Senior Scientist: “Birds in such bad condition” off West Coast — Zero babies survive on islands, usually over 15,000 — “Extremely poor” breeding success… they didn’t even try — Before and after photos show beaches deserted (VIDEO)

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William J. Sydeman, Ph.D., President & Farallon Institute Senior Scientist, Pacific Anomalies Science and Technology Workshop, May 6, 2015 starting at 1:34:45 (emphasis added):

  • This [chart] shows the nesting success of the brown pelicans in the Gulf of California… 2010-13, of about 22,000 pairs that are nesting, an average production of about 1 young per pair. In 2014… The productivity was essentially zero. So there’s very low breeding propensity and very low productivity.
  • That’s what a typical colony looked like in Apr 2006… the same image in 2014 — so nobody was home.
  • And then another place… Hermann’s Gulls its another species, this is what the colony looked like in May of 2004. And 2014, again nobody was home, no efforts [see photo on right].
  • In the Channel Islands there was extremely poor seabird breeding success [according to] studies of pelicans and murrelets.
  • [SE Alaska] had very poor productivity.
  • In Baja [CA] we had severe food shortage…  breeding propensity was zero… the birds were in such bad condition that they didn’t even try.
  • The unprecedented mass mortality of auklets estimates, we haven’t finished this, but probably about 100,000 birds in the N. California Current system. Upwelling appeared to be more or less normal.

Many reports have connected the die-off to weak upwelling, for example, “NOAA… states that, in addition to higher sea-surface temperatures, there have also been weaker upwellings of cold currents. Those upwellings bring nutrients up… Cassin’s auklets, especially juveniles, have been dying in large numbers… David Bradley, BC program manager of Bird Studies Canada, said Wednesday there is “definitely a spike” [but] “it’s a big mystery” as to why the birds have been dying and he is waiting to see whether US researchers can confirm a correlation.”

Sydeman et al. (pdf), May 2015: … near-zero reproductive effort and breeding success was observed for seabirds in the Gulf of California and southern California Current, and poor to average breeding success was observed for most species in the northern California Current, Gulf of Alaska, and in the western Aleutian Islands… a mass-mortality event of Cassin’s auklet… perhaps 100,000 individual birds [was] concentrated off Oregon and Washington… mechanisms [other than ocean warming] probably affected breeding… and mortality.

US Fish & Wildlife (pdf), May 14, 2015: The purpose of this letter is to share information regarding recent California brown pelican mortality events… Nearly complete colony failure occurred in 2012 [at Anacapa Island], when only five chicks are known to have fledged… No brown pelican data were collected on Anacapa Island in 2013. In 2014, very low reproductive success was observed throughout much of the California brown pelican’s breeding range… At Anacapa Island, early-season nest abandonment was very high in 2014.

Watch Sydeman’s presentation here

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  4. SF Chronicle: “Unbelievable hordes” of fish near California coast; Most birds, sea lions, dolphins, whales anywhere — Expert: ‘Off the charts’ pelican population “highly unusual… could reflect breeding failures elsewhere”; “Abnormal ocean conditions” to blame? May 1, 2014
  5. ABC: ‘Mysterious surge’ in sick marine mammals all along California coast — Infested with parasites, extremely emaciated; “Very seriously ill… in very bad shape” — Experts: “We’re extremely concerned right now” — Deaths up 1,500% at rescue facility — ‘Number mystifies officials’ (VIDEOS) January 13, 2015

203 comments to Senior Scientist: “Birds in such bad condition” off West Coast — Zero babies survive on islands, usually over 15,000 — “Extremely poor” breeding success… they didn’t even try — Before and after photos show beaches deserted (VIDEO)

    • or-well

      For those who want to see individual presentations at the Pacific Anomalies Conference –

      http://sccoos.org/projects/anomalies_workshop/

      scroll down a little and there's a PDF of each attendees presentation. Or, you could watch over 6 hours of video and get it all.

    • bob smith

      Meanwhile, as the melted out/blown up/burned up Fukushima China-syndrome complex continues to steam, leach, and spew, and the Pacific Ocean is dead or dying, the OBAMA administration is preparing to put the "Sage Grouse" on the endangered/threatened list. What does anyone want to bet, that this bird is lower in numbers because of weapons test and Chernobyl fallout? And now Fuku but we can't hear Obama talk about Fuku.

    • jo

      The Heerman's gulls beach looks like a Mars photo.

    • going to tweet (cecalli_helper) WS reply to query in a moment (15 June 4:36pm Uruguay time) – he's on the same path as IAEA and WHOI and all the other limp scientists.

  • CANT BREATHE CANT BREATHE

    the Birds
    Here in SoCal, this time of year used to bring BlueJays bickering, an occasional Cardinal,
    and Oh anyone remember the sound of woodpeckers tap tap tapping? Finches flitting everywhere.
    There are still hummingbirds, although they are more radiant than usual.
    Saw a mass stranding of over 200 crows in my cul du sac! Dazed and cawless in 2014.
    NUCLEAR~ playing Round Robin with our lives… Haven't seen a Robin in two years.
    Don't hear the owls at night. Their mating calls were otherworldly.
    And then there"s the Bees.
    My family of huge Black Bees, that have pollinated my yard for over 15 years, have vanished.
    No Birds No Bees No Seeds…Yours and Mine

  • Total mass die off of sea birds mentioned above, probably the same for sea gulls and every other kind of sea bird.

    And not ONE radiation test..

    ZERO, zero, zero… adds up to what?

    • CANT BREATHE CANT BREATHE

      NO BIRDS NO BEES NO SEEDS!!!!!!

    • Homolumina Homolumina

      … no data – no claim – the 'rulers' are preventing to loose control at all cost .

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        No, they don't want to lose control:

        'NWO Cabal Pursues Total Dominion Over The Earth’s Weather And Natural Resources'

        'New World Order: Where Geoengineering Via Chemtrails Meets The Global Carbon Control Matrix One World Government Initially Emerging As Global CO2 ‘Management’ Regime

        Ultimately, it’s all about exerting absolute power and control over every square inch of Planet Earth and its atmosphere.'

        "There is an ongoing, covert and meticulously planned plot afoot that is being implemented 24/7 worldwide. It goes way beyond Agenda 21 in scope, but uses that UN plan to accomplish its goals. This clandestine agenda is being executed in order to impose a new global CO2 ‘management’ regime. Doing so is the penultimate step in securing complete control over all of Earth’s natural resources and atmosphere."

        http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/06/nwo-cabal-pursues-total-dominion-over-the-earths-weather-and-natural-resources/

        There is a lot of food for thought here. And they mention the 'Report From Iron Mountain'. I suggest you read up on that, too.

    • nedlifromvermont

      per the good Doc "adds up to what?"

      "poor grazing conditions on their winter range" …

      … will be the stock response of lying psychopaths who fancy themselves "sigh-en-tists" or homicidal "bidness-men" …

      in fateful service of a false God: Uranium … before whom the whole world must bow down … and be decapitated …

      many innocent victims resulted from the proscriptions of Rome's newly minted emperors …

      Massacres accompanied the slightest whim of the imperial fancy …

      So it is with the uranium monsters of our failed polity …

      All must die who oppose the elevation of the uranium profits and prophets …

      Some things never change …

  • Man Made Radiation Destroys Bees Immune Systems And Navigation Ability; Many Areas Have Zero Bees Or Pollinators On Flowers
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/11/man-made-radiation-destroys-bees-immune.html

    • Gasser Gasser

      AMERICA
      "A Horse With No Name"

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5pEogdn45ic

      ^ Go here first for the gist ^

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      On the first part of the Diichi meltdown

      I was looking at the end of all life


      There'll be no more plants, birds, and Rock Bands with bling

      There be only sandy hills and no Bee's to sting

      
The first thing I met was a fly without a buzz
      
And the sky with Isotope chemtrail clouds


      The heat was radioactive hot and the ground was fried

      And the air was full of SWAT black helicopter sound

      I'm out in the desert on a horse that went lame

      I was trying to be out of the Actinide rain


      In the desert Fed's can't remember your name

      'Cause there ain't no authority for to give you no pain

      
La, la …

      Though after two days in the desert sun

      My skin began turning radiation exposure red


      After three days in the desert it was no fun

      I was looking at everything with dread

      [Con't]

      • Gasser Gasser

        [Con't]

        
And the story it told of life that once flowed
        
Made me sad to think it was dead

        You see I'm out in the desert on a horse who went lame

        It felt good to be out of the Cesium rain

        
In the desert the NSA can't record your name
        
'Cause there ain't no one to follow your brain

        
La, la …

        After nine days I let the lame horse limp free

        'Cause the desert turned dead like the Radioactive sea


        There were no plants and birds and rocks and things

        There was no Rock Bands or thrills or car$ with bling

        
The world is now a desert with no life on the ground

        And an imperfect man made God having no love


        Under the cities lies a heart made of ground

        And the none human NRC will give no love

        You see I'm out the desert on a horse that went lame

        Trying to get out of the Radioactive rain


        In this desert you no longer remember your name

        'Cause there's now Bucky ball's to shower you with pain

        
Lie, lie,…stupid Nuclear shit lie's….
        lie, lie….la, la….lie's

        Lie's…lie's…lie's.

        ~Gasser Classic~

        • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

          We did not make to the year 2525 because of governments lies: In the year 2121 is there anyone left alive?
          Peace

          • Gasser Gasser

            More like>

            Zager & Evens; In the Year 2525

            Before you read go here first for the gist of it.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=izQB2-Kmiic

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~

            In the year 2011

            
Man is still alive

            And woman has survived


            They may find

            In the year 2012


            NRC gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie

            Everything you think, do and say


            Is in the eavesdropping they took of you today

            In the year 2013


            You may lose your health, and start saying family good by's 

            You won't find an uncontaminated thing to chew


            Nobody's gonna look at you

            In the year 2014


            Your arms hangin' limp at your sides

            Your legs got nothin' to do


            Some electric wheelchair's doin' that for you

            In the year 2015


            You won't have a healthy husband, won't have a healthy wife

            You'll see your deformed son, and your daughter too


            From the side of a long glass decontamination tube

            [cont]

            • Gasser Gasser

              [cont]

              In the year 2016


              If God's a-coming, it will to radioactive to come here by then

              Maybe He'll look around Himself and say


              "Guess it's time for the judgement day"

              In the year 2017


              God is gonna shake His mighty head

              He'll say "I'm pissed where man has been"


              Shit! tear this waste down, and start again

              In the year 2018


              I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive

              He's taken everything this old earth can give


              And he ain't put back nothing

              Now it's been only 7 highly radioactive years
              
Man has spent Quad trillion'$

              And cried a billion tears


              For what?…..money, he always knew

              Now man's reign is through

              But through eternal night

              The twinkling of starlight


              So very far away
              He'll pollute it too someday

              In the year 2019

              If man is……s~t~i~l~l a~l~~i~~~v~~~~~e

              ~Gasser Classic~

    • jo

      This year nature schedules are confused. No doubt they will be next year and on. Spring 2015 was one whole month early in southwest Idaho. Last year it was on time. This year the bees visiting my poppies and native annuals for pollen were 1/3d in number compared to last year, when they were going at it like mad. Swallowtail butterflies were circling looking for flower food that wasn't there. Really sad and horrible. No doubt the bees have been hit by air-rad since Mar. 2011.

      • Sparky Sparky

        Hi Jo, thanks for your post. Very disturbing! Are you in Northern ID, Southeast, or…? Good for you and yours that you are attuned to the rad impacts in your area. Stay safe and healthy. All the best to you and yours.

  • What could be causing this level of devastation?

    Fukushima Peak Ocean Radiation Levels Compared To Chernobyl and 2,400 Open Air Nuclear Bomb Tests
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/05/fukushima-radiation-measured-in-pacific.html

    Hmmmmmmm?>

  • Aflockolypse now. Birds have been dropping out of the skies for over 3 years now. I see none on the beach cams of the world anymore. Any birds observed as of late are along hiking trails, or where people feed them here in S NV.

    2nd June 2015 – 57,000 birds to be killed due to new outbreak of avian flu in Iowa.

    2nd June 2015 – 88 sea birds and 52 dolphins and sea lions dead due to oil spill in California.

    3rd June 2015 – 415,000 chickens to be killed due to new outbreak of avian flu in Minnesota.

    4th June 2015 – 120,000 birds killed due to avian flu in Mudanya, Turkey.

    Be a wise idea to stop using eggs, they are going to be expensive soon, and are no doubt full of Strontium 90. Also would be a good idea to stop eating anything that bio accumulates…

    There is no faithfulness, no love, and no acknowledgment of Goodness in the land. There is only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed. Because of this the land dries up, and all who live in it waste away; the beasts of the field, the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea are swept away.

    So much for past Human co-operation, it would seem money now fuels a global madness that is inherently incurable.

    • As a kid, I never imagined that some day as an adult this reality could even exist. The shock and sadness is profound and unrelenting.

      I still have a ray of hope for pockets of land animals surviving and possibly repopulating and this year my yard isn't as completely silent. I've seen a few wasps, mosquitoes, a few birds, other insects. Not normal at all or as diverse, but it keeps me going.

      For the ocean I just can't see how… even if all the nuclear plants were shut down and the waste was somehow beginning to be contained, the ocean isn't divided into separated pockets. Radiation effects will touch every single sea dependent creature as time goes on and the imbalance is already looking like it's beyond our capability to fix.

      People read about the burning of the great libraries of Alexandria and can only imagine how much precious knowledge was lost. I keep thinking of this living library called earth. The thought of it becoming a voiceless cinder in a galaxy is overwhelming. They say the whales sing their history and experiences to each other. For over 65 millions of years they have kept their thread, their story going.

      What must their songs be saying now.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        What if this Star Trek movie was true, but we couldn't go back in time to get some whales?

        'Star Trek IV – The Voyage Home'

        http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_iv_the_voyage_home/

        (read the movie info)

        We don't know who we're pissing off by killing off all life on this planet. Well, besides us.

      • Thank you, LastChants Teri. I hit a low point last week and needed a jolt as to my higher purpose in this life.

        The burning of the libraries in Alexandria was one of the greatest crimes against humanity. It was the beginning of global cultural, political and economic servitude to the same lineage of masters of the matrix who burned the libraries. As a bookstore owner, nothing offends me more than a burned library (save for any copy of American Psycho, which should be burned and the printer's machines exorcised for ever printing that piece of trash, but I digress).

        It is imperative to save our history and that is what I am trying to do. It's been a long journey. I needed a reminder of why it is important to continue to develop my project. I still have a ray of hope. I read about the absence of birds and insects and while I have seen some decreases, it is nothing like what is happening in the US and Canada. I am more determined than ever that I need to do something to save a little bit of jungle. I have the opportunity to buy 1,000 acres with water. It's daunting to think about that much land…but what else are we going to do? How can I not act on this ray of hope and the need to preserve our history?

        Sorry for this semi-stream of consciousness rant. I just wanted to thank you for reigniting the flame of intention.

        • Sparky Sparky

          Kelly Anne, I know there are many factors to consider, but from an (Enenewser) outsider yet informed and alert perspective: Yes, Yes!! Buy the land and take good care to preserve and protect all the Earth and all of it's life forms. Thank you!!!

        • You're so welcome Kelly Anne. A book store owner! 🙂 I'll bet you remember an older sci-fi book called A gift Upon The Shore. It a quest to save and hide any remaining books in a devastated post nuclear/earthquake/tidal wave world and set in the Pacific NW where I've spent most of my life.

          I used to be such a book a night person…if they were good enough and short enough. Longer ones required some serious self discipline to switch attention to other tasks 🙂

          Anyway, I can't stand the thought of knowledge not being easily available or worst case scenario…disappearing. The spoon fed age has already taken away so much and people who learn and experience as many things as they can are path keepers. They hold a thread to wisdoms passed down from generation to generation.

          You will buy land somewhere, maybe not even the piece you're currently considering, and may it be your sacred ground as you learn it's secrets and blend with it's harmonic.

    • The loss of Alexandria was indeed a major blow to Human wisdom and knowledge; much agreed Teri. Now we face owning up to the extreme stupidity of todays sapient hominoid species.

      http://www.crystalinks.com/libraryofalexandria.html

      More really scary news for those on the West Coast, FUKU is not the only threat! What water was allowed for the farmers the FEDS just dried up in California. They were scanted bad enough already, now they get to watch all their hard work dry up and blow away. I do NOT recommend staying on the Mojave desert for too much longer…

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/california-announces-restrictions-on-water-use-by-farmers.html?_r=0

      http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_02.html

      http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/13783/20150330/drought-damage-will-cause-widespread-forest-death-by-2050.htm

      http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/13470/20150316/california-has-only-one-year-of-water-left-warns-nasa-scientist.htm

      Dust mixed with radiotoxic death is what those who live on the Mojave must endure breathing in this deadly mix during any outside activity whatsoever…

  • Uranium_Mountain Uranium_Mountain

    A year and a half ago, "mountains of fish" in Monterey Bay.
    http://enenews.com/cnn-the-pacific-has-seen-its-fair-share-of-weird-recently-bay-in-california-now-a-massive-soup-bowl-miles-of-anchovies-mountains-deep-its-like-none-ever-recorded-old-timers-hav

    Now nothing. All the fish fled and all the predators that could chase went after. The rest stuck around their usual hang outs and are now starving as the fish won't come back or have died themselves. I would like to see the rocks for myself. If I could, I would visit the Newport, Oregon lighthouse. There were thousands of birds nesting there. I wonder what it looks like today? I don't know Ocean Thermo dynamics but if the Pacific got a hot spot, wouldn't the Atlantic also get even hotter?

    Shouldn't we see the fisheries all closing down? The boats sitting at the docks with no room left for more? Mass layoffs of anyone in the fishing industry? Is this happening already?

    • lickerface lickerface

      Someone veey close to me works with the state in a job where fish are taken from the Gulf of Mexico for basic testing to document trends. He is in total disbelief of any catastrophic changes in the ocean as far as the work he does, because there are so many of the usual fish they look for (red snapper, purple tail, etc). In fact, he is stating that there are more fish in the Gulf than ever before. They are even finding manatees that are being tracked by Florida state dept workers, and they will show up when a manatee is beached in TX or Louisiana. Perhaps the Gulf is the last body of water near the Pacific that remains semi-unchanged for now, but there's no way I believe that the reports of perfect Gulf health are accurate. They are not studying all the species that you would expect. He still eats all the fish he catches in the Gulf, and I refuse to for valid reasons. Maybe one day soon he will see a trend that doesn't immediately be shrugged off as a result of over-fishing.

      I have heard of Pacific fisheries closing. In fact, the sardine fisheries were just last month shut down. Or 6 weeks ago? As in… unlawful to catch them or you get penalty by US Gov.

      • Kind of like the people on the Canada coast saying everything is fine there, nothing is dying and come on up and visit as a tourist… putting dana down and attacking him as a liar and psycho.

        Maybe there are local small areas or bays that are more normal than others, but Dana's evidence is extremely convincing.

        We need a Dana in the Gulf, taking videos before and after..

  • it feels like we've been on some horrid rollercoaster these past 4+ years, but we've just been clicking up up up the big hill, now we're almost at the top. pretty soon they'll start adding the word radiation to the articles, and that's when we'll start down. and all the ones who called us bat shit crazy conspiracy theorists and doom porners will start their stages of grief and then we'll be the insensitive pricks who are not trying to do something. if i had the means i would leave this place yesterday.

  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    There appears to be an upwelling of stupidity in the scientific community. …..

  • NoFixedID

    Honey, I fried the Pacific.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Black mold (cyanobacteria) once lived on the shower curtain. Now, it's in ocean fish.

    Next, they will tell us that red tide (algae) is now in the sky killing the birds.

    They will blame it on Al Queda before they test for radiation.

  • sparsons

    TAKE …DOWN … THE … PSYCHOPATHIC….ELITES …IMMEDIATELY !

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Under the reactor ruins of Fukushima,
    Steam away three rogue nuclear reactors.
    What did you think was going to happen?

    No containment, no control rods.
    No control room with human beings in white lab coats tending to gauges.
    What did you think was going to happen?

    Cooled by an underground river, flowing into the ocean.
    Ongoing criticalities proven by Iodine-131.
    What did you think was going to happen?

    Over 250 tonnes of nuclear fuel melted into corium.
    Where it is now, Japan has no clue.
    What did you think was going to happen?

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      This is a fine spot, on the ocean miles from the volcano.
      Over a fault, let's built 6 in a row!
      What did you think was going to happen?

      Underground river flows at 1,000 tonnes per day.
      Build them just at water level.
      What did you think was going to happen?

      Earthquake breaks open pipes and break seams.
      Tsunami sweeps away pumps, backup generator fuel tanks.
      What did you think was going to happen?

      Highline towers come crashing down.
      Emergency cooling systems need power to work.
      What did you think was going to happen?

      Guages won't operate with auto battery power.
      Portable generators arrive with wrong switch gear.
      What did you think was going to happen?

      Four reactors blow up.
      Sounds come from underground corium.
      What did you think was going to happen?

      The Pacific Ocean is dying.
      Foolish human race will die off too.
      What did you think was going to happen?

      • phillip, i think they thought they would be long gone and that their check for building would have long cleared before it would be any problem to them!

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        This is Bobby1's graph of the sea surface temperature anomally that suddenly appeared off Japan after 311.
        The very Pacific Ocean is being heated by 3 fissioning rogue nuclear reactors, cooled by an underground river that runs directly into the Pacific Ocean. Save this graph for future reference.

        http://optimalprediction.com/wp/fukushima-radioactive-contamination-is-rapidly-warming-north-pacific-seawater/

        Still believe in "cold shutdown"? 😉

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          You "scientists" just don't get it.
          There are 3 completely rogue nuclear reactors running full-tilt boogie in the ground under Fukushima.
          The presence of Iodine-131 is…

          PROOF OF ONGOING FISSION.

          http://optimalprediction.com/files/tokyo5-14-14.gif

          Your corium is being heated by fission, not cooling with decay heat alone.
          COLD SHUTDOWN IS A DAMN LIE.

          The physics of the nuclear power industry is just wrong.
          Let's have some real science for a change.
          Don't care only about the money, and your career.
          THE SCIENCE OF NUCLEAR POWER IS FLAT OUT WRONG!

        • Help me understand this.

          As nuclear reactors producing power, FD 1, 2, and 3 waste heat was dumped into the ocean, just like all other seaside nuclear reactors.

          Normally we don't hear of any significant ocean warming near these reactors.

          So how can the same nuclear fuel as was causing insignificant ocean heating before 2011, now be causing significant heating of arctic waters?

          Is it because the arctic upwelling is so finely balanced that the heat that is insignificant in Japanese waters becomes significant in the arctic?

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            It's all heat, one controlled, and one not controlled. We have seen many out of control in the past 70 years.. 🙁
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_meltdown
            http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/legacy/assets/documents/nuclear_power/20071204-ucs-brief-got-water.pdf

          • Jebus Jebus

            The unknown possibility…

            First, we hear of nuclear reactor sites overwarming the estuary or bay that they are located in all the time. They have limits, financial ones, on the max temperature. Also there are many times they are taken out of service because the intake temperature is too high for proper heat exchange, which makes them dump all their heat energy.

            Now, take a "properly functioning" reactor exchanging heat with a heat sink, which interfaces another heat sink, that is the cycled water from the cooling water source.

            Not all the potential heat is released, unless the reactor is scrammed. There are temperature high points and low points to stay within. One is not releasing ALL the heat energy from the reactor(s).

            Blow three running reactors up, let them melt down and out, now you have all the potential heat energy released into the environment in one giant pulse, from three nuclear reactors, into the ocean, ongoing…

        • NoFixedID

          If reactors 1-4 were going full tilt (in normal operation mode) and if all the heat produced were channelled directly into the ocean, it would heat approximately 80 cubic kilometres of water by 1 degree C per year (disregarding heat dissipation). The volume of the Pacific has been estimated at 714 million cubic kilometres, and the Kuroshio Current (for example) carries a volume of approximately 150,000 cubic kilometres per year. Based on these figures it seems unlikely that the Fukushima plant, even if fissioning full-tilt, could significantly affect ocean temperatures on the US Pacific coast.

          • But what about the location of this heat being dumped? Could the normal upwelling of less saline water, over the specific ocean floor terrain of the north pacific/arctic, be disrupted by this heat dump, stopping the normal upwelling of deep ocean nutrients, in turn breaking the food chain?

            From Wikipedia: "Upwelling is an oceanographic phenomenon that involves wind-driven motion of dense, cooler, and usually nutrient-rich water towards the ocean surface, replacing the warmer, usually nutrient-depleted surface water. The nutrient-rich upwelled water stimulates the growth and reproduction of primary producers such as phytoplankton…"

            • melting mermaid melting mermaid

              http://www.wired.com/2013/04/the-most-dangerous-manmade-lava-flow/
              What would happen if you plopped a couple ton corium into the Pacific?I don't know, but I'm afraid we're about to find out. I found this interesting thread trying to figure the volume of the core materials. 140,000kg just from unit one http://wwwsmirkingchimp.com/thread/greyraven/52493/fukushima-unit-1-whither-floweth-the-corium

              • There is a typo in 2nd link from Melting Mermaid. It's a good read. Here is the corrected URL:

                http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/greyraven/52493/fukushima-unit-1-whither-floweth-the-corium

                • or-well

                  This needs emphasis –
                  "Managing to create a "system" that utilizes thousands of components each having specific tolerances and parameters (which are "ranges" of performance) such that failures NEVER occur is not possible; there is absolutely no super-computer that can simulate all the possible permutations of interaction given individual component tolerance ranges and specifications.

                  The more high tech and complex the more failures due to unspecified parameter.

                  This is the world we live in. It is chalk full of unspecified parameters that will always eventually come together in just the right circumstances and create a failure.

                  It is unavoidable.

                  Nuclear power is not and never will be safe and the longer we undertake trying to make it so the cumulative failures and incidents will at some point lead to catastrophe.

                  It is unavoidable."

                  Add insane siting, cost-cutting, regulatory failure, hubris, incompetence and corruption.

                • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                  Thanks, postnuclear. If someone says a link doesn't work here, I always assume it's mine. Usually is.

            • NoFixedID

              Postnuclear – Yes, we can't rule out the possibility that heat from the coriums is getting concentrated in the ocean in some way, even on the far side of the Pacific. Warm water rises, so perhaps the warmed water is remaining in the upper 50m (say) and travelling in a fairly narrow current. However, if these appalling die-offs are indeed a result (at least partly) of Fukushima, it seems to me more likely that radiation rather than temperature is the culprit. Only extensive testing can decide the matter.

          • Jebus Jebus

            I want to add that these are not moderator rod controlled, organized configuration, nuclear reactor cores, anymore.

            These are also not interrupted fission, control rod scrammed, nuclear reactor cores, anymore.

            These are three multi ton's of unknown configuration, unknown mass, uncontrolled, fissioning blobs of enriched uranium, with a little extra MOX plutonium sprinkled in, corium blobs in unknown locations.

            How much maximum POTENTIAL heat energy, in BTU's, does three full+ nuclear reactors contain?

            The nuke industry says that a handfull of enriched uranium contains more energy than a few coal fired power plants.

            My tired brain see's that the energy potential is there, to dump enough BTU's into the Ocean, to at least disrupt convective currents, to some degree…

            Not to mention that very same heat dump into the Ocean, is laced with, the very same radionuclides and "products" that are, the potential heat energy source…

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              West Coast is being fried along with all the fish as these three Nuclear Core meltdowns negatively effected the weather by creating a false high pressure system that altered the Jet stream while damaging the Earth's Ozone Layer in/over the Pacific Ocean which simply made the problem worse.

              Less Ozone = more heat/drought potential! 🙁

              • Jebus Jebus

                Yep, the potential result is alarming.

                The applied authoratative solutions are alarming.

                The public ignorance and apathy is alarming.

                It's not rocket science, it's Fukushima…

                • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                  Yep, it's Fukued, that's for sure.

                • Jebus Jebus

                  To be fair, there was a fire burning up this planets resources at a very alarming and accellerating intensity, before Fukushima, just like there was before Chernobyl, et.al., but it seems like Fukushima is, like rocket fuel…

                • Time Is Short Time Is Short

                  There's also the massive amount of dead sealife sinking to the bottom of the ocean and decomposing. Decomposition creates heat, and if there's enough dead sealife down there, and more being added daily, it could conceivably create a thermal spot – or a 'warm blob'.

                  Heat from Fukushima reaching across the Pacific Ocean isn't an issue. It's the radiation killing everything it touches, for a billion years.

                  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                    Human hubris and stupidity from bellybutton worshipping is now fissioning..on many levels..

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I wouldn't say it's 'belly button worshipping'.. more like 'mental wanking'.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Hi Heart , i'm glad to see you post..i was afraid that BEEN GONE signature in one of your last post was hinting at yourself..

                      At this stage in the selfshaped evolution of our symbiose with the planet.. i guess every pejorative will do..

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I don't have much to say.

                      The Triumph of Occupy, and the Cost to the Occupiers.

                      June 15 2015

                      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/13/1392975/-The-Triumph-of-Occupy-and-the-Costs-to-the-Occupiers

                      People for Bernie Sanders

                      http://portside.org/2015-04-30/people-bernie-sanders

                      The consideration of Fukushima as a variable in all aspects, health and mortality of the people etc. ..is no where to be found.
                      I consider this the greatest variable.
                      No venue.

                      It doesn't win votes.
                      But it also doesn't offer a truly correct understanding.

                      Weird ..all that FBI talk.
                      Why bother with that ..for my bit of thought?

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      In bio-energetica and psychology it goes that for a human if a certain emotion or basic life energy is surpressed , automatically other emotions are surpressed too , wanted or not..iirc
                      The opposite is also true..
                      Set the flow of an emotion free and other's will also rise tru that de-blocked channel to the consciouss level..

                      I think Truth and Society follow the same rules but on a bigger scale..
                      Therefore it is important to choose those that allow the greatest amount of truth possible in the timeframe..

                      I don't know if it is of any help for your dissapointed mood though..since it is based on looking down on silly games with the understanding of the current surpressed reality 🙁

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      "current surpressed reality"

                      That's about it..
                      Look at our next headline.

                      CIA Agent: Gov’t covering up effects of radiation; I hope public becomes more aware of threat to their health — Study: Actual radiation risks are “orders of magnitude greater” than official estimates; “Completely changes the picture… a serious public health hazard” (VIDEO)

                      http://enenews.com/cia-agent-govt-covering-effects-radiation-hope-americans-become-aware-threat-public-health-study-actual-radiation-risks-orders-magnitude-greater-official-estimates-completely-picture-serious-public

                      It completely changes the picture.

                      It's not a matter of disappointed, I'm all about social reform, but it's like not even playing in the same ballpark.
                      And it's more than being against nuclear power …it's acknowledgement of current conditions.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      "I'm all about social reform, but it's like not even playing in the same ballpark."

                      I know Heart , i agree unfortunatly..but..those marching to support a certain candidate..can express what they think or know to be fact of nuclear..and with other's not or only pro..

                      Untill humanity is able to elect politicians not afraid or not to impotent to take on/go against coorporation's dark side..

                      Untill then it's up to sites like ENE to inform the public with drops on a hot stone, the other information will come from the increasing damage itself..and the psychopath's have already chosen to go down the latter route..they always try to put the suffering they caused 100% on other's to digest..

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    As long as the dynamic remains the same..
                    No venue..

                    Senators Markey, Boxer and Sanders Call for Increased Safety at Nuclear Plants
                    April 15 2015

                    http://www.markey.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senators-markey-boxer-and-sanders-call-for-increased-safety-at-nuclear-plants

                    There is no making these plants safer.

                    • PostNuclear PostNuclear

                      Even though, sadly, I agree, Heart, that there is no making these plants safe, it's slightly gratifying to know that there are still a few senators that are not beholden to the nuclear priesthood.

            • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

              "How much maximum POTENTIAL heat energy, in BTU's, does three full+ nuclear reactors contain?"
              Stock, or anyone: Do you have the answer to this important question?

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  We had a go at this question of heat contribution a few months ago. Unfortunately the details are lost in the river of time.

                  My take is that some indication can be derived from looking at heat generation of working reactors, decay heat from spent fuel and comparing to natural radiogenic heat. If I remember correctly, natural radiogenic heat will by far dominate the thermal picture with 0.5 mw/m3 coming from continental shelf sediment. Then there is the inefficiency of coal and oil burning power plants which is a greater contribution than nuclear. Then there is nuclear cooling of operational plants and finally you have decay heat which is small potatoes by comparison.

                  There is 50,000 times more radiogenic heat in the earths crust than all oil resources.

                  I attempted a calculation and realized the immense volume of the kuroshio current was a big factor. Seems like I remember coming up with around 1 degree increase over one year for some 500 mile volume -assuming no losses. ….but chances are high Im not remembering or calculating correctly.

                  The focus is perhaps interesting but the toxicology is far more important.

                  Nuclear Reactors have produced over 22 trillion Lethal Doses of Plutonium. Thus the earth was lost to a race of monkeys that in the absence of writing could not be expected to even invent the wheel, yet because of an educational system developed extraordinary engineering powers and corresponding hubris. Humans are not so great

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    To clarify the above post;

                    Its not the total energy contribution but the power factor which will determine effects on life and currents. This is a question of heat transfer from the corium and the ocean mixing.

                    So I think I arbitrarily chose something like 500 miles long by 200 meters deep and a few miles wide, but the point is that total energy is not the relevant metric for ecosystem effects since earth temperature has an equilibrium function. Actual measurement of the kuroshio temperature is needed. Yet this is probably not the issue. The current is the birthplace of Pacific ocean life and its there that the high doses of deadly radiation are occuring

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Even with the Ocean dying, the US and Japan refuse to face reality.
    In 4 years, almost nothing has been done.
    They continue to let the worst case play out.
    No effort to divert underground water.
    No effort to find the melted cores.
    Plans to bring the Olympics to Tokyo.
    Plans to restart idled nuclear reactors.
    Scientists have no clue why Pacific Ocean is suddenly dying.

    madness 😉

  • Nick

    I spotted this the other day:

    http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/news/local/2015/06/08/brown-pelican-sighting/28695189/

    Sure hope it isn't related to the environmental stresses out West.

    …….

    If y'all would just drink the Climate Change/oceans warming koolaid, walk more and buy carbon credits the birds will rebound.

    WE can halt Climate Change in it's (fast) tracks and ride off into a pink sunset!

    Radiation? No way is that the problem, the Pacific is too big and we humans couldn't have released
    THAT much radiation. Could we have?

    If you are on the West Coast, it is time for more of you to have your OSM.

    • It is strange to see a pelican in NY, particularly as far up-state as Ithica. But, this was not a California Brown Pelican (which would be really weird!)
      I do think it has everything to do with what's killing our oceans, and I do think this is radiation, from Fukushima, and from all of the filthy nuclear reactors along the Atlantiic, Pacific, Gulf, and Great Lakes (as well as other rivers, etc.., throughout the USA and Canada.) We were very stupid to allow any of these places built. What upsets me, the most, is that it is our children who'll really pay for our folly. And, I know; many of us were never exactly pro-nuke(s). But, I wonder; did we work hard enough against this horror?
      Sad to say, but I think the answer is a resounding, no (if we are honest.)

    • Oh, btw; I completely agree with you on the rest of your comment (not that i disagreed with the other part.)
      I gave away my car, last Summer. I moved to an easier place for getting around. U also downsized by about 66-percent (space-wise) and donated TONS of stuff. Generally, I try to go to places within walking distance, which is further away each week = and that's been great for me, too! Thankfully, I am very close to the best organic grocer in town and I walk up there a few times a week. When I buy new things, I try and make it a local purchase, and that's a hard thing to do, especially in regard to electronice, as the Japanese and (now) Chinese have that market cornered. So I buy used, whenever possible. The only thing I don't buy, used, is food!

      Funny, back in 1998, I posted on my one (free) site that outsourcing would destroy our economy. It took about a dozen years for others to catch on. Walmart is terrible and should be boycotted, entirely. (As I write this, I keep seeing flashing ads out of the corner of my eye, for crap I don't need.)

  • I think, "Science", belives that using big, sciencey, words and presenting their mined data in terms (they think) only other scientists would comprehend keeps us from knowing the truth. The presentation by, "Science", was very dry, but, if one listens to the end of each presenter's message (and views their slides, especially), there is a good amount of information to glean from the most boring three or four hours I've sat through (link above) in my life!
    I am not sure if the problem is in how these scientists think, and it could be this. They seem to be more into, "data mining",and less willing to pose questions or develop theories. To put it plainly, they don't seem to be able to put two + two together to form four. This is a big problem in this particular, "group of experts". I used to believe they just don't get together to share info useful for all of science and all of humanity. I see , now, they do get together. They attend these symposiums. The problem could be that they do not speak to one another.
    It appears they only know what they know and they don't know and don't want to know what so-called scientists in other areas do know.
    One would think, as they get together in a room and present all sorts of evidence, like all of this good data collected on different species on and in the Pacific, they would SEE there is a major problem that's affecting all Pacific life. Due to their interest in ONLY their own work, they are ALL neglecting to see…

  • demise demise

    The bees litter the ground after the last rain in Southern CA. It was very little rain, but apparently highly toxic. It killed all the bees. They are all lying dead all over the ground. The radiation in odorless and invisible so it is hard to comprehend, but the evidence is apparent. No insects anywhere. In the last month I have seen only one roach and one grasshopper and it's spring! Only the hardiest has survived this long. The mass extinction events have spread onto land. We are next.

    • have you noticed that all the lizards are black now. they used to be green.

      • Good observation SK. The other day I was adding water to my yard pond and frightened a toad that is here every year and as it jumped from a rock area into the water I thought I glimpsed black or very dark. It hides most of the time and I've seen it go shades of mottled grey and green before but never black, so now I'm wondering.

      • demise demise

        Hi SK. I've been catching all types of reptiles and amphibians since I was a kid and read everything I could find on the subject, so I am very familiar with all aspects of this. If a lizard is very dark or black, this means it's cold. The darker colors absorb more sun heat.
        All amphibians absorb moisture in contact with the skin, so they are very susceptible to chemicals and poisoned environments. Hundreds of frog species have gone extinction over the last 20 years due to encroachment and environment degradation(acid rain) in the Amazon region.
        Same will happen here (is happening) with radiation rain. Insects go first, just like krill in the ocean and everything else in the food chain collapses.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Off Topic:
    "Representatives on Friday voted down a measure creating an assistance program for workers displaced by free trade agreements.". CNN Breaking News

    Let me get this straight:
    The Government is promising to retrain the thousands of workers who would lose their jobs if the Pacific Trade Agreement is signed.
    Fuck all 'yall, traitorous Democrats and Republicans working for the international corporate oligarchy.
    Stuff your, so called, "free trade agreements".
    Give us back the jobs you've already stolen from us. NAFTA. GATT.
    Shame on you, President Obama!
    Pigs!

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      TPA is so toxic to American workers that the Obama Administration won't even let the people read it.
      Here is the CNN link for the above rant:
      http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/politics/white-house-tpp-trade-deal-congress/index.html

      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        I need to rant please forgive me… this is directed at our elected.

        Who the hell do you think you are? You are not our God, you are not our rulers! What you are is our elected servants, and you all need to start acting like you understand this.

        What right do you think you have to make secret agreements on behalf of your bosses the tax payers of this country??? You have no right! You should be jailed for even considering it.

        You and your entitled way of behaving make me sick, both literally and figuratively. Your decisions to provide for your corporate stooges has polluted our biosphere to a point it is barely supporting any life, and destroyed our good name and reputation.

        You have shunned your responsibilities to those that pay your wages,your health care, your pensions.

        Truly, this nation is broken, our systems are systemically sick.

        Close our borders, forget about foreign anything until this nation is taken care of!!! The reason we are in failure is our energy policy, and allowing old outdated families to continue to rule our nation's direction based on their pocketbooks and not based on what is good for the people of this nation.

        I am sick of 99% of you.

        Go Bernie! You have my respect and my vote~!

        • demise demise

          Here, Here. My thoughts as well. A revolution is brewing if you ask me.

        • curly

          this gov wasn't set up to bring you justice, it was to give certain people total liberty to do whatever. Bernie sanders, if he ever could do anything they would kill him. obama looked to be a savior in 2008 but he fell right into step with all the others.

          • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

            I do see your point curly, however, I never believed Obama would be a Savior, as a matter of fact, I was very concerned that him being from the Chicago area meant he was a friend(plant) of the nuclear cartel. Although, as the lesser of two evils, I voted for him…sadly.

            Pretty tired of voting against someone instead of for someone.

            I will vote for Bernie, he is no fool and I suspect he knows exactly what he is exposing himself to, and still he is doing it. My hope is that the Kochrporatists will believe he has no chance because of the trillions they are throwing at their candidates(pawns).

            Perhaps the money fools will get a big surprise? 🙂 Hope is so fleeting these days, but I just have to.

    • CANT BREATHE CANT BREATHE

      We should demand that all our Congressmen and women
      wear uniforms.
      You know like NASCAR drivers.
      That way we would know, who are THEIR…

      Corporate Sponsors

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    This hacking thing has gotten way out of control.
    My personal info has been hacked so many times, that I've just about decided to cash out my accounts and pay for everything with cash.
    Now I have a stack of mailings from insurance companies, medical corporations, and credit cards that I have to go through in order to sign up for their free (and useless) identity protection offers.
    Come on, US Government. Step in here, and protect our data.

  • demise demise

    I am anti-nuke, but we have to consider. Without nuke weapons we would have had WWW3 three times by now.

    Also, if we said "All nuke plants power down in 90 days for decommissioning"

    – Where would our replacement power come from?
    – What about the thousands of newly unemployed workers?
    – Where do we put the spent and new rod for long term?
    – All the uranium mines and support companies would close with more displaced workers and broken town economies?

    Hard questions, with unrealistic answers.

  • Bay Area Guy 2

    the basic issue we have is that the powers that be have decided that they either don't care what's happening at Fuku, or they've concluded that there is nothing that can be done about it. As a result, they either do not collect data or they don't allow the data they do have to be distributed. Without data, we're left with the kinds of stories we're seeing more often…..massive die-offs of sea life and bird life. But there's no hard evidence that it's Fuku radiation that's causing it. There's certainly correlation, as these die-offs have coincided with the Fuku disaster. But, in the absence of hard data, correlation is not causality. I have no doubt that the die-offs are, in large part, directly the result of Fuku. I say in large part because I also believe that a portion is due to the crap that we, as a race, pump into the air and water each day. But the majority? Yeah, it's Fuku.

    The only thing I think that we can do, and it's what I do, is try to warn as many people as possible about what's going on. Most of them take my words with a grain of plutonium, but some have listened. That keeps me going. I've stopped being angry with the powers that be. They're not going to change and, frankly, my head is flat enough from banging it against the wall. Whether it's the economy, the environment or the world's political situation, we're screwed. We just have to focus on helping the people we care about survive.

  • nirakenna

    If we developed an effort similar to what we did in the Manhattan Project, except to place the focus on developing renewables instead of nuclear bombs, we might be getting somewhere. In the wake of Fukushima, and the potential ongoing and future “mishaps” and disasters from all nuke plants, it is important to know how to protect yourself and your family. Radiation Protective Foods: How To Shield Yourself From Low-Level Radiation by Sara Shannon is the only book I have found on this topic with definitive information on foods and supplements. I found a link on nuclearreader.info or you can google it, but make sure to get the 2014 edition.

    • "If we developed an effort similar to what we did in the Manhattan Project, except to place the focus on developing renewables instead of nuclear bombs, we might be getting somewhere"

      That's a nice thought, nirakenna. Problem is, there's no money in renewables when compared to fossile fuels or nuclear, and it's all about making money.

      The technology for renewables is now at the point where we could quite easily get most of the world's energy from it.

      Instead, because of human greed and stupidity, we will leave whatever ancestors we have with millions of tons of spent nuclear fuel to deal with.

      Can anyone look their children in the eye?

  • Daisy207

    And California is going to put in de-salininzation plants to provide water to its residents. But they are not going to remove ionizing radiation sources – or for that matter even test for them. Don't they understand the sea life is dying because of the water – but they are going to remove just the salt and tell everyone to drink it and bath in it, mix baby formula with it, cook baby food with it, etc. How about testing for radiation first – at least look for tritium (which they can't remove) and cesium. Are they all nuts?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure the entire world has been nuts for the past 70 years while bathing, drinking and eating these Nuclear poisons like candy and then later on to the hospice centers they go.

    Water is water and they will do the best they can removing what they can.

    But without water..there is/will be no California.

  • How could these things be happening? What's next?

    Eze 14:13 Son of man, when a land sins against Me by persistent unfaithfulness, I will stretch out my hand against it; I will cut off its supply of bread, send famine on it, and cut off man and beast from it.

    http://illbehonest.com/the-gospel-paul-washer

  • Jebus Jebus

    Marine toxin closes crab season

    PACIFIC OCEAN — Washington fishery managers say they are in “uncharted territory” following the closure of a major ocean fishery off the state’s southern coast June 5.

    The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife announced it was closing the recreational and commercial Dungeness crab fisheries after samples of crab revealed unsafe levels of a harmful, naturally occurring marine toxin called domoic acid that has already shut down razor clam fisheries in both Oregon and Washington.

    “We’ve never had a major ocean closure like this before,” said Dan Ayres, coastal shellfish manager for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

    http://www.chinookobserver.com/co/fishing-aquaculture/20150609/marine-toxin-closes-crab-season

  • Silverlok Silverlok

    let's say, (cough) hypothetically, certain 'corporate' (randcough ,cough rand ) interest futures "deduced" the only way to gain more (absolute , concrete) control was/is to reduce all resource vectors to TOTALLY MANAGEABLE ONES BY reduction and sequestration(of ALL RESOURCES).

    Such a direction cannot be obtained by open information , scientific inquiry, political and social cohesion, or …most importanty honesty.

    so ..in a very real life way, certain parties appear to be trying to( and to their credit gaining ground at )cheating at reality by simply lying about it in situations where 99.9999% percent of people inquire.

    A while back I remember an online game where after struggling momentously the opposition had us pushed, by using modified code (cheating)to our last defense, most of us "knew" the next ten minutes would be useless after that was reveled.

    before people stared dropping off the server, one guy posted , on the open line ( heard by both armies )something like this: " they may be cheating , and we may very well lose this day and die, but if this is your death die with your boots on, fight until the end, make this last defense so epic even cheaters will fear attempting this again , fight and make them pay for every inch they take in blood until the grass runs red with it and history whispers forever in the ear of people that would cheat you of life to remember these few moments and how they cost."
    A certain determination not to quit does fit…

    • Silverlok Silverlok

      Just so you know the aftermath was epic. It became a study in what happens when a man ( whom has nothing to lose and path is as trackless as the wind ) , puts aside fear and operates at a different level .

      we won ..against insane odds with cheaters whom were nearly invincible, after coming out of that weird co-op fugue no one could believe what happened…

      but that was the internet where cheaters are nearly invincible .. IRL they have to hide because they are nothing like invincible (you know at least the james bond villians had the balls to be flamboyant ).
      just a thought to consider in relation to this mess

  • breaking, er heart breaking news, this just washed in on san diego beaches…
    http://www.10news.com/news/countless-tuna-crabs-found-on-local-beaches-061115
    (but don't tell the tourists!)

  • melting mermaid melting mermaid

    Today it rained and it looked like there was soap in it. Now my sinuses burn. My family down south just told me they're having eye irritation, like their tears burn. Scary times. My daughter told me she likes to play in the rain and it just makes me… I don't know, are there even words to describe it? Sad/mad desolation. What have they done?

  • Same soapy crap here in Calgary this morning.

  • Sparky Sparky

    US, West Coast report: My son and daughter-in-law went to Washington State Olympia National Forest hiking and camping post his UCSF graduation. In the past, they've also gone hiking and camping in Yosemite National Park, where there was an abundance of wildlife. In WA, they remarked about the lack of wildlife they encountered: in total, 1 (count 'em)1 bird on Third Beach (http://www.wta.org/go-hiking/hikes/third-beach). That was all they saw during their entire week's stay.

    Two weeks ago, I sat in the ATT Park/Stadium for his graduation, watched the many seagulls fly over the bay dotted with yachts and tugboats gathered for the music and fireworks during and after the graduation ceremony. I wondered: what does the future hold for my son and his young wife, and their unborn children??? My grad gift–a water filter (removes cesium, etc.) and cash, fell a little flat. :-/

  • Sparky Sparky

    I'm working on the exit plan, quietly paving the way for alternative (rescue) living arrangements for my adult children when things get really bad on the West Coast. (Oh wait, that time is…now??? yesterday??? 3/11???) There are more houses for sale in the neighborhood. My son is upset that I may be relocating. He lives in the SF area and has signed up for another 2-yr. stint for his master's program. They plan to start a family in a couple of years. My other young adult children plan to stay on the West Coast.

    The West Coast is crashing. The Central Valley is crashing, Even still, my little plot (.13 acres) of permaculture paradise is thriving. Birds, bees, butterflies, chickens, ducks, rabbits, organic produce, flowers, etc. are vibrant and healthy. Sanctuary! Yet, there are signs that the collapse is eminent.

    Nevertheless, people continue to shop, housing developments are still popping-up, new almond orchards are installed, slogans like "brown is the new green" are hip, and I am accused of bringing my personal "problems" to work regarding sustainability and “Fukushima” [radiation awareness] from comments I made two years ago (that were publically ridiculed by two senior managers–one a "scientist").

    I grieve for the poisoned, corrupt world we’ve left for my children and their offspring. The future is grim. The greatest punishment is to visit the sins of the elders upon the innocents.
    🙁

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyaDlIirJnw#t=13

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    oops.. Good Luck! "May" the Force always be with you!

  • GOM GOM

    "Ring O'Ring of Roses
    Pocket full of Posies
    Ashes, Ashes

    We all fall down"..

    Origin finders say the rhyme dates back to the Great Plague.
    A rosy rash was a symptom, posies of herbs were carried for protection and to ward off smell of disease. The rest is self explanatory.

    And now, our "plague" is invisible..

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    ..odorless and tasteless and unrelenting. 🙁

    The Earth is weeping!

  • RE: what's gone on in Dallas today, and operation Jade Helm (or whatever it's called). Is this a rehearsal for what's going to start happening on the west coast sometime soon, when large numbers start dying and lots of angry people will be out on the streets?

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      The sealife is dying on the North American West Coast, but the human mortality events will be from the Pacific Northwest along the Canadian border and down the East Coast.

      You may even see Indian Point have an 'accident' to explain the higher-than-normal mortality rates along the Eastern Seaboard.

      The sealife is at the mercy of the Kuroshio Current. Humans in North America are at the mercy of the Polar Jetstream.

      Simple as that.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    DIE-OFFS INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY SINCE 3/11 . .

    Seems we can't even get through a thread before another species shows up dead (crabs in California).

  • Sickputer

    Well, A little offtopic here, but late in thread so please forgive.

    I have been waiting for Chilean apples to show up in west Texas stores here as they usually have by May in previous years and sell for around $2.00 a pound on average.

    Big union port strike in Chile and the largest harvest of apples in history up in the north western states of American. Millions of pounds of USA apples on the shelves for months and I know they cold store unsold apples for years in warehouses. With the west coast potential for unknown radiation contaminants I pretty much limit my west coast apple intake to near zero.

    So today I finally see Chilean apples at the local Walmart. For $3.98 to $4.98 a pound. WTF!
    Pineapples from central America are $1.50 each.

    I am really annoyed. Bought one small apple for $2. I hope HEB will do better, but they have been out of Southern Hemisphere apples since last October.

    Looks like Texas and farther south cantaloupes are going to be my favorite fruit this summer.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    OT:
    Big low pressure in Gulf Of Mexico will become Tropical Storm Bill today, and Hurricane Bill tomorrow.
    Look out Texas, here he comes. Be there Thursday or Friday. Get ready. 🙂

  • jec jec

    Sharks seem to be hungry. Shark attacks in Hawaii, could they be missing a food a source..like birds or fish? Florida has reported attacks. AND now three shark attacks in just a few days at Oak Island, NC. Two teens have lost arms, one may also lose a leg. Day or so earlier, a boogie boarder got leg scratch and his boogie board munched up in same general area. Unusual level of activity for this. The oceans are connected….yes really connected.

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