Senior Scientist on HBO: I’d worry about swimming in Hawaii’s ocean starting in 2015 due to Fukushima plume (VIDEO)

Published: September 17th, 2013 at 4:06 pm ET


Title: Real Time with Bill Maher: Ep 293
Source: HBO
Date: Sept. 13, 2013

At 5:25 in

Location of simulated plume in April 2014: “Waters with Cs-137 concentrations above 10 Bq/m3 are projected to reach… the Hawaiian archipelago by early 2014.” — Hawaii located inside black square (Rossi, et al, 2013)

Bill Maher: To catch us up on the ongoing radioactive dangers in Japan that will be coming to a beach near you, he’s the coauthor of the upcoming book ‘Fukushima: The Story of a Nuclear Disaster‘ and a senior scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists’ Global Security Program, Dr. Edwin Lyman. […]Maher: I go to Hawaii every year for New Year’s Eve […] and I swim in the ocean […] People tell me I should not swim in the ocean in Hawaii.

Dr. Edwin Lyman, Senior scientist with The Union of Concerned Scientists, doctorate in physics from Cornell U. and postdoctoral research associate at Princeton U.: […] Hawaii’s not even on a direct path. So this year’s ok, in 2015 I’d be worried about it.

Maher: I don’t know if you’re trying to be funny — I don’t think so, so you’re kind of scaring the s*** out of me.

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Published: September 17th, 2013 at 4:06 pm ET


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80 comments to Senior Scientist on HBO: I’d worry about swimming in Hawaii’s ocean starting in 2015 due to Fukushima plume (VIDEO)

  • bo bo

    Obama already didn't allow his family to swim last christmas, then released one photo of him swimming to make it look like he swam… but later turns out the photo was from the previous christmas.

    • Correct, they also bugged out early when rad levels skyrocketed a day before they were supposed to leave:

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        Thanks bo and eyechix, great link.

        I wondered if the girls even made it to Hawaii. The only picture of them I have seen is walking out of the plane which could have been taken anywhere/anytime. Wouldn't they want to get shaved ice?

        I've always said that those girls are the best geiger counters around, when they are in the Southern Hemisphere, you should be, too. I would feel better if there was some documentation that they actually were in Hawaii.

        • mairs mairs

          I've noticed people on this site have a very strong conspiracy theory anti-Obama thing going.

          He left Hawaii early to deal with the fiscal cliff, which was quite important. If he hadn't left early he would have been criticized for that too. Michelle and the girls stayed until Jan 6.

          Of course there is documentation. The Obamas were at Anderson Hall at the Marine Corps Base in Hawaii, visiting with members of the military and their families on Tuesday Dec 25th, 2012.

          I can't even believe I'm debating this this you. It's like the birther nonsense.

          • bo bo

            I knew about the fiscal cliff. I would be curious to see if anyone can find documentation of him swimming. Because I have searched, and only photo was the one that was from the previous christmas.

            And obviously a lot here on enenews are anti Obama.
            Has he done or even said anything about fukushima in the past 2.5 years other than to say it's all safe?

            • bo bo

              Of course, it's all just speculation. Radchick never says it's anything more than speculation either. The fact that a ten day vacation in hawaii would be spent in restaurants and not a single dip in the water was just interesting.

              • bo bo

                …and Clare Daly's amazing speech in the Irish parliament expresses very well how many in the world feels about Obama, it's not just those crazy nuts that each FOX news.

              • bo bo

                Anti Obama is not just conspiracy theorists and right wing nuts who watch FOX news. For a better perspective watch Clair Daly's amazing speech in the Irish parliament.

              • We Not They Finally

                bo, a little reality check: Radchick (Christina Consolo) seemed sure that a tear-choked father of one of the little girls who was killed in Connecticut at the elementary school mass shooting was either an actor or a CIA plant. That it was all one grand plot to take away people's assault weapons, which is apparently their God-given patriotic right. It's a libertarian mantra. But the poor man was really the girl's father and heartbroken.

                On the other hand, Radchick seems to be quite good with nuclear issues.

                With Obama, progressive Dems are heartsick at the betrayals, but also revolted by the birther nonsense. It's possible to feel all those different ways.

                What was telling is that when the plume first came in from Fukushima, Obama suddenly took his family to South America while he did not even warn Americans to stay in out of the rain. And Gina McCarthy, Office of Radiation Monitoring, got PROMOTED to head of EPA, when she was the one who had turned the warning monitors off!

                But "President Romney" might have done even worse, for all we know. Our problems now are so corporate and global, that the only ones we can seem to support are the activists. And just hope and pray that they are not also gun-happy freaks who think that the law of the jungle trumps any attempt at governing at all.

                REALLY rough times to be in America. Whoever has the answers, please tell us!

                • many moons

                  I was in Rio when President Obama announced his trip, it was not planned. Most international trips have a well planned agenda, this agenda was put together quickly and with a lot of changes. I might add that the number of SUVs that were part of his entourage was incredible.
                  They moved very quickly through the streets but even so you had to wait 15 minutes or more for all of the cars to pass. I don't know if that's usually the way he travels or he had taken a lot of folks with him.

                  • Sickputer

                    I read he had in his entourage 51 car-loads of American dignitaries who accompanied. Most of his Cabinet. Not sure how many brought their families.

                • mopar69 mopar69

                  "… gun-happy freaks who think that the law of the jungle trumps any attempt at governing at all." – Yeah terrible bunch they are, pesky 2nd amendment and all, causing riots in the streets, stealing kid's ice cream, tipping over trash cans…complete anarchists. What ever shall we do with them?

                • I take issue with the phrase " gun-happy freaks ".

                  It is a fact that Communist Russia and Cuba took the guns away from their people. Hitler disarmed the Jews before rounding them up to be gassed. Its a fact the forefathers of your country put in place the right to bear arms based on their experience with British tyranny which included disallowing peasants to own swords, the weapon of choice before modern firearms. The right to bear arms is part of the checks and balances put in place to preserve democracy. I read the above thread WNTF. The discussion revolved around Obama's dismal performance. WNTF decided to insert anti-gun propaganda. I will not tolerate this site being used to promote an off topic subject. Further, owning, collecting and firing a firearm is a legal pass time in Canada, Australia, the USA and others. I never bring up the hobby of firearms. However I have friends who own guns who are responsible people and I take offense that you would describe law abiding citizens as gun-happy freaks. As far as the shootings go US healthcare is poor and mental healthcare even poorer. More effort towards funding for mental health would go further then well meaning mis-guided efforts to take firearms from law abiding citizens.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    The rate of violent crime in Australia has risen dramatically since the citizens there lost their right to bear arms.

                    • Subsequently, a study by McPhedran and Baker compared the incidence of mass shootings in Australian and New Zealand. Data were standardised to a rate per 100,000 people, to control for differences in population size between the countries and mass shootings before and after 1996/1997 were compared between countries. That study found that in the period 1980–1996, both countries experienced mass shootings. The rate did not differ significantly between countries. Since 1996/1997, neither country has experienced a mass shooting event despite the continued availability of semi-automatic longarms in New Zealand. The authors conclude that "the hypothesis that Australia's prohibition of certain types of firearms explains the absence of mass shootings in that country since 1996 does not appear to be supported… if civilian access to certain types of firearms explained the occurrence of mass shootings in Australia (and conversely, if prohibiting such firearms explains the absence of mass shootings), then New Zealand (a country that still allows the ownership of such firearms) would have continued to experience mass shooting events."[42]


                    • Hitler (9 million genocidal deaths)
                      Stalin (51 million genocidal deaths)
                      Mao (22 million genocidal deaths)

                      That's just the starter list. Every one of them instituted gun bans, confiscations, etc. when they first began their regimes.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      .. -)

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      A true Jedi Knight is never seen without his Light Saber!

                    • Bingo never leaves home without his drumsticks. Chicks dig musicians.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Chicks love light sabers to's all about the imagination and something not unlike Bill's cigars..I suppose!

                • bo bo

                  Someone here on a different thread used CT for 'conspiracy theory'. I think it stands for 'critical thinking'.

                  As for Obama/Romney, I thought chomsky was too pessimistic when he said 'there's no difference – it's coke or pepsi' I myself started second term thinking 'at least he's not Romney'… but now I believe chomsky was right.

            • Anthony Anthony

              Most of us came here once he announced on TV the radiation would not effect our continent and that Libya was being invaded.

          • NoNukes NoNukes


            I was thinking more of video of them out in public than you typing some words, hopefully there is some video somewhere.

            For the record, I think all kids would be better off in the Southern Hemisphere, especially those in Japan, Canada and the United States. Pets, too, as well as animals in general. The snails, slugs and worms, etc., don't seem to be doing too well here, either. For longer than a vacation, hopefully while someone does something about all the aerosolized plutonium, uranium, etc. that is hitting all life downwind.

            • NoNukes NoNukes

              Wouldn't it be worse if Obama didn't at least move his own children out of harms' way?

              He did better for his kids than I did for mine, I'll give him that, even if it was a lot easier for him to do so.

              • bo bo

                You have a point, he's a good dad

                • NoNukes NoNukes

                  Well, he should let them stay in the Southern Hemisphere, maybe a boarding school in Kenya? Protect the girls and drive the birthers beserk.

                  • NoNukes NoNukes

                    Send Michelle with them for important work for women in Africa, then the press could have a field day with "A Presidential divorce?" Affair gossip, etc., they must be bored to tears with the "perfect family" narrative. Run out the clock.

                    I have so many good ideas.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      Michelle has already spent several lifetimes' worth of $$ on her expensive trips to Africa, along with her gigantic entourage. Paying her daughters to be her aides, indeed.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      The taxpayers are paying through the nose for Mrs. Obama's expensive vacations and lavish tastes. She's all too quick to wear dresses from Tar-gee to try and prove she's "one of us."

                      People forget or aren't aware she's a former corporate attorney. Many people just can't see past the fact she is black. Color blindness.

                      Not a jibe at you, NoNukes, I just think the Obamas have a lot of liberal Democrats and liberals bamboozled.

                  • nedlifromvermont

                    Kenya straddles the equator … I bought a soapstone bowl there, on the equator …

                    Maybe head for Zanzibar … oder der letzte Grund … a cute little book from my senior thesis topic … the works of Alfred Andersch

                    peace to the 'newsers!!

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    The US Nuclear Cabal wants Kenya's business.

                    Thus, Kenya has embarked on a programme to see the country generate 1 GW (1,000 MW) from Nuclear sources between 2020 – 2022. By 2030 Kenya is slated to have installed capacity of 4 GW of Nuclear energy, generating about 19% of Kenya's energy needs. Meaning that Nuclear Power will be the second largest source of energy in Kenya coming only second after Geothermal Energy which is also a clean form of energy.


                    The trip to Africa was a working vacation, even though he didn't go to Kenya. Too much controversy.
                    I think South Korea will get the export…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Boy, just think of the slave laborers that plant power will produce!

                      There has always been a method to all this madness…

                • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                  Better father than me as well considering my own kids who'd previously believed & respected or at least seriously considered anything related to their own survival that I'd taught or told them was worth MY weight in gold! All it took was the effective speech the sack of shit sold the public he'd already sold out to the corporate interests killing us more quickly than ever under his regime and my own offspring forgot everything including the common-sense I assumed was so ingrained into their being it could never be lost via "de-programming"(?)much less by a snake-charmer/politician who I'm now so ashamed to admit I'd voted for & believed might've turned out to be "good" for our country & it's people & perhaps those in other lands affected by US policies. πŸ™ What a rude awakening! I'll say this much-"even if 311 had never happened and other events in the Middle East, along with American domestic policy alone had allowed me to see through him and his agenda(s) without the pro-nuke aspect offering such a clear picture of WHO HE REALLY IS,I'd STILL get the creepy feeling that he's the exact opposite of what he claims to be and what he really stands for and I don't think those closest to him even KNOW who he IS and what he's capable of or intending to do before he's done?!! 😐 FTR, I'm as far removed from "conspiracy theorist",etc. as possible,although this President & the handling of 311 among other things has opened my mind to that terrifying…

              • many moons

                Maybe if you knew what Obama had known (if he had shared what he knew with the rest of us) you would have kept your children safe even if it meant sheltering in place, and definitely staying out of the rain.

                After Chernobyl Jane Pauley advised us all to stay inside if it looked like rain.

            • Au Au

              "The snails, slugs and worms, etc., don't seem to be doing too well here, either."

              Today on the radio I heard that the number of monarch butterflies is significantly low. Usually they show up, seasonally, at a specific mountain in Mexico. It's been decades since the count was so low.

          • He it totally complicit in covering up Fukushima, he rolled out the BP playbook and told Japan they have to use it, or they wont be able to restart reactors, and that would raise everyones cost of production and purchasing.

            He lied his ass off, and we got dosed.

          • PurpleRain PurpleRain

            Mairs, I'm so glad that you made the point of acknowledging the heavy-handed anti-Obama thing going on – on this site. It undermines the good science that is discussed here. Others really should stop the personal attacks on him and his family. Okay. I understand that some people find fault, but I'm pretty sure the Koch Brothers probably have some more heavy-handed direct ownership of all of these Energy/Nuke Companies/Fracking Interests.

        • Au Au

          NoNukes, agreed. Those girls are good geiger counters. I was reading this week how much Prince William loves Africa and he would like to spend a fair amount of time there. Is this priming his admirers for the move or prolonged vacations to his beloved Africa?

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            He was in the Southern Hemisphere during 3/11 and for some time afterward. Protecting the precious royal gene pool, IMO, as I've said before.

            • Au Au

              HoTaters, Mmm hmm too right. I was watching high profile people to see where they scampered off too with 3/11. He honeymooned south of the equator at the Seychelles located in the Indian Ocean and east of Africa.

              • bo bo

                Very interesting. Of course, just speculation… but you are right they might work as great Geiger counters… just speculation…

    • Dr. Edwin Lyman, Senior scientist with The Union of Concerned Scientists, doctorate in physics from Cornell U. and postdoctoral research associate at Princeton U. seems to be in direct disagreement with President Obama.

      Pres. Obama stated on March 17, 2011.
      "I want to be very clear. In the wake of Japanese nuclear crisis, …U.S. officials do not expect harmful levels of radiation to reach the West Coast of the continental U.S., HAWAII or Alaska."

      TV Special Report:

      Pres. Obama has 3 choices:

      1. Continue the lie… that Nuclear Power can be safe.
      (as in the past)

      2. Ignore the situation… that there are 3x out of control meltdowns.

      3. Tell the truth and advise mitigation…
      (possible future)

      Number 3 should have already happened!

  • jec jec

    Just like Obama did for the BP disaster..swam in water, thats for sure..just not out where the toxic chemicals were. His daughter too..but thats the last 'swimming' op I have seen with family.

    • Cisco Cisco


      To think that Obama didn't know the danger that 2 to 3 parts/billion of hydrocarbons and/or Corexit are absolute DNA/gene corrupters. He so smart he must have believed the BS he, his admin, and lapdog agencies were putting out. Or, his corporate benefactors had a gun to his head?

      He sacrificed his children, who I am sorry to say will pay a harsh price of their future health if they are not snuffed out by Fukushima first.


  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Can't enjoy the ocean, food, or air we breathe because of what a single nuclear plant did.

  • Don't forget about the Obama family trip to S America after the reactors blew:

    • bo bo

      Sweet memories…

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Thanks, eyechix. Then there was the following trip to South Africa June 2011.

      It was the same time that I ended up with a new autoimmune disease, granuloma annulare. The body attacks its own collagen, like it is trying to get rid of some toxin in the skin. Wish I went to the Southern Hemisphere instead.

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      That was his FIRST response to the nuclear aspect of 311! The CEO of TEPCO allegedly had some medical procedure scheduled in South America too while the 1st family was in the neighborhood instead of Hawaii as was planned. I remember early ENEWSER's remarked "what was wrong with Japanese medicine & facilities that were thought to be among the world's best"?!!in response to what will perhaps be known as the first damning piece of "Plumegate" evidence pointing to the fact that TPTB knew & KNOW how bad it was & WILL get following the world's 2nd largest nuclear facility of its kind going belly-up and all FUKuD-up! 😐 Fork it-I'm supposed to eat dinner soon at a friends and this issue & probably the effects of continual irradiation via it- ruined my appetite! "THEY"(literally)make me sick! πŸ™ I've been getting wound up again as I've been away from the computer for a couple days & there's ALWAYS new news from Fukushima and it's ALWAYS MORE BAD news as usual when I log in & get up to date on the foulness! πŸ™ I'm gonna go home soon and if I'm lucky I won't wake up…. still,I wish everyone else well just the same(almost everyone,that is πŸ˜‰ ) TAKE CARE ENEWSERS..BLADE OUT

      • rockyourworld

        if you're lucky you'll wake up hungry and cured. think positive.

        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          lol-I'm anything BUT "lucky" πŸ˜‰ Thanks for a chuckle & one of the better thoughts &/or suggestions I've had or received today though! πŸ™‚ Have a good night ryw. take care-me got's 2 get back to the hospice household now since I'm about the only one walking around & taking care of business today-not sure what's up over there,but I've felt better the further away I get from our "new" place and everyone else around here has felt crappy for at least a week(?) Who knows why,but my Geiger Counter has been screaming for extended periods about every other day lately too and it may not be Japanese radiation,but "closer to home" facility(s)/events responsible?! I hope things are ok out your way though. Take care πŸ™‚

  • rockyourworld

    2015? ha. more bad info. get out of the water now.

  • rockyourworld

    dont blame nuke plants. humans needed population control 40 years. too late!

  • rockyourworld

    40 years ago*

  • rockyourworld

    what a shame that people destroyed the animals environment

  • rockyourworld

    i dont see any evidence that the obama's would cut and run like the bush's and cheneys did on 9/11

  • rockyourworld

    no one stopped you from going to south america or south africa. you're free to leave anytime.

    • Au Au

      Ok, so Hawaii in 2015. Then California in 2016. Will there be an airborn wall of radiation all the way to Colorado by 2017. By 2018 will the wall of radiation be past the midwest? Is America going to be fried by 2019?

  • rockyourworld

    obama unlike bush would go down with the ship.

  • rockyourworld

    i will admit obama shouldve warned the uninformed but the info has been there since the begining for anyone concerned enough. all you had to do was google. if you were too busy texting, sexting, chatting, facebooking, tweeting, twerking, shopping or talking on the phone to care, why worry now?

  • rockyourworld

    fracking here is creating our own radioactive mess. if not fukushima it would be haliburtons new nuke frack technology. dropping nukes 7000 feet down right thru the springs. then drawing the mess back up and storing it in holding pools in a backard near you. till the nice privatized dumping co's could truck it away and dump the nuclear stew in the woods,rivers or streams. either way we were doomed. i know how much republicans prefer big american corp nuking us than japan, but you cant win them all.

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      From where I'm standing BOTH of the 2-parties are one & the same ESPECIALLY when it comes to doling out internal radiation to the masses! It's time for thinking AND VOTING "outside of the box" "IF we can survive whatever lay in store for us now that they REALLY FUKuD UP?!! They are BOTH bad for America and whoever has historically,loyally looked to American leadership for help & "answers"…Don't know much about 3rd Party candidates yet,but anybody better equipped to deal with Big Nuke and the "hotspots" where they've puked & willing to bitch slap those responsible or collusive re;the (ongoing)damage already done might also have enough common-sense to tackle some of the many other threatening issues the USA & indeed the world faces that administrations in the past 2-3 decades have obviously failed to handle well πŸ™ I wish I could find some reason to vigorously defend those entrusted with our country & our environment-but sadly their actions speak louder than their words or those who support them or "appear" to support TPTB for whatever reason(s) I won't elaborate on further even though cancers including my own have effectively removed "fear" from any of the reasons I might've refrained from calling it like it is previously & considering the problems people sickened since 3/11 & perhaps "too close" to me have been having while navigating the intertwined bureaucracies that have major impact on treatment,benefits & their odds of…

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        cont'd-survival & QOL if we do?!! (a "shitlist"?!)retribution for honesty & concern?! IDK? It's bogus as Hell though and I won't forget it either,even if my "expiration date" is at hand! Like my good friend recently said in response to the lame reaction by people we knew to MSM reports on the worsened situation at Fukushima NPP we'd shared on Facebook-"They don't believe nothing until an arm or a leg falls off"!! Many of them ARE falling apart healthwise right now and STILL they don't see/accept the "connection"?!! Oh well, at least I tried and I didn't give our crap CIC a free pass for his part either! Politics disgust me anyways-May Karma come back and bite TPTB in their ass! 😐

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    GE's, Tepco's and the world's nuclear braniacs are very accustomed to life at the beach: they've been going in for decades to swim in the Sea of Knowledge, and emerging completely dry.

  • rockyourworld

    both parties are the same, they both serve our shadow govt. nicely too.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      Yep , that shadow needs to be exposed , instead we always go after the puppet / midle man / fall guy and nothing changes..


  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    If i was Obama , i would have monthly meetings with Jill Stein and her people to consult , ask for advice and generally update my own "decisionmachine" aka brain , and in return that of my people.. or something like that..

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    If i was Obama , i would have frequent meetings with people like Jill Stein and her people , to consult , ask for advice and generally update/expand my own "decisionmachine" aka brain , and in return that of my people.. or something like that..
    Must be difficult with an economic education to see what a mess it creates , and how not to create it and still being a human at the same time..

  • Jebus Jebus

    Even a casual galnce at that plume simulation above shows the most concentrated parts of the plume at the West Coast before Hawaii catches the edge of the plume. Hawaii gets the full deluge on the return trip. More disinformation to stall the financial effects to the West Coast next spring. Your response is carefully and craftily being delayed…
    Some of that plume has already arrived. You have seen the suffering of the seals, fish and polar bears already. The very front edge is already lapping at our shores…
    We really need efforts from those who have the capability to test seawater, who are not on the payroll…

  • Jebus Jebus

    The Union of Concerned Scientists is not Anti-Nuclear, they just want safer nuclear.
    And they found a way to make a buck off of Fukushima…

    Sad… Fukushima exposure to the masses, for all the wrong reasons…


    About 7,500 songbirds, possibly including some endangered species, were killed while flying over a gas plant in Saint John late last week, officials have confirmed.

    It appears the migrating birds flew into the gas flare at Canaport LNG between Friday night and Saturday morning, said the company's health, safety, security and environmental manager.

    The birds were drawn to the flame like moths. They got burned as they circled around.

    The weather conditions were foggy and overcast at the time, which may have contributed to the incident.



  • Tracy W, thank Irving Oil for that. Instead of installing the necessary equipment to properly control the flow of natural gas, they simply burn the excess off. No need to spend money. They into allkinds of things. Worked for them once. A cheap company for sure. TepGov seems similar.

  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    TracyW, thank you for sharing that sad news. I know many who will be very upset to hear this news. Esp professional bird/nature photographers.