More on “Second Fukushima” in progress for Japan and Pacific Northwest (AUDIO)

Published: September 6th, 2011 at 6:33 pm ET
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Arnold Gundersen with a Fukushima update, Helen Caldicott MD podcast, September 2, 2011:

At 25:40 in (Transcript Summary)

What I see now is a second Fukushima occurring from burning radioactive waste… Basically the radioactive gases that settled on the ground are going to be thrown into the air and waft into other places in Japan and across the Pacific to British Columbia, Oregon and Washington…

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Published: September 6th, 2011 at 6:33 pm ET
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12 comments to More on “Second Fukushima” in progress for Japan and Pacific Northwest (AUDIO)

  • ocifferdave

    I wish I didn’t live in WA then. :(


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      It doesn’t matter, ocifferdave. The wind currents will ensure that everyone gets to share. It really makes no difference where you are.


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      • milk and cheese milk and cheese

        In the past two weeks, I’ve received report of a cancer in a member of my extended family (in someone under age 30, a type of cancer that has never appeared in our family before); there was a stillborn baby born to an acquaintance in the same location (Middle West) and only today, I heard of a horrible cancer in a very young person right here in Canada. It was allegedly caught in time but this cancer ‘was not supposed’ to appear in someone that young. Things are moving fast.


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  • Tacomagroove
    http://www.ccnr.org/max_plute_aecb.html
    America wake up and smell the Plutonium…

    How much plutonium does it take
    to overdose a person?

    Foreword

    Plutonium is a highly toxic material. Attempts to deny or to obscure this fact are, we feel, irresponsible.

    Some spokespersons for AECL and for the Government of Canada have suggested that there is no danger involved in MOX transport worthy of anyone’s serious consideration.

    We feel compelled to point out that, although the probability of a severe accident that would release plutonium to the atmosphere is admittedly small, the potential health and environmental consequences of such an accident can be serious due to the extraordinary toxicity of plutonium when inhaled.

    It is for this reason alone that the United States of America has made it illegal to transport plutonium by air in US territory. Such a prohibition does not exist for any other radioactive material.

    Atomic Energy of Canada Limited has admitted, in documents submitted to Transport Canada, that in four out of eight categories of serious road transportation accidents, the MOX containers would be completely destroyed and a plume of plutonium dust would be spread downwind to a distance of about 80 kilometers.

    Transport Canada has stated — not once, but several times, in its response to public commentaries about AECL’s plans for MOX transport by road — that transporting MOX by air is much more dangerous than doing it by road because of the health dangers of inhaling plutonium dust following an accident.

    Industry and government spokespersons have insisted that120 grams of plutonium is too small an amount to raise legitimate health and environmental concerns. They have made the irrelevant observation that 120 grams of plutonium is about the size of two A-A batteries.

    Such remarks are manipulative in nature; they do not help people to weigh the risk. The important quantity is not the VOLUME or MASS of plutonium, but its TOXICITY. Based on data supplied by AECB (see letter above) we can address the toxicity question as follows:

    In principle, using AECB’s regulatory limits,
    how many ”civilians” can be overdosed
    by 100 grams of plutonium?

    0.1 micrograms can overdose One civilian
    0.1 grams can overdose One million civilians
    1 gram can overdose ten million civilians
    100 grams can overdose one billion civilians
    600 grams can overdose six billion civilians

    If there is a serious accident involving
    120 grams of plutonium (in the form of MOX),
    how many civilian overdoses could, in principle, result?

    if NONE of the plutonium is safely contained there is a potential for one billion two hundred million civilian overdoses.

    if 90 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    one hundred and twenty million civilian overdoses.

    if 99.9 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for one hundred and twenty thousand civilian overdoses.

    if 99.999 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    one thousand two hundred civilian overdoses.

    In principle, using AECB’s regulatory limits,
    how many ”atomic radiation workers” can be
    overdosed by 140 grams of plutonium?

    1.4 micrograms can overdose one atomic worker

    1.4 grams can overdose one million workers

    14 grams can overdose ten million workers

    140 grams can overdose one hundred million workers

    560 grams can overdose four hundred million workers

    If there is a serious accident involving
    600 grams of plutonium (in the form of MOX),
    how many worker overdoses could, in principle, result?

    if NONE of the plute is safely contained there is a potential for
    four hundred twenty-five million worker overdoses

    if 90 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    forty-two and a half million worker overdoses

    if 99.9 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    forty-two and a half thousand worker overdoses

    if 99.999 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    four hundred and twenty-five worker overdoses

    If there is a serious accident involving
    600 grams of plutonium (in the form of MOX),
    how many civilian overdoses could, in principle, result?

    if NONE of the plute is safely contained there is a potential for
    six billion civilian overdoses

    if 90 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    six hundred million civilian overdoses

    if 99.9 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    six hundred thousand civilian overdoses

    if 99.999 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for
    six thousand civilian overdoses

    Each fuel rod contains 20% plutonium. There are 360 fuel pellets per rod. Estimated weight of pellets are 5 grams.

    There are 264 fuel rods per assembly…

    So.

    264 x 360 =95,040 (total fuel pellets per fuel assembly)

    95,040 x 5 grams = 475,200 grams of nuclear fuel…

    Divide 475,000 By 20% to find the quantity of plutonium…

    475,000g x 0.20 (20%) = 95,040 grams of plutonium… (per fuel assembly)…

    http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2011/03/14/nuke-engineer-fuel-rod-fire-at-stricken-reactor-would-be-like-chernobyl-on-steroids/

    We’d be lucky if we only had to worry about the spent fuel rods from a single holding pool. We’re not that lucky. The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools for spent fuel rods. Six of these are (or were) located at the top of six reactor buildings. One “common pool” is at ground level in a separate building. Each “reactor top” pool holds 3450 fuel rod assemblies. The common pool holds 6291 fuel rod assemblies. [The common pool has windows on one wall which were almost certainly destroyed by the tsunami.] Each assembly holds two hundred sixty-three fuel rods. This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.

    So top fuel pool holds 3450 assemblies, common fuel pool holds 6291 assemblies…

    Total: 9741 assemblies x 95,040g plutonium =

    total =925,784,640g plutonium (in reactor 3 alone)…

    now it gets fun…

    925,784,640g plutonium / 10% = 92,578,464g plutonium

    1.0g plutonium is equal to ten million Overdose’s…

    92,578,464g plutonium x 10 million Overdoses =’s

    Now if only 10% of the fuel in reactor 3 escaped…

    927,584,640,000,000 Overdoses Globally

    Cheers,
    Emmy…


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    • p.s. 1% is simply taking off 1, zero off the end…

      So if only 1% of reactor 3 was released…
      92,758,464,000,000 overdoses

      0.1% of fuel released would be
      9,275,846,400,000 overdoses…


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      • So in that case if only 1 millionth of the fuel was release respectably, 9,275,846 would be potentially affected.

        Though the likely hood of this is a theoretical impossibility…

        Due to the amounts of radiation released to date, one can be and should be certain that at least 10 pounds of plutonium was released in March 2011…

        2800 grams per pound (roughly). – 10 million overdoses per gram…

        28,000,000,000 Overdoses.


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  • jwfuki

    All I can say is SWELL, JUST EFFING SWELL!!!!!


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  • Sickputer

    The Arnie interview by Caldicott was on August 24th, not September 2nd, so this information is outdated by nearly two weeks (his North Anna information was very preliminary data as it had just happened the day before this interview).

    Still interesting though. I am halfway through listening it…wondering if Arnie is going to talk about China Syndrome…

    Arnie just says he thinks the cleanup costs is $200 billion just for the plant complex. Mentioned one cattle farmer alone lost $5 billion.

    He and Helen make fun of the Japanese planting sunflowers to absorb radiation…I would have to argue with them…you need some kind of convenient vessel to soak up radiation in soil other than bulldozers scaping up millions of tons of soil.


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  • SteveMT

    FYI: Dutchsinse has started a new channel named “dutchsince.” Note the new spelling. He has a video regarding the shutdown and several new video’s he has made. He is starting over from scratch.

    Dutchsinse fans may be unhappy to hear about this.

    He was an everyday guy who started asking questions when the birds fell out of the sky on New Year’s Eve and there were earthquakes at the same time. We all asked questions and then forgot to get answers. He kept looking. We asked ourselves about radiation from Japan and he took a road trip measuring radiation levels across the nation. He even predicted some of the severe weather that we have recently seen. Now he has been shut down.

    Those who believe in a free internet should take note.

    Last twitter update was 11 hours ago. He says his best friend was shot a few days ago and he has been receiving threats in these past few weeks.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/177451/dutchsinse-youtube-and-blog-shut-down


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yes Milk and Cheese,…it gets really weird when you start seeing and hearing these things in our extended family and friends! My roommates are teachers,…they keep saying how all of their kids are so ‘sickly’ this year–preschoolers. Also, one of their Mom’s, with a 4 year old they have, has a new 3 month old baby. They baby was just diagnosed with a tumor somewhere inside his stomach. They are starting all the torture, (testings) on the baby now.

    Another poster just talked about Sebastapol, Ca. and the new yellow (pollen)-NOT. It’s all over my car,…the outdoor water has that yellow oil slick thingy going on,…my eyes are weepy and itching, nose drips like a facet. In September???? Since when? Oh yeah, since 3/11! :-(


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    If Chernobyl was fix and cleaned I would say Japan “might” have a chance, but it’s not fix or cleaned.

    Great job there energy corporations, and those who are/were bought by them. You did a service in keeping the earth uncontaminated for all of us. (Sarc)

    We are all in the same boat as Japan, jet steam is/has been blowing.

    Yes when it travels it dissipates, meaning it spreads out farther, it does not mean it gets weaker to the point of no damage.

    Radiation is radiation, and this stuff that is spewing is Not good for you or the environment that we all live in.

    Do not expect official warnings, which would only cause chaos and the economy to sink farther, than it already has.

    They still want to build Nuclear Plants and make as much as they can.

    They don’t care a flip for the people or the environment.

    If they cared, they would be building underground places for people to go, and they would first learn how to protect the environment if/when something happens.

    Protection for the public and environment has not happened.
    They can go any where they want to be safe, a limo will pick them up.

    I would like to see a safe and non polluting energy sources, what is their agenda?


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  • Nukeholio

    I could only listen to it until I heard the words GLOBAL WARMING. Visit ICEAGENOW.INFO to find out that we are in a global cooling period.


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