Published: September 24th, 2012 at 7:07 am ET
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Interview with Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen
Capitol Forum (Sundays at 8a CT)
Sept 23, 2012
At ~50:00 in
Host: One of the few reports that did come out, what the government is testing, and that’s one of the problems we’ve got here is the government is not releasing information, is the tuna situation. 15 out of 15 I believe tested positive. Where are the current results, because this was, I don’t know, by now it’s probably been over a year-old results. So what is the latest on that? Are we getting any good information on that as far as what the government is seeing as far as food, air, water? Are the giving us any information at all?
Fairewinds’ Arnie Gundersen, Nuclear Engineer: Everything you said was exactly right. The last tuna data was a year old and nothing has been published since then. Now I don’t know, it’s hard to believe the researchers don’t have the data. I’m sure that the follow-up to that, somebody was collecting tuna data but whether the journals are sitting on it — And we know scientific journals have stopped publication of some of the data.
[COMMERCIAL BREAK]
Gundersen: I’m sure the scientists are taking data and I’m sure they are trying to get their data published. We’re seeing a lot of resistance in the major scientific journals, the peer-reviewed journals, to allowing this information to get through. Because again the peer-reviewed journals are controlled by this nuclear priesthood, so it’s difficult. Hopefully some more good science will come up that we can talk about next time.
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Published: September 24th, 2012 at 7:07 am ET
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The biggest name in scientific/academic publishing is "Elsevier", about which organization:
"An editorial in the medical journal The Lancet in September 2005 sharply criticized the journal's owner and publisher, Reed Elsevier, for its participation in the international arms trade."
"At a 2009 court case in Australia where Merck & Co. was being sued by a user of Vioxx, the plaintiff alleged that Merck had paid Elsevier to publish the Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine, which had the appearance of being a peer-reviewed academic journal but in fact contained only articles favourable to Merck drugs."
"According to the BBC "The firm [Elsevier] offered a $25 Amazon voucher to academics who contributed to the textbook Clinical Psychology if they would go on Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble (a large US books retailer) and give it five stars." Elsevier said that "encouraging interested parties to post book reviews isn't outside the norm in scholarly publishing, nor is it wrong to offer to nominally compensate people for their time. But in all instances the request should be unbiased, with no incentives for a positive review, and that's where this particular e-mail went too far", and that it was a mistake by a marketing employee."
On and on. No more room:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
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Can you say, "Conflict of Interest" ?
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And "Ethical Issue" ?
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Scientists outside the nuclear family have little access to the kind of measurement equipment needed for independent analysis. Nobody is going to make a fool of themselves doing a study based on the fake measurements they are allowed to access.
And if you were working at a university that got buckets of taxpayer money for DoD or DOE-sponsored research, what's your incentive to publish something they would otherwise want to censor? Riding the DOE gravy train has its consequences unless you want to be a greeter at Wal-mart next week.
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Testing wild birds, spiders and weeds
avoiding people and their food needs -
ok a quick scan over rice, cows and tea -
all good! eat up! and then report please
to Dracushitas' lab. Get to your knees!
Smile for the records and sign this release!
Fill this prescription for drugs to pain ease!
Now get out of here and don't come back for years!
You'll be labelled contaminoid if we see tears!
Don't trust the Russians or the Chinese
or anyones' testing including Greenpeace
as it's all a plot Territorial-ese
to kill Happy Spirit of Good Japanese!
Buy a Tep-JGov-Co Baby doll, give it a squeeze
inhale deeply the mist and feel worries ease!
"OR-WELL!!!"
"WHAT??? oh…hi Fingers!"
"What are you doing?"
"i'm publishing science stuff!"
"Don't hit Submi
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or-well: super.
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PWIII typed these pixels of intelligent light:
"And if you were working at a university that got buckets of taxpayer money for DoD or DOE-sponsored research, what's your incentive to publish something they would otherwise want to censor? Riding the DOE gravy train has its consequences unless you want to be a greeter at Wal-mart next week"
SP: What seems puzzling is how these Big Brother zombies stay loyal liars long after retirement. What is it that promotes such loyalty? Possibly multigenerational family members constantly needing favors in the employ of the system.
They are indeed a different breed, and greed trumps honesty for the vast majority. Fat retirements. Lucrative bonuses. Just toe the line and parrot the official policy. They exemplify even more than the Japanese that the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.
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REMEMBER THIS HEADLINE:
"We’ve got to stop labs from testing for Fukushima radiation —“Tell them to back off” — Worried about them talking to press about ‘consequences’"
http://enenews.com/nrc-weve-stop-labs-testing-fukushima-radiation-directors-knock-doe-cool-worried-about-talking-press-about-consequences
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There's no reason to believe government reports. We need honest research scientists.
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"…We need honest research scientists…"
Sorry, but you're way to late for that wish to ever come true. The industry owns the research from university freshmen to the head of the IAEA and everyone in between. Anyone going rouge will be banned for life and branded a kook. Their research will never be published. That's just the way the system is built.
Yuri Bandazhevshy's 'honest' research about Chernobyl remained hidden and censored for years. It cost him his home, his country and his medical career.
Nothing wrong with the intention of your wish, but it's NOT a matter of someone deciding that the research is needed. It's more like hoping that some Fukushima Medical University researcher will kiss his family goodbye and voluntarily jump into a meat grinder for you.
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you are good PavewayIII…
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Its so disappointing what you say is true.
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Repost with many thanks from:
TheBowRiver on ENEnews
March 20, 2012 at 1:54 am · Reply
You are quite correct about what we should expect. What I have a deep ethical concern about is the coercion of our Universities etc. Like other ills currently in our society, these connections to nuclear energy are an absolute evil and against the public good. Maybe I am overstating how tight the bond is, but, as an example from the NEI member roster, Does the University of Tokyo have the freedom to publish anything which would place the nuclear industry in a bad light? Other university members below.
University of Alabama
University of Alberta
University of Antofagasta, Chile
University of Arizona
University of Bologna
University of California
University of Cincinnati
University of Colorado
University of Denver
University of Detroit
University of Florida
University of Idaho
University of Illinois
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts
University of Michigan
University of Missouri
University of Nevada, Las Vegas
University of New Mexico
University of North Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Pittsburgh
University of Rhode Island
University of South Carolina
The University of Tennessee
University of Texas at Austin
University of Texas of the Permian Basin
The University of the District of Columbia
The University of Tokyo
University of Virginia
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
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NEI being Nuclear Energy Institute, for those who are acronym-challenged. Butter wouldn't meltdown in their mouths, according to their website:
http://www.nei.org/
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The equipment, the universities, and the scientists that have access to the equipment that can test for radiation are all bought and paid for by the nuke industry. And who can blame the nuke industry? This is exactly the way to handle the situation if you want to hide the many problems with nuclear power from the public.
So we have a situation where the universities that actually have the equipment to test air, soil, water, and food for radiation can't and won't act in the public interest to do the reserch and make their results public.
Students at these universities need to stage takeovers of their nuclear departments, run the necessary tests, and make their results public right here on ENEnews. Please!
ENEnewsers have to self fund the research effort. We must band together in major metropolitan areas to buy the necessary equipment and run the tests ourselves. We know the news will be bad, but the people deserve to know what the nuke industry has done to us all.
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How about a Save The Earth Day?
"…these universities need to stage takeovers of their nuclear departments, run the necessary tests, and make their results public" – PhilipUpNorth
They would most likely be labeled terrorists, rioters, or even worse — hippies. I can remember many back in the 70's making fun of those 'hippies' marching on Earth Day.
Well, nobody's laughing now.
side note:
Earth Day: "…credited to Gaylord Nelson, a U.S. Senator from Wisconsin. After witnessing the ravages of the 1969 massive oil spill in Santa Barbara, California, and inspired by the student anti-war movement, he called for an environmental teach-in, or Earth Day, Over 20 million people participated that year."
– wiki Earth Day
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PUN..>>"Students at these universities need to stage takeovers of their nuclear departments, run the necessary tests, and make their results public right here on ENEnews. Please!"<<
That would be a great idea if it weren't 2012. Just look at the way TPTB crushed the Occupy movment. The now-militarily-armed campus Police would not let anything like this happen. Those days are over, and we can't go back.
What to do? Try to crush the powers that are killing us as Mario Savio admonished us to do all those years ago. We have nothing to lose but our lives which we are losing anyway.
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Anti-Nuclear Daze
1 jam a journo
2 crunch a 'crat
3 neuter a nuker
wherever they're at
4 crash a corpy
5 shiver a shill
6 pluck a professor
give them all thrills
7 tremble a teacher
8 devil a doctor
9 plague a nuke preacher
with a shocker
10 sting a celebrity
11 finger a flack
12 sour a scientist
12 ways of whack.
"or-well – what are you doing???"
"i'm counting my toes Fingers – i think i've mutated!"
"Don't be silly. This is serious."
"i know. will you check me for lumps?"
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We don't need a scientific journal to tell us we stepped in doggie dodo. We clearly witnessed the doggie doing its thing. We can feel the warm gooey mess oozing around our toes. We smell the strong odor of pet feces. Must we taste it to confirm? Don't let healthcare and media amputate our feet to save face. Look, the only science we are getting these days is a pile of doggie do and you must act on information that you have gleened early on in this disaster. Wash your childs hands frequently, stay out of the rain, peel your fruits and vegetables and lay off the iron supplements.
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Yes, Research on Fukushima is skimpy.
Here are a few:
—-> The National Institute of Health did a study on:
(1) "The biological impacts of the Fukushima nuclear accident on the pale grass blue butterfly"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3414864/
(2) Thyroid doses of Fukushima evacuees:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3395030/
(3) Heatstroke in Japan after Fukushima
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3156841/
And there are more if you look to the right of any of these abstracts, it says "Related citations…"
—-> A Stanford study estimated Fukushima caused:
"..anywhere from 15 to 1,300 deaths and from 24 to 2,500 cases of cancer, mostly in Japan…"
[ yeah, i think those #'s are low, too, but it's more than ZERO deaths, which is what nuclear pushers are saying ]
http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/cancerresearchnews/2012/FukushimaNuclearDisasterHealthImpact
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Those are just the publications that slipped under the NIH radar. They are not only willing to censor public health research – they put out PRs announcing that fact. NIH is part of the scientific Stasi.
Recent cases of H5N1 'Avian Flu' are seen to be 60% lethal in humans, but the current strains of this virus has difficulty being passed to any mammals. Research has identified the genetics responsible for that limitation, and warn that relatively simple mutations could remove that limitation = making it highly contagious to humans. That's important information for everyone.
The NIH would prefer that information remain secret and the researchers eliminate details from their papers. Which means there's little use in publishing those papers. "What the public doesn't know, terrorists won't know" Which, unfortunately, stifles any follow-on research on effects, immunizations or cures.
http://www.nih.gov/news/health/dec2011/od-20.htm
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"…scientific Stasi." is just too good! Nice blend!!!
As it's conjectured by some that we'll be approaching forty-to-sixty-percent cancer levels in the populace over the next decade, I hope all those within the scientific community who kept their heads low, don't mind when it comes-time for their 'loved' ones…
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Pave & After…and they have got a new one waiting — SARS — Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (new version of this ellusive, drug resistant strain of Sars CoV. I prefer the acronym Severe Atomic Reactor Syndrome! Who knows?
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@dharmasyd: good to see you out here! When you get a chance, send an email to: <darkREMOVElite@hushREMOVEmail.REMOVEcom>. I made up the perfect avatar graphic for you. I know you'll love it. Now…it's back to the grinder for me…
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Suppression of the facts by the powers that be which denies the populace the means to mitigate and understand the necessary information that is needed to sustain life itself is a criminal act.
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Can someone help me find a LINK to the full version of this interview with Gundersen.
The link provided does not work because it links to a schedule without clickable programs
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I'm not finding it either, majia. The older ones seem OK, e.g.:
http://fairewinds.org/content/capitol-forum-japanese-demonstrators-continue-major-civil-disobedience-action-against-nuke-r
Perhaps it will be fixed soon.
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This should get you close, Majia:
http://republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=A.archives
Courtesy sneakpeek in post "RBN Republic Broadcasting Podcasts" from DavidIcke.com
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061050882
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thanks for trying all…
I suspect it will be posted later…
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?? The files are on that archive page link for Studio A. You have to click on "Studio A" first to get the actual Studio A shows/archive links. Its listed under
CAPITOL FORUM W/ LOUISE DUMAURIER
I think this is what you're after:
Hour 1: http://216.240.133.177/archives32/DuMaurier/2012/09/DuMaurier_1_092312_080000.mp3
Hour 2:
http://216.240.133.177/archives32/DuMaurier/2012/09/DuMaurier_2_092312_090000.mp3
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2012
MP3 Files: Hour 1, Hour 2
Playlist Files: PLS M3U
Tom Ritter: Must Listen, Must Heed and Must Act: Arnie Gundersen: the chief engineer and an expert witness for Fairewinds Associates with 40-years of nuclear power engineering experience managing and coordinating projects at 70-nuclear power plants in the US joins the broadcast during the first hour to share his expertise on nuclear engineering related issues crucial to public understanding. Topics range from updates on Japan nuclear facilities, his speaking tour in Japan, feeding school children contaminated food, lessons learned from recent nuclear events and alternate energy. Related info: Fairewinds Energy Education http://www.fairewinds.org Claire Robinson world leading expert on Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) returns to the broadcast to further discuss research work regarding GMOs and their effects on ourselves and our planet. This includes the latest research of French Scientists on the health effects of GMO foods/feeds and Roundup Herbicide. Also discussed is Jeffrey…
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Thanks, link updated.
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Even if we had scientific journals, what would that tell us? Vast amounts of radioactive isotopes released, very bad many will die, not a extinction level event at moment if we loose control of FNP before we empty SFP it could be.
How to solve dilemma? At the present time that knowledge escapes mankind, but in due time a 100 to 1000 years we think we can mitigate the problem but not decommission completely cores are going to be a bit more tricky?
Nuclear madness to screw with what you do not fully comprehend or fully control and has the potential to kill everything down to a one cell organisim with 10 pounds of plutonium and their is hundreds of sites with tons.
This is pure dead brilliant.
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"…peer-reviewed journals are controlled by this nuclear priesthood, so it’s difficult." – A. Gundersen
Difficult?
I'd say nearly impossible or highly improbable.
Nuclear Priesthood
Nuclear Overlords
Nucleocrats
Nuclear 'nut balls'
Take your pick.
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The Mofackas … the biblical lost tribe … nuclear devolution coming at you !
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Dear ChasAha,
'Nuclear 'nut balls' Think I'll add this to my holiday cookie assortment this year, pistachio of course!
Aloha.
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now that's getting scary andagi.
i hope they don't glow in the dark 
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glowing balls in paradise. where have i heard that before?
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The Art of Deception: The Cult of Nuclearists, Uranium Weapons and Fraudulent Science; via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/primer-in-art-of-deception-cult-of.html
IAEA, WHO, NRC And Others; A Web Of Deception? via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/iaea-who-and-others-web-of-deception.html
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