Scientists tracking Fukushima release question why radiation spread so quickly to the Southern Hemisphere

Published: June 14th, 2011 at 7:42 am ET


Researchers call for nuclear data release,, June 13, 2011:

[…] At a meeting held in Vienna from 8-10 June, scientists working with the [Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization] CTBTO took a moment to reflect on the network’s performance. Detection stations tracked the radiation from the accident, and atmospheric models worked well; yet questions remained. Why did the radiation spread so quickly to the Southern Hemisphere? […]

Published: June 14th, 2011 at 7:42 am ET


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66 comments to Scientists tracking Fukushima release question why radiation spread so quickly to the Southern Hemisphere

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Electromagnetic Spectrum
    “We may think that radio waves are completely different physical objects or events than gamma-rays. They are produced in very different ways, and we detect them in different ways. But are they really different things? The answer is ‘no’. Radio waves, visible light, X-rays, and all the other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are fundamentally the same thing. They are all electromagnetic radiation.”

    • Steven Steven

      Wouldn’t they be referring to particulates? Which would be dependent on atmospherics and oceanic currents. Not sure what this means, it seems there are unknown factors involded here.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        I’m sorry. I was replying to something else ( supposed difference in health effects between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation) and couldn’t remember where the comment was.
        I think the massive use of HAARP by a number of different countries to move the jet stream and perform other functions and experiments is the most likely cause why radiation reached the Southern Hemisphere so quickly.
        Also with all the technology of the last century, the polar shift, weakening of the Van Allen belts, etc., the massive radiation dumped into the ocean, are also factors.
        I was originally replying to: Radiation ionizing
        This link was helpful to understand the that particles are alpha particles and beta particles, and rays are gamma rays in ionizing radiation.
        However, the article was incorrect in that non-ionizing radiation in the form of microwaves can cause the same damage and health problems as ionizing radiation.
        Comment on:
        Heart of the Rose
        June 13, 2011 at 11:35 pm • Reply Report comment
        Also reference to the Petkau effect:

        • radegan

          “I think the massive use of HAARP by a number of different countries…is the most likely cause why radiation reached the Southern Hemisphere so quickly.”

          I think you’re probably correct. Heating the atmosphere under a cloud of particulates could keep that mass aloft. Heating the air to one side of the mass might make it turn. Like any tool, it could be used as a weapon – steerable fallout, but also could be used to keep trackable radiation aloft – a sort of permanent juggling.

          • Rica E

            Lets not forget the huge release of crude and corexit that has changed the gulf ecosystem and weather to the point where some say the gulfstream does not exist anymore. Mixing then has become very different this year. Noticed the huge hurricane like spirals off the west coast that do not belong here!

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Maybe another reason has to do with all the copper particles they released into the ionosphere to “improve” communications. These copper particles are still there. All these experiments are irreversible and completely polluting and changing everything in the earth.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Van Allen belts:

          HAARP Used to Cause Holes in Van Allen Belts

          Maybe the massive deforestation of the Amazon is also a factor. I suspect that there are many factors involved, some more than others, probably also climate change or connected to climate change.
          One of the problems of specialization is that everyone wants to find the “one” cause, when there are many inter connected causes, which synergistically are greater than the whole.

        • Au Au

          How far south has it gone?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          With respect to disruption of the Van Allen belts by HAARP and the earthquake in Japan, see also:

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          For more information on the copper needle experiment and transformation of the Van Allen belts and military use of HAARP see the following article–I have quoted the section on the copper needle project:
          “Project Argus (1958)

          “Between August and September 1958, the US Navy exploded three
          fission type nuclear bombs 480 km above the South Atlantic Ocean, in
          the part of the lower Van Allen Belt closest to the earth’s surface.
          In addition, two hydrogen bombs were detonated 160 km over Johnston
          Island in the Pacific. The military called this “the biggest
          scientific experiment ever undertaken.” It was designed by the US
          Department of Defense and the US Atomic Energy Commission, under the
          code name Project Argus. The purpose appears to be to assess the
          impact of high altitude nuclear explosions on radio transmission and
          radar operations because of the electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and to
          increase understanding of the geomagnetic field and the behavior of
          the charged particles in it.

          “This gigantic experiment created new (inner) magnetic radiation belts
          encompassing almost the whole earth, and injected sufficient electrons
          and other energetic particles into the ionosphere to cause world wide
          effects. The electrons traveled back and forth along magnetic force
          lines, causing an artificial “aurora” when striking the atmosphere
          near the North Pole.

          “The US Military planned to create a “telecommunications shield” in
          the ionosphere, reported in 13-20 August 1961, Keesings Historisch
          Archief (K.H.A.). This shield would be created ‘in the ionosphere at
          3,000 km height, by bringing into orbit 350,000 million copper
          needles, each 2-4 cm long [total weight 16 kg], forming a belt 10
          km thick and 40 km wide, the needles spaced about 100 m apart.’ This
          was designed to replace the ionosphere ‘because telecommunications are
          impaired by magnetic storms and solar flares.”’
          “The US planned to add to the number of copper needles if the
          experiment proved to be successful. This plan was strongly opposed by
          the Intentional Union of Astronomers.”

    • lhammer610

      “But are they really different things? The answer is ‘no’. Radio waves, visible light, X-rays, and all the other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are fundamentally the same thing. They are all electromagnetic radiation.”
      Don’t forget that sunlight is also electromagnetic radiation.
      Just because they are all the electromagnetic radiation, does not mean they all have the same effect. UV burns our skin. Visible light does not, but helps us make vitamin D. IR feels warm. All have different effect on our body. We cannot make generalizations about electromagnetic radiation.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        There are different cancers, but when lethal brain cancer from microwaves from a cell phone, or melanoma from the sun’s rays, or lung cancer from breathing in a hot particle of plutonium are still lethal cancers.

        “Could visible light contribute to the development of leukaemia and other cancers in children?
        “In fact, data from Canada have suggested that when children with acute lymphoblastic leukaemia received maintenance chemotherapy, the disease-free survival was better for those on evening chemotherapy [35]. Follow-up studies have reported similar findings from Canada [36,37] and Scandinavia [38].”
        “[35] Rivard GE, Infante-Rivard C, Dresse MF, Leclerc JM, Champagne J. Circadian time-dependent response of childhood lymphoblastic leukemia to chemotherapy: a long-term follow-up study of survival. Chronobiol Int 1993;10:201–4.
        [36] Koren G, Langevin AM, Olivieri N, Giesbrecht E, Zipursky A, Greenberg M. Diurnal variation in the pharmacokinetics and myelotoxicity of mercaptopurine in children with acute
        lymphocytic leukemia. Am J Dis Child 1990;144(10): 1135–7.
        [37] Koren G, Ferrazzini G, Sohl H, Robieux I, Johnson D, Giesbrecht E. Chronopharmacology of methotrexate pharmacokinetics in childhood leukemia. Chronobiol Int 1992;9:434–8.
        [38] Schmiegelow K, Glomstein A, Kristinsson J, Salmi T, Schroder H, Bjork O. Impact of morning versus evening schedule for oral methotrexate and 6-mercaptopurine on relapse risk for children with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Nordic Society for Pediatric Hematology and Oncology (NOPHO). J Pediatr Hematol Oncol 1997;19:102–9.”

  • radegan

    “But we were planning on retiring to Argentina at our corporate retirement compound and now you tell me, we’ve irradiated our own safe house?”

  • arclight arclight

    nice qupte from this article (“There are things that are not understood fully, and [the data] should be made available to science,” Weiss told scientists during a 9 June panel.)

    men of science huh? would you trust these numbnuts with your children?

  • Atlantis

    well, as I remember my atmo chimie lessons, their current model in strato in that area could allow only diffusion induced transfer, cause of egal parralel wind above equator. in reality things aren’t perfect and i bet they face some boundary fluid behavior implying some turbulence and fast horizontal/vertical mixing in that area.
    Even at that time, we students didn’t think that this “non mixing of the two hemisphere atmospheres” was a solid hypothesis/observation. But u know, u dont have a word about it, just show them u did memorize it all to get a good mark …

  • Pallas89juno

    There is no such thing as HAARP. I have still not read anything to indicate it’s real. The U.S. military and other U.S. covert orgs, as with any fascist entities in all history, simply don’t leave a clean trail on anything their pinheads concoct to dominate the goddesses of the earth. If anyone has plausible primary source information proving the existence of HAARP, I would love to see it. For example, there’s plenty of evidence about the incompetency in origins-to present operations status quos around nuclear weapons and power. Likewise, there are plenty of primary sources accurately proving the existence of the ability of commercial planes (as in 911) to be remotely controlled by military/covert org technologies. There is evidence, such as PROMIS and econometrics data gathering software, to realize that there is no secret anything anymore when it comes to electronic communications. On the other hand, I’ve read and seen nothing that allows me to even begin to extrapolate the existence of HAARP. I’m open minded. If there are primary sources that aren’t found on a CIA distraction site, like Alex Jones, please let me know what they are. Thanks.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @xdrfox…who knows why we repost the same data…LOL

    • People have built in for-getters or didn’t see it coming no matter how many times they were told and some honestly just have been in the ozone with trying to make a living and raise children !

  • Nevadan

    Guys, the wording he/she used is very typical disinfo tactics, don’t worry about proving what this person already knows.

    • Rica E

      Alot of these people may work for the alphabet agency! Disrupting but also discerning how much we know!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    True..and why defend …what we saw as far as an explosion ..the night before last.
    Some of us are sure of what we saw.

  • bleep_hits_blades

    I am hoping someone here can help me find info on the spread of radiation into the So. Hemisphere. Imaging maps would be great of course, the kind that tptb have suppressed. But just any data visual or print or audio on the spread of the radiation. I know it is circling the No. Hemisphere for sure, and has gotten So. faster than expected, but I’d like more specifics.

    • Au Au

      It appears that no one knows. I asked the same question.

    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      They are now saying that it could have traveled there inside a whale, and been pooped out into the water.
      Remember too that the wind patterns have changed. Assume that ‘normal’ patterns do not apply.

    • @ bleep_hits_blades
      Best guess is that some of the particles are on the edge of the jet stream and get picked up by other winds and spill over into the Southern hemisphere where more winds pick them up and move them ! The earth heating and cooling each day and the areas they pass over contribute to making winds as well as the warmth of ocean currents !

  • mikael

    Lisen, I grew up not faar from this HAARP or whatever, its a leftover from the cold war era. Its just a early warning system, that probably dint work.
    Remember, its the Russians that Inventet the Stelthtec and the couting used, not the USA as many belive.

    To the fallout, either they have poor wind/wether systems and have difficoukd to backtrack the news, the wind truned 2 or 3 days after the firsth explosion and maybe the reactor 3 to.
    The second aspect is more stunning to read the statments made by the scientist involved. The wind is not a luse compound, like the oceans it to have curents that goes in different directions acordingly to densety and temp. Even if the wind blows at ground level(up to som tousand meters?) the next level can blow in a compltly different direction.
    They sould know that.

    Somehow and I do belive that they have to get a gripp into the reality, that this is a dangerous policy, to fool the people of Japan, to keep them in the dark on this grave situation.

  • glenn

    It seems to me to be unlikely that HAARP is a weather modification system. Earth’s weather is caused by energy from the Sun, and the quantity of solar energy is so vast that any additional human source of energy pales into insignificance. It seems much more likely that HAARP is a power transmission system, designed to recharge satellites from Earth ground stations. There are only two wavelengths of EMR that Earth’s atmosphere is not opaque to…that is light and radio waves. Of these, only radio waves can penetrate 24/7 under all conditions, (light can be blocked by clouds). So even though lasers would transmit power more efficiently into space, weather conditions make it an unreliable source. A large collection antennae placed in geosynchronous orbit above the HAARP facilities would collect and distribute the power to the satellites as needed. Since the satellite system is a military secret, the black-ops people don’t mind the public misinterpreting the function of HAARP. (In fact they quite like the idea of HAARP as a weather modifier because it indirectly supports one of their other dubious contentions…that human activity *can* actually modify the weather ie ‘greenhouse warming‘). The energy in a single large hurricane is more than has been generated by humans since the industrial era began, and can only come from the Sun.

  • BetaFlare

    HAARP – climate weapons system – EU records on 5 February 1998

    Europarliament archives —> Repost no 234.

    On 5 February 1998 Parliament’s Subcommittee on Security and Disarmament held a hearing the subject of which included HAARP. NATO and the US had been invited to send representatives, but chose not to do so. The Committee regrets the failure of the USA to send a representative to answer questions, or to use the opportunity to comment on the material submitted.(21)

    HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) is run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy, in conjunction with the Geophysical Institute of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. Similar experiments are also being conducted in Norway, probably in the Antarctic, as well as in the former Soviet Union.(22) HAARP is a research project using a ground based apparatus, an array of antennae each powered by its own transmitter, to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams.(23) The energy generated heats up parts of the ionosphere; this results in holes in the ionosphere and produces artificial ‘lenses’.

    HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. … etcetc

    more “news” for tinhat officers (repost 779)

  • glenn

    I can’t see the connection between ionospheric heating and weather, (or anything else) control. Solar activity is always doing wild things to the ionosphere, but the only consequence detectable on earth is a change in global radio reception and the occasional aurora. Weather activity is confined to the troposphere, which is the lower 10 miles of the atmosphere. The ionosphere is a layer 70 to 140 miles high where the atmospheric pressure is virtually zero. Certainly it effects long range radio communications by reflecting radio waves, but those effects are irrelevant to weather patterns.

  • swandivr

    I apologize for asking,as I am totally ignorant regarding these issues.But,where would you go if you could, to limit your exposure?

    I am currently in Oregon on vacation.We live in the Philippines,and were wondering if we should even return there considering the proximity to Japan.We are retired and could relocate somewhere a little safer,but wonder if there is such a thing as a safer place to live.I’d appreciate any advice,and again I apologize for the intrusion.

    • swandivr
      Good question many have been asking.
      Many say South America as far south as possible, Uruguay or the like.

      The southern hemisphere is going to get it also just a bit longer to get there, has been found in Vietnam so it is in the southern hemisphere.
      If this Japan crisis continues underground will be the only option but food and water will become a issue in the near future !

      Suggest you read over this whole site with all great inf. and links to all your questions I am sure.
      Good luck in what you do and sorry this has ruined your plans as well !
      Continue to post and ask questions !

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