. His real gig is working for Government funded CISCA in the HOMELAND SECURITY division. Works with DOD so can kiss my ass. Example of "private" CISCA donation http://cisac.stanford.edu/news/carnegie_awards_cisac_1_million_grant_for_research_and_training_20130129/

  • Nick

    Folks,

    WAKE the F up. Everything about what you thought your future was going to be will NEVER happen.

    This is not a game. This is the real deal.

    Go home. Hug your children. Cry. Then weep in the morning.

  • rakingmuck

    Hey I got his Department at CISAC wrong – its Nuclear Security. Do not barf when reading this piece if brilliant bull shit http://thebulletin.org/2013/september/nuclear-denial-hiroshima-fukushima Of course radiation is safe1

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "While low-level radiation is now generally accepted as harmful, its effects are deemed to be so small that they cannot be distinguished from the much greater effects of stress and social dislocation. Thus, some scientists declare that there is no point in even studying the populations exposed to the radioactive elements released into the atmosphere during the 2011 accident at Fukushima."

      So… how about when the radiation CAUSES "stress and social dislocation?" (Such as the exclusion zones at Chernobyl and Fukushima) Can it then be "distinguished from the much greater effects of stress and social dislocation?" This guy must be getting a great paycheck to get his logic twisted so thoroughly. Sharing your frustration. No wonder that guy at Fukushima Diary is at the North Pole. These people (nuclear apologists) are truly insane.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        …but maybe he's right, though… I mean they are all going to die from something anyway…and they are all stressed out suffering from dislocation anyway. Nah, nothing to see here, move along folks. C'mon folks, what are you looking at? You won't be here much longer and you know it. So, just move along. You're all stressed out anyway. I said move along! I have a tazer! Let me see your papers. Now! What, are you stressing out on me? Just keep your papers. Studies prove that stressed out people don't even matter. Stop wasting my time. Losers. Go home. Come on, people, I haven't got all day. I have to get home and take care of my family, they are all stressed out and dying from cancer. Oh, well, maybe I'll just have a beer at the pub. They're stressed, It doesn't really matter. Hey, why don't you folks come with me to the pub?

        A good time to invest in distilleries and bottling companies.

      • Kassandra

        He is disagreeing with this position

        Look at the title of the article

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Yes, you are right. I redirect that at "some scientists." I would like to know to whom (by name) he is referring. Those scientists are idiots! Perrow is the good guy here. At least he is truthful.

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      And a bigger h/t for self-correction.

    • We Not They Finally

      Checked out the article. It's not a "bad" article — just a little too much of a fence-sitter. Like I'm an academic, I study what people do; if people die, I'm right there studying…

  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    From the December 2,2013 Sports Illustrated:

    "Brian Cazeneuve, reporter: What are your thoughts about the two journalists from Norway who were recently detained near Sochi while reporting about the Games?

    Thomas Bach, IOC President: I do not feel comfortable at all about this because freedom of the press is one of the values the Olympic movement promotes."

    Yet not a word from Herr Bach about the Japanese assault on their freedom of the press, specifically eliminating any information on the Fukushima disaster from being released, other than the 'official' line of denial.

    A German willing to send the best athletes from around the world, along with the hundreds of thousands of fans that come to watch, to nuclear death. Too busy making money . . .

    Reporter Cazeneuve: "The 59-year-old Bach, a lawyer from Wurzburg, Germany, inherits an organization from his predecessor, Dr. Jacques Rogge, that has never been healthier, raking in record revenue and attracting unprecedented television ratings worldwide."

    Thomas Bach, IOC President
    Château de Vidy
    Case postale 356
    1001 Lausanne
    Switzerland
    Phone +41 21 621 61 11

    If one is so inclined to voice their displeasure.

    While a massively high percentage of the children of Greater Tokyo now have low white blood cell counts, officially known as (untreatable) radiogenic leukopenia, or as we affectionately call it – RAIDS.

    It kills the young first.

    • We Not They Finally

      Time Is Short, from the bottom part of your comments: I believe (if I'm correct) that "radiogenic leukopenia" converts to leukemia in time. They are headed for a MASSIVE leukemia epidemic. Probably hitting way before the 2020 Olympics. And I doubt that they will be able to covering up that a large proportion of their children are dying.

  • weeman

    Can you imagine what the effects would have been if instead of the contamination going into the ocean, it was going directly into the atmosphere, what is the easiest to saturate.
    It is not sustainable for the next couple of millennium, it must be steamed, no if and or buts about it, if we and every living thing want to continue to exist.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    I have to get a nap and go to work. Someone please step in and take over for me. I know you need the morale boost I provide. Just slaughter and butcher a pig, write a vivid, point by point description of the procces. Then replace the words, "cut", "blood", "bleed" , "bleeding", "disgusting", "smelly", "messy," and "not fun," with the words, "nuclear,"safety," "fix it." "NRC," and "IAEA," and "environment" randomly. No one will ever miss me. Oh, throw in some sarcasm, too. Later.

    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      Good to take it easy unincredulous….. all times improve a little bit with good humor…. even blak, yellow humor,
      Good luck,

  • bdais92

    With everything that happened at fukushima, why would Tepco be worried about terrorists in any way, radiation isnt bad and it wont harm anyone/anything….. "because they will blow the place up and send radiation into the atmosphere"…… ummmmm didnt that happen already, hydrogen explosions?? How about unit 3, tell me again what happened there, and please dont tell me it way a hydrogen explosion, how did unit 4 blow when not in use? What could terrorists possibly do that hasnt happened already. Including how many typhoons spreading radiation around japan and the Pacific? Kinda ranting abit sorry,even though there is nothing anyone of us can do, it still pisses me off when people just shrug it off and say it is harmless….. if it was harmless thats the way the system would have worked in the first place,why have a recirculating system with expensive filters and safety backup systems when constant new sea water flow could be used ,why do you need safety regulations if the disaster thats created isnt anything to worry about,water finds the path of least resistance to the ocean! Blahahhhhhhhh, I hate not being able to talk about Fukushima with anyone face to face! NOBODY wants to here anything about Fukushima!!

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      No one wants to hear about Fukushima. We need to send in the pictures and story to a video game creator. Once everyone is used to the idea in the game, all we need to do is spread the word that it is based on a true story. We could imbed hidden links to the real story and Enenews, When folks find out, they will be pissed!

  • bdais92

    WOW, I do sound crazy, no wonder nobody ever wants to listen ^^^^

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    🙂 Crap I am at the 666 stage..I am sure that they will go that high in the very near future!

  • Nick

    We fool ourselves when we think technology can save us.

    We haven't even invented the ceramic domes and shields we'll need in and around Fukushima.

    Heard GE got the contract, guaranteed income for thousands of years.

    GE…..global extinction

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    “for a thousand years or so” but IF.. "If we have a serious accident […] or a serious earthquake, yes".
    How many earthquakes can occur in space of a thousand years?

    東北地方太平洋沖地震震源海域に大きな亀裂を確認

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAidW9t6f9Q&feature=player_embedded

    A fissure found off Fukushima..

  • babbo dorian babbo dorian

    I love very much enenews….. and the people around.
    I guess is maybe the best in world because of the combination of administrator of site and all people contributing (even sometimes in disagreements)
    I hace never experienced a place like this……. ALL ….. keep on posting….. I need it….. and more than that, the world need it….. someday soon all will know…
    Thanks to all.