Scientist back from Japan: Melt-through of Fukushima containment vessels being discussed — They can’t locate any of the 3 molten reactor cores — “It’s bad, it’s definitely not over”

Published: November 25th, 2013 at 1:17 am ET
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Cape Cod Times, Nov. 24, 2013: [Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Senior Scientist Ken] Buesseler, along with a team from WHOI, made the first of his three visits to the Fukushima area in June 2011 [...] the Japanese are not able to locate three molten reactor cores. There is ongoing discussion of whether the cores have undergone a meltdown or a melt-through of the containment vessels, Buesseler said. “You can’t send humans in there. It takes decades to come up with a plan,” he said. “It’s bad. It’s definitely not over yet.”

Asia Times, Nov. 18, 2013: At least some of the reactor cores are believed to have melted through the containment vessels, and possibly into the ground, contaminating groundwater with unprecedented levels of hot particles.

Kyodo, Nov. 20, 2013: The Nos. 5 and 6 reactors [...] will not actually be dismantled and instead will be used as a research facility to develop technologies for achieving the unprecedented task of removing melted fuel from the Nos. 1 to 3 crippled reactors [...]

NPR, Nov. 18, 2013: [...] And then there are the three reactors that melted down, which will pose an even greater challenge. “They have fuel not just in the pools above the reactors, but in the cores themselves. That fuel is melted down and it’s going to take a very, very long time to even figure out how to get that fuel out,” [NPR's Geoff Brumfiel] says.

More from Buesseler: NHK: There was a melt-through so Fukushima fuel is definitely down with the groundwater, and that's flowing into Pacific -- Americans need to watch, it gets international very quickly -- May already be at West Coast -- No 'immediate' risk (VIDEO)

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60 comments to Scientist back from Japan: Melt-through of Fukushima containment vessels being discussed — They can’t locate any of the 3 molten reactor cores — “It’s bad, it’s definitely not over”

  • We Not They Finally

    "contaminating groundwater with unprecedented levels of hot particles"; "it will take a very, very long time [if ever?]to even figure out how to get that melted fuel out"; "they can't locate any of the 3 molten reactor cores"; "you can't send humans in there."

    Doesn't take too many words by now to just "say it." God help us all.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    G A M B L E D . A N D . L O S T

    Nuclear reactors were developed with the hope that there'd never be a meltdown.


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    • nedlifromvermont

      @TBP: Actually responsible scientists at Brookhaven knew. This is background info in the first pages of We Almost Lost Detroit.

      These fellows predicted a 1 in 500 reactor-operating years probability of a bad accident involving a core melt.

      They tried to find a way around this and couldn't.

      It took Norman Rasmussen (MIT) to do 'probabilistic' studies (read junk math) to come up with a number the nuker industrialists liked. Rasmussen definitely had his 'management hat' on.

      The Brookhaven guys arrived at a pivotal meeting with AEC chairman Lewis Strauss, apprised of the results of the study, fully expecting the civilian reactor program to be abandoned.

      Chairman Strauss kept the study locked in his office safe, so the civilian reactor program was green-lighted, to the astonishment of the honest scientists in the room.

      This is how "bidness" is done, in a fully corrupted, money above all else, society of loser-misfits.

      Welcome to reality. They knew. And the full build out envisioned 1000 reactors, mostly run on recycled plutonium … hence the "plutonium economy" for which the Interstate Highway Act was passed in 1956, and close on the heels of that, Price-Anderson liability caps in summer of 1957: the nation's first civilian nuke, at Shippingport, PA, basically the USS Nautilus' reactor up-sized, switched on only six weeks later.

      Not hard to connect the dots.

      Much harder to retrieve volatilized hot particles.

      They knew. Bad idea.

      peace


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      • Gasser Gasser

        Johnny Cash; If I were a Carpenter

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=neeaXbKG5so

        ~~~~~~~~
        If I were a Nuclear scientist
        
And you were a lady

        Would you marry me anyway
        
And have my radioactive baby?

        If a tinker of Nuclear Atoms were my trade

        Would you still love me

        Carryin' the Isotopes I made

        Followin' radioactively behind me?

        Save my love from scientific loneliness

        Save my love through sorrows

        I've given you my contaminated onliness

        Give me your cancer tomorrows.

        If I worked my hands in Plutonium

        Would you still hug me?

        Answer me, babe, “yes, I would.

        I would radiate you above me."

        If I were a recycler… yeah…
        
At a Nuclear wheel rod grindin'

        Would you ware a radioactive blouse
        
Little girl, with your soft shoes glowin'?

        If we are Cesium contaminated
        
And you are a dying lady

        Should we get married anyway
        
And have a deformed baby?

        Save our love in isolated loneliness

        Save our love through deaths sorrows
        
I've given you my radioactive onliness
        
Hoping we have some tomorrows.

        ~Gasser Classic~


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      • John Cook

        Thank you very much for that information – I like names and places being revealed amd spread around so they can never be forgotten. I Dream that one day they will not be able any longer to pretend lack of Indivual Responsibility. They WILL face trial. Many will hang.


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  • Alpha1

    Instead we will let it keep burning so we can kill whatever is left on the planet we did not get!!!!

    These are sick people maybe not people just evil sick beings sadistic with no souls. They are killing everything look at the current eco system. If anyone wants to believe in this any further go ahead but the longer you stay and listen to them in the west coast the more children you will watch die off and the more of humanity you are being part of murdering.

    Just FYI atomic particles do not dissolve in water so they do not dilute nor do they disperse as soon as they hit water the water becomes radiated and as it accumulates it get even more irradiated. there will be no more lies there will be only more lives lost. They continue to prove they are draconian lizard devil worshipers and are succeeding in mass hypnosis to destroy all life on this planet!!!!!


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    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      Alpha1,
      Really wise thoughts….
      Please keep on posting…. since people here has started discussing and arguing…
      We need peace of mind and knowledge…. so de can decide the best….
      Thanks for sharing.


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    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      And I certainly think that those criminals mounted an absurd stage keeping everybody concerned with something that is not anymore… while intended to justify olympics or… hopefully no, do something much more criminal…. if possible…
      My best whishes for you.


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      • VanneV anne

        Perhaps what the original NRC dialogue concerning SFP #4 meant was not that there were no more fuel rods there but no more USABLE fuel rods. The SFP was maybe a huge loss in investment and a failure of their great (in their minds) MOX experiment and it had just become a colossal failure. All nuclear so-called regulatory agencies care about is promoting nuclear energy. They think nothing about lives lost. They are just advertising agencies that only think about their [tarnished] golden eggs.

        The usable spent fuel pool was no longer usable and they would never be able to restart the reactor again.

        I think they are restarting #5 and #6 supposedly as an experiment. Since all nuclear power is an experiment, they will probably be doing research with MOX fuel again.

        Idiots never learn.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    What they said…

    Containment Vessels should not be removed, but should be filled with grout. Please stop pumping water through these three reactors. There is nothing to cool in there any longer.

    Why does it matter WHERE the 3 cores are? Because if the 3 cores are in the ground underneath the plant, then the amount of contamination picked up by groundwater flowing under the plant, and into the Pacific Ocean will prove lethal to most lifeforms in the Pacific Ocean Ecosystem. It has become clear that stopping the groundwater from flowing under the plant is the top priority.

    Nothing is being done to stop the groundwater from picking up nuclear debris under the plant.
    Not one thing.
    Work on the Half Impermeable Wall has been stopped.
    Work on the Frozen Wall has not begun.
    Nothing is being done to locate the 3 missing cores.
    TEPCO wants us to believe that 257 tonnes of molten nuclear fuel is simply missing, and cannot be located by any means whatsoever? ENEnewsers have probably come up with 50 good methods to locate the missing corium.

    Can you say "Ground Penetrating Radar" boys and girls?

    Japan could release comprehensive imaging of the 3 missing cores (or of the 3 corium lava tubes they left in their wake as they departed the area) by noon today if they wanted to.

    Where is the damn corium, eh, TEPCO? ;)


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    • JMR

      Or they know exactly where the cores are and they aren't telling anyone because the news is worse than anyone would believe.


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        The worst case scenerio has already happened at Fukushima.
        The following video ended atomic power as a viable energy source on Planet Earth.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k3Ofs6R9cg. :)

        How can TEPCO's announcement to the public of the actual location of the 3 missing cores make this news any worse for atomic power?

        Come on, TEPCO. You can tell us. ;)


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        • soern

          TEPCO isn't listening to us here!
          But they know what they do:
          Doing some action and hero show at sfp4
          Success Story constructed as i said.
          And waiting for Mt. Daiichi Volcano:

          Molten Fuel doesn't get cooler by time as
          there is a continous chain reaction as each molten core alone represents one critical mass.
          I don't like to cite Arnie Gunderson, but as he said, if two
          rods get in touch while removing them (sfp4), there will start a chain reaction… he was right.
          Well if more than 100 tons of fuel rods melt together,
          you get a self sustaining chain reaction which easily provides that heat you need to melt down to Magma!
          Childish to argue against physics!
          We will see everything happen as it is said long time ago.
          Look to the sky
          If you see a cross there
          some weeks are left
          Signs have started already
          imho


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  • SS4U SS4U

    “You can’t send humans in there. It takes decades to come up with a plan,” he said. “It’s bad. It’s definitely not over yet.”

    ~~~
    decades, as in 10,000 years ?
    we're screwed. them, too.


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  • pkjn

    110,000 Bq/Kg of Cs-134/137 from spotbelly rockfish of Fukushima plant port
    November 24th, 2013 Fukushima Diary
    110,000 Bq/Kg of Cs-134/137 was measured from spotbelly rockfish of Fukushima plant port. This is 1,100 times higher even than the safety limit.
    Cs-134 : 34,000 Bq/Kg
    Cs-137 : 76,000 Bq/Kg
    101,000 Bq/kg of Cs-134/137 was also measured from marbled rockfish collected. This sample was from the port too.
    Radiation level of marine products is still significantly high.
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/11/110000-bqkg-of-cs-134137-from-spotbelly-rockfish-of-fukushima-plant-port/


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  • Mack Mack

    A Fukushima citizen talks about health problems she is seeing from Fukushima —>

    * " I can go on forever about the kind of health issues that require medical treatment."

    * "For example, the cousin of my acquaintance had a baby several months after the earthquake – this baby was born with a hole in the heart."

    * "an acquaintance, my sister and her husband, and another relative were all diagnosed with cancer and had to undergo surgery"

    * "blood tests have shown that my two children and I have thyroid problems"

    * "Diarrhea every day, nose-bleeding, canker sores, abnormal growths inside the nose. These are all symptoms that my family and friends began experiencing after the nuclear power plant explosion."

    She also discusses how underhanded Japan gov't is being regarding radiation info.

    For example:

    (a) the gov't says "thyroid cancer is a life-style related disease"

    (b) the gov't said up to 100 millisieverts is safe, so school lunches were based on this high radiation amount

    (c) no facility would do a whole-body count on her children

    (d) when people were able to get tested, they couldn't get their results

    (e) the gov't said radiation was half what it really was in Iwaki City

    (f) they gave her a document saying iodine and cesium were not dangerous

    (g) they wouldn't give her info on strontium or plutonium because they said it would "confuse the residents"


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  • ejordan ejordan

    We have organized a global protest against Fukushima (and nuclear power in general) on NOV 29/30, 2013 all over the world.

    Its called the Post Ignorance Project: Yellow and Black Friday. November 29/30.

    Website: http://www.thepostignoranceproject.com
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/postignorance

    Join us.


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  • Urban27

    After two and a halv years – and still don know where the nuke cores are!! Why isn't this big news?

    The most important part of the whole – These hundreds of tonnes are more than enough to kill all life ón earth – And no head lines?

    If it wasnt for this radioactive waste – there wouldnt be any problem – it is these cores that are the BIG issue! Journalists and other media people must report.


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  • RememberThis RememberThis

    I'm in support of a total MSM desertion.

    I will personally begin immediately.

    Join me :)


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  • rnix rnix

    Around….and around….
    the nuclear power plant…..
    Tepco chased the fuel rods….
    Tepco stops to turnaround…..
    Pop goes the fuel rods.


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  • Usefulbreather

    It is painfully obvious almost three years into this that the goal is not to clean it up, but to let it fester and kill off as much of the global biosphere as is possible. The goal can't be reached because it has never been set, the real goal is global genocide. They have been very successful up to this point and the future is looking great for them as well. So the murderers are in charge of the investigation and cleanup, which is why insane figures like 10,000 years are now easily acceptable by the masses. Where is Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, etc. Where are the good guys?


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  • jackassrig

    The time to solve this problem by finesse and technology is over. It's time brute force.


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  • Sol Man

    Psychopaths + death wish = no winners.
    Can our planet, and we upon it, overcome the thousands of #'s of aerosolized MOX?


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    • soern

      yes, some of us at some rare locations.
      After a while survivors have to create a new but small
      civilisation – like stone ages or bit later as those will know
      some things.
      There will be be:
      No Currency
      No Government
      No Health Service
      No Roads and Cars
      Just Nature partially intact at rare locations.

      We, 7 Billions shure NOT!


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  • We have been discussing melted through containment cores here at ENEnews for over two years even when TepJapGov were bragging about "cold shutdown conditions" at Fukushima Dai-ichi. The lies have transformed from cold shut down to we don't know where the coriums are. Its all Lies.
    As we watch the Pacific get more and more radiated, world leaders ignore fukushima and the big nuclear news story comes out of Tehran.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-sanctions-could-be-eased-by-december-1.2438930

    Why?


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  • pattersonp

    Hopefully once it hits groundwater the fear-mongering-paranoia-hunters will go back to the rock they crept out from because the effects will be so minimal if this melt through theory is true. The melt through would have already happened year(s) ago and 95% of whatever fallout it was went into the air or the water and onto Japan's land. Even if it aerosol form its not like we have clean air anyways, so again cannot worry about that.

    The Pacific ocean can take it all day as hard as Fukushima can bring it, I really cannot worry about that what so ever. Anyone worrying about purifying the world's waters will be in for a surprise. This is humanity, welcome to our own nightmare.

    All you can do is dilute, and add chemicals. EVERY major water system in North America is this way… and if you live until 75 and not 83 because there's lead, heart medicine, chlorine, fluoride then so be it… Oh and our food has been contaminated for years, so that's already off the table.

    But I absolutely refuse to have shifty eyes on 24-7 because some plume of water. ITs survival of the fittest unfortunately as it has been for MUCH of the universe's history. Humanity needs bioaccumulation of this stuff in other creatures in order to survive. Do you want our species to survive or you want emotions about creatures you never knew about?


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  • Shaker1

    Oh, I love this one, and doesn't seem a translation problem:

    Kyodo, Nov. 20, 2013: The Nos. 5 and 6 reactors [...] will not actually be dismantled and instead will be used as a research facility to develop technologies for achieving the unprecedented task of removing melted fuel from the Nos. 1 to 3 crippled reactors [...]

    (With tongue in cheek) So they'll do us a favor and melt down 5 & 6 so they can research how to fix 1-3? They must feel awfully comfortable from where they publish. Maybe another earthquake is expected to do that for them so they don't have to spend any money and we're just being prepared for it.

    Actually, I believe I know what they're trying to say, and it might be appreciated (to the mind) that they might use a physical object rather in this day and age of computer simulations to train the homeless, the educationally, emotionally, and intellectually deficient, and the plain unlucky to do this job. There no real substitute for the real thing.

    Now I wonder, what's the plan for the energy to support an ice-wall, or was an ice-wall mere discussion with hope as its true purpose?

    Again, people should be crawling over that thing like ants. There is a harbor there that should be used for materials and personel. To me, even at this later stage, it's quite apparent this isn't a one-off situation in which one should be relaxed, and it just reinforces my idea that local introduction of materials to be spread earth-wide was the original plan.


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  • weeman

    Just to remind you it took the Russians three years to peer into reactor core and they discovered the vessel was empty, it took another two years to find corium and map. So the time frame is to be expected.


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  • Nick

    Remember several years back when some poor unsuspecting folks scrapped a cesium laden medical device? Lethal mistake.

    Fast forward to Japan.

    Massive, I mean astronomical, amounts of cesium-137 released on an ongoing basis, and not exactly
    rigorous news coverage about said disaster.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again…..make your own conclusions about Fukushima's legacy, don't let others (on either side of the fence) tell you otherwise.

    The fact that one nuclear fission pile has flown (#3) the coop is enough for the world to cringe. To think that there are missing coriums (#2 and #1)should send the hairs on the back of your neck to initiate a spine-tingling, brain-numbing reflex.

    Think back again to that cesium accident. (i haven't sought links yet…but my memory reminded me)


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    • nedlifromvermont

      I think that incident was the Cobalt-60 released from an unluckt find of some mishandled med-waste found in a Brasilian garbage dump … some poor kid retrieved it and they had to bury him and his mother 60 feet down and destroy the house … there was a story about that … mishandled medical waste … poor kid …


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  • Bowtieman Bowtieman

    This is off topic a bit.. Is there a link that explains the different particles being released and their damage to humans… Trying to learn enough to explain the danger to friends… Live in Virginia …I know their is not really a simple answer to such a complex problem…really interesting dialogue…. Priceless knowledge being shared…


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  • John Cook

    I know where the corium is!
    Simple, it on its way to China!

    But seriously, where could it be but straight DOWN.

    When i read this article I had to check the date, it's been clearly known for literally Years that the molten cores have escaped through the reactor floor. The rods all melt into mix with any steel or whatever around (it's called Corium), form a blob and just keep burning, hot enough to melt through practically anything. The only real question is how fast?
    There is no idea of a plan to contain the corium.
    There are fears that there might be steam explosions when it reaches the water table.


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