Risk of “disturbing crust” around Fukushima reactors from plan to reduce amount of groundwater — Nuclear Officials: Land could start ‘sinking’ — WSJ: Changing water flow may cause highly contaminated leak

Published: May 21st, 2014 at 1:05 pm ET


Wall St. Journal, May 16, 2014: The ice-wall plan has already met a hurdle. […] the Nuclear Regulation Authority […] expressed concern about an unexpected change in the water route, which could cause a leak of highly contaminated water.

Asahi, May 17, 2014: “Once the project is started, it will be difficult to turn back,” said Toyoshi Fuketa, an NRA commissioner who is screening [the ice wall project,] “We have to thoroughly examine every aspect of this project because it is such a drastic measure.” […] Experts have warned that if something goes wrong with the walls, it could critically affect work to handle the contaminated water and decommissioning operations. […] The NRA told the utility to provide answers to 24 items that the watchdog is concerned about, such as the possibility of land sinking, leaks of contaminated water and countermeasures in the event the frozen soil thaws.

Mainichi, May 17, 2014: […] experts have questioned both the safety and effectiveness of the proposed subterranean ice wall. […] the NRA submitted 24 questions on the safety and effectiveness of the ice wall plan to TEPCO and the national government, and it now looks like the operation — scheduled to commence in June — will be delayed. […] The plan, however, could fail, and there is a further risk that the excavation work could disturb the crust around the reactors.

AP, May 4, 2014: Toyoshi Fuketa, a commissioner with the Nuclear Regulation Authority, said the hydrological impact of creating a frozen wall in the area was unclear. “We need to know if a frozen wall is really effective, and more importantly, we need to know whether a frozen wall may cause any trouble,” Fuketa said. International experts have raised similar concerns.

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Published: May 21st, 2014 at 1:05 pm ET


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105 comments to Risk of “disturbing crust” around Fukushima reactors from plan to reduce amount of groundwater — Nuclear Officials: Land could start ‘sinking’ — WSJ: Changing water flow may cause highly contaminated leak

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Risk of “disturbing the crust” around Fukushima reactors from plan to reduce groundwater flowing under plant — Nuclear Officials: Land could start ‘sinking’ — WSJ: Changing water route may cause highly contaminated leak".


    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      PS. Dedicated to Nuckelchen.

      Stick Man Banging Head On Keyboard


    • OldFool

      TEPCO did not want to spend the money on installing a zeolite trench to filter out the radiative water flows from the reactors. Too expensive, they said. Now it appears to be too late to safely implement any alternative approach. Anything they do now has Real Risks – whether it is the ice wall, massive dumping of the ground water, or doing nothing.
      I have said many times that leaving TEPCO in charge of that site after 3/11/11 would someday be recognized as the greatest mistake the human race has ever made in all of recorded history. The prediction of the mistake has already come true, and perhaps the recognition of the mistake will be coming true pretty soon too. In any case, this generation will be the last generation to remember the days of eating fish without fear.

      • Ontological Ontological

        Yep too expensive. But the MASSIVE cost to people in medical bills is perfectly FINE with THEM! Too bad this new MOUNTAIN of money will also NOT go to help clean up this impossible mess!

      • OldFool

        Instead of being a pack of negative party-poopers, we should look with eager optimism at all the advantages the future holds in store for a very well-deserving humanity –
        1. fish sticks that will not spoil for centuries, because the radiation will kill all the bacteria and fungi that normally cause food spoilage.
        2. fish sticks with extra Sr-90 for heat generation will be self-cooking – no oven required – ready to eat immediately, forever.
        3. fish sticks that can be assembled on a dining table to roast marshmallows or hotdogs for those unforgettable family get-togethers we will always treasure – but be sure to wear leaded glass goggles to block the beta particles that cause cataracts such as Y-90, the really Nasty daughter product of Sr-90.
        4. fish sticks with a cheerful and pretty Cerenkov glow that will make them idea for night-lights, flashlights, Christmas lights, and festive holiday lighting – no need for electricity – essentially for eternity or at least good lighting for a few centuries.
        5. fish sticks that you will be able to easily find in your refrigerator for those late midnight snacks, even if your house or refrigerator has no interior light, so you can just remove the light bulbs and save electricity.
        Who says that nuclear is not a green technology?

        • scottyji scottyji

          "You've got to look
          on the bright side
          of Life!"

        • OldFool

          Here are some more happy events that await the human race in the near future.
          (1) After many people die from the radiation, there will be a labor shortage and real hourly wages will increase (this really happened after the Black Death of 1348-1349, so we can truly look forward to it).
          (2) After many people die from the radiation, there will be much less car traffic on the freeways, so traffic jams will be far less common and commutes to work will be so much easier and faster.
          (3) After the human population drastically decreases, there will be much less pollution of the air and water and even carbon dioxide emissions should greatly decrease. Global warming might be stopped.
          (4) With the same land supporting less people, the survivors will be able to live with a much smaller population density, so things will be become less stressful, less noisy, less irritating, etc. so the survivors will be able to enjoy life.
          (5) With far less people, the technological infrastructure might collapse and the survivors might go back to the subsistence living of the upper Neolithic stone age. This should make the back-to-nature people very happy.
          With so many advantages like these, it is now apparent that we should petition TEPCO to just dump all the radiation straight into the ocean immediately so we can hasten all these wonderful benefits and bring about a golden age of happiness (for the few survivors).

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Old Fool…you hit the nail on the head…Tepco didn't want to spend any money on remediation at Fukushima, and why should they? David Icke linked to an article at Natural News (based on several sources including Enenews) that Tepco has made $4.1 Billion profit since Fukushima because of rate hikes and government bailouts.


    • We won a couple of brownie points today. Good work team!

      Court rejects startup of 2 reactors in west Japan in wake of Fukushima


      (No, you don't get a plaque).

  • weeman

    I don't care if it is a ice dam or a concrete dam, if you do not control the water intake the result is the same, the dam will overflow, we're is the logic in a dam then, none.

    • Kashiko Kashiko

      I have a question. How many reactors will it need to power this ice wall? I know it's a stupid question but no one in Japan seems to have answered it. Summer in that part of Japan is hot, and along with the heat from the coriums, the power needed to freeze the soil will be phenominal.

      • We Not They Finally

        It's not a stupid question. OBVIOUSLY the ice wall will not happen.

        BTW, let me know when they turn the place into a construction site to build the ice wall [sarc].

  • Nick

    "We are now three years into the Fukushima nuclear crisis. We still cannot see everything that's going on. What we can say for certain, though, is that neither the radiation nor the contaminated water at the plant is getting any less, and there is no guarantee that the battle against them will turn in our favor.."


    TEPCO is at the 6 minute mark!

  • norbu norbu

    Duuuhhhhhhh, there logic comes from cracker jacks, the little note inside tells them what to say……..so ignorant……..

  • Ontological Ontological

    I hate to say it but any change will no doubt have dire effect afterwards. To "stop" this travesty is purely ridiculous thinking, and ineffective as to what to do with this mess if one does attempt to clean it up?? I know we will throw it all in a landfill like they are in TX. Idiots. The ocean is dead, or dying in WAY too many places. The atmosphere is so trashed it has killed most of the birds. This damage may NOT be all from FUKU but what it IS now, IS WAY too LATE!

  • Seeing how Japan and USA have reacted to 1.79E19 Becquerels of radiation inventory at Fukushima (add 19 zeros), my faith in humanity is stretched to the limit. Now the powers that be are making a dying bronto death throes push to lie and promote a nuclear renassaince to save our environment.

    And did you know the WIPP plant in the USA has over 500 plutonium dirty bombs in three locations above ground protected by nothing but a sprinkler system, and quite a few in the WIPP underground. No joke, research it.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Stock, you are so right about WIPP.

      Essentially, we have discovered that plutonium storage containers have failed.

      The drums from Los Alamos are, as you say, dirty bombs.
      They cannot safely be kept where they are.
      They cannot be transported safely to WIPP.
      They cannot be stored safely at WIPP when they get there.
      What the hell are we going to do now?

      Then, we seem to also have bags failing all around the dirty bomb drum.
      We really seem to have two different types of plutonium storage containers that don't work.
      Deep doodo, indeed.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Sprinkler systems are awesome. They put to much faith in them though. I think that on 09-11-01, they were in place to protect the USA airspace.

  • Down The River Down The River

    WSJ: Japan Tries Ice Wall to Stem Radiation.

    They haven’t “tried” anything yet.

    • It does try to make it 'sound like' they are doing something.


      IMO – The reality is that there is nothing they can do.

      This is why a Nuclear Engineer's greatest fear was what would happen when a meltdown occurred. They convinced themselves that such a thing was preventable and could never happen. They lied a lot too.

      >>> Right now… it's 3 x MELTDOWNS sitting on a tsunami earthquake prone beach on an island with a river running under it.

      The Governments of the world are ALL responsible for this debacle and they know it. They are not going to talk about it. They will not inform you that it's time to learn about remediation even if or when the entire complex goes up in flames.

      The dumping of radioactive contaminated water into the ocean is a CRIME. Plain and simple. We even have laws stating such, but they will not be enforced.

      Q: What is a country to do, when you are virtually drowning in your own contamination?

      A: Your going to dump it, spread it, talk about low levels of no concern and smile a lot. 😉

      This is ethically and morally reprehensible!!!

      I am starting to think that some people cannot talk of Fukushima because they are in shock. 😯 Denial being a sort of self preservation instinct. Although, when it comes to radiation contamination the 'denial instinct' may not be so good for you.

      • PaciFistic PaciFistic

        …..the bottom line of blame is all other governments are also culpable…in 3+ years they haven't done anything concerted to help stem this disaster.

        Because in any serious nuclear accident, the effects are global, so globally, governments should've gotten together with Japan to work out plans for a fix.

        But as I commented in the article "CNN:'Problem from hell at Fukushima…,'" the tipping point for Earth to solve its multitude of problems, including Fukushima, was passed in 2012 and indicated as such on December 21, 2012.

        In any case, it doesn't take any amount of genius to see we are just not going to be able to put things back together, whether it's the economy, the financial system, energy resource inventory, global warming with ice melt sea-level rising, extreme weather, and now Fukushima…you name it, it's just all too much in one big devastating mix…and no will amongst authorities visible on the horizon to even start.

        And though there is a solution in this end-of-times scenario for preparing and being rid of our attachments to the material plane of existence, except for certain individuals and small groups, there's even a greater resistance to that than correcting our material issues. So it seems on that score it's every person for him/herself…

        …and I can only wish you all Good Luck and minimal pain and suffering in the time that remains!

  • YukonRadiation YukonRadiation

    Sorry but all of this is too late! only hope and it is a long shot is too chase the Coriums ? what about last nights posting of the Tepco video cams on number 4 and the possible fire? anyone hear anything about that or is it just lights and fog? no matter ?

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Tell me ONE THING the Ice Wall does better or cheaper than an Impermeable Wall Enclosure around Reactors1-4?

    On the other hand…
    Here is a list of the things an Impermeable Wall Enclosure does that the Ice Wall won't do:
    1. The Impermeable Wall Enclosure won't cost a single dime to run, while an Ice Wall probably needs its own Nuclear Plant. 🙁
    2. The Impermeable Wall is higher then ground level, making flood control easy, while a Frozen Wall won't stop flooding at all.
    3. The Impermeable Wall will keep on working if the power goes out.
    4. The Impermeable Wall will not melt when it tries to enclose 3 Underground Rogue Nuclear Reactors.

    (Hey, all you supposedly smart Japanese engineers: What do you think is going to happen when you cut groundwater flow that is at present COOLING those 3 underground Rogue Nuclear Reactors, eh? Think, just maybe, that they will HEAT UP the groundwater that remains?)

    5. The Impermeable Wall Enclosure can become a part of the Ultimate Heat Sink for the 3 Underground Rogue Nuclear Reactors if cooling towers need to be built, while the Frozen Wall will simply melt when it tries to shut off the flow of cooling groundwater.
    6. The Impermeable Wall is already 1/4 complete, while the tests for the Frozen Wall raised more questions than it answered.
    7. The Impermeable Wall is a technology that has been proven to work.
    Build an Enclosure.
    Build the inland part first, so the plant isn't flooded.

    Get it? 😉

    • J.

      Any informed person at this stage has to wonder how much of the decision-making process (ice wall versus conventional construction, for example) is corrupted by under-the-table deals and scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours calculations. Construction is notoriously dirty business in most countries and particularly in Japan — the corrupt road-building lobby has been the subject of several exposes — and Jake Adelstein has repeatedly pointed out organized crime links to NPPs.

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      P.U.N. ::> Yup, I agree your impermeable wall concept is a good idea in the long-run..
      ..but as an experienced engineer knows that all plans have ups&downs and ins&outs.

      Many negative comments here about the ice-wall concept.
      Many confused comments here about water level management.

      IMHO: The ice-wall is a very useful plan if properly implemented within the very tangled-up scope and complexities of this disaster mitigation project. It's useful to consider that using ice-wall tech can make the solid-impermeable wall easier to build at a later point in the construction schedule. Ice-walls are often used to build permanent walls in unstable soils. Two parallel icewalls can be used to make a form for pouring concrete in the middle of a giant mudhole.

      I do have some experience with icewall tech. Icewalls are very similar to storing solar/geothermal heat underground in ice-plugs using heat-pumps. I have built many of these solar heat-pump systems, and this gives me experience for calculating the total energy required for forming and sustaining ice-walls.
      [for those of you who need some training in thermodynamics; there are some useful tutorials and texts on the web that provide the tech-tools for doing these calculations]

      Many would be quite surprised that a single LNG-tankership can freeze a 7000' diameter circle icewall.
      Fshima should be converted to an LNG-import facility.

      Would TEPCO sell Fshima to me for a buck ??? 🙂

  • razzz razzz

    Anybody have a better idea as the radioactive releases continue? Need a cheaper solution for TEPCO. So far safety and results are to expensive.

  • Nick

    The best idea I know of is to poison the Pacific and damage the ozone layer.

    The wayward atoms will willfully go their merry way and the 20120 Olympics will go on as planned.

    The only hitch is, the world will not be very recognizable by, say 2016.

    Things will happen fast folks. Japan will collapse, taking much of the world's economy with it.

    I suggest everyone focus awareness on the immediate future.

    No technique can possibly improve one's DNA, we are all trapped in the arrow of time….entropy awaits.

    • Sickputer

      Speaking of troubled Olympics…

      Rio, the 6th largest city in the Americas at nearly 12 million residents, pollutes their 2016 Olympic-water sports bay with dead bodies, raw sewage, and probably produces more Atlantic ocean pollution than half a dozen western African coastal cities.

      New York Times May 19, 2014

      Note to Olympic Sailors: Don’t Fall in Rio’s Water


      "Calling the bay “dark, brown and stinking,” Lars Grael, 50, a Brazilian sailing legend who won two Olympic medals, said he had encountered human corpses on four occasions while sailing in the bay. He told reporters that officials should move the sailing events to a resort area hours away by car."

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I would like to see the look on the eugenicist's faces when they try to figure this one out.

  • Sickputer

    Risk of disturbing "crust"? How about risk of disturbing "corium crusts"?

    The underground water cooling three hundred-ton uranium cores (one with really hot MOX powder) is probably the only reason the plant hasn't been evacuated and 40 million central Japan citizens relocated.

    When they start interfering with those cooling aquifer currents by their dozen diverter water wells, they may be shocked to see what kind of Fukuzilla they are dealing with 3 years after the meltdowns began. They have not lost their fission spring (think of TG's slinky analogy).

  • TooExpensiveToMatter

    If they disturb the crust, what happens to the cores in those nuclear pie(l)s?

    Does it even matter?

    I thought the pie(l)s had already been burnt to apple crisp.

    • Sickputer

      TE typed these pixels of light:

      "If they disturb the crust, what happens to the cores in those nuclear pie(l)s?
      Does it even matter?"

      SP: The "pie" is still very hot…even at TMI and Unit 4 Chernobyl.

      The nucleorats have extensive research in "disturbing" corium crusts. Big breakdown I posted a few months ago about the French corium melt tests. The big nukies know a whole lot after a half-century of their own unintentional accidents.

      Some good techno jargon in some other corium crust tests:


      Basically if you disturb the accumulated sand/glass/steel/concrete composite outer crust…by failing to cool it or by other interventions (like a small earthquake perhaps) things can get really reactive in a hurry. A nuclear core is a hard reaction to control when it burns out of the reactor. It won't stop until you do corrective action. Which they apparently are not willing to attempt at Fukushima. So Japan is basically up a nuclear creek without any boron paddles.

      I think the fissure water and tidal flow has cooled the coriums after many episodes of China Syndrome nuclear volcanic steam episodes. Tepco is withdrawing some of that cooling water. We will see how that fares. I think they are going to stop that water withdrawal very soon based on the latest radiation readings at Good Fortune Island.

  • TooExpensiveToMatter

    If they are really clever, maybe they can figure out a way to use the melted cores to boil the ground water to produce steam to produce electricity to power the freezers that keep the ice wall frozen, a highly advanced Rube Goldberg Reactor.

    Otherwise, all that heat from the melted reactor cores is just going to waste (so to speak).

  • LOL I asked William Banzai of Zero Hedge fame to create some visual combat to help educate people on WIPP, and after a string of comments, this was a result.

    Whether you like Obama or not, I think it's hilarious.


  • antipodes

    21stCentury Yes obviously a much larger break wall would be a great 1st step in the right direction, there are also other common sense implementations that could be accomplished, but it seems the will to mitigate the disaster is near zilch from TEPCO, Japan, and the other goverments of the world.

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      antipodes; I agree >> the will to mitigate the disaster is near zilch… when we uncover the TRUTH behind this problem it will be like kicking over a can full of cockroaches.

  • Nick

    To one and all:

    I wish more of us would get the truth etched into our brain-pans.

    NO ONE on planet earth has any clue nor idea how to deal with three (if not 4 ) rogue fission piles.

    Humans are faced with something nobody thought possible.

    But face it, this nightmare is as real as it gets.

    Live for today, cherish the past, weep for your future ripped from your soul.

    • earthsmith earthsmith

      They always knew it was possible/ inevitable…..They even stated that it would happen due to the life design of the reactors(all reactors)….no worries we will figure that out when it happens. They really SUCK at figuring. Except figuring the masses are incapable of figuring it out.

  • mt1000

    BETTER vid of the big fire at SPF 4 –

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      nice mt1000. My take is that its not bright enough to be called a fire. Compare to the lights in the foreground. But it could be fire reflected in the fog. Or it could be an ionic brush discharge phenomena or something else

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Could it be the coriums traveled into the earth and hit a lava tube? Looks like it could be light from lava. I read that the ground has been cracking up there at the plant. Maybe the cracks are filling with lava.

        Maybe I have an overactive imagination on the dark side, but it sounds plausible to me.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      The "music" in that video should be classified as torture.

      Makes me wonder if there is a way to amplify and hear the radioactive particles. Or run the audio into a visual product so you don't kill yourself listening, if it's as bad as the video's noise.

  • tsfw tsfw

    Australia's water's have gone from seeing rare species, to species native to Japanese waters, to new species since 3/11. Must be a coincidence.

  • Angela_R

    "..to new species…"
    like this one, tsfw?
    The purple jellyfish http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/may/21/purple-jellyfish-with-multiple-mouths-could-be-new-species

    previously there was this: http://australianmuseum.net.au/Purple-Stinger

    but check out the beauty: http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/photos/ocean-jellyfish#/jellyfish01-mosiac-jellyfish_17905_600x450.jpg

    and note: "and though they have no brain, jellyfish have somehow been smart enough to survive for over 500 million years."
    Guess it is better to have no brain, than to be a half wit.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    All because of some ignorant men.

    Time to move on from this dastardly technology.

    We have endless amounts of energy from wind and sun.

    Endless, free, and safe.

    • Homolumina Homolumina

      You got it TBP – it started with the US military Boyz Club who wanted world supremacy. They built the bomb with stolen knowledge, they used the bomb, they produced nuke waste and they knew they cannot get rid of it ever. So they dumped it on the "dumb sheeple" (that is who we are in their mind), selling it to the people, telling us that all the other power creating plants are dirty and create global warming – a blunt lie – and nuke power is clean so they told us. That way we, then people are now paying for the nuke plants and the waste disposal – and the bad boyz keep producing their crap, dumping its consequences on us. Like all alpha males in power nowadays – it started with the Roman Empire – they are not initiated into manhood and remain territorial, aggressive, dominant, goal oriented, competitive, hierarchy forming in all structures they establish, controlling and totally disconnected from life. NOTHING will change as long as men, especially the sicko power greedy alpha male psychopaths. It is the key to waht is and the key to get of of the mess we are in – globally. I wish we could just capture them all and initiate them forcefully… and over is the nightmare…

      • Homolumina Homolumina

        "… sicko power greedy alpha male psychopaths are initiated…"

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        The Japanese and Germans were seeking atomic bombs long before the US.

        Japan Tested Atomic Bomb in NK before End of WWII?

        Did Japan test an atomic bomb in Korea in 1945?

        And the Japanese and Germans were bombing other countries in WWII long before the US who only entered the war in self defense.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        “In a series of articles written by ex-US Army CID investigator turned postwar journalist David Snell, for the Atlanta Constitution, it is claimed that the Japanese conducted a successful nuclear test in Korea shortly before the end of the War in 1945…”

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        “In 1934, Tohoku University professor Hikosaka Tadayoshi's "atomic physics theory" was released. Hikosaka pointed out the huge energy contained by nuclei and the possibility that both nuclear power generation and weapons could be created.[3] In December 1938, the German chemists Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann sent a manuscript to Naturwissenschaften reporting that they had detected the element barium after bombarding uranium with neutrons;[4] simultaneously, they communicated these results to Lise Meitner. Meitner, and her nephew Otto Robert Frisch, correctly interpreted these results as being nuclear fission[5] and Frisch confirmed this experimentally on 13 January 1939.[6] Physicists around the world immediately realized that chain reactions could be produced and notified their governments of the possibility of developing nuclear weapons.
        “World War II
        “The leading figure in the Japanese atomic program was Dr. Yoshio Nishina, a close associate of Niels Bohr and a contemporary of Albert Einstein.[7] Nishina had co-authored the Klein–Nishina formula.[8] Nishina had established his own Nuclear Research Laboratory to study high-energy physics in 1931 at Riken Institute (the Institute for Physical and Chemical Research), which had been established in 1917 in Tokyo to promote basic research.[9] Nishina had built his first 26-inch (660 mm) cyclotron in 1936, and another 60-inch (1,500 mm), 220-ton cyclotron in 1937. In 1938 Japan also purchased a cyclotron from the…

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Japan's Secret War: Japan's Race Against Time to Build Its Own Atomic Bomb Paperback
        by Robert K. Wilcox (Author)

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        The US didn't build the bomb with stolen knowledge. Scientists immigrated to the US because it was so repressive in their totalitarian home countries, and they successfully built the bomb to defend the US against the totalitarian dictators who were attacking the US since before 1941.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            From you link operation paperclip was after the end of WWII. The scientists who came before the end of WWII were not part of operation paperclip.

            "Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program in which over 1,500 German scientists, technicians, and engineers from Nazi Germany and other foreign countries were brought to the United States for employment in the aftermath of World War II.[1] "

            Oppenheimer, for example, was born in the US.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              "…Although the JIOA's recruitment of German scientists began after the Allied victory in Europe on May 8, 1945, U.S. President Harry Truman did not formally order the execution of Operation Paperclip until August 1945. …"

              Operation paperclip was after the first bomb test.

              Unlike Russia, the US doesn't kill off those who were fighting against the US.

          • SadieDog

            "Operation Paperclip was the codename under which the US intelligence and military services extricated scientists from Germany, during and after the final stages of World War II. The project was originally called Operation Overcast, and is sometimes also known as Project Paperclip.

            Of particular interest were scientists specialising in aerodynamics and rocketry (such as those involved in the V-1 and V-2 projects), chemical weapons, chemical reaction technology and medicine. These scientists and their families were secretly brought to the United States, without State Department review and approval; their service for Hitler's Third Reich, NSDAP and SS memberships as well as the classification of many as war criminals or security threats also disqualified them from officially obtaining visas. An aim of the operation was capturing equipment before the Soviets came in. The US Army destroyed some of the German equipment to prevent it from being captured by the advancing Soviet Army."

            • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

              Here are a few of the 700 suspicious characters who were allowed to immigrate through Project Paperclip. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mj12_29.htm

              "I just got a shipment in of captured material…. I have just talked to Vance and they are taking it off the ship…. I have about 80 cases of U powder in cases. He (Vance) is handling all of that now."iii
              Telephone transcript between Manhattan Project security officers
              Major Smith and Major Traynor, 14 June,1945.

              Hirschfeld's straightforward account of the uranium being "highly radioactive" – he later witnessed the storage tubes being tested with Geiger counters,vi – and labeled "U235" provides profoundly important information about this cargo. U235 is the scientific designation of enriched uranium – the type of uranium required to fuel an atomic bomb. While the uranium remained a secret from all but the highest levels within the United States until after the surrender of U-234, a captured German ULTRA encoder/decoder had allowed the Western Allies to intercept and decode German and Japanese radio transmissions. Some of these captured signals had already identified the U-boat as being on a special mission to Japan and even identified General Kessler and much of his cortege as likely to be onboard, but the curious uranium was never mentioned. The strictest secrecy was maintained, nonetheless, around the U-boat.

              • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                On 23 May, the cargo manifest of U-234 was translatedxii by the office of Naval Intelligence, quickly triggering a series of events. On the second page of the manifest, halfway down the page, was the entry "10 cases, 560 kilograms, uranium oxide."

                Whatever the answers, within four days personnel from the Office of Naval Intelligence had brought U-234's second watch officer, Karl Pfaff – who had not been brought to Washington with the original batch of high-level prisoners, but who had overseen loading of the U-boat in Germany – to Washington and interrogated him. They quickly radioed Portsmouth:

                Pfaff prepared manifest list and knows kind documents and
                cargo in each tube. Pfaff states…uranium oxide loaded in
                gold cylinders and as long as cylinders not opened can be
                handled like crude TNT. These containers should not be
                opened as substance will become sensitive and dangerous.xiii

                To prevent the loss to contamination of the invaluable enriched uranium, gold was used. Gold is one of the most stable substances on earth. While expensive, Mr. Larsen explained, the cost of gold was a drop in the bucket compared to the value of enriched uranium. Would raw uranium, rather than enriched uranium, be stored in gold containers, I asked? Not likely, Mr. Larsen responded. The value of raw uranium is, and was at the time, inconsequential compared to the cost of gold.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                The bomb test on July 16, 1945 used plutonium, not uranium.

                On 16 July 1945, a Y-1561 model Fat Man known as the gadget for security reasons was detonated in a test explosion at a remote site in New Mexico, known as the "Trinity" test. It gave a yield of about 20 kilotonnes (84 TJ

  • rogerthat

    On the subject of the Fukushima ''fire'', Mochizuki says not unit 4. Worth a look:
    NO evidence to support the rumor of “fire on reactor4 …
    11 hours ago – I can't objectively assert there was absolutely no fire in Fukushima plant on 5/20/ 2014, but I can at least state the rumor maker doesn't know where reactor …

  • NoFixedID

    What 'crust'? Is this an admission that the stratum on which the plant is built is underlain by the geological equivalent of blancmange?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "Changing water flow may cause highly contaminated leak."

    THAT hasn't stopped the brainiacs from anything they have done SO FAR.

    Up to this point, it appears that the goal all along has been to create highly contaminated leaks.

    Are they trying to make people believe that isn't what is happening right now, yesterday, tomorrow, and all points before and after?

    We need to change the flags of all nuclear power enabled countries to a man whipping a dead horse, with atoms spinning around the horse (nucleus)

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    They built a house of cards on a castle made of sand and are now worried about the nearby ocean. Scotty, beam me up…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Ice wall. Truly, when it happens hell will freeze over.

  • Nick

    Ever check out how much water an operating nuclear reactor uses per hour?

    The reactor innards that didn't go stratospheric are bubbling, dusting, and fizzing extremely deadly radiation 24/7.

    The very ground at FD-NPP heaved and no one has a clue what the current hydrology is.

    Reducing water coming from elsewhere is probably a positive. BUt, there is still a vast amount of intentional water being utilized and hence radioactive.

    Even with an ice wall…..you will still have to deal with vast amounts of radioactive water used to cool what remains of the awol cores. Then there is the cooling needs of the common fuel pool, etc.

    Regardless, things are FUBAR.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      From 3.20.11 FOIA Docs

      #1 SFP – 5 Tons/Day = 1250 Gal/Day

      #2 SFP – 20 Tons/Day = 5000 Gal/Day

      #3 SFP – 10 Tons/Day = 2500 Gal/Day

      #4 SFP – 72 Tons/Day = 18,000 Gal/Day

      #4 had 10X the decay heat load of #3 due to recent fuel offload.

      "when we see pictures, there is NEVER any steam coming off #4"

      "no steam off pool…which implies it's dry"

      So ENE'ers…how could #4 still have fuel in a pool?

      Something else is happening there.

      • Good question Pinksailmatt! And the old adage "water, water everywhere….and not a drop to drink" keeps pounding through my brain when I think about any nuclear reactor's voracious needs.

      • Sickputer

        PSM writes: "So ENE'ers…how could #4 still have fuel in a pool?"

        SP: They rebuilt the circulating cooling water system in the summer of 2011. Not always successful as the many spent fuel fires in the winter of 2011-2012 proved the plant was nowhere near the "cold shutdown condition" claimed by Tepco in December 2011.

        But that cooling water has to be replenished and replaced regularly. The contaminated water was stored for awhile, but they soon realized the only option is to funnel the hot water into the ocean. Nuclear technicians worldwide do the same thing with radioactive cooling water discarded into rivers, lakes, and oceans. It's a horrible industry that destroys human habitats. Few leaders have had the courage to oppose the industry. Many who tried met the fate of John Kennedy.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Sickputer…what do you make of Theo Theofanous's talk at the UCSB? Seems to go along with Arnie…when the zirc cladding catches fire, water wont put it out and the entire spent fuel will melt through.

          loosely quoted;

          in the fourth reactor there is an explosion on top of the fuel pool. There are four to six cores in the spent fuel pool, fully radioactive…there is fire and explosion which destroys the roof, the secondary containment. Once the pool looses water, the zirconium cladding catches fire and is autocatalytic. The known situation…to those who are following it…reactors 1,2 and 4 have lost the spent fuel pools and the fuel is destroyed in there. Fuel pools in 5 and 6 are overheating. The good news is that fire trucks are coming. So the solution is to collapse the spent fuel pool into the floor with controlled explosives. Then they can keep it covered with water. However because there is plutonium it can reach re-criticality

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            I guess people are bored with this re-hashed subject…but this again raises the question I had about the massive structure around unit 4. That is one unusually strong structure. Could they have built that to remove whats left of the spent fuel rods that have no cladding and have probably long since melted through the floor? Or maybe they did keep the pool full of water sufficient to keep the unclad rods from melting through, and the structure is a gantry used to lower it/deal with large weights in some way. Ive seen the photos inside the structure but its so pristine as to be non believable…

            We recall the words of Japan’s former Ambassador to Switzerland, Mr. Mitsuhei Murata about consequence of loosing unit 4 spent fuel pool;

            It would destroy the world environment and our civilization. This is not rocket science, nor does it connect to the pugilistic debate over nuclear power plants. This is an issue of human survival.

            and NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko;

            "We believe at this point that unit 4 may have lost a significant inventory, if not lost all of its water,"

            Meanwhile people go on merrily as if fuel rod removal is going smoothly and on schedule…

    • TooExpensiveToMatter

      Ice walls are like ice cream cones.

      They inevitably melt.

      And the adults are left with a mess to clean up.

      By all indications, as with the melted ice cream, TEPCO will undoubtedly use napkins or paper towels to do their "cleanup".

      In fact, I'd lay money that they already have a huge warehouse of them nearby just waiting.

      Remember when Exxon used paper towels to clean up their spill in Mayflower Arkansas?


      Very high tech. Seems to be the industry standard.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Two can play at this..

    May 24, 2014 at 1:41 am ·
    Did you notice his mail

    05.22.14 UPDATE
    Subject: Fw: URGENT: Is Fukushima Burning?
    Date: 10:25 PM EDT, 05/21/14
    “mitsuhei murata”
    To: “Rima Laibow”
    Cc: “Ralph Fucetola JD”
    Dear Dr. Rima and Counsel Ralph,
    The responsible division at the METI has confirmed that
    Fukushima is not burning at present.
    They are looking into the cause of the fire
    shown in the video.
    I will stay in contact for further development.
    Best wishes,
    Mitsuhei Murata

    METI are looking into the cause of the fire.
    Tacit admission there was a fire?

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